Re: FW: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

December 2, 2010

They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It will

sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on the

spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

those icky family squabbles.

>

> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>

> Les

>

> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>

> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>

> Westlake Chemical

>

> P.O. Box 228

>

> 36045 LA 30

>

> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>

> e-Mail: lpowell@...

>

> Telephone:

>

> Fax:

>

> Cell: 225.439-6552

>

> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>

> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

> Abraham Lincoln

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: nemsma (AT) google [mailto:

> nemsma (AT) google ] On Behalf

> Of Mic Gunderson

> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

> To: nemsma (AT) google ;

> EMS_Research

> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>

> -------------------------------------

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

> adlines&emc=a29

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

> eadlines&emc=a29>

> December 1, 2010

> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>

> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>

> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

> transplant.

>

> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

> organs are unusable.

>

> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

> who would qualify as a donor.

>

> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

> out of sight.

>

> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

> give consent.

>

> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

> home or another residence.

>

> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>

> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

> organ preservation team arrived.

>

> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

> will be the next step, " he said.

>

> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>

> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>

> -------------------------------------

> --- Mic

>

> Mic Gunderson

> President, IPS

> PO Box 2128

> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>

> mic@...

mic@...>

>

> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

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> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing Companies "

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December 2, 2010

I'm curious as to what level of certification will the people on the harvesting

truck be at. I'm very afraid of what would happen if I turned to the medic next

to me and said, " I'm takin' a break. Would you grab his kidneys for me? " Though,

admittedly, he might find it enjoyable. Never know with these medic types

(joking!). Simultaneously, I'm not sure you could pay a doctor enough to go into

some patient's homes, gagging the whole way to him, and remove an organ or two.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It will

> sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on the

> spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

> those icky family squabbles.

>

>>

>> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>>

>> Les

>>

>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>>

>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>>

>> Westlake Chemical

>>

>> P.O. Box 228

>>

>> 36045 LA 30

>>

>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>>

>> e-Mail: lpowell@...

>>

>> Telephone:

>>

>> Fax:

>>

>> Cell: 225.439-6552

>>

>> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>>

>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>> Abraham Lincoln

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: nemsma (AT) google [mailto:

>> nemsma (AT) google ] On Behalf

>> Of Mic Gunderson

>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>> To: nemsma (AT) google ;

>> EMS_Research

>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

>> adlines&emc=a29

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

>> eadlines&emc=a29>

>> December 1, 2010

>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>>

>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>>

>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>> transplant.

>>

>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>> organs are unusable.

>>

>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>> who would qualify as a donor.

>>

>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

>> out of sight.

>>

>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

>> give consent.

>>

>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

>> home or another residence.

>>

>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

>> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>>

>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

>> organ preservation team arrived.

>>

>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

>> will be the next step, " he said.

>>

>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

>> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>>

>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> --- Mic

>>

>> Mic Gunderson

>> President, IPS

>> PO Box 2128

>> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>>

>> mic@...

mic@...>

>>

>> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

>>

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>> or it's members. Inappropriate use of this list should be reported to

>> the moderator.

>>

>> NEMSMA is a non-profit professional membership organization dedicated to

>> the improvement of EMS systems and EMS leadership regardless of system

>> model or size. Discover other great benefits of NEMSMA membership at

>> www.nemsma.org.

>>

>> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2010 *****

>>

>> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing Companies "

>> 2010 list. *****

>>

>> ***** Named to Forbes's " The Most Trustworthy Companies " 2010 List *****

>>

>> *

December 2, 2010

I'm curious as to what level of certification will the people on the harvesting

truck be at. I'm very afraid of what would happen if I turned to the medic next

to me and said, " I'm takin' a break. Would you grab his kidneys for me? " Though,

admittedly, he might find it enjoyable. Never know with these medic types

(joking!). Simultaneously, I'm not sure you could pay a doctor enough to go into

some patient's homes, gagging the whole way to him, and remove an organ or two.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It will

> sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on the

> spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

> those icky family squabbles.

>

>>

>> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>>

>> Les

>>

>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>>

>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>>

>> Westlake Chemical

>>

>> P.O. Box 228

>>

>> 36045 LA 30

>>

>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>>

>> e-Mail: lpowell@...

>>

>> Telephone:

>>

>> Fax:

>>

>> Cell: 225.439-6552

>>

>> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>>

>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>> Abraham Lincoln

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: nemsma (AT) google [mailto:

>> nemsma (AT) google ] On Behalf

>> Of Mic Gunderson

>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>> To: nemsma (AT) google ;

>> EMS_Research

>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

>> adlines&emc=a29

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

>> eadlines&emc=a29>

>> December 1, 2010

>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>>

>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>>

>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>> transplant.

>>

>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>> organs are unusable.

>>

>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>> who would qualify as a donor.

>>

>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

>> out of sight.

>>

>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

>> give consent.

>>

>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

>> home or another residence.

>>

>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

>> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>>

>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

>> organ preservation team arrived.

>>

>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

>> will be the next step, " he said.

>>

>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

>> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>>

>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> --- Mic

>>

>> Mic Gunderson

>> President, IPS

>> PO Box 2128

>> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>>

>> mic@...

mic@...>

>>

>> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

>>

>> --

>> You received this message because you are subscribed to NEMSMA Google

>> Group.

>>

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>>

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>> to promote the free exchange of ideas between leaders in emergency

>> medical services organizations. Opinions expressed on this list are the

>> those of the author and do not represent the official position of NEMSMA

>> or it's members. Inappropriate use of this list should be reported to

>> the moderator.

>>

>> NEMSMA is a non-profit professional membership organization dedicated to

>> the improvement of EMS systems and EMS leadership regardless of system

>> model or size. Discover other great benefits of NEMSMA membership at

>> www.nemsma.org.

>>

>> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2010 *****

>>

>> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing Companies "

>> 2010 list. *****

>>

>> ***** Named to Forbes's " The Most Trustworthy Companies " 2010 List *****

>>

>> *

December 2, 2010

I'm curious as to what level of certification will the people on the harvesting

truck be at. I'm very afraid of what would happen if I turned to the medic next

to me and said, " I'm takin' a break. Would you grab his kidneys for me? " Though,

admittedly, he might find it enjoyable. Never know with these medic types

(joking!). Simultaneously, I'm not sure you could pay a doctor enough to go into

some patient's homes, gagging the whole way to him, and remove an organ or two.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It will

> sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on the

> spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

> those icky family squabbles.

>

>>

>> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>>

>> Les

>>

>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>>

>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>>

>> Westlake Chemical

>>

>> P.O. Box 228

>>

>> 36045 LA 30

>>

>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>>

>> e-Mail: lpowell@...

>>

>> Telephone:

>>

>> Fax:

>>

>> Cell: 225.439-6552

>>

>> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>>

>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>> Abraham Lincoln

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>> From: nemsma (AT) google [mailto:

>> nemsma (AT) google ] On Behalf

>> Of Mic Gunderson

>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>> To: nemsma (AT) google ;

>> EMS_Research

>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

>> adlines&emc=a29

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

>> eadlines&emc=a29>

>> December 1, 2010

>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>>

>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>>

>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>> transplant.

>>

>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>> organs are unusable.

>>

>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>> who would qualify as a donor.

>>

>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

>> out of sight.

>>

>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

>> give consent.

>>

>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

>> home or another residence.

>>

>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

>> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>>

>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

>> organ preservation team arrived.

>>

>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

>> will be the next step, " he said.

>>

>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

>> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>>

>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>>

>> -------------------------------------

>> --- Mic

>>

>> Mic Gunderson

>> President, IPS

>> PO Box 2128

>> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>>

>> mic@...

mic@...>

>>

>> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

>>

>> --

>> You received this message because you are subscribed to NEMSMA Google

>> Group.

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>> to promote the free exchange of ideas between leaders in emergency

>> medical services organizations. Opinions expressed on this list are the

>> those of the author and do not represent the official position of NEMSMA

>> or it's members. Inappropriate use of this list should be reported to

>> the moderator.

>>

>> NEMSMA is a non-profit professional membership organization dedicated to

>> the improvement of EMS systems and EMS leadership regardless of system

>> model or size. Discover other great benefits of NEMSMA membership at

>> www.nemsma.org.

>>

>> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2010 *****

>>

>> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing Companies "

>> 2010 list. *****

>>

>> ***** Named to Forbes's " The Most Trustworthy Companies " 2010 List *****

>>

>> *

December 2, 2010

It's really nothing but cover for a soylent green operation conjured up by

Mike Bloomberg, Emeril Legasse and Bobby Flay. Just imagine the family's

back-slapping memories of watching Paw Paw having his liver hacked out on

the kitchen table!

>

> I'm curious as to what level of certification will the people on the

> harvesting truck be at. I'm very afraid of what would happen if I turned to

> the medic next to me and said, " I'm takin' a break. Would you grab his

> kidneys for me? " Though, admittedly, he might find it enjoyable. Never know

> with these medic types (joking!). Simultaneously, I'm not sure you could pay

> a doctor enough to go into some patient's homes, gagging the whole way to

> him, and remove an organ or two.

>

> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

> CPR Instructor

>

> > They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It

> will

> > sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on

> the

> > spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

> > those icky family squabbles.

> >

> > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:06 AM, , Les

lpowell@...>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

> >>

> >> Les

> >>

> >> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

> >>

> >> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

> >>

> >> Westlake Chemical

> >>

> >> P.O. Box 228

> >>

> >> 36045 LA 30

> >>

> >> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

> >>

> >> e-Mail: lpowell@...

40westlake.com>

>

> >>

> >> Telephone:

> >>

> >> Fax:

> >>

> >> Cell: 225.439-6552

> >>

> >> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

> >>

> >> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

> >> Abraham Lincoln

> >>

> >> ________________________________

> >>

> >> From: nemsma (AT) google

40googlegroups.com> [mailto:

> >> nemsma (AT) google

40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf

>

> >> Of Mic Gunderson

> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

> >> To: nemsma (AT) google

40googlegroups.com>;

> >> EMS_Research

40yahoogroups.com>

>

> >> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

> >>

> >> -------------------------------------

> >>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

> >> adlines&emc=a29

> >> <

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

> >> eadlines&emc=a29>

> >> December 1, 2010

> >> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

> >> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

> >> <

> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

> >> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

> >> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

> >> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

> >>

> >> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

> >> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

> >>

> >> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

> >> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

> >> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

> >> transplant.

> >>

> >> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

> >> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

> >> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

> >> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

> >> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

> >> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

> >> organs are unusable.

> >>

> >> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

> >> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

> >> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

> >> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

> >> who would qualify as a donor.

> >>

> >> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

> >> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

> >> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

> >> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

> >> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

> >> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

> >> out of sight.

> >>

> >> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

> >> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

> >> give consent.

> >>

> >> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

> >> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

> >> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

> >> home or another residence.

> >>

> >> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

> >> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

> >> be sure that there had been no foul play.

> >>

> >> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

> >> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

> >> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

> >> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

> >> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

> >> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

> >> organ preservation team arrived.

> >>

> >> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

> >> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

> >> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

> >> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

> >> will be the next step, " he said.

> >>

> >> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

> >> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

> >> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

> >> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

> >> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

> >>

> >> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

> >> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

> >> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

> >>

> >> -------------------------------------

> >> --- Mic

> >>

> >> Mic Gunderson

> >> President, IPS

> >> PO Box 2128

> >> Lakeland, Fl 33806

> >>

> >> mic@...

mic@... >

>

> >>

> >> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

> >>

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> >> Group.

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> >> those of the author and do not represent the official position of NEMSMA

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> >> the moderator.

> >>

> >> NEMSMA is a non-profit professional membership organization dedicated to

> >> the improvement of EMS systems and EMS leadership regardless of system

> >> model or size. Discover other great benefits of NEMSMA membership at

> >> www.nemsma.org.

> >>

> >> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2010 *****

> >>

> >> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing

> Companies "

> >> 2010 list. *****

> >>

> >> ***** Named to Forbes's " The Most Trustworthy Companies " 2010 List *****

> >>

> >> *

December 2, 2010

Oh, of course. Brings whole new meaning to " Kodak Moment " ...

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> It's really nothing but cover for a soylent green operation conjured up by

> Mike Bloomberg, Emeril Legasse and Bobby Flay. Just imagine the family's

> back-slapping memories of watching Paw Paw having his liver hacked out on

> the kitchen table!

>

>>

>> I'm curious as to what level of certification will the people on the

>> harvesting truck be at. I'm very afraid of what would happen if I turned to

>> the medic next to me and said, " I'm takin' a break. Would you grab his

>> kidneys for me? " Though, admittedly, he might find it enjoyable. Never know

>> with these medic types (joking!). Simultaneously, I'm not sure you could pay

>> a doctor enough to go into some patient's homes, gagging the whole way to

>> him, and remove an organ or two.

>>

>> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>> CPR Instructor

>>

>>> They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It

>> will

>>> sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on

>> the

>>> spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

>>> those icky family squabbles.

>>>

>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:06 AM, , Les

lpowell@...>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>>>>

>>>> Les

>>>>

>>>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>>>>

>>>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>>>>

>>>> Westlake Chemical

>>>>

>>>> P.O. Box 228

>>>>

>>>> 36045 LA 30

>>>>

>>>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>>>>

>>>> e-Mail: lpowell@...

> 40westlake.com>

>>

>>>>

>>>> Telephone:

>>>>

>>>> Fax:

>>>>

>>>> Cell: 225.439-6552

>>>>

>>>> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>>>>

>>>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>>>> Abraham Lincoln

>>>>

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>> From: nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com> [mailto:

>>>> nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf

>>

>>>> Of Mic Gunderson

>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>>>> To: nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com>;

>>>> EMS_Research

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>>

>>>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>>

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

>>>> adlines&emc=a29

>>>> <

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

>>>> eadlines&emc=a29>

>>>> December 1, 2010

>>>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>>>> <

>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>>>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>>>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>>>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>>>>

>>>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>>>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>>>>

>>>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>>>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>>>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>>>> transplant.

>>>>

>>>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>>>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

>>>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>>>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>>>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>>>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>>>> organs are unusable.

>>>>

>>>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>>>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>>>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>>>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>>>> who would qualify as a donor.

>>>>

>>>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>>>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

>>>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

>>>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

>>>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

>>>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

>>>> out of sight.

>>>>

>>>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

>>>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

>>>> give consent.

>>>>

>>>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

>>>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

>>>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

>>>> home or another residence.

>>>>

>>>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

>>>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

>>>> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>>>>

>>>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

>>>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

>>>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

>>>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

>>>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

>>>> organ preservation team arrived.

>>>>

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

>>>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

>>>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

>>>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

>>>> will be the next step, " he said.

>>>>

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

>>>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

>>>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

>>>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

>>>> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>>>>

>>>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

>>>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

>>>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>> --- Mic

>>>>

>>>> Mic Gunderson

>>>> President, IPS

>>>> PO Box 2128

>>>> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>>>>

>>>> mic@...

> mic@... >

>>

>>>>

>>>> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to NEMSMA Google

>>>> Group.

>>>>

>>>> To unsubscribe

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>>

>>>>

>>>> This listserver is provided by the National EMS Management Association

>>>> to promote the free exchange of ideas between leaders in emergency

>>>> medical services organizations. Opinions expressed on this list are the

>>>> those of the author and do not represent the official position of NEMSMA

>>>> or it's members. Inappropriate use of this list should be reported to

>>>> the moderator.

>>>>

>>>> NEMSMA is a non-profit professional membership organization dedicated to

>>>> the improvement of EMS systems and EMS leadership regardless of system

>>>> model or size. Discover other great benefits of NEMSMA membership at

>>>> www.nemsma.org.

>>>>

>>>> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2010 *****

>>>>

>>>> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing

>> Companies "

>>>> 2010 list. *****

>>>>

>>>> ***** Named to Forbes's " The Most Trustworthy Companies " 2010 List *****

>>>>

>>>> *

December 2, 2010

When we run a call and a 2nd unit arrives (for whatever reason), we are

always questioned as to " why " .

I just got this mental image of the 2nd unit arriving and people asking the

reason. It'd be like vultures, waiting. " Oh, them. They are the second

string just in case we aren't as successful as we'd like. "

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Alyssa Woods

Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:34 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: FW: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances

to Save Organs

Oh, of course. Brings whole new meaning to " Kodak Moment " ...

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> It's really nothing but cover for a soylent green operation conjured up by

> Mike Bloomberg, Emeril Legasse and Bobby Flay. Just imagine the family's

> back-slapping memories of watching Paw Paw having his liver hacked out on

> the kitchen table!

>

> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Alyssa Woods amwoods8644@...

> wrote:

>

>>

>> I'm curious as to what level of certification will the people on the

>> harvesting truck be at. I'm very afraid of what would happen if I turned

to

>> the medic next to me and said, " I'm takin' a break. Would you grab his

>> kidneys for me? " Though, admittedly, he might find it enjoyable. Never

know

>> with these medic types (joking!). Simultaneously, I'm not sure you could

pay

>> a doctor enough to go into some patient's homes, gagging the whole way to

>> him, and remove an organ or two.

>>

>> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>> CPR Instructor

>>

>>> They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It

>> will

>>> sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on

>> the

>>> spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

>>> those icky family squabbles.

>>>

>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:06 AM, , Les lpowell@...

>

>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>>>>

>>>> Les

>>>>

>>>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>>>>

>>>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>>>>

>>>> Westlake Chemical

>>>>

>>>> P.O. Box 228

>>>>

>>>> 36045 LA 30

>>>>

>>>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>>>>

>>>> e-Mail: lpowell@...

> 40westlake.com>

>>

>>>>

>>>> Telephone:

>>>>

>>>> Fax:

>>>>

>>>> Cell: 225.439-6552

>>>>

>>>> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>>>>

>>>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>>>> Abraham Lincoln

>>>>

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>> From: nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com> [mailto:

>>>> nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf

>>

>>>> Of Mic Gunderson

>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>>>> To: nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com>;

>>>> EMS_Research

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>>

>>>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>>

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe>

&nl=todayshe

>>>> adlines&emc=a29

>>>> <

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh>

&nl=todaysh

>>>> eadlines&emc=a29>

>>>> December 1, 2010

>>>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>>>> <

>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>>>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>>>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>>>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>>>>

>>>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>>>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>>>>

>>>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>>>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>>>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>>>> transplant.

>>>>

>>>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>>>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in

danger

>>>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>>>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>>>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>>>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>>>> organs are unusable.

>>>>

>>>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>>>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>>>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>>>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>>>> who would qualify as a donor.

>>>>

>>>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>>>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

>>>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

>>>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

>>>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

>>>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

>>>> out of sight.

>>>>

>>>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a

card,

>>>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

>>>> give consent.

>>>>

>>>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant,

is

>>>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to

midnight,

>>>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

>>>> home or another residence.

>>>>

>>>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

>>>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

>>>> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>>>>

>>>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

>>>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue

Hospital

>>>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought

it

>>>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

>>>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

>>>> organ preservation team arrived.

>>>>

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

>>>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

>>>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

>>>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

>>>> will be the next step, " he said.

>>>>

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case

during

>>>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

>>>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

>>>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

>>>> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>>>>

>>>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

>>>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

>>>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>> --- Mic

>>>>

>>>> Mic Gunderson

>>>> President, IPS

>>>> PO Box 2128

>>>> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>>>>

>>>> mic@...

>> mic@...

>

>>

>>>>

>>>> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to NEMSMA Google

>>>> Group.

>>>>

>>>> To unsubscribe mailto:nemsma-unsubscribe (AT) google

>>

>>>>

>>>> This listserver is provided by the National EMS Management Association

>>>> to promote the free exchange of ideas between leaders in emergency

>>>> medical services organizations. Opinions expressed on this list are the

>>>> those of the author and do not represent the official position of

NEMSMA

>>>> or it's members. Inappropriate use of this list should be reported to

>>>> the moderator.

>>>>

>>>> NEMSMA is a non-profit professional membership organization dedicated

to

>>>> the improvement of EMS systems and EMS leadership regardless of system

>>>> model or size. Discover other great benefits of NEMSMA membership at

>>>> www.nemsma.org.

>>>>

>>>> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2010 *****

>>>>

>>>> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing

>> Companies "

>>>> 2010 list. *****

>>>>

>>>> ***** Named to Forbes's " The Most Trustworthy Companies " 2010 List

*****

>>>>

>>>> *

December 2, 2010

It was my understanding this program was going to be like lifegift and not

involve a second 911 ambulance?

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> When we run a call and a 2nd unit arrives (for whatever reason), we are

> always questioned as to " why " .

>

> I just got this mental image of the 2nd unit arriving and people asking the

> reason. It'd be like vultures, waiting. " Oh, them. They are the second

> string just in case we aren't as successful as we'd like. "

>

> From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

> Behalf Of Alyssa Woods

> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:34 AM

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re: FW: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances

> to Save Organs

>

> Oh, of course. Brings whole new meaning to " Kodak Moment " ...

>

> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

> CPR Instructor

>

>> It's really nothing but cover for a soylent green operation conjured up by

>> Mike Bloomberg, Emeril Legasse and Bobby Flay. Just imagine the family's

>> back-slapping memories of watching Paw Paw having his liver hacked out on

>> the kitchen table!

>>

>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Alyssa Woods amwoods8644@...

> > wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> I'm curious as to what level of certification will the people on the

>>> harvesting truck be at. I'm very afraid of what would happen if I turned

> to

>>> the medic next to me and said, " I'm takin' a break. Would you grab his

>>> kidneys for me? " Though, admittedly, he might find it enjoyable. Never

> know

>>> with these medic types (joking!). Simultaneously, I'm not sure you could

> pay

>>> a doctor enough to go into some patient's homes, gagging the whole way to

>>> him, and remove an organ or two.

>>>

>>> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>>> CPR Instructor

>>>

>>>> They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck. It

>>> will

>>>> sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on

>>> the

>>>> spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off

>>>> those icky family squabbles.

>>>>

>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:06 AM, , Les lpowell@...

> >

>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>>>>>

>>>>> Les

>>>>>

>>>>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>>>>>

>>>>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>>>>>

>>>>> Westlake Chemical

>>>>>

>>>>> P.O. Box 228

>>>>>

>>>>> 36045 LA 30

>>>>>

>>>>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>>>>>

>>>>> e-Mail: lpowell@...

>

>> 40westlake.com>

>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Telephone:

>>>>>

>>>>> Fax:

>>>>>

>>>>> Cell: 225.439-6552

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>>>>>

>>>>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>>>>> Abraham Lincoln

>>>>>

>>>>> ________________________________

>>>>>

>>>>> From: nemsma (AT) google

>

>> 40googlegroups.com> [mailto:

>>>>> nemsma (AT) google

>

>> 40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf

>>>

>>>>> Of Mic Gunderson

>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>>>>> To: nemsma (AT) google

>

>> 40googlegroups.com>;

>>>>> EMS_Research

>

>> 40yahoogroups.com>

>>>

>>>>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>>>

>>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>>>

>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe>

> &nl=todayshe

>>>>> adlines&emc=a29

>>>>> <

>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh>

> &nl=todaysh

>>>>> eadlines&emc=a29>

>>>>> December 1, 2010

>>>>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>>>>> <

>>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>>>>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>>>>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>>>>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>>>>>

>>>>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>>>>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>>>>>

>>>>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>>>>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>>>>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>>>>> transplant.

>>>>>

>>>>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>>>>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in

> danger

>>>>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>>>>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>>>>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>>>>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>>>>> organs are unusable.

>>>>>

>>>>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>>>>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>>>>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>>>>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>>>>> who would qualify as a donor.

>>>>>

>>>>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>>>>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

>>>>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

>>>>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

>>>>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

>>>>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

>>>>> out of sight.

>>>>>

>>>>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a

> card,

>>>>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

>>>>> give consent.

>>>>>

>>>>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant,

> is

>>>>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to

> midnight,

>>>>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

>>>>> home or another residence.

>>>>>

>>>>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

>>>>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

>>>>> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>>>>>

>>>>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

>>>>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

>>>>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue

> Hospital

>>>>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought

> it

>>>>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

>>>>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

>>>>> organ preservation team arrived.

>>>>>

>>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

>>>>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

>>>>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

>>>>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

>>>>> will be the next step, " he said.

>>>>>

>>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case

> during

>>>>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

>>>>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

>>>>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

>>>>> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>>>>>

>>>>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

>>>>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

>>>>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>>>>>

>>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>>> --- Mic

>>>>>

>>>>> Mic Gunderson

>>>>> President, IPS

>>>>> PO Box 2128

>>>>> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>>>>>

>>>>> mic@...

>

>>> mic@...

> >

>>>

>>>>>

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December 2, 2010

Heard it on the 950 this morning.

I dont know how the laws are in NY, but in Texas, you or an immediate family

member have to give permission. Not totally sure, but do know that rules exist.

The City CANNOT just show up at an accident scene and harvest organs. It;s going

to be interesting to watch how they implement this.Â It would also wreak havoc

on the city's budget, if only 1 in 10 or so were approved. Im gonna cast my vote

that this will not work, unless people sign a donor agreement, and it is put in

the EMS database. BUT.......from what I heard, there will be people monitoring

the 911 dispatch calls, and if someone is in DANGER of dying, they will

automatically dispatch a second ambulance.

I say this one is going to be short lived. That's my guess.

Coug.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

Subject: FW: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save

Organs

To: apowell50@..., delee96@..., " Doguet, "

.Doguet@...>, " Bobby KNOWLES " bobby.knowles@...>, " Bobby

KNOWLES " bobby.knowles@...>, bluibuni@..., " Bloomer, "

kbloomer@...>, bbledsoe@..., bboudreaux3@...,

" Lyden, " clyden@...>, " Decoteau, Sally W. "

swdecoteau@...>, " Melancon, Dawn (Contractor) "

dmelancon@...>, darren.w.langlois@...,

foxfire51158@..., " Thorn, Greg " gthorn@...>, " Grayson "

Grayson902@...>, gautreaux412@..., " , Jimmy "

J@...>, " Khonsari, " kkhonsari@...>, " King,

Leo J. " ljking@...>, LNMolino@..., medicwes@...,

james.leblanc@..., newton_lodge_136@..., " Pamela Lane "

pamela.lane@...>, " Ron Bobo " Ron.Bobo@...>, sosquirly@...,

" Wickboldt, Tami " twickboldt@...>, vicki.henley@...,

" Hineman " williamhineman@...>

Cc: Paramedicine , texasems-l

Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:06 AM

Â

WOW! This is an interesting concept....

Les

NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

Westlake Chemical

P.O. Box 228

36045 LA 30

Geismar, LA 70734-0228

e-Mail: lpowell@...

Telephone:

Fax:

Cell: 225.439-6552

http://www.texasemsat.org/>

" Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

Abraham Lincoln

________________________________

From: nemsma (AT) google [mailto:nemsma (AT) google] On Behalf

Of Mic Gunderson

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

To: nemsma (AT) google; EMS_Research

Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

-------------------------------------

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

adlines&emc=a29

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

eadlines&emc=a29>

December 1, 2010

City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

transplant.

For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

organs are unusable.

City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

who would qualify as a donor.

To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

out of sight.

The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

give consent.

The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

home or another residence.

To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

be sure that there had been no foul play.

Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

" highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

organ preservation team arrived.

Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

" If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

will be the next step, " he said.

Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

delicate balance of treatment and consent.

In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

-------------------------------------

--- Mic

Mic Gunderson

President, IPS

PO Box 2128

Lakeland, Fl 33806

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I was taught that funeral homes used to run the ambulances. It turned out that

the funeral home was able to gain, if the patient did not survive. Therefore it

was a conflict of interest, and to the patient's disadvantage.Â If the City

runs both the ambulance and the harvesting truck, it is going to be the same

thing.

There are too many legalities for this plan to survive.

Coug.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>>>

>>>>

>>>> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>>>>

>>>> Les

>>>>

>>>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>>>>

>>>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>>>>

>>>> Westlake Chemical

>>>>

>>>> P.O. Box 228

>>>>

>>>> 36045 LA 30

>>>>

>>>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>>>>

>>>> e-Mail: lpowell@...

> 40westlake.com>

>>

>>>>

>>>> Telephone:

>>>>

>>>> Fax:

>>>>

>>>> Cell: 225.439-6552

>>>>

>>>> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>>>>

>>>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>>>> Abraham Lincoln

>>>>

>>>> ________________________________

>>>>

>>>> From: nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com> [mailto:

>>>> nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf

>>

>>>> Of Mic Gunderson

>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>>>> To: nemsma (AT) google

> 40googlegroups.com>;

>>>> EMS_Research

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>>

>>>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>>

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe>

&nl=todayshe

>>>> adlines&emc=a29

>>>> <

>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh>

&nl=todaysh

>>>> eadlines&emc=a29>

>>>> December 1, 2010

>>>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>>>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>>>> <

>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>>>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>>>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>>>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>>>>

>>>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>>>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>>>>

>>>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>>>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>>>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>>>> transplant.

>>>>

>>>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>>>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in

danger

>>>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>>>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>>>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>>>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>>>> organs are unusable.

>>>>

>>>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>>>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>>>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>>>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>>>> who would qualify as a donor.

>>>>

>>>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>>>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

>>>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

>>>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

>>>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

>>>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

>>>> out of sight.

>>>>

>>>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a

card,

>>>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

>>>> give consent.

>>>>

>>>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant,

is

>>>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to

midnight,

>>>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

>>>> home or another residence.

>>>>

>>>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

>>>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

>>>> be sure that there had been no foul play.

>>>>

>>>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

>>>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue

Hospital

>>>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought

it

>>>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

>>>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

>>>> organ preservation team arrived.

>>>>

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

>>>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

>>>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

>>>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

>>>> will be the next step, " he said.

>>>>

>>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case

during

>>>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

>>>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

>>>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

>>>> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

>>>>

>>>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

>>>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

>>>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

>>>>

>>>> -------------------------------------

>>>> --- Mic

>>>>

>>>> Mic Gunderson

>>>> President, IPS

>>>> PO Box 2128

>>>> Lakeland, Fl 33806

>>>>

>>>> mic@...

>> mic@...

>

>>

>>>>

>>>> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety>

>>>>

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>>>> those of the author and do not represent the official position of

NEMSMA

>>>> or it's members. Inappropriate use of this list should be reported to

>>>> the moderator.

>>>>

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to

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>>>> model or size. Discover other great benefits of NEMSMA membership at

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>>>>

>>>> ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " U.S. 500 Largest Manufacturing

>> Companies "

>>>> 2010 list. *****

>>>>

>>>> ***** Named to Forbes's " The Most Trustworthy Companies " 2010 List

*****

>>>>

>>>> *

December 2, 2010

Larry wrote: I wouldn't want to crew that bus. We rarely hear the term 'meat

wagon' anymore; this will do nothing but resurrect that ugly phrase.

Hmmm...I think I would prefer 'meat wagon' over 'bus', but that's just me.

Neil

Ambulance Driver

December 2, 2010

Ok, if I remember correctly when lifegift came and did their shpeal at our Dept.

Similar laws are in place here in Texas. All hospitals must registered with an

organ donation firm. Once a fatality was declared be it the hospital or in our

case in the field, the firm (in our case lifegift) then comes out and takes care

of the rest of the details; permission from family, harvest, etc. etc. Now we

(as EMS providers) did not change any of our protocols involving death in the

field or CPR we simply contacted our supervisor and they contacted lifegift,

they took it there. It was more a courtesy on our part to call lifegift rather

than a standing order. If other viable PTs. Were on the scene then we did not

worry about lifegift. Mr. Binkley can correct me if the details from my

memory are incorrect but I'm pretty sure that's how it was when I was still with

the Dept.

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> Heard it on the 950 this morning.

>

> I dont know how the laws are in NY, but in Texas, you or an immediate family

member have to give permission. Not totally sure, but do know that rules exist.

The City CANNOT just show up at an accident scene and harvest organs. It;s going

to be interesting to watch how they implement this. It would also wreak havoc

on the city's budget, if only 1 in 10 or so were approved. Im gonna cast my vote

that this will not work, unless people sign a donor agreement, and it is put in

the EMS database. BUT.......from what I heard, there will be people monitoring

the 911 dispatch calls, and if someone is in DANGER of dying, they will

automatically dispatch a second ambulance.

>

> I say this one is going to be short lived. That's my guess.

>

> Coug.

>

> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

> Subject: FW: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save

Organs

> To: apowell50@..., delee96@..., " Doguet, "

.Doguet@...>, " Bobby KNOWLES " bobby.knowles@...>, " Bobby

KNOWLES " bobby.knowles@...>, bluibuni@..., " Bloomer, "

kbloomer@...>, bbledsoe@..., bboudreaux3@...,

" Lyden, " clyden@...>, " Decoteau, Sally W. "

swdecoteau@...>, " Melancon, Dawn (Contractor) "

dmelancon@...>, darren.w.langlois@...,

foxfire51158@..., " Thorn, Greg " gthorn@...>, " Grayson "

Grayson902@...>, gautreaux412@..., " , Jimmy "

J@...>, " Khonsari, " kkhonsari@...>, " King,

Leo J. " ljking@...>, LNMolino@..., medicwes@...,

james.leblanc@..., newton_lodge_136@..., " Pamela Lane "

pamela.lane@...>, " Ron Bobo " Ron.Bobo@...>, sosquirly@...,

" Wickboldt, Tami " twickboldt@...>, vicki.henley@...,

> " Hineman " williamhineman@...>

> Cc: Paramedicine , texasems-l

> Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 8:06 AM

>

> WOW! This is an interesting concept....

>

> Les

>

> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>

> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>

> Westlake Chemical

>

> P.O. Box 228

>

> 36045 LA 30

>

> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>

> e-Mail: lpowell@...

>

> Telephone:

>

> Fax:

>

> Cell: 225.439-6552

>

> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>

> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

>

> Abraham Lincoln

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: nemsma (AT) google [mailto:nemsma (AT) google] On Behalf

>

> Of Mic Gunderson

>

> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00

>

> To: nemsma (AT) google; EMS_Research

>

> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>

> -------------------------------------

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe

>

> adlines&emc=a29

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh

>

> eadlines&emc=a29>

>

> December 1, 2010

>

> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs

>

> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS

>

> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha

>

> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per>

>

> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one

>

> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind.

>

> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will

>

> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails.

>

> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New

>

> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they

>

> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for

>

> transplant.

>

> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially

>

> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger

>

> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate

>

> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the

>

> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors

>

> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the

>

> organs are unusable.

>

> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the

>

> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in

>

> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical

>

> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for

>

> who would qualify as a donor.

>

> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of

>

> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to

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> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit

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> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop

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> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

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> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain

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> out of sight.

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> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card,

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> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to

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> give consent.

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> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is

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> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight,

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> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at

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> home or another residence.

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> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the

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> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to

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> be sure that there had been no foul play.

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> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

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> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.

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> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital

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> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it

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> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the

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> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and

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> organ preservation team arrived.

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> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to

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> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but

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> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that.

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> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that

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> will be the next step, " he said.

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> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during

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> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But

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> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted,

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> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a

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> delicate balance of treatment and consent.

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> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the

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> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ

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> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network.

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