Re: Accreditation of all Paramedic Education Programs by 2013

[Guest guest]

oh?

then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

Caddy ambulances...

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 18:20:18 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

EMS is too young to have " history " .

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

>

> -Chris

>

>

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny

keyboard on my iPhone

>

>

>

>> It is a great day in EMS history.

>>

>> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited

by

>> January 1, 2013.

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>>

>> Jim<

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I have no problem with setting decent standards as a 'floor' that everyone

must attain to practice in a given position. I've made several suggestions

over the years to this end, and mostly got told that I was being

unreasonably demanding.

I was poking fun at my old comrade (and fellow refugee from Joisy) Lou

Molino at his comment about EMS being 'too young to have a history' by pulling

two items out of the historic discard pile.

Pulmotors were first used around 1911, and the first Cadillac Fleetwood

Hearses were used as ambulances starting a couple of decades later.

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 18:36:31 Central Daylight Time,

flightmedic1492@... writes:

What's wrong with actually making a standard for our profession? We are

professionals aren't we? At least we claim to be. We have issues with pay,

respect and making progress at times. How are we ever going to get where we

can be in our profession without standards? Just saying. Let's see what

comes out of this post. Enjoy!

Be safe out there and keep up the great work touching one life at a time!

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

Re: Accreditation of all Paramedic Education

Programs by 2013

oh?

then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

Caddy ambulances...

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 18:20:18 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

EMS is too young to have " history " .

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

>

> -Chris

>

>

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny

keyboard on my iPhone

>

>

>

>> It is a great day in EMS history.

>>

>> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited

by

>> January 1, 2013.

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>>

>> Jim<

>>

>>

>>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

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>>

[Guest guest]

not a bad idea, Rob...

Only problem I ever had with the Caddy rigs was that at 6' 1 " , I was a tad

big to do much besides hold the patient's hand, even with a 'popped

top'....which did make the ride worse...

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 18:43:02 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

> then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

> Caddy ambulances...

Well, if job satisfaction counts for anything, I have to say that the

Caddies were a Hell of a lot more fun than today's boxes! And the ride was a

lot better for the patient too. Seeing as transportation is the only

modality that we provide which is absolutely proven to improve outcomes,

perhaps

some focus should go back to that as a priority.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

Ed Zachary!

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 18:50:06 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

Based on most studies of the efficacy of much of what we do perhaps?

(tongue sort of in cheek).

[Guest guest]

what about the other five seals Happy, Doper, Moper, Loper, Coper and

? are they broken too?

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 18:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

OMG I agree with Rob . Surly the Sixth Seal has broken.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

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Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Oct 19, 2010, at 18:42, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

>> then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

>> Caddy ambulances...

>

> Well, if job satisfaction counts for anything, I have to say that the

Caddies were a Hell of a lot more fun than today's boxes! And the ride was a

lot better for the patient too. Seeing as transportation is the only

modality that we provide which is absolutely proven to improve outcomes,

perhaps some focus should go back to that as a priority.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

tell that to the folks who's houses burned down while the local FD stood by

and protected exposures...because the owners hadn't paid their FD service

fee on time!

I also know of some areas of the country where those 'service fees' are

treated the same as property taxes... including having the property sold at a

Sheriff's Auction for the payment of the back 'fees.'

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 19:06:57 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$ on

the fire side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Oct 19, 2010, at 19:00, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> This talk makes me wonder what was a more profitable side business for

EMS: Running transfers, funerals, or fighting fires. With all the

complaints about the lack of funding these days, perhaps we should choose our

part-time business more wisely.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

and a truly one stop shop for the patients who didn't survive the field

treatment....

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 19:13:14 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 19:06, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. "

lnmolino@...> said:

> Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$

on the fire

> side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

No doubt. But I'm talking about the income of the service, not the

individual members. And of the three choices, seems to me that the funeral

homes

were profiting more from their side-business than the others.

Point being that, when you think about it, we still have a lot to learn

from the old funeral home services. I sure don't ever remember any partner

celebrating " NO RIDE! " back in those days.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

not directly, but the outfit I worked for in Omaha was also the regional

distributor for Batesville Caskets, and we had two hearsemobiles...one for

long distance transports of stable patients (e.g., returns from the tertiary

care centers in Omaha to small towns across eastern Nebraska and western

Iowa), and one in full hearse livery that was used to pick up the most stable

patients from the hospitals and take them to the funeral homes.

In addition, during my time as an ME, my chief deputy was also the owner of

the biggest local funeral home, and, IIRC, a partner in the local private

ambulance company.

He was an *interesting* chap to talk to....full of stories about the times

when his hearses were the only vehicles around to transport the sick and

injured.

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 19:30:28 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

Chuck did you ever work for a funeral based services?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

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Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> and a truly one stop shop for the patients who didn't survive the field

> treatment....

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/10 19:13:14 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@... writes:

>

> On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 19:06, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. "

> lnmolino@...> said:

>

>> Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$

> on the fire

>> side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

>

> No doubt. But I'm talking about the income of the service, not the

> individual members. And of the three choices, seems to me that the

funeral homes

> were profiting more from their side-business than the others.

>

> Point being that, when you think about it, we still have a lot to learn

> from the old funeral home services. I sure don't ever remember any

partner

> celebrating " NO RIDE! " back in those days.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> It is a great day in EMS history.

>

> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited by

> January 1, 2013.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>

> Jim<

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> It is a great day in EMS history.

>

> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited by

> January 1, 2013.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>

> Jim<

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

EMS is too young to have " history " .

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

>

> -Chris

>

>

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on

my iPhone

>

>

>

>> It is a great day in EMS history.

>>

>> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited by

>> January 1, 2013.

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>>

>> Jim<

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

So are Microsoft and apple but they have lots of history

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Accreditation of all Paramedic Education Programs by

2013

EMS is too young to have " history " .

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

>

> -Chris

>

>

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on

my iPhone

>

>

>

>> It is a great day in EMS history.

>>

>> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited by

>> January 1, 2013.

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>>

>> Jim<

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

What's wrong with actually making a standard for our profession? We are

professionals aren't we? At least we claim to be. We have issues with pay,

respect and making progress at times. How are we ever going to get where we can

be in our profession without standards? Just saying. Let's see what comes out of

this post. Enjoy!

Be safe out there and keep up the great work touching one life at a time!

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

Re: Accreditation of all Paramedic Education Programs by

2013

oh?

then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

Caddy ambulances...

ck

In a message dated 10/19/10 18:20:18 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

EMS is too young to have " history " .

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

>

> -Chris

>

>

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny

keyboard on my iPhone

>

>

>

>> It is a great day in EMS history.

>>

>> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited

by

>> January 1, 2013.

>>

>> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>>

>> Jim<

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

> then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

> Caddy ambulances...

Well, if job satisfaction counts for anything, I have to say that the Caddies

were a Hell of a lot more fun than today's boxes! And the ride was a lot better

for the patient too. Seeing as transportation is the only modality that we

provide which is absolutely proven to improve outcomes, perhaps some focus

should go back to that as a priority.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Based on most studies of the efficacy of much of what we do perhaps? (tongue

sort of in cheek).

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> oh?

>

> then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

> Caddy ambulances...

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/10 18:20:18 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

> EMS is too young to have " history " .

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

> LNMolino@...

>

>

>

>> Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

>>

>> -Chris

>>

>>

>>

>> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny

> keyboard on my iPhone

>>

>>

>>

>>> It is a great day in EMS history.

>>>

>>> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited

> by

>>> January 1, 2013.

>>>

>>> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>>>

>>> Jim<

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

OMG I agree with Rob . Surly the Sixth Seal has broken.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Oct 19, 2010, at 18:42, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

>> then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

>> Caddy ambulances...

>

> Well, if job satisfaction counts for anything, I have to say that the Caddies

were a Hell of a lot more fun than today's boxes! And the ride was a lot better

for the patient too. Seeing as transportation is the only modality that we

provide which is absolutely proven to improve outcomes, perhaps some focus

should go back to that as a priority.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ever notice that if something was used in 1910 it was the Standard for decades

and today we change Standards seemingly weekly?

Things that make Ya go Hmmmm.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> I have no problem with setting decent standards as a 'floor' that everyone

> must attain to practice in a given position. I've made several suggestions

> over the years to this end, and mostly got told that I was being

> unreasonably demanding.

>

> I was poking fun at my old comrade (and fellow refugee from Joisy) Lou

> Molino at his comment about EMS being 'too young to have a history' by pulling

> two items out of the historic discard pile.

>

> Pulmotors were first used around 1911, and the first Cadillac Fleetwood

> Hearses were used as ambulances starting a couple of decades later.

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/10 18:36:31 Central Daylight Time,

> flightmedic1492@... writes:

>

> What's wrong with actually making a standard for our profession? We are

> professionals aren't we? At least we claim to be. We have issues with pay,

> respect and making progress at times. How are we ever going to get where we

> can be in our profession without standards? Just saying. Let's see what

> comes out of this post. Enjoy!

>

> Be safe out there and keep up the great work touching one life at a time!

>

> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

>

>

>

> Re: Accreditation of all Paramedic Education

> Programs by 2013

>

>

>

> oh?

>

>

>

> then we should still be using Pulmotor resuscitators and hearse bodied

>

> Caddy ambulances...

>

>

>

> ck

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/10 18:20:18 Central Daylight Time,

>

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

>

>

> EMS is too young to have " history " .

>

>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

>

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

>

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

>

> Please excuse any typos.

>

> (Cell)

>

> LNMolino@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> Oh no not this argument again I bow out before it starts

>

>>

>

>> -Chris

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny

>

> keyboard on my iPhone

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>> It is a great day in EMS history.

>

>>>

>

>>> Require that all Paramedic education programs be nationally accredited

>

>

> by

>

>>> January 1, 2013.

>

>>>

>

>>> http://tinyurl.com/27wutc9

>

>>>

>

>>> Jim<

>

>>>

>

>>>

>

>>>

>

>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>>>

>

>>>

>

>>>

>

>>> ------------------------------------

>

>>>

>

>>>

[Guest guest]

This talk makes me wonder what was a more profitable side business for EMS:

Running transfers, funerals, or fighting fires. With all the complaints about

the lack of funding these days, perhaps we should choose our part-time business

more wisely.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$ on the

fire side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Oct 19, 2010, at 19:00, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> This talk makes me wonder what was a more profitable side business for EMS:

Running transfers, funerals, or fighting fires. With all the complaints about

the lack of funding these days, perhaps we should choose our part-time business

more wisely.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 19:06, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

> Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$ on the

fire

> side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

No doubt. But I'm talking about the income of the service, not the individual

members. And of the three choices, seems to me that the funeral homes were

profiting more from their side-business than the others.

Point being that, when you think about it, we still have a lot to learn from the

old funeral home services. I sure don't ever remember any partner celebrating

" NO RIDE! " back in those days.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Sorry Doc but like everything in life there are times when Ya get what Ya pay

for... Or not.

Now I personally loathe the actions described below but I'm not a player in

those jurisdictions.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> tell that to the folks who's houses burned down while the local FD stood by

> and protected exposures...because the owners hadn't paid their FD service

> fee on time!

>

> I also know of some areas of the country where those 'service fees' are

> treated the same as property taxes... including having the property sold at a

> Sheriff's Auction for the payment of the back 'fees.'

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/10 19:06:57 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

> Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$ on

> the fire side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

> LNMolino@...

>

> On Oct 19, 2010, at 19:00, " rob.davis@... "

> rob.davis@...> wrote:

>

>> This talk makes me wonder what was a more profitable side business for

> EMS: Running transfers, funerals, or fighting fires. With all the

> complaints about the lack of funding these days, perhaps we should choose our

> part-time business more wisely.

>>

>> Rob

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

The other upside to the funeral biz is very few direct complaints from the prime

customer.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Oct 19, 2010, at 19:13, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 19:06, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$ on the

fire

>> side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

>

> No doubt. But I'm talking about the income of the service, not the individual

members. And of the three choices, seems to me that the funeral homes were

profiting more from their side-business than the others.

>

> Point being that, when you think about it, we still have a lot to learn from

the old funeral home services. I sure don't ever remember any partner

celebrating " NO RIDE! " back in those days.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chuck did you ever work for a funeral based services?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> and a truly one stop shop for the patients who didn't survive the field

> treatment....

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/10 19:13:14 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@... writes:

>

> On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 19:06, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. "

> lnmolino@...> said:

>

>> Well for the most part fire doesn't " bill " . And I've mad much more $$$

> on the fire

>> side than nearly every Medic I know so I've done ok in my choices.

>

> No doubt. But I'm talking about the income of the service, not the

> individual members. And of the three choices, seems to me that the funeral

homes

> were profiting more from their side-business than the others.

>

> Point being that, when you think about it, we still have a lot to learn

> from the old funeral home services. I sure don't ever remember any partner

> celebrating " NO RIDE! " back in those days.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

>

>

>