Guest guest Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 Ok......Iv'e been doing some thinking on this topic. Let's take in the account of how much it would cost to actually do this. It would not be just paramedics on the ambulance, there would have to be a surgeon to remove the organ. That surgeon would have to be paid for EVERY call, no matter whether he/she retrieved an organ or not. What.....are they gong to work on commission? The expense to even try this idea is going to be so astronomical, it's not funny. I know that in the long run, it costs about 200-300.00 just to send a BLS crew on a run. Wage for the crew, fuel, wear and tear on the vehicle, Insurance, etc...the list goes on. Now add a surgeon...and his/her professional liability costs. Factor that in with the legal complications, and......I say, NO. This plan is dead. GREAT IDEA.....Reality probability....Zero. Cougar!! I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> WOW! This is an interesting concept.... >>>> >>>> Les >>>> >>>> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF >>>> >>>> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief >>>> >>>> Westlake Chemical >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 228 >>>> >>>> 36045 LA 30 >>>> >>>> Geismar, LA 70734-0228 >>>> >>>> e-Mail: lpowell@... > 40westlake.com> >> >>>> >>>> Telephone: >>>> >>>> Fax: >>>> >>>> Cell: 225.439-6552 >>>> >>>> http://www.texasemsat.org/> >>>> >>>> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - >>>> Abraham Lincoln >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> From: nemsma (AT) google > 40googlegroups.com> [mailto: >>>> nemsma (AT) google > 40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf >> >>>> Of Mic Gunderson >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 09:00 >>>> To: nemsma (AT) google > 40googlegroups.com>; >>>> EMS_Research > 40yahoogroups.com> >> >>>> Subject: [NEMSMA] NY Times: City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todayshe> &nl=todayshe >>>> adlines&emc=a29 >>>> < >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/nyregion/01organ.html?_r=1&nl=todaysh> &nl=todaysh >>>> eadlines&emc=a29> >>>> December 1, 2010 >>>> City to Deploy Ambulances to Save Organs >>>> By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS >>>> < >> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/anemona_ha >>>> rtocollis/index.html?inline=nyt-per> >>>> Some 911 calls in Manhattan will now bring out two ambulances, one >>>> hurrying to the scene and one lagging slightly behind. >>>> >>>> The first one will try to save the patient's life. The second one will >>>> try to save the patient's kidneys, in case the first ambulance fails. >>>> >>>> After months of grappling with the ethical and legal implications, New >>>> York City medical officials are beginning to test a system that they >>>> hope will one day greatly increase the number of organs collected for >>>> transplant. >>>> >>>> For five months starting Wednesday, the city will deploy a specially >>>> trained team that will monitor 911 calls for people who may be in danger >>>> of dying, like those having a heart attack. If efforts to resuscitate >>>> the patient fail, the team will quickly move in and try to save the >>>> kidneys; normally, patients who die outside hospitals cannot be donors >>>> because if too much time passes after the heart stops beating, the >>>> organs are unusable. >>>> >>>> City officials said the project would be the first of its kind in the >>>> United States, though similar operations have been carried out in >>>> Europe. They said that they believed they had solved any ethical >>>> problems by adopting what they called very conservative standards for >>>> who would qualify as a donor. >>>> >>>> To overcome fears that patients would be allowed to die for the sake of >>>> their organs, officials said that doctors and paramedics trying to >>>> resuscitate a patient would not be told whether the preservation unit >>>> was waiting in the wings until a supervisor had given the order to stop >>>> rescue efforts. The organ team, which will travel in a bright red and >>>> white ambulance marked " Organ Preservation Unit, " is supposed to remain >>>> out of sight. >>>> >>>> The dead person would have to have registered as a donor through a card, >>>> driver's license or online registry, and the family would also have to >>>> give consent. >>>> >>>> The trial, which is being financed with a $1.5 million federal grant, is >>>> limited: to most areas of Manhattan, to the hours of 4 p.m. to midnight, >>>> to adults between 18 and 60, and to people who die of cardiac arrest at >>>> home or another residence. >>>> >>>> To satisfy concerns that evidence of a crime could be destroyed in the >>>> harvesting process, a police detective sergeant would go to the home to >>>> be sure that there had been no foul play. >>>> >>>> Officials said they would not harvest organs from anybody who had been >>>> involved in a crime scene, whether a poisoning or stabbing or shooting. >>>> Dr. Goldfrank, director of emergency services at Bellevue Hospital >>>> Center, a city hospital, said that in a case of foul play, he thought it >>>> " highly unlikely there will be a loved one or authorized person in the >>>> room calling in to 911 and still staying there " when the police and >>>> organ preservation team arrived. >>>> >>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he would like to see the program expanded to >>>> other types of deaths, perhaps even from car crashes or homicides, but >>>> that at this point, government agencies were reluctant to allow that. >>>> " If we prove that you can take the body and successfully do this, that >>>> will be the next step, " he said. >>>> >>>> Dr. Goldfrank said that he hoped there would be at least one case during >>>> the December-to-May trial period that would end with a transplant. But >>>> he and other officials said that even if no organs were transplanted, >>>> what they really wanted to test was the protocol, which required a >>>> delicate balance of treatment and consent. >>>> >>>> In 2009, about 7,600 people were waiting for an organ transplant in the >>>> greater New York City area, but there were only 285 deceased organ >>>> donors that year, according to the New York Organ Donor Network. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> --- Mic >>>> >>>> Mic Gunderson >>>> President, IPS >>>> PO Box 2128 >>>> Lakeland, Fl 33806 >>>> >>>> mic@... >> mic@... > >> >>>> >>>> www.onlineips.com/publicsafety http://www.onlineips.com/publicsafety> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to NEMSMA Google >>>> Group. >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe mailto:nemsma-unsubscribe (AT) google >> >> >>>> >>>> This listserver is provided by the National EMS Management Association >>>> to promote the free exchange of ideas between leaders in emergency >>>> medical services organizations. 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