Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Blurry vision, fatigue in the morning, temps tanking are signs that I get when my dose has gone too high and my adrenals can't take it. Any time I go over 3-3/4 grains I get adrenal issues and taking extra IsoCort does not help it go away - the fatigue and low temps much at all. It's interesting because when I was on less than 3 grains, taking IsoCort for the adrenal fatigue always helped. But, it does not help when my thyroid dose goes too high. I'm thinking your thyroid levels have crept up on you. It can take a month for a set dose that is only a tiny bit too high to creep up on you and cause mild hyper. Or, stress that overworks the adrenals can lead to mild hper symptoms by causeing thyroid to build up in the blood. Low adrenal with respect to thyroid causes body temps to drop like a rock. Anyway, any time I go the slightest over my best dose, I end up in front of the TV pooped, unable to move and drooling on myself. I generally feel quite bad, achy and not myself, and my temps become very irratic, usually very low in the morning and evenening after dinner. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Blurry vision, fatigue in the morning, temps tanking are signs that I get when my dose has gone too high and my adrenals can't take it. Any time I go over 3-3/4 grains I get adrenal issues and taking extra IsoCort does not help it go away - the fatigue and low temps much at all. It's interesting because when I was on less than 3 grains, taking IsoCort for the adrenal fatigue always helped. But, it does not help when my thyroid dose goes too high. I'm thinking your thyroid levels have crept up on you. It can take a month for a set dose that is only a tiny bit too high to creep up on you and cause mild hyper. Or, stress that overworks the adrenals can lead to mild hper symptoms by causeing thyroid to build up in the blood. Low adrenal with respect to thyroid causes body temps to drop like a rock. Anyway, any time I go the slightest over my best dose, I end up in front of the TV pooped, unable to move and drooling on myself. I generally feel quite bad, achy and not myself, and my temps become very irratic, usually very low in the morning and evenening after dinner. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Tish, I always appreciate your help I was on 3 1/2 grains for at least a month before these symptoms started 4 days ago. I only raised to 4 grains yesterday, I know I shouldn't increase half a grain at a time but my supplier didn't have any small sizes so it is difficult to cut these into quarter grains. Do you still think the 3 1/2 grains could have been too high even if I was taking it for a month? Lynda (in the UK) Re: downhill slide Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Blurry vision, fatigue in the morning, temps tanking are signs that I get when my dose has gone too high and my adrenals can't take it. Any time I go over 3-3/4 grains I get adrenal issues and taking extra IsoCort does not help it go away - the fatigue and low temps much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Tish, I always appreciate your help I was on 3 1/2 grains for at least a month before these symptoms started 4 days ago. I only raised to 4 grains yesterday, I know I shouldn't increase half a grain at a time but my supplier didn't have any small sizes so it is difficult to cut these into quarter grains. Do you still think the 3 1/2 grains could have been too high even if I was taking it for a month? Lynda (in the UK) Re: downhill slide Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Blurry vision, fatigue in the morning, temps tanking are signs that I get when my dose has gone too high and my adrenals can't take it. Any time I go over 3-3/4 grains I get adrenal issues and taking extra IsoCort does not help it go away - the fatigue and low temps much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Tish, I always appreciate your help I was on 3 1/2 grains for at least a month before these symptoms started 4 days ago. I only raised to 4 grains yesterday, I know I shouldn't increase half a grain at a time but my supplier didn't have any small sizes so it is difficult to cut these into quarter grains. Do you still think the 3 1/2 grains could have been too high even if I was taking it for a month? Lynda (in the UK) Re: downhill slide Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Blurry vision, fatigue in the morning, temps tanking are signs that I get when my dose has gone too high and my adrenals can't take it. Any time I go over 3-3/4 grains I get adrenal issues and taking extra IsoCort does not help it go away - the fatigue and low temps much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 In a message dated 2/18/2005 5:33:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroom@... writes: > You sound so much like me! I HATE being talked down to by any doctor hey...don't leave me out of this. I DESPISE being talked down to by a doctor...in fact it makes me so mad it takes me a couple of days to get over it. i usually get it out of my system by writing a letter to them explaining exactly how and why they were wrong about whatever it is they said...and enclosing additional information that they might like to study. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 In a message dated 2/18/2005 5:33:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroom@... writes: > You sound so much like me! I HATE being talked down to by any doctor hey...don't leave me out of this. I DESPISE being talked down to by a doctor...in fact it makes me so mad it takes me a couple of days to get over it. i usually get it out of my system by writing a letter to them explaining exactly how and why they were wrong about whatever it is they said...and enclosing additional information that they might like to study. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 In a message dated 2/18/2005 5:33:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroom@... writes: > You sound so much like me! I HATE being talked down to by any doctor hey...don't leave me out of this. I DESPISE being talked down to by a doctor...in fact it makes me so mad it takes me a couple of days to get over it. i usually get it out of my system by writing a letter to them explaining exactly how and why they were wrong about whatever it is they said...and enclosing additional information that they might like to study. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 when you have increased your dose too much and have hyper signs what is the best thing to do. Do you just drop back to your previous dose knowing that it will take awhile to get the excess out of you system, or do you drop even lower and then slowly raise it back up again Lynda (in the UK) Re: downhill slide Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 when you have increased your dose too much and have hyper signs what is the best thing to do. Do you just drop back to your previous dose knowing that it will take awhile to get the excess out of you system, or do you drop even lower and then slowly raise it back up again Lynda (in the UK) Re: downhill slide Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 when you have increased your dose too much and have hyper signs what is the best thing to do. Do you just drop back to your previous dose knowing that it will take awhile to get the excess out of you system, or do you drop even lower and then slowly raise it back up again Lynda (in the UK) Re: downhill slide Could it be you went too high with the thyroid and it is now stressing the adrenals too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Probably the only way to know is if when you increase your dose as you have done and it just makes you feel worse. That's what happens to me. The first time I went hyper after working myself up slowly past 3-1/2 grains, I didn't recognize what was happening to me. It just seemed my energy started to go down and I was doing a lot less, sitting a lot more. At 3-1/2 I felt great and so thought 4 would be even better. Not! I let it go for almost a month. Then, I asked my husband one day, " Do you think I'm slowing down and not feeling as good lately? " He said " You sure are. What's the matter? " Then, when I finally realized I was probably taking too much thyroid and dropped it down, it seemed to take quite a while for me to recover. I have made two more attempts to get up to 4 grains and both have had negative results on my energy and general well being. When I try to fix it with a little extra cortisone, it doesn't seem to help. Finally, I gave up and am at about 3-1/2 to 3-3/4 grains and have been there for quite a while. I have read other stories of people developing a kind of resistance to Armour and their doses creep up. You should know whether raising is going to help pretty quickly. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Probably the only way to know is if when you increase your dose as you have done and it just makes you feel worse. That's what happens to me. The first time I went hyper after working myself up slowly past 3-1/2 grains, I didn't recognize what was happening to me. It just seemed my energy started to go down and I was doing a lot less, sitting a lot more. At 3-1/2 I felt great and so thought 4 would be even better. Not! I let it go for almost a month. Then, I asked my husband one day, " Do you think I'm slowing down and not feeling as good lately? " He said " You sure are. What's the matter? " Then, when I finally realized I was probably taking too much thyroid and dropped it down, it seemed to take quite a while for me to recover. I have made two more attempts to get up to 4 grains and both have had negative results on my energy and general well being. When I try to fix it with a little extra cortisone, it doesn't seem to help. Finally, I gave up and am at about 3-1/2 to 3-3/4 grains and have been there for quite a while. I have read other stories of people developing a kind of resistance to Armour and their doses creep up. You should know whether raising is going to help pretty quickly. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Probably the only way to know is if when you increase your dose as you have done and it just makes you feel worse. That's what happens to me. The first time I went hyper after working myself up slowly past 3-1/2 grains, I didn't recognize what was happening to me. It just seemed my energy started to go down and I was doing a lot less, sitting a lot more. At 3-1/2 I felt great and so thought 4 would be even better. Not! I let it go for almost a month. Then, I asked my husband one day, " Do you think I'm slowing down and not feeling as good lately? " He said " You sure are. What's the matter? " Then, when I finally realized I was probably taking too much thyroid and dropped it down, it seemed to take quite a while for me to recover. I have made two more attempts to get up to 4 grains and both have had negative results on my energy and general well being. When I try to fix it with a little extra cortisone, it doesn't seem to help. Finally, I gave up and am at about 3-1/2 to 3-3/4 grains and have been there for quite a while. I have read other stories of people developing a kind of resistance to Armour and their doses creep up. You should know whether raising is going to help pretty quickly. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I usually can just stop all my thyroid meds for a day and get it all cleared out of the system. If my hyper is not to bad, I can correct it quickly by just missing a dose or two. I have a frie who needs a couple of days of not thyroid to get hers down. It depends on how hyper you are and how tolerant you are of being hyper. Some people can get lots of thyroid in the blood before they notice and feel bad enough to need to do something about it. I am very sensitive and can't get too hyper without crashing or feeling awful. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I usually can just stop all my thyroid meds for a day and get it all cleared out of the system. If my hyper is not to bad, I can correct it quickly by just missing a dose or two. I have a frie who needs a couple of days of not thyroid to get hers down. It depends on how hyper you are and how tolerant you are of being hyper. Some people can get lots of thyroid in the blood before they notice and feel bad enough to need to do something about it. I am very sensitive and can't get too hyper without crashing or feeling awful. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 ok, I think I'll try not taking any tomorrow. Just a thought about trying 3 1/4 grains, I have some time cap labs 1 grain tabs which Val and others believe are not the ame strength as armour. I am considering cutting those in half which technically would be half a grain but are probably nearer to a quarter armour. So I would take 3 grains armour and half a grain of tcl. What do you think? Val, do you think this would work? Lynda (in the UK) Re: downhill slide I usually can just stop all my thyroid meds for a day and get it all cleared out of the system. If my hyper is not to bad, I can correct it quickly by just missing a dose or two. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 In a message dated 2/18/2005 5:37:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@... writes: > This doctor treated me BETTER than ANY doctor I have > been to in years. He spent a full hour with me with no > interuptions. > then we are going to just have to forgive him for saying that " sticky " thing. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 In a message dated 2/18/2005 5:37:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@... writes: > This doctor treated me BETTER than ANY doctor I have > been to in years. He spent a full hour with me with no > interuptions. > then we are going to just have to forgive him for saying that " sticky " thing. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 talk about brain fog! I've just realised what is probably the cause of my itchy eyes and blurred vision. I went to the hairdresser yesterday and she used a different type of styler on my hair. This is most likely an allergic reaction, I don't why I didn't think of it before Lynda (in the UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 talk about brain fog! I've just realised what is probably the cause of my itchy eyes and blurred vision. I went to the hairdresser yesterday and she used a different type of styler on my hair. This is most likely an allergic reaction, I don't why I didn't think of it before Lynda (in the UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 >>he told me that Armour is a " sticky " drug and tends to build up very slowly in the system, therefore, it's easy to go slightly hyper as you get close to your optimal dose.<, I hate to burst your bubble, but I do not believe this. This is more " Damn Armour " rhetoric from an Endo. How the Hell can Armour build up more slowly than a T4 med? All it is is HORMONES not drugs, and most doctors that have tested these things extensively say 4-6 weeks it is at it's full strength. The ONLY thing different about Armour compared to Synthetics (besides the obvious that is is natural and not synthetic) is the CONTENT. It has the same T4 as a synthetic and the other hormones all the same ones your own body makes. Tell me, where does the Armour go after you take it and it is absorbed in your stomach that it isn't available for use yet? Don't buy this at all. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 >>he told me that Armour is a " sticky " drug and tends to build up very slowly in the system, therefore, it's easy to go slightly hyper as you get close to your optimal dose.<, I hate to burst your bubble, but I do not believe this. This is more " Damn Armour " rhetoric from an Endo. How the Hell can Armour build up more slowly than a T4 med? All it is is HORMONES not drugs, and most doctors that have tested these things extensively say 4-6 weeks it is at it's full strength. The ONLY thing different about Armour compared to Synthetics (besides the obvious that is is natural and not synthetic) is the CONTENT. It has the same T4 as a synthetic and the other hormones all the same ones your own body makes. Tell me, where does the Armour go after you take it and it is absorbed in your stomach that it isn't available for use yet? Don't buy this at all. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 >>he told me that Armour is a " sticky " drug and tends to build up very slowly in the system, therefore, it's easy to go slightly hyper as you get close to your optimal dose.<, I hate to burst your bubble, but I do not believe this. This is more " Damn Armour " rhetoric from an Endo. How the Hell can Armour build up more slowly than a T4 med? All it is is HORMONES not drugs, and most doctors that have tested these things extensively say 4-6 weeks it is at it's full strength. The ONLY thing different about Armour compared to Synthetics (besides the obvious that is is natural and not synthetic) is the CONTENT. It has the same T4 as a synthetic and the other hormones all the same ones your own body makes. Tell me, where does the Armour go after you take it and it is absorbed in your stomach that it isn't available for use yet? Don't buy this at all. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Kerry thanks for letting me know, I probably have gone slightly hyper but at least I now know that the problem with my eyes is an allergy from visiting the hairdresser yesterday Lynda (in the UK) Re: Re: downhill slide This is very interesting and really applies to me right now. I went and saw an awesome endo in Seattle yesterday. He came very highly recommended by the Washington State support group and my insurance covered him He gave me a full examination and medical history, spent an hour with me! Even let me voice my concerns about both my daughters and wants to see them also! When we talked about Armour, he told me that Armour is a " sticky " drug and tends to build up very slowly in the system, therefore, it's easy to go slightly hyper as you get close to your optimal dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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