Re: Activities after resurfacing

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In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

alex9inarow@... writes:

If very

sporty what levels were you able to get back to and how long did it

take to achieve the level.

Hi Will:

I've found a lot depends on what's in your head rather than what your body

can do for you. It also depends on how long you've been adapting to the

crippling effects of OA.

In my case, my pain began in about 1973, although it only became fairly

debilitating in about 1992. My first resurf was in Oct. 2001 and the second in

May,

2003.

After going back to karate, I've found I can do things I couldn't ever do

when I was 25 (I'm now 49) but it has more to do with what I've learned but

couldn't actually do pre-surgery because of the pain. Luckily I retained stuff

that

I really wanted to do.

If you've remained very active until a couple of years ago, and provided you

have a good surgical result and don't overdo it, you'll most probably improve

dramatically and quickly.

With those of us who have to fight the " learning curve " followed by our

bodies, it's different but always better.

About a year after my first resurf, my resurfed side was feeling great. Two

and a half years after the first, and almost a year after the second, the first

side feels even better and I'm hoping the second will feel that way in a

while, but I do have some remaining muscle issues that are taking their sweet

time.

Hope that isn't too cryptic. As Jeff always says, and I agree totally, your

mileage may vary.

Des Tuck

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In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

alex9inarow@... writes:

If very

sporty what levels were you able to get back to and how long did it

take to achieve the level.

Hi Will:

I've found a lot depends on what's in your head rather than what your body

can do for you. It also depends on how long you've been adapting to the

crippling effects of OA.

In my case, my pain began in about 1973, although it only became fairly

debilitating in about 1992. My first resurf was in Oct. 2001 and the second in

May,

2003.

After going back to karate, I've found I can do things I couldn't ever do

when I was 25 (I'm now 49) but it has more to do with what I've learned but

couldn't actually do pre-surgery because of the pain. Luckily I retained stuff

that

I really wanted to do.

If you've remained very active until a couple of years ago, and provided you

have a good surgical result and don't overdo it, you'll most probably improve

dramatically and quickly.

With those of us who have to fight the " learning curve " followed by our

bodies, it's different but always better.

About a year after my first resurf, my resurfed side was feeling great. Two

and a half years after the first, and almost a year after the second, the first

side feels even better and I'm hoping the second will feel that way in a

while, but I do have some remaining muscle issues that are taking their sweet

time.

Hope that isn't too cryptic. As Jeff always says, and I agree totally, your

mileage may vary.

Des Tuck

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In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:48:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,

mattosma@... writes:

I was wondering what

your " remaining muscle issues " are all about. I am hoping to get

resurfed in July '04 by Dr. Gross. I am (was) high-level racquetball

and basketball player up until 2001 because of pain and lack of ROM.

I had to stop running in 1999 for the same reasons. I would like to

get back most if not all of my previous loss. So I am interested in

knowing if your issues are related to pain, weakness, range of

motion, etc.?? I would be very interested in hearing about it.

I have muscle pain at the top front of the thigh just on the inside of the

midline. I take it from what I've heard that there are several muscles that kind

of ride over one another on their way up and down the thigh through the groin

area.

It hurts when I raise the thigh in front of me more than when I raise it to

the side. I can reduce the pain by pulling my hips backwards as I raise the

thigh in front of me, and am learning to do that when I execute a front kick.

I don't feel pain when I do a roundhouse or side kick unless I begin those

kicks by lifting the thigh in front of me.

There is no pain in the joint. My ROM is somewhat impaired in that I can't

bang my knee against my chest the way I used to while standing up, but I can

bend over on top of the thigh and touch the knee with my nose while my foot is

resting on a bench.

Strangely this bending is easier on the right side (painful side) than on the

left side which was my first resurf. Therefore there is more flexibility on

the first, less painful side, than on the second, more painful side. I think

this is a back issue rather than a joint issue.

Weakness is not a problem, except to the extent that I might choose to not do

something because it might hurt. But the good news is that the pain can be

avoided by proper movement. It's just difficult to think about moving all the

time, and I forget myself.

The better news is that it continues to improve.

I'd appreciate your feedback.

Des

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In a message dated 5/10/2004 4:12:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,

destuck@... writes:

Therefore there is more flexibility on

the first, less painful side, than on the second, more painful side. I think

this is a back issue rather than a joint issue.

Correction. I got this backwards. The painful side is more flexible, not less.

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In a message dated 5/10/2004 4:12:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,

destuck@... writes:

Therefore there is more flexibility on

the first, less painful side, than on the second, more painful side. I think

this is a back issue rather than a joint issue.

Correction. I got this backwards. The painful side is more flexible, not less.

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Plan on doing it, pace yourself, and it will be.

Des

In a message dated 5/10/2004 4:19:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,

alex9inarow@... writes:

I have

a son(18) who wants me to play football with him in a

local league. We shall see.

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> In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> alex9inarow@y... writes:

> If very

> sporty what levels were you able to get back to and how long did it

> take to achieve the level.

>

> Hi Will:

>

> I've found a lot depends on what's in your head rather than what

your body

> can do for you. It also depends on how long you've been adapting to

the

> crippling effects of OA.

>

> In my case, my pain began in about 1973, although it only became

fairly

> debilitating in about 1992. My first resurf was in Oct. 2001 and

the second in May,

> 2003.

>

> After going back to karate, I've found I can do things I couldn't

ever do

> when I was 25 (I'm now 49) but it has more to do with what I've

learned but

> couldn't actually do pre-surgery because of the pain. Luckily I

retained stuff that

> I really wanted to do.

>

> If you've remained very active until a couple of years ago, and

provided you

> have a good surgical result and don't overdo it, you'll most

probably improve

> dramatically and quickly.

>

> With those of us who have to fight the " learning curve " followed by

our

> bodies, it's different but always better.

>

> About a year after my first resurf, my resurfed side was feeling

great. Two

> and a half years after the first, and almost a year after the

second, the first

> side feels even better and I'm hoping the second will feel that way

in a

> while, but I do have some remaining muscle issues that are taking

their sweet

> time.

>

> Hope that isn't too cryptic. As Jeff always says, and I agree

totally, your

> mileage may vary.

>

> Des Tuck

Hi Des,

I appreciate your honesty and input. I was wondering what

your " remaining muscle issues " are all about. I am hoping to get

resurfed in July '04 by Dr. Gross. I am (was) high-level racquetball

and basketball player up until 2001 because of pain and lack of ROM.

I had to stop running in 1999 for the same reasons. I would like to

get back most if not all of my previous loss. So I am interested in

knowing if your issues are related to pain, weakness, range of

motion, etc.?? I would be very interested in hearing about it.

Thanks

Dr. Mark

>

>

>

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Hi Will:

I've found a lot depends on what's in your head rather

than what your body

can do for you. It also depends on how long you've

been adapting to the

crippling effects of OA.

In my case, my pain began in about 1973, although it

only became fairly

debilitating in about 1992. My first resurf was in

Oct. 2001 and the second in May,

2003.

After going back to karate, I've found I can do things

I couldn't ever do

when I was 25 (I'm now 49) but it has more to do with

what I've learned but

couldn't actually do pre-surgery because of the pain.

Luckily I retained stuff that

I really wanted to do.

If you've remained very active until a couple of years

ago, and provided you

have a good surgical result and don't overdo it,

you'll most probably improve

dramatically and quickly.

With those of us who have to fight the " learning

curve " followed by our

bodies, it's different but always better.

About a year after my first resurf, my resurfed side

was feeling great. Two

and a half years after the first, and almost a year

after the second, the first

side feels even better and I'm hoping the second will

feel that way in a

while, but I do have some remaining muscle issues that

are taking their sweet

time.

Hope that isn't too cryptic. As Jeff always says, and

I agree totally, your

mileage may vary.

Des Tuck

Hi Des

thanks for this. I am glad you are doing so well.

Hopefully my surgery is as succesful as yours. I have

a son(18) who wants me to play football with him in a

local league. We shall see. Thanks once again.

Will

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Hi Will:

I've found a lot depends on what's in your head rather

than what your body

can do for you. It also depends on how long you've

been adapting to the

crippling effects of OA.

In my case, my pain began in about 1973, although it

only became fairly

debilitating in about 1992. My first resurf was in

Oct. 2001 and the second in May,

2003.

After going back to karate, I've found I can do things

I couldn't ever do

when I was 25 (I'm now 49) but it has more to do with

what I've learned but

couldn't actually do pre-surgery because of the pain.

Luckily I retained stuff that

I really wanted to do.

If you've remained very active until a couple of years

ago, and provided you

have a good surgical result and don't overdo it,

you'll most probably improve

dramatically and quickly.

With those of us who have to fight the " learning

curve " followed by our

bodies, it's different but always better.

About a year after my first resurf, my resurfed side

was feeling great. Two

and a half years after the first, and almost a year

after the second, the first

side feels even better and I'm hoping the second will

feel that way in a

while, but I do have some remaining muscle issues that

are taking their sweet

time.

Hope that isn't too cryptic. As Jeff always says, and

I agree totally, your

mileage may vary.

Des Tuck

Hi Des

thanks for this. I am glad you are doing so well.

Hopefully my surgery is as succesful as yours. I have

a son(18) who wants me to play football with him in a

local league. We shall see. Thanks once again.

Will

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Ditto to Mark's request, Des. My groin is stiff as a board (wait,

let me rephrase that)...that is to say I can't lift my knee above 45

degrees, and it is my groin that seems to hurt the worst. 24 days

out of surgery is early to think about stretching, but I'm getting

nervous that things are getting " tighter " by being idle. Hoping to

be %100 some day. (Well, physically....mentally it may be too late).

Anybody's recollections of experiences with the start of PT

would be appreciated.

C+ 4-04

> > In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > alex9inarow@y... writes:

> > If very

> > sporty what levels were you able to get back to and how long did

it

> > take to achieve the level.

> >

> > Hi Will:

> >

> > I've found a lot depends on what's in your head rather than what

> your body

> > can do for you. It also depends on how long you've been adapting

to

> the

> > crippling effects of OA.

> >

> > In my case, my pain began in about 1973, although it only became

> fairly

> > debilitating in about 1992. My first resurf was in Oct. 2001 and

> the second in May,

> > 2003.

> >

> > After going back to karate, I've found I can do things I

couldn't

> ever do

> > when I was 25 (I'm now 49) but it has more to do with what I've

> learned but

> > couldn't actually do pre-surgery because of the pain. Luckily I

> retained stuff that

> > I really wanted to do.

> >

> > If you've remained very active until a couple of years ago, and

> provided you

> > have a good surgical result and don't overdo it, you'll most

> probably improve

> > dramatically and quickly.

> >

> > With those of us who have to fight the " learning curve " followed

by

> our

> > bodies, it's different but always better.

> >

> > About a year after my first resurf, my resurfed side was feeling

> great. Two

> > and a half years after the first, and almost a year after the

> second, the first

> > side feels even better and I'm hoping the second will feel that

way

> in a

> > while, but I do have some remaining muscle issues that are

taking

> their sweet

> > time.

> >

> > Hope that isn't too cryptic. As Jeff always says, and I agree

> totally, your

> > mileage may vary.

> >

> > Des Tuck

> Hi Des,

> I appreciate your honesty and input. I was wondering what

> your " remaining muscle issues " are all about. I am hoping to get

> resurfed in July '04 by Dr. Gross. I am (was) high-level

racquetball

> and basketball player up until 2001 because of pain and lack of

ROM.

> I had to stop running in 1999 for the same reasons. I would like

to

> get back most if not all of my previous loss. So I am interested

in

> knowing if your issues are related to pain, weakness, range of

> motion, etc.?? I would be very interested in hearing about it.

> Thanks

> Dr. Mark

> >

> >

> >

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> In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:48:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> mattosma@y... writes:

> I was wondering what

> your " remaining muscle issues " are all about. I am hoping to get

> resurfed in July '04 by Dr. Gross. I am (was) high-level

racquetball

> and basketball player up until 2001 because of pain and lack of

ROM.

> I had to stop running in 1999 for the same reasons. I would like

to

> get back most if not all of my previous loss. So I am interested

in

> knowing if your issues are related to pain, weakness, range of

> motion, etc.?? I would be very interested in hearing about it.

>

> I have muscle pain at the top front of the thigh just on the inside

of the

> midline. I take it from what I've heard that there are several

muscles that kind

> of ride over one another on their way up and down the thigh through

the groin

> area.

>

> It hurts when I raise the thigh in front of me more than when I

raise it to

> the side. I can reduce the pain by pulling my hips backwards as I

raise the

> thigh in front of me, and am learning to do that when I execute a

front kick.

>

> I don't feel pain when I do a roundhouse or side kick unless I

begin those

> kicks by lifting the thigh in front of me.

>

> There is no pain in the joint. My ROM is somewhat impaired in that

I can't

> bang my knee against my chest the way I used to while standing up,

but I can

> bend over on top of the thigh and touch the knee with my nose while

my foot is

> resting on a bench.

>

> Strangely this bending is easier on the right side (painful side)

than on the

> left side which was my first resurf. Therefore there is more

flexibility on

> the first, less painful side, than on the second, more painful

side. I think

> this is a back issue rather than a joint issue.

>

> Weakness is not a problem, except to the extent that I might choose

to not do

> something because it might hurt. But the good news is that the pain

can be

> avoided by proper movement. It's just difficult to think about

moving all the

> time, and I forget myself.

>

> The better news is that it continues to improve.

>

> I'd appreciate your feedback.

>

> Des

Hi Des,

Thanks for the response. It would appear that maybe the hip flexors

are the major part of the problem? In the absence of joint pain or a

loss of range of motion (which might indicate a problem with

positioning of the femoral cap and acetabular cup producing some

impingement on anterior flexion of the hip and leg)it may simply be a

lower back issue involving the psoas, or one of the predominant quads

with contribution of some of deep addcutors. If it continues to be a

problem one way to eliminate the joint itself as a source would be to

have an active dynamic xray demonstrating movement of the new joint

(basically you would perform ROM exercises under flouroscopy). What

does your OS think? Anyway good luck with and keep me up to date

with your progress.

Regards,

Dr. Mark

>

>

>

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> > > In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:13:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > alex9inarow@y... writes:

> > > If very

> > > sporty what levels were you able to get back to and how long

did

> it

> > > take to achieve the level.

> > >

> > > Hi Will:

> > >

> > > I've found a lot depends on what's in your head rather than

what

> > your body

> > > can do for you. It also depends on how long you've been

adapting

> to

> > the

> > > crippling effects of OA.

> > >

> > > In my case, my pain began in about 1973, although it only

became

> > fairly

> > > debilitating in about 1992. My first resurf was in Oct. 2001

and

> > the second in May,

> > > 2003.

> > >

> > > After going back to karate, I've found I can do things I

> couldn't

> > ever do

> > > when I was 25 (I'm now 49) but it has more to do with what I've

> > learned but

> > > couldn't actually do pre-surgery because of the pain. Luckily I

> > retained stuff that

> > > I really wanted to do.

> > >

> > > If you've remained very active until a couple of years ago, and

> > provided you

> > > have a good surgical result and don't overdo it, you'll most

> > probably improve

> > > dramatically and quickly.

> > >

> > > With those of us who have to fight the " learning curve "

followed

> by

> > our

> > > bodies, it's different but always better.

> > >

> > > About a year after my first resurf, my resurfed side was

feeling

> > great. Two

> > > and a half years after the first, and almost a year after the

> > second, the first

> > > side feels even better and I'm hoping the second will feel that

> way

> > in a

> > > while, but I do have some remaining muscle issues that are

> taking

> > their sweet

> > > time.

> > >

> > > Hope that isn't too cryptic. As Jeff always says, and I agree

> > totally, your

> > > mileage may vary.

> > >

> > > Des Tuck

> > Hi Des,

> > I appreciate your honesty and input. I was wondering what

> > your " remaining muscle issues " are all about. I am hoping to get

> > resurfed in July '04 by Dr. Gross. I am (was) high-level

> racquetball

> > and basketball player up until 2001 because of pain and lack of

> ROM.

> > I had to stop running in 1999 for the same reasons. I would like

> to

> > get back most if not all of my previous loss. So I am interested

> in

> > knowing if your issues are related to pain, weakness, range of

> > motion, etc.?? I would be very interested in hearing about it.

> > Thanks

> > Dr. Mark

> > >

> > >

> > >