Re: Avosoy/muscles

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Hey Edith! Just want to complement you on that outstanding summary!

WOW! You touched on all of the points that I had been thinking

of ...bananas/potassium, stretching, etc....Thank you! I think

you're going to be the valedictorian in your class! Susie in Memphis

In surfacehippy , " ecrow " wrote:

> Hi Joyce,

>

> In a possible vain effort to explain what I think I learnt about

muscles

> last weekend I will try here as it has some relevance to what is

bothering

> you........

>

> Firstly getting muscles going again has some dependance on the

starting

> state thereof. i.e. Your shoulder/arm muscles may be fairly fit

and okay so

> you can help move things about whereas the leg muscles are not

great and

> will react quite differently to levels of use. Apparently upper

muscles

> remain more generally fit than lower muscles which doesn't help

> either.......

>

> When we use a muscle anywhere in the body we do so by setting off a

chemical

> reaction which incidently is very calcium dependant........... When

we are

> talking muscles being forced to go beyond what that particular

muscle

> considers 'normal' right then - and the unfit 'normal' is different

from

> more mobile 'normal' so we are talking relatives here - we often

cause minor

> stress damage to said muscle....... That is responsible for the

> soreness............ that is chemical based too............. and

said

> soreness has something to do with the calcium leaking out through

the stress

> damage and creating mini havoc to the other cells...........

>

> The soreness

> goes when the cleanup cells have eliminated the leakage material,

repaired

> the damage etc.......... as I understand it potassium plays a big

role here

> and why bananas are often eaten by super athletes...........and

usually the

> repair job gives you a marginally stronger muscle, so you can use

it to

> that level without it getting sore again i.e. you will be able to

walk a

> tiny bit further without encountering soreness.

>

> Now in bodies such as mine where atrophy is rampant, i.e. normal is

pretty

> unfit.......... the actual blood vessels etc necessary to go in and

do the

> repairs etc are not necessarily working too well either.........

i.e. they

> have gone shrunken with lack of use........... So soreness doesn't

vanish

> as easily as it does in the relatively fitter.........

>

> Now at the same time if one stretches or massages said muscle you

apparently

> can force the calcium back into where it should be, aid to move

some now

> dead cells out into the blood stream, get more blood moving to site

etc and

> that is why stretching helps relieve the soreness...............

but of

> course even that happening is still going to be a little dependant

on how

> many well working clean up vessels are functioning in the

area..........

>

> The catch 22 of a human body is that this process seems to be how

muscles

> are built up.......... and that they will only build up if one keeps

> subjecting them to forces above what they are being maintained

at....... and

> to even keep them maintained we have to keep a certain level of

pressure on

> them with daily living, walking etc........... leave off that

pressure and

> muscles fairly quickly appear to decide to down tools.........

Anyone who

> teaches can probably think of this as kids working in a

class..........

> leave off the pressure and there isn't much left to call on by way

of

> cooperation.........

>

> When I first started using mine again I had a lot of funny weak

feelings,

> cramps etc...... With my little bit of maybe misguided knowledge I

would say

> that some of this is because the firing processes were not

adequate, the

> body had difficulties moving the necessary chemicals along channels

because

> of lack of use - so not enough was there for the amount of use I

wanted the

> muscles to do, and there wasn't enough healthy clean up channels

open and

> operating...... It sounds like at least some of your leg/lower

back muscles

> were in that atrophied state post op for them to be feeling weak,

cramping

> etc. now.

>

> Getting from that sort of state to a fairly normally operating

state takes

> time and some degree of patience........... I now can see that

doing it in

> gradual fashion is far better than rushing at it as well...........

which I

> was inclinded to do first off.......... For that tends to create

too much

> soreness, too much for the still not too well functioning clean up

brigade

> to handle - so too much soreness, stiffness etc for too

long.............. A

> bodies instinct is to rebuild but there are a heap of variables in

the rate

> as I now appreciate...........a major one being what you consider

normal and

> what I consider normal.......... i.e. are we talking getting sore

after a 3

> mile hike or sore after a half mile one etc.

>

> If that is any help whatever and if there are others who can

correct that

> please do so............. i.e. I need to pass this

course........smile.

>

> Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

>

>

> > & Alan -- thanks for the feedback. I see, on Dr Theo's

website,

> that

> > there is an Avosoy coming in August -- that also contains

chondrioton.

> > Isn't chondroiton the " repair " part of the formula?? Anyway,

I've order

> > more and cannot wait for it to get here. did you do any

sort of

> > stretching/exercise on your muscles or was this just not a

problem for

> you?

> > I swear, I get discouraged when I try walking and end up in such

a muscle

> > mess. My last project was helping a friend rebuild porch, deck,

and

> steps.

> > I didn't seize up at all. But walking? Everytime. And hints,

spells or

> > incantations you can suggest would be appreciated. Joyce (Dr

Gross, LHR,

> > 2/2/04)

> >

> > sungold518@e...

> >