Re: Say what? (WAS Re: FW: Oil Spill Operations) osha

[Guest guest]

an osha inspector is who told me that they have jurisdiction while we're tied to

dock and that they don't when we are not...

jim davis

> From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) _lnmolino@..._

(mailto:lnmolino@...) >

> Subject: Say what? (WAS Re: FW: Oil Spill Operations)

> To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:55 AM

>

>

> In a message dated 6/28/2010 11:29:25 A.M. Central Daylight

> Time,

> _bradsattler@..._ (mailto:bradsattler@...)

> writes:

>

> I don't understand how I'm " sounding a lawsuit

> alarm. " This is actually an

> interesting topic for me, because I can see the same

> issue coming up with

> FEMA deployments.

>

> Well I can see how someone might see your posts as " lawsuit

> alarmist "

> however that's another thread totally so I'll skip it.

>

> Just how do you see these issues from offshore where I

> admit the laws are

> as clear as mud to a FEMA deployment in the US and for the

> sake of argument

> assuming that they are properly requested through the EMAC

> systems in

> properly declared Stafford Act disaster?

>

> The compacts and federal law have dealt with these issues

> of scope of

> practice for well as long as I have been doing emergency

> management (mid 1980's)

> and in many cases they have very much improved upon those

> systems since

> Katrina and the other major storms of late?

>

> Apples and guavas isn't even close in this case.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire

> Protection Consultant

>

> _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

>

> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting

end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss

> events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat &

> reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

an osha inspector is who told me that they have jurisdiction while we're tied to

dock and that they don't when we are not...

jim davis

> From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) _lnmolino@..._

(mailto:lnmolino@...) >

> Subject: Say what? (WAS Re: FW: Oil Spill Operations)

> To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:55 AM

>

>

> In a message dated 6/28/2010 11:29:25 A.M. Central Daylight

> Time,

> _bradsattler@..._ (mailto:bradsattler@...)

> writes:

>

> I don't understand how I'm " sounding a lawsuit

> alarm. " This is actually an

> interesting topic for me, because I can see the same

> issue coming up with

> FEMA deployments.

>

> Well I can see how someone might see your posts as " lawsuit

> alarmist "

> however that's another thread totally so I'll skip it.

>

> Just how do you see these issues from offshore where I

> admit the laws are

> as clear as mud to a FEMA deployment in the US and for the

> sake of argument

> assuming that they are properly requested through the EMAC

> systems in

> properly declared Stafford Act disaster?

>

> The compacts and federal law have dealt with these issues

> of scope of

> practice for well as long as I have been doing emergency

> management (mid 1980's)

> and in many cases they have very much improved upon those

> systems since

> Katrina and the other major storms of late?

>

> Apples and guavas isn't even close in this case.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire

> Protection Consultant

>

> _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

>

> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting

end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss

> events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat &

> reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

for safety on the vessel yes

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 6/30/2010 7:19:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

james_dav_bmcg@... writes:

an osha inspector is who told me that they have jurisdiction while we're

tied to dock and that they don't when we are not...

jim davis

> From: __lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

(mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) __lnmolino@..._

(mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

(mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) >

> Subject: Say what? (WAS Re: FW: Oil Spill Operations)

> To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _

(mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) )

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:55 AM

>

>

> In a message dated 6/28/2010 11:29:25 A.M. Central Daylight

> Time,

> __bradsattler@..._ (mailto:_bradsattler@...) _

(mailto:_bradsattler@..._ (mailto:bradsattler@...) )

> writes:

>

> I don't understand how I'm " sounding a lawsuit

> alarm. " This is actually an

> interesting topic for me, because I can see the same

> issue coming up with

> FEMA deployments.

>

> Well I can see how someone might see your posts as " lawsuit

> alarmist "

> however that's another thread totally so I'll skip it.

>

> Just how do you see these issues from offshore where I

> admit the laws are

> as clear as mud to a FEMA deployment in the US and for the

> sake of argument

> assuming that they are properly requested through the EMAC

> systems in

> properly declared Stafford Act disaster?

>

> The compacts and federal law have dealt with these issues

> of scope of

> practice for well as long as I have been doing emergency

> management (mid 1980's)

> and in many cases they have very much improved upon those

> systems since

> Katrina and the other major storms of late?

>

> Apples and guavas isn't even close in this case.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire

> Protection Consultant

>

> __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _

(mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) )

>

> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting

end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss

> events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat &

> reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even if OSHA has a claim to any type of jurisdiction on a vessel on water

(I don't think they do either) it would not be in the area of how any one

practices medicine at any level. OSHA is only concerned with the safety and

health of the worker not of anyone being treated by an EMT or anyone else on

a clinic type barge operation as we have chatter here.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 8:45:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

abaustin+yahoogroups@... writes:

As I recall, OSHA doesn't have jurisdiction at any point on a maritime

vessel, tied up or not. They do have jurisdiction over Longshoremen though,

and if your riggers step ashore, then I think the entire operation becomes an

OSHA-thing. Of course, I've been told that it doesn't apply to ABs working

as riggers. To be completely forthright though on both counts, that is just

the general consensus about what I've been told, and while I've put work

into finding the official rules for a lot of things, most (like the

paramedic practice offshore) elude me, leading back to just 'best practices.'

One

of the nice things about best practices is that if safety can get involved

with planning rather then coming into it as an afterthought, you can get in

front of the problems. Most of the time I can not only find a more safe way

of completing an operation, but it usually is faster. (More expensive,

too, but 'fast, good, cheap: pick two' applies everywhere.)

Austin

> an osha inspector is who told me that they have jurisdiction while we're

tied to dock and that they don't when we are not...

>

> jim davis

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> From: __lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

(mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) __lnmolino@..._

(mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

>

> (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) >

>

>

>

>> Subject: Say what? (WAS Re: FW: Oil Spill Operations)

>

>

>

>> To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _

(mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) )

>

>

>

>> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:55 AM

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 6/28/2010 11:29:25 A.M. Central Daylight

>

>

>

>> Time,

>

>

>

>> __bradsattler@..._ (mailto:_bradsattler@...) _

(mailto:_bradsattler@..._ (mailto:bradsattler@...) )

>

>

>

>> writes:

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> I don't understand how I'm " sounding a lawsuit

>

>

>

>> alarm. " This is actually an

>

>

>

>> interesting topic for me, because I can see the same

>

>

>

>> issue coming up with

>

>

>

>> FEMA deployments.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Well I can see how someone might see your posts as " lawsuit

>

>

>

>> alarmist "

>

>

>

>> however that's another thread totally so I'll skip it.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Just how do you see these issues from offshore where I

>

>

>

>> admit the laws are

>

>

>

>> as clear as mud to a FEMA deployment in the US and for the

>

>

>

>> sake of argument

>

>

>

>> assuming that they are properly requested through the EMAC

>

>

>

>> systems in

>

>

>

>> properly declared Stafford Act disaster?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> The compacts and federal law have dealt with these issues

>

>

>

>> of scope of

>

>

>

>> practice for well as long as I have been doing emergency

>

>

>

>> management (mid 1980's)

>

>

>

>> and in many cases they have very much improved upon those

>

>

>

>> systems since

>

>

>

>> Katrina and the other major storms of late?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Apples and guavas isn't even close in this case.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>

>

>

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>

>

>

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire

>

>

>

>> Protection Consultant

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _

(mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) )

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting

>

> end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Cell Phone)

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss

>

>

>

>> events; Small minds

>

>

>

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat &

>

>

>

>> reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Even if OSHA has a claim to any type of jurisdiction on a vessel on water

(I don't think they do either) it would not be in the area of how any one

practices medicine at any level. OSHA is only concerned with the safety and

health of the worker not of anyone being treated by an EMT or anyone else on

a clinic type barge operation as we have chatter here.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 8:45:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

abaustin+yahoogroups@... writes:

As I recall, OSHA doesn't have jurisdiction at any point on a maritime

vessel, tied up or not. They do have jurisdiction over Longshoremen though,

and if your riggers step ashore, then I think the entire operation becomes an

OSHA-thing. Of course, I've been told that it doesn't apply to ABs working

as riggers. To be completely forthright though on both counts, that is just

the general consensus about what I've been told, and while I've put work

into finding the official rules for a lot of things, most (like the

paramedic practice offshore) elude me, leading back to just 'best practices.'

One

of the nice things about best practices is that if safety can get involved

with planning rather then coming into it as an afterthought, you can get in

front of the problems. Most of the time I can not only find a more safe way

of completing an operation, but it usually is faster. (More expensive,

too, but 'fast, good, cheap: pick two' applies everywhere.)

Austin

> an osha inspector is who told me that they have jurisdiction while we're

tied to dock and that they don't when we are not...

>

> jim davis

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> From: __lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

(mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) __lnmolino@..._

(mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

>

> (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) >

>

>

>

>> Subject: Say what? (WAS Re: FW: Oil Spill Operations)

>

>

>

>> To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _

(mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) )

>

>

>

>> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:55 AM

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 6/28/2010 11:29:25 A.M. Central Daylight

>

>

>

>> Time,

>

>

>

>> __bradsattler@..._ (mailto:_bradsattler@...) _

(mailto:_bradsattler@..._ (mailto:bradsattler@...) )

>

>

>

>> writes:

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> I don't understand how I'm " sounding a lawsuit

>

>

>

>> alarm. " This is actually an

>

>

>

>> interesting topic for me, because I can see the same

>

>

>

>> issue coming up with

>

>

>

>> FEMA deployments.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Well I can see how someone might see your posts as " lawsuit

>

>

>

>> alarmist "

>

>

>

>> however that's another thread totally so I'll skip it.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Just how do you see these issues from offshore where I

>

>

>

>> admit the laws are

>

>

>

>> as clear as mud to a FEMA deployment in the US and for the

>

>

>

>> sake of argument

>

>

>

>> assuming that they are properly requested through the EMAC

>

>

>

>> systems in

>

>

>

>> properly declared Stafford Act disaster?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> The compacts and federal law have dealt with these issues

>

>

>

>> of scope of

>

>

>

>> practice for well as long as I have been doing emergency

>

>

>

>> management (mid 1980's)

>

>

>

>> and in many cases they have very much improved upon those

>

>

>

>> systems since

>

>

>

>> Katrina and the other major storms of late?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Apples and guavas isn't even close in this case.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>

>

>

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>

>

>

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire

>

>

>

>> Protection Consultant

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _

(mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) )

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting

>

> end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Cell Phone)

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss

>

>

>

>> events; Small minds

>

>

>

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat &

>

>

>

>> reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

As I recall, OSHA doesn't have jurisdiction at any point on a maritime vessel,

tied up or not. They do have jurisdiction over Longshoremen though, and if your

riggers step ashore, then I think the entire operation becomes an OSHA-thing. Of

course, I've been told that it doesn't apply to ABs working as riggers. To be

completely forthright though on both counts, that is just the general consensus

about what I've been told, and while I've put work into finding the official

rules for a lot of things, most (like the paramedic practice offshore) elude me,

leading back to just 'best practices.' One of the nice things about best

practices is that if safety can get involved with planning rather then coming

into it as an afterthought, you can get in front of the problems. Most of the

time I can not only find a more safe way of completing an operation, but it

usually is faster. (More expensive, too, but 'fast, good, cheap: pick two'

applies everywhere.)

Austin

> an osha inspector is who told me that they have jurisdiction while we're tied

to dock and that they don't when we are not...

>

> jim davis

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) _lnmolino@..._

>

> (mailto:lnmolino@...) >

>

>

>

>> Subject: Say what? (WAS Re: FW: Oil Spill Operations)

>

>

>

>> To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

>

>

>

>> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:55 AM

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> In a message dated 6/28/2010 11:29:25 A.M. Central Daylight

>

>

>

>> Time,

>

>

>

>> _bradsattler@..._ (mailto:bradsattler@...)

>

>

>

>> writes:

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> I don't understand how I'm " sounding a lawsuit

>

>

>

>> alarm. " This is actually an

>

>

>

>> interesting topic for me, because I can see the same

>

>

>

>> issue coming up with

>

>

>

>> FEMA deployments.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Well I can see how someone might see your posts as " lawsuit

>

>

>

>> alarmist "

>

>

>

>> however that's another thread totally so I'll skip it.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Just how do you see these issues from offshore where I

>

>

>

>> admit the laws are

>

>

>

>> as clear as mud to a FEMA deployment in the US and for the

>

>

>

>> sake of argument

>

>

>

>> assuming that they are properly requested through the EMAC

>

>

>

>> systems in

>

>

>

>> properly declared Stafford Act disaster?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> The compacts and federal law have dealt with these issues

>

>

>

>> of scope of

>

>

>

>> practice for well as long as I have been doing emergency

>

>

>

>> management (mid 1980's)

>

>

>

>> and in many cases they have very much improved upon those

>

>

>

>> systems since

>

>

>

>> Katrina and the other major storms of late?

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Apples and guavas isn't even close in this case.

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>

>

>

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>

>

>

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire

>

>

>

>> Protection Consultant

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> begin_of_the_skype_highlighting

>

> end_of_the_skype_highlighting (Cell Phone)

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss

>

>

>

>> events; Small minds

>

>

>

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat &

>

>

>

>> reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>>

>

>

>

>> ------------------------------------

>

>

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>>

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