Re: Re: Helicopter EMS Re-Validated? never been wrong

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That's weird. My ex-wife would say that I've never been right.

james davis wrote:

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> I, personally, have never been wrong. Ask either of my ex-wives.

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> come on, you know that is funny...

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> jim davis

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> > > > > I have been waiting for someone to bring this issue up. I would

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> > > > > curious to investigate the order of Triage for all the patients

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> > > > > scene and at UMC. I also understand some patients went to

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> > > Northwest? Or

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> > > > > other hospitals?

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> > > > > Jodi

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> > > > > From: texasems-l

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> > > [mailto:texasems-l

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> > > > > Behalf Of Doc P

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> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 6:14 AM

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> > > > > To: texasems-l

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> > > > > Subject: Re: Helicopter EMS Re-Validated?

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> > > > > I might defend the use in this case due to the fact it was an MCI.

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> > > > > Depending on unit availability, distance, etc; calling staffed

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> > > > > HEMS might not be unreasonable. If it was just a single shooting

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> > > victim then

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> > > > > I would agree with you, Gene. You should also keep in mind ground

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> > > > > ingress/egress issues on this particular call. You very likely

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> > > > > people trying to leave the parking lot, police trying to keep

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> > > everyone there

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> > > > > for witness statements, etc.

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> > > > > Overall, HEMS is an overused resource. I don't know the best way

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> > > > > it. I don't think this is an obvious example though.

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> > > > > > Earlier tonight I drove the route from West Ina and North

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> > > Oracle, the

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> > > > > scene of the Giffords shooting, to University Medical Center

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> > > she was

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> > > > > taken. The distance is 8.7 miles. There are two left turns and

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> > > > > turns between the scene and the ambulance dock at UMC. I obeyed

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> > > > > laws, drove exactly the speed limit, and caught 6 red lights,

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> > > timed to

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> > > > > 60 seconds. Traffic was moderate, about what I would have

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> > > > > this morning in that area. My elapsed time was 16:07. If I had

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> > > > > operating Code 3, the Opticom system would have given me all

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> > > lights,

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> > > > > cutting at least 6 minutes off the trip. Tell me that a helo can

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> > > be on scene

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> > > > > and back at the hospital ready to unload in 10 minutes.

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> > > > > > The insane misuse of helicopter EMS in Tucson is not only

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> > > shocking for its

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> > > > > stupidity but cannot possibly contribute to patient outcomes.

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> > > > > people (the people who run Tucson Meds, the medical control

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> > > > > dispatches all helicopters and all ambulances in Pima County, be

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> > > thinking?

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> > > > > > I intend to find out. Stay tuned.

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> > > > > > GG

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