RE: Ambulance companies say Medicare bleeding them dry » Corpus Christi Caller-Times

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OK, I will have to agree with you on most of what you have posted. However, it

all has to do with where these people went to school for their EMT training. Do

the majority of the " assembly line " type schools teach EMTs about the things you

mentioned? No, and if they do, it's the small paragraph that might be in the

book. I'm not aware of any program that does an EVOC type training, but there

may be some out there that do. If so, good for them. When I was teaching EMT

programs full-time, yes my students were taught about driving and things that

you have mentioned. They were taught that running lights and siren was a

privilege, not a right.

The program director is the one responsible for what new EMTs are taught and if

they don't care, nor the people that they have teaching in their programs, then

who will care. Most are taught just enough to pass the NR Exam.

One thing that we have to remember is that some of these people are trainable,

once we get them on the box, and can be molded into they kind of EMT we want

them to be. But, for those that don't know anything except for dialysis, they

are not being exposed to different type of calls. We know that for the most

part, not much changes on these type of calls, so they can write the same thing

every time they see the same pt.

I would have to ask, what the Houston area programs are teaching either students

about driving or EMT training in general, or if they are just in it for the

money and to heck with the students, like some of the non-emergency transport

providers.

Wayne

> To: texasems-l

> From: ems_cougar@...

> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 20:23:17 -0800

> Subject: RE: Ambulance companies say Medicare bleeding them dry

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> Hmmmm...how do I answer this one.....I guess with just my honest feelings.

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> 90% of the EMT's I meet today, I do not consider them EMT's. They have no

experience beyond transporting dialysis patients, writing down a B/P off otf the

machine, maybe a pulse ox reading or a d-stick, and trained on how to write a

good narrative. That's about it.

> Run across an accident with people lying in the road that need medical

attention, I'd say 90% of the EMT's in Houston would freeze. They know nothing

about triage on a workable level, Never even HEARD of WMD,, would have NO clue

as to how to use the ERG book that is on the unit, have NO idea as to how to

actually drive an EMS unit....

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> I mean, what does it take to get an Emergency Ambulance Driver's Permit, in

the city of Houston?

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> Be a certified EMT (which contains NO driver education WHATSOEVER) Not been

convicted of a Felony in the past 7 years, have a half way decent driving

record, and 40.00 (oops....that just went up to 120.00) in your

pocket......thats IT.

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> WHO teaches today's EMT's 8 second lane changes, buffer spaces between you and

the vehicle in front of you, braking and acceleration techniques, Watching the

roadway ahead, and second guessing sudden stops, Keeping the truck bed level,

even during code 3 transport? No one. No one teaches that to today's EMT's.

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> Youngster EMTs gripe at me because I don't drive 20 MPH over the speed limit

at all times, even in non emergent transports, like they do. They have NO clue

what " center of gravity " even means, they want to drive the ambulance like it is

a corvette. (the people in the back suffer because of this, and in a wreck,

guess who usually dies....the medic.)

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> The ENTIRE system needs to be re-worked about training, and EVOC needs to be

done as part of the EMT Basic training.

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> Ok....that is my rant, I will step off the soap box now. As far as fraud

within the current companies go,......I welcome this crack down on the industry.

It hurts me, and my friends that do not deserve it, but the situation is out of

control, and is something that needs to be done. The good medics will survive.

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> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

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[Guest guest]

" Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. "

Maybe GETAC Education Committee should be looking at EMT training and not

Paramedic. Give the " educators " something to look at.

" Bag " a pt? You place them in bags now? I'm sure when you tell them to " bag "

they probably looked at you like, what are you talking about? Right.

wayne

> To: texasems-l

> From: airmedic51@...

> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:28:22 -0800

> Subject: RE: Ambulance companies say Medicare bleeding them dry

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> GEEZ, I work with some of these 'EMTs " that can't even bag a patient- AND WE

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[Guest guest]

" Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. "

Maybe GETAC Education Committee should be looking at EMT training and not

Paramedic. Give the " educators " something to look at.

" Bag " a pt? You place them in bags now? I'm sure when you tell them to " bag "

they probably looked at you like, what are you talking about? Right.

wayne

> To: texasems-l

> From: airmedic51@...

> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:28:22 -0800

> Subject: RE: Ambulance companies say Medicare bleeding them dry

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> GEEZ, I work with some of these 'EMTs " that can't even bag a patient- AND WE

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