re: CANNOT>> take it anymore ... I'm okay.

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In a message dated 6/27/2004 3:27:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tabby2@...

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> ALways know you are in our thoughts & prayers.

> BEtty

>

Thanks Betty,

Well, I discovered my Norvasc medication I took on the 25th made my

depression really bad. It gave me double vision. I had this reaction previously

but not

as bad. It has worn off not and I am back on the Internet :-D.

I got some good news about my late husband. I heard from an online VA person

or representative. I had sent two emails out in frustration last week. Well, I

got an answer. Seems there is a program called DIC where I can get something

from the government if Bill died of Lung cancer and was exposed to Agent

Orange in Vietnam. Well, he was there in Vietnam and all I need is the death

certificate. What is weird his dead certificate says he died of " natural

causes? "

That is weird??? Since when is Lung Cancer natural causes? I need to get this

changed!!

I am just amazed that Bill did not know this. But his PTSD was so bad I

suppose nothing was ever done. So, once I confirm that this online VA help is

legit

.... things look good since I cannot get out to them. :-D Caro.

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Hi Caro,

Good to hear you are doing better!

I just felt for commenting on one thing you wrote, about Bills death

certificate. I can understand that you don't feel that Bills Lung

Cancer is a " Natural Cause " (it will never feel " Natural " but

downright " Unfair " , " Tragic " and " Horrible " to lose a loved one), but

then again they are talking about the Cause of Death, in an

" objective way, from a medical point of view " which of course must be

quite bad since it actually caused a person to die... So then you can

turn it a bit around, and say that when a person after all died, it

is quite " Natural " that Lung Cancer caused it. I think that they by

" Natural Causes " mean that illness (as e.g. cancer) is natural as

opposed to e.g. somebody being a victim of homocide, appearant

injury, trauma, poisoning or something like that... It is after all

not that unnatural to die when you get an awful, terminal illness.

If you apply for a copy of somebody's death certificate, they ask

about the cause of death and have these categories to choose from:

Violently, Accidently, Suddenly, Natural Causes. If you were to fill

in that, you would have to choose " Natural Causes " , by that meaning

" Terminal Illness/Lung Cancer " (which is of course quite common, so

they mean by " Natural " that it is not " Unexplained " or " Unnatural "

as in violence, accidents or other forms of sudden death, which has

to be reported to the Coroner.

I hope this sheds a bit of light on this. I think that maybe you at

least should look into this by just asking your doctor (who have

knowledge about writing such death certificates) before you use any

of your precious energy on getting it changed.

By doing a quick web search for " natural causes death certificate " , I

did find some documents which, as I see it, suggest that what I say

above, is correct. I have pasted some below my sig line. If you want

more documentation, go to Google and type in what I mentioned above.

I can however mention that several of these documents do suggest

that they use more distinct causes than such generic terms as e.g.

" natural causes " , but it seems to me like it still is very common to

do this, but I don't know if you could get it changed. I would guess

that you have some documentation that states that he had terminal

lung cancer, and by also providing that in addition to the death

certificate, his precise cause of death should be quite apparent to

those that need that information.

Take care!

Aase Marit

The death certificate copy application form which I referred to above:

http://www.rgd.gov.jm/Online%20Applications/death%20certificate%20online%20appli\

cation%20form.htm

A document about death certificates for the elderly, with examples of

how it should be done to be more clear:

http://www.doh.wa.gov/ehsphl/chs/chs-data/Public/Elderly.pdf

From some project:

Ensuring That Natural Causes Are Evident

The Problem

Some cause of death statements -- even in conjunction with the format

for indicating the manner of death -- may not make it clear whether

death resulted from natural causes or from external conditions (such

as injury or poisoning).

The Remedy

The solution is to write a well-designed cause of death statement to

make it clear that the death is not due to external conditions, but

is, instead, due to natural causes.

>In a message dated 6/27/2004 3:27:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tabby2@...

>writes:

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>> ALways know you are in our thoughts & prayers.

>> BEtty

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>

>Thanks Betty,

>

>Well, I discovered my Norvasc medication I took on the 25th made my

>depression really bad. It gave me double vision. I had this reaction

>previously but not

>as bad. It has worn off not and I am back on the Internet :-D.

>

>I got some good news about my late husband. I heard from an online VA person

>or representative. I had sent two emails out in frustration last week. Well, I

>got an answer. Seems there is a program called DIC where I can get something

>from the government if Bill died of Lung cancer and was exposed to Agent

>Orange in Vietnam. Well, he was there in Vietnam and all I need is the death

>certificate. What is weird his dead certificate says he died of

> " natural causes? "

>That is weird??? Since when is Lung Cancer natural causes? I need to get this

>changed!!

>

>I am just amazed that Bill did not know this. But his PTSD was so bad I

>suppose nothing was ever done. So, once I confirm that this online

>VA help is legit

>... things look good since I cannot get out to them. :-D Caro.

>

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