Re: FW: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to S ave Organs

[Guest guest]

Bob wrote: " They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck.

It will sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on

the

spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off those

icky family squabbles. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Since we are advancing 'modest

proposals'...

From the article: " ...The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain out of

sight. "

" Organ Preservation Unit " ? That's real subtle. Out of sight? That is like hiding

an elephant in a phone booth (yes, I am dating myself). Perhaps the unit should

be painted (Soylent) Green? Don't the Chinese have 'organ preservation units',

if even an iota of the rumors are true?

I wouldn't want to crew that bus. We rarely hear the term 'meat wagon' anymore;

this will do nothing but resurrect that ugly phrase.

Also from the article: " ...The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5

million federal grant, is limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4

p.m. to midnight, to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac

arrest at home or another residence.

.....Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.... "

At the risk of sounding Dr. Strangelove-esque, isn't this counter-productive?

Someone dying at home of cardiac arrest generally has systemic organ

deterioration and are not good candidates to be donors. Victims of violence are

statistically younger, in better health and make better donor candidates.

Don't take me wrong; I am a proponent for organ donation. However, there should

be a stronger public education program to encourage donors. As I see it, this

approach will be counter-productive due to stigma and adverse public perception.

Larry

(re)tired paramedic, educator

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[Guest guest]

Well, this might all be moot, because they might not even have a viable donor

during the study time. Obviously, the article seems to agree with me, as they

said it's more to test the protocol than anything. In my (admittedly limited)

experience, if they die at home, it's not noticed immediately. When it is

noticed immediately, resuscitation attempts are more likely to be successful.

Though, I suppose there might be some guy out there with a DNR who's STJ.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> Bob wrote: " They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck.

It will sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on

the

> spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off those

icky family squabbles. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Since we are advancing 'modest

proposals'...

>

> From the article: " ...The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and

white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain out of

sight. "

>

> " Organ Preservation Unit " ? That's real subtle. Out of sight? That is like

hiding an elephant in a phone booth (yes, I am dating myself). Perhaps the unit

should be painted (Soylent) Green? Don't the Chinese have 'organ preservation

units', if even an iota of the rumors are true?

>

> I wouldn't want to crew that bus. We rarely hear the term 'meat wagon'

anymore; this will do nothing but resurrect that ugly phrase.

>

> Also from the article: " ...The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5

million federal grant, is limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4

p.m. to midnight, to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac

arrest at home or another residence.

> ....Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.... "

>

> At the risk of sounding Dr. Strangelove-esque, isn't this counter-productive?

Someone dying at home of cardiac arrest generally has systemic organ

deterioration and are not good candidates to be donors. Victims of violence are

statistically younger, in better health and make better donor candidates.

> Don't take me wrong; I am a proponent for organ donation. However, there

should be a stronger public education program to encourage donors. As I see it,

this approach will be counter-productive due to stigma and adverse public

perception.

>

> Larry

> (re)tired paramedic, educator

> __________________________________________________________

> Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance

> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program

> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf7b7bca56bf4b4b5cst03vuc

>

>

[Guest guest]

In NYC the public won't slow down long enough to notice. They pay no attention

to ambulances as it is, so why would they pay attention to an organ preservation

unit? What's unclear to me is exactly what is going to happen on the unit. Are

they going to harvest the organs right there in the truck outside the residence?

Will this be the basis for a new reality show?

GG

Re: FW: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to S

ave Organs

Bob wrote: " They're now planning a third truck to follow the harvesting truck.

It will sell off the estate of the deceased so NYC can collect its death tax on

the

spot, thus saving time to taxation and probate costs, while staving off those

icky family squabbles. " ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Since we are advancing 'modest

proposals'...

From the article: " ...The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and white

ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain out of sight. "

" Organ Preservation Unit " ? That's real subtle. Out of sight? That is like hiding

an elephant in a phone booth (yes, I am dating myself). Perhaps the unit should

be painted (Soylent) Green? Don't the Chinese have 'organ preservation units',

if even an iota of the rumors are true?

I wouldn't want to crew that bus. We rarely hear the term 'meat wagon' anymore;

this will do nothing but resurrect that ugly phrase.

Also from the article: " ...The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5

million federal grant, is limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4

p.m. to midnight, to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac

arrest at home or another residence.

.....Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been

involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting.... "

At the risk of sounding Dr. Strangelove-esque, isn't this counter-productive?

Someone dying at home of cardiac arrest generally has systemic organ

deterioration and are not good candidates to be donors. Victims of violence are

statistically younger, in better health and make better donor candidates.

Don't take me wrong; I am a proponent for organ donation. However, there should

be a stronger public education program to encourage donors. As I see it, this

approach will be counter-productive due to stigma and adverse public perception.

Larry

(re)tired paramedic, educator

__________________________________________________________

Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance

If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program

http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf7b7bca56bf4b4b5cst03vuc