Re: Des, Some more thoughts

[Guest guest]

Thanks for saying that Joyce.

It's really propelled me through life. I encourage even those of you who

think they're too " old " to investigate some sort of martial art, even Tai Chi,

to

experience the tranquility of it.With your new-found flexibility and

elimination of the pain, you can only grow.

Most of my enjoyment comes from sharing what I've learned with teenagers, and

then learning from them in the process. They keep me youthful, hopefully

indefinitely.

Des

In a message dated 6/29/2004 6:34:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

sungold518@... writes:

Des, I so admire (is that the word?) the way what you write must reflect

upon the relationship you have with karate. I am very curious about things

that -- what? -- that move us along this journey and those things seem to

be so vividly, subtly, and wonderfully reflected in a mastering of the

self-discipline and " release " that must be integral to karate. I LOVE that

sort of reflection.

[Guest guest]

To: surfacehippy

Sent: 6/29/2004 9:29:21 PM

Subject: Re: Des, Some more thoughts

Des, I so admire (is that the word?) the way what you write must reflect

upon the relationship you have with karate. I am very curious about things

that -- what? -- that move us along this journey and those things seem to

be so vividly, subtly, and wonderfully reflected in a mastering of the

self-discipline and " release " that must be integral to karate. I LOVE that

sort of reflection. Joyce

sungold518@...

Re: Some thoughts

Well said, Joyce. The only time I take pain pills any more is when I get

hammered while doing karate - like on Sunday when I was kicked on the jaw.

I took

a couple of Aleve and it was fine. Luckily no tooth damage.

Des Tuck

P.S. It was my fault - (a) I didn't block; ( I taught him how to do that;

and © it was his revenge for me kicking him in the chest a few moments

before. The hips felt fine.

In a message dated 6/29/2004 4:57:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

sungold518@... writes:

As I read the posts from folks who are deliberating whether or not to go

ahead with the resurf surgery, I am moved to tell everyone how very glad I

am to of OFF of all of those pain controllers. My main pain med was

ibuprofen and I was, ultimately, taking 800 mgs, twice per day. I did that

for several years. It worked. I was constantly buying the stuff.

Constantly running out of the stuff. I ended up on Vicadin, but for years

it was ibuprofen. Do you all know how risky that is? I tended to think it

was " just aspirin (only different) " even though my family doc had fits when

she found out how much I was taking. Renal failure? Liver damage? AND I

was also taking Prilosec every day. Guess what? I hardly ever take a pain

pill these days and I don't have to take Prilosec. I'm sure my poor

filtering organs must be shuddering with relief that I've stopped

assaulting them and overworking them. And it just plain feels good to be

off of all of those pills. So, yeah -- a lot of us can literally hobble on

with the help of these meds, but I'm very glad not to be doing that

anymore.

[Guest guest]

I know the frustration. I couldn't get my own son to continue coming to

classes, but of course it's a different thing to learn from your dad and I

didn't

want to pressure him too much.

This is probably not a group topic so maybe we can continue the dialogue

directly if you want.

Des

In a message dated 6/30/2004 4:53:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

sungold518@... writes:

In my work as a family therapist, I have tried to get troubled teens to

sign up for karate classes. Unfortunately I've never gotten it to happen

-- for various reasons. But I have remained convinced that the experience

would somehow " shift " the teen in his/her floundering for a sense of self.

That it would help provide them with an " inner locus of control. "

Self-esteem, pride -- and humility. I bow to you in your work with teens.

[Guest guest]

In my work as a family therapist, I have tried to get troubled teens to

sign up for karate classes. Unfortunately I've never gotten it to happen

-- for various reasons. But I have remained convinced that the experience

would somehow " shift " the teen in his/her floundering for a sense of self.

That it would help provide them with an " inner locus of control. "

Self-esteem, pride -- and humility. I bow to you in your work with teens.

Joyce (Dr Gross, LHR, 2/2/04)

sungold518@...

Re: Des, Some more thoughts

Thanks for saying that Joyce.

It's really propelled me through life. I encourage even those of you who

think they're too " old " to investigate some sort of martial art, even Tai

Chi, to

experience the tranquility of it.With your new-found flexibility and

elimination of the pain, you can only grow.

Most of my enjoyment comes from sharing what I've learned with teenagers,

and

then learning from them in the process. They keep me youthful, hopefully

indefinitely.

Des

In a message dated 6/29/2004 6:34:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

sungold518@... writes:

Des, I so admire (is that the word?) the way what you write must reflect

upon the relationship you have with karate. I am very curious about things

that -- what? -- that move us along this journey and those things seem to

be so vividly, subtly, and wonderfully reflected in a mastering of the

self-discipline and " release " that must be integral to karate. I LOVE that

sort of reflection.

[Guest guest]

In my work as a family therapist, I have tried to get troubled teens to

sign up for karate classes. Unfortunately I've never gotten it to happen

-- for various reasons. But I have remained convinced that the experience

would somehow " shift " the teen in his/her floundering for a sense of self.

That it would help provide them with an " inner locus of control. "

Self-esteem, pride -- and humility. I bow to you in your work with teens.

Joyce (Dr Gross, LHR, 2/2/04)

sungold518@...

Re: Des, Some more thoughts

Thanks for saying that Joyce.

It's really propelled me through life. I encourage even those of you who

think they're too " old " to investigate some sort of martial art, even Tai

Chi, to

experience the tranquility of it.With your new-found flexibility and

elimination of the pain, you can only grow.

Most of my enjoyment comes from sharing what I've learned with teenagers,

and

then learning from them in the process. They keep me youthful, hopefully

indefinitely.

Des

In a message dated 6/29/2004 6:34:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

sungold518@... writes:

Des, I so admire (is that the word?) the way what you write must reflect

upon the relationship you have with karate. I am very curious about things

that -- what? -- that move us along this journey and those things seem to

be so vividly, subtly, and wonderfully reflected in a mastering of the

self-discipline and " release " that must be integral to karate. I LOVE that

sort of reflection.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/30/2004 6:58:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,

redace_us@... writes:

Understand you're a Bay Area guy, is this true?

Yup. I live in Palo Alto.

In another lifetime I studied Kenpo for a couple of years in San

Diego at one of the schools. At 55, I'm not sure I'm ready to

try anything like it again...but are there katas that might be useful

as rehab for people like me?

I don't know if you ever did Sanchin kata but it's totally isometric and a

great exercise you can do until your dying day. No kicks but good leg tensioning

and hip exercise. Goju Ryu is a circular style which emphasizes low kicking

so it's ok for geriatrics like us.

Do you have a dojo?

I have a small dojo where I teach teenagers but I'm also president of the US

branch of an international organization which has branches around California

and in other States.

Des

[Guest guest]

Methinks any mind activity involving give and take is therapeutically useful.

Karate is a bit violent and primitive but other martial arts like Tai Chi and

Aikido are great. Aikido is a little brutal for the brittle.

In a message dated 6/30/2004 8:18:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,

moneyhill@... writes:

Hey-I'm a family therapist too, but with older 65's and their families,

and in the UK. Hmm-mm-could karate be useful there too?

[Guest guest]

Des...

Understand you're a Bay Area guy, is this true?

In another lifetime I studied Kenpo for a couple of years in San

Diego at one of the schools. At 55, I'm not sure I'm ready to

try anything like it again...but are there katas that might be useful

as rehab for people like me? Do you have a dojo?

Alan

> I know the frustration. I couldn't get my own son to continue

coming to

> classes, but of course it's a different thing to learn from your

dad and I didn't

> want to pressure him too much.

>

> This is probably not a group topic so maybe we can continue the

dialogue

> directly if you want.

>

> Des

>

> In a message dated 6/30/2004 4:53:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> sungold518@e... writes:

> In my work as a family therapist, I have tried to get troubled

teens to

> sign up for karate classes. Unfortunately I've never gotten it to

happen

> -- for various reasons. But I have remained convinced that the

experience

> would somehow " shift " the teen in his/her floundering for a sense

of self.

> That it would help provide them with an " inner locus of control. "

> Self-esteem, pride -- and humility. I bow to you in your work with

teens.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Des...

Understand you're a Bay Area guy, is this true?

In another lifetime I studied Kenpo for a couple of years in San

Diego at one of the schools. At 55, I'm not sure I'm ready to

try anything like it again...but are there katas that might be useful

as rehab for people like me? Do you have a dojo?

Alan

> I know the frustration. I couldn't get my own son to continue

coming to

> classes, but of course it's a different thing to learn from your

dad and I didn't

> want to pressure him too much.

>

> This is probably not a group topic so maybe we can continue the

dialogue

> directly if you want.

>

> Des

>

> In a message dated 6/30/2004 4:53:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> sungold518@e... writes:

> In my work as a family therapist, I have tried to get troubled

teens to

> sign up for karate classes. Unfortunately I've never gotten it to

happen

> -- for various reasons. But I have remained convinced that the

experience

> would somehow " shift " the teen in his/her floundering for a sense

of self.

> That it would help provide them with an " inner locus of control. "

> Self-esteem, pride -- and humility. I bow to you in your work with

teens.

>

>

>