Re: This ought to bring some loons out (O/T)

May 26, 2010

True and there is specific authority in the hands of the Secret Service

should the White House itself or the immediate are be the target. DC is as was

said before a very unique situation other areas are a bit gray.

I would not want to be that guy with that choice.

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In a message dated 5/26/2010 2:36:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

bombmedic1051@... writes:

Shortly after 9/11, the authority to shoot down aircraft was placed in the

hands of regional Generals. There were specific criteria that had to be

met. For instance, the aircraft being on a trajectory that posed a direct

threat, such as being pointed at the ground, building, etc. That may have

changed over the years.

If anyone is interested, I have an audio file of a intercept warning here

in DFW that someone recorded.

Jeff

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Subject: Re: This ought to bring some loons out

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 9:50 AM

I didn't have an answer so I reached out to a friend of mine who is " in

the

know " on these things I take his answer as gold FWIW (my opinion of his

answer that is).

Here it is

The SOP is to try and contact the pilot and get them to turn around. If the

pilot is unreachable then the plane is escorted to a place where it can

land. If the plane continues towards a highly populated and/or restricted

airspace and fails to alter its course, the plane will be shot down.

Ideally, before it reaches a densely populated area would this occur.

We run into this problem on a regular basis here in DC where pilots stray

into highly restricted airspace. We have constant patrols with helicopters

that have 50 caliber machine guns and F-16's readily available at

Air

Force base. It's pretty cut and dry here in DC. The problem comes in for

cities that routinely have over flight by civilian or commercial aircraft.

By the time you recognize the harmful intent of an aircraft it might be too

late.

I have also asked him who has the authority to make the " shoot it down

call " ?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

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" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/25/2010 11:15:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_wegandy@..._ (mailto:wegandy@...) writes:

I have always wondered this, Louis.

Now and then (just the other day) we hear about some commercial airliner

with some nut on board who has made some sort of threat being escorted by

NORAD fighter aircraft.

Here's my question: What are the fighters supposed to do? Shoot the thing

down? Look in the windows and see whether the pilots fit the description

of

the real pilots? And if they're not? What?

Who can tell me the mission of the fighter aircraft?

GG

This ought to bring some loons out

PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. â€“ North American Aerospace Defense Command

will conduct exercise flights tomorrow, May 26 in the skies in the

vicinity

of Corpus Christi to San , Texas. The flights will take place in

the

late-morning, and people may hear and see NORAD fighter aircraft in close

proximity with DOD contracted general aviation aircraft as they practice

their intercept and identification procedures.

The exercise has been carefully planned and will be closely controlled to

ensure NORAD's rapid response capability.

NORAD has conducted exercise flights of this nature throughout the U.S.

and Canada since the start of Operation Noble Eagle, the command's

response

to the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001. Each exercise

flight utilizes a scenario to test NORAD's response, systems and

equipment.

Scenarios could include counter-drug operations, aircraft in distress,

aircraft defecting, hijacking, unknown aircraft, Dangerous Military

Activity,

Temporary Flight Restriction violation or airborne terrorist.

For more information about NORAD intercept procedures, please refer to

this Federal Aviation Administration link:

__http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/ATpubs/AIM/Chap5/aim0506.html_

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Since Sept. 11, 2001, NORAD fighters have responded to more than 3,300

possible air threats in Canada and the United States.

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discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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May 26, 2010

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hands of regional Generals. There were specificÂ criteria that had to be met.

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If anyone is interested, I have an audio file of a intercept warningÂ here in

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Jeff

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Subject: Re: This ought to bring some loons out

To: texasems-l

Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 9:50 AM

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