Re: downhill slide

[Guest guest]

Kerry

thanks for letting me know, I probably have gone slightly hyper but at least I

now know that the problem with my eyes is an allergy from visiting the

hairdresser yesterday

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: downhill slide

This is very interesting and really applies to me right now.

I went and saw an awesome endo in Seattle yesterday. He came very highly

recommended by the Washington State support group and my insurance covered him

He gave me a full examination and medical history, spent an hour with me!

Even let me voice my concerns about both my daughters and wants to see them

also! When we talked about Armour, he told me that Armour is a " sticky " drug and

tends to build up very slowly in the system, therefore, it's easy to go slightly

hyper as you get close to your optimal dose.

[Guest guest]

Kerry

thanks for letting me know, I probably have gone slightly hyper but at least I

now know that the problem with my eyes is an allergy from visiting the

hairdresser yesterday

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Re: downhill slide

This is very interesting and really applies to me right now.

I went and saw an awesome endo in Seattle yesterday. He came very highly

recommended by the Washington State support group and my insurance covered him

He gave me a full examination and medical history, spent an hour with me!

Even let me voice my concerns about both my daughters and wants to see them

also! When we talked about Armour, he told me that Armour is a " sticky " drug and

tends to build up very slowly in the system, therefore, it's easy to go slightly

hyper as you get close to your optimal dose.

[Guest guest]

Give me a break! Sticky!!! I must object here. How does he back that

totally unscientific statement up? I had terrible joint and muscle

pain on 2 grains. I could hardly wear shoes with all the bursititis.

Then when I got to 3 grains, it all went away. It's not the T3

that's the problem, it's that the joints and muscles are not getting

enough energy and so cannot repair damage from wear and tear. Since

blood flow to joints is not a lot, they are the first to show sign

when thyroid is too low Or, it's due to low adrenal function, which

causes muscles to tighten up and become sore. This is because

without sufficient cortisol, muscles cannot get energy without

breaking down themselves and muscles will develop a lot of

inflammation.

Did he mention to you that Armour has been used very successfully

for over 100 years and has the longest history of safe and effective

use of any thyroid drug? Did he tell you that the first thyroid

patients lived to be 90 and 87 and were quite healthy most of their

lives? They started on natural thyroid in the late 1800s. Did he

tell you that Armour has a longer history of safe and effective use

than Synthroid? Did he mention that Synthroid has a longer history

of low potency and quality problems and that not one good long term

study has been done to prove that the relatively new Sythroid is

safe long term? Synthroid didn't even get FDA approval untill just a

few years ago.

Since all healthy people have 10 to 20% T3 in their blood, it's

amazing we all aren't stuck together and dead from it. I suppose all

healthy people are hyperthyroid from that nasty T3 in their systems.

I would run from this guy so fast. I run from anybody who uses terms

like " Sticky. " I get worked up over assinine comments liek that that

doctors use when they can't say anything intellegent to get the

patient to do what they want with grown up talk.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Give me a break! Sticky!!! I must object here. How does he back that

totally unscientific statement up? I had terrible joint and muscle

pain on 2 grains. I could hardly wear shoes with all the bursititis.

Then when I got to 3 grains, it all went away. It's not the T3

that's the problem, it's that the joints and muscles are not getting

enough energy and so cannot repair damage from wear and tear. Since

blood flow to joints is not a lot, they are the first to show sign

when thyroid is too low Or, it's due to low adrenal function, which

causes muscles to tighten up and become sore. This is because

without sufficient cortisol, muscles cannot get energy without

breaking down themselves and muscles will develop a lot of

inflammation.

Did he mention to you that Armour has been used very successfully

for over 100 years and has the longest history of safe and effective

use of any thyroid drug? Did he tell you that the first thyroid

patients lived to be 90 and 87 and were quite healthy most of their

lives? They started on natural thyroid in the late 1800s. Did he

tell you that Armour has a longer history of safe and effective use

than Synthroid? Did he mention that Synthroid has a longer history

of low potency and quality problems and that not one good long term

study has been done to prove that the relatively new Sythroid is

safe long term? Synthroid didn't even get FDA approval untill just a

few years ago.

Since all healthy people have 10 to 20% T3 in their blood, it's

amazing we all aren't stuck together and dead from it. I suppose all

healthy people are hyperthyroid from that nasty T3 in their systems.

I would run from this guy so fast. I run from anybody who uses terms

like " Sticky. " I get worked up over assinine comments liek that that

doctors use when they can't say anything intellegent to get the

patient to do what they want with grown up talk.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Give me a break! Sticky!!! I must object here. How does he back that

totally unscientific statement up? I had terrible joint and muscle

pain on 2 grains. I could hardly wear shoes with all the bursititis.

Then when I got to 3 grains, it all went away. It's not the T3

that's the problem, it's that the joints and muscles are not getting

enough energy and so cannot repair damage from wear and tear. Since

blood flow to joints is not a lot, they are the first to show sign

when thyroid is too low Or, it's due to low adrenal function, which

causes muscles to tighten up and become sore. This is because

without sufficient cortisol, muscles cannot get energy without

breaking down themselves and muscles will develop a lot of

inflammation.

Did he mention to you that Armour has been used very successfully

for over 100 years and has the longest history of safe and effective

use of any thyroid drug? Did he tell you that the first thyroid

patients lived to be 90 and 87 and were quite healthy most of their

lives? They started on natural thyroid in the late 1800s. Did he

tell you that Armour has a longer history of safe and effective use

than Synthroid? Did he mention that Synthroid has a longer history

of low potency and quality problems and that not one good long term

study has been done to prove that the relatively new Sythroid is

safe long term? Synthroid didn't even get FDA approval untill just a

few years ago.

Since all healthy people have 10 to 20% T3 in their blood, it's

amazing we all aren't stuck together and dead from it. I suppose all

healthy people are hyperthyroid from that nasty T3 in their systems.

I would run from this guy so fast. I run from anybody who uses terms

like " Sticky. " I get worked up over assinine comments liek that that

doctors use when they can't say anything intellegent to get the

patient to do what they want with grown up talk.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I hate to dissapoint people, but Synthroid is much more likely to

build up to excessive levels before people notice. Because it is all

T4 and relatively inactive, people can get quite high blood levels

before they begine to have problems. Then it becomes more of an

emergency because it is not near as easy to get out of the blood. It

can take over a month to clear out excess Synthroid. But, with

Armour and it's " dangerous, sticky " T3, and it's short half life,

you can usually get excess Armour out of the blood in a day or a few

days at the most. You will notice excess with Armour much more

quickly than with Synthroid due to the T3.

So, when it comes to slow build-up of excess thyroid, Synthroid is

the most problematic and least noticed untill it gets very far

along, when it is much harder to deal with.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I hate to dissapoint people, but Synthroid is much more likely to

build up to excessive levels before people notice. Because it is all

T4 and relatively inactive, people can get quite high blood levels

before they begine to have problems. Then it becomes more of an

emergency because it is not near as easy to get out of the blood. It

can take over a month to clear out excess Synthroid. But, with

Armour and it's " dangerous, sticky " T3, and it's short half life,

you can usually get excess Armour out of the blood in a day or a few

days at the most. You will notice excess with Armour much more

quickly than with Synthroid due to the T3.

So, when it comes to slow build-up of excess thyroid, Synthroid is

the most problematic and least noticed untill it gets very far

along, when it is much harder to deal with.

Tish

[Guest guest]

>>I would run from this guy so fast. I run from anybody who uses terms

like " Sticky. " I get worked up over assinine comments liek that that

doctors use when they can't say anything intellegent to get the

patient to do what they want with grown up talk.<,

Tish this cracks me up! You sound so much like me! I HATE being talked down to

by any doctor. I have studied enough medical writings and journals and books

between my career caring for animals and my own health problems I probably know

more than alot of doctors do, and certainly do an=bout thyroid disease. Have you

also been to alot of doctors that treated you like you were fat & lazy and just

needed something to do to relieve your symptoms? When I first started having

this attitude toward doctors, I was working two jobs and barely surviving in

upstate NY. With low pay and winter layoffs I didn;t feel I needed to waste my

money on this crap from them. It probably was a good lesson as I haven;t wasted

alot of money on them since.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>I would run from this guy so fast. I run from anybody who uses terms

like " Sticky. " I get worked up over assinine comments liek that that

doctors use when they can't say anything intellegent to get the

patient to do what they want with grown up talk.<,

Tish this cracks me up! You sound so much like me! I HATE being talked down to

by any doctor. I have studied enough medical writings and journals and books

between my career caring for animals and my own health problems I probably know

more than alot of doctors do, and certainly do an=bout thyroid disease. Have you

also been to alot of doctors that treated you like you were fat & lazy and just

needed something to do to relieve your symptoms? When I first started having

this attitude toward doctors, I was working two jobs and barely surviving in

upstate NY. With low pay and winter layoffs I didn;t feel I needed to waste my

money on this crap from them. It probably was a good lesson as I haven;t wasted

alot of money on them since.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>I would run from this guy so fast. I run from anybody who uses terms

like " Sticky. " I get worked up over assinine comments liek that that

doctors use when they can't say anything intellegent to get the

patient to do what they want with grown up talk.<,

Tish this cracks me up! You sound so much like me! I HATE being talked down to

by any doctor. I have studied enough medical writings and journals and books

between my career caring for animals and my own health problems I probably know

more than alot of doctors do, and certainly do an=bout thyroid disease. Have you

also been to alot of doctors that treated you like you were fat & lazy and just

needed something to do to relieve your symptoms? When I first started having

this attitude toward doctors, I was working two jobs and barely surviving in

upstate NY. With low pay and winter layoffs I didn;t feel I needed to waste my

money on this crap from them. It probably was a good lesson as I haven;t wasted

alot of money on them since.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/2005 9:45:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

saltillo@... writes:

> But,

> I'm a hard mean old lady.

>

i'm sorry...but i just had to laugh when i read this. Tish, you know that

you're not mean....it's just that you're smarter than 99% of the doctors. now

hard and old? i don't know about that.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/2005 11:17:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,

klb58@... writes:

> I think you are probably smarter than 99.9%

lol...little sister, i was only giving her 99%.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/2005 11:17:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,

klb58@... writes:

> I think you are probably smarter than 99.9%

lol...little sister, i was only giving her 99%.

cindi

[Guest guest]

I've been treated so rudely by doctors. One told me I was just

depressed, even though I had never once used that word in his office

and had complained of only physical problems. He was so

condescending. I had said that I wanted to live it up but didn't

have the energy. It was like living in the turn of the century again

where they gave women ovorectomies or sent them to mental hospitals

when they didn't behave.

I wrote him a letter accusing him of being a sexist and said that he

would never write off a man with that diagnosis who came in with the

same complaints, that he'd go to some effort to find what was wrong

with a man.

One woman doctor refused to run more than the TSH test dispite me

comming in with a long list of symptoms that were most of the

symptoms of hypothyroidism and a bunch of material on

hypothyroidism. She instead ran a Rhumatoid arthritis test because

she wanted to punish me by telling me I had an incurable disease in

which I would suffer the rest of my life. I have not forgiven her.

I really do not think much of doctors. I had a top thyroid doc who

was a really nice guy and smarter than the vast majority of doctors,

but after a year of seeing him and him telling me things I already

knew, I just could not justify paying him so much money. I am hiring

a consultant, not someone to rule over me, and I expect to get

something for my money that I couldn't get myself.

When I find a doc that knows more than me, maybe I'll think about

it. But, I'd rather read and learn and figure it out myself.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I've been treated so rudely by doctors. One told me I was just

depressed, even though I had never once used that word in his office

and had complained of only physical problems. He was so

condescending. I had said that I wanted to live it up but didn't

have the energy. It was like living in the turn of the century again

where they gave women ovorectomies or sent them to mental hospitals

when they didn't behave.

I wrote him a letter accusing him of being a sexist and said that he

would never write off a man with that diagnosis who came in with the

same complaints, that he'd go to some effort to find what was wrong

with a man.

One woman doctor refused to run more than the TSH test dispite me

comming in with a long list of symptoms that were most of the

symptoms of hypothyroidism and a bunch of material on

hypothyroidism. She instead ran a Rhumatoid arthritis test because

she wanted to punish me by telling me I had an incurable disease in

which I would suffer the rest of my life. I have not forgiven her.

I really do not think much of doctors. I had a top thyroid doc who

was a really nice guy and smarter than the vast majority of doctors,

but after a year of seeing him and him telling me things I already

knew, I just could not justify paying him so much money. I am hiring

a consultant, not someone to rule over me, and I expect to get

something for my money that I couldn't get myself.

When I find a doc that knows more than me, maybe I'll think about

it. But, I'd rather read and learn and figure it out myself.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I've been treated so rudely by doctors. One told me I was just

depressed, even though I had never once used that word in his office

and had complained of only physical problems. He was so

condescending. I had said that I wanted to live it up but didn't

have the energy. It was like living in the turn of the century again

where they gave women ovorectomies or sent them to mental hospitals

when they didn't behave.

I wrote him a letter accusing him of being a sexist and said that he

would never write off a man with that diagnosis who came in with the

same complaints, that he'd go to some effort to find what was wrong

with a man.

One woman doctor refused to run more than the TSH test dispite me

comming in with a long list of symptoms that were most of the

symptoms of hypothyroidism and a bunch of material on

hypothyroidism. She instead ran a Rhumatoid arthritis test because

she wanted to punish me by telling me I had an incurable disease in

which I would suffer the rest of my life. I have not forgiven her.

I really do not think much of doctors. I had a top thyroid doc who

was a really nice guy and smarter than the vast majority of doctors,

but after a year of seeing him and him telling me things I already

knew, I just could not justify paying him so much money. I am hiring

a consultant, not someone to rule over me, and I expect to get

something for my money that I couldn't get myself.

When I find a doc that knows more than me, maybe I'll think about

it. But, I'd rather read and learn and figure it out myself.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> This doctor treated me BETTER than ANY doctor I have

> been to in years. He spent a full hour with me with no

> interuptions.

____________________

This is a connundrum. Do you want to be treated with respect and

kindness, but get lousy information and care, or do you want someone

smart enough to help you have a heatlhy and productive life? Giving

you false or distortied information and displaying his total

ignorance is not exactly treating patients with respect.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> This doctor treated me BETTER than ANY doctor I have

> been to in years. He spent a full hour with me with no

> interuptions.

____________________

This is a connundrum. Do you want to be treated with respect and

kindness, but get lousy information and care, or do you want someone

smart enough to help you have a heatlhy and productive life? Giving

you false or distortied information and displaying his total

ignorance is not exactly treating patients with respect.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> This doctor treated me BETTER than ANY doctor I have

> been to in years. He spent a full hour with me with no

> interuptions.

____________________

This is a connundrum. Do you want to be treated with respect and

kindness, but get lousy information and care, or do you want someone

smart enough to help you have a heatlhy and productive life? Giving

you false or distortied information and displaying his total

ignorance is not exactly treating patients with respect.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Giving

> you false or distortied information and displaying his total

> ignorance is not exactly treating patients with respect.

_________________

I realize that I am a hard woman. He sounds like he is better than

90% of the doctors out there. But, I sure wouldn't go to him. But,

I'm a hard mean old lady.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Giving

> you false or distortied information and displaying his total

> ignorance is not exactly treating patients with respect.

_________________

I realize that I am a hard woman. He sounds like he is better than

90% of the doctors out there. But, I sure wouldn't go to him. But,

I'm a hard mean old lady.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Giving

> you false or distortied information and displaying his total

> ignorance is not exactly treating patients with respect.

_________________

I realize that I am a hard woman. He sounds like he is better than

90% of the doctors out there. But, I sure wouldn't go to him. But,

I'm a hard mean old lady.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Kerry,

If you like this Dr continue to go to him. And, as is the case with

any Dr, do your own research.

Louise

> I think you are probably smarter than 99.9% of Endo's

> out there, however we are not able to do our own FNA's

> and pathologies. Until I get an all clear, which

> shouldn't take too long, considering I go back on

> March 3rd. After that, I am probably not going to

> waste my time and gas to drive to Seattle. My GP Rx's

> my Armour, has not had a problem with the materials I

> bring in and is very open to learning and gives me all

> the tests I need.

>

>