Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

Re: Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

Rate this topic

Guest guest

By Guest guest
in Health, Medicine and Natural Healing 05

 Share

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

two things. First can you post your results and the ranges? Second, have you had

your adrenals and ferritin tested?

Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you. You'll

see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some of

you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido, feelings

of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was why.

Since reading several articles re: hypothyroidism and after scanning

through a new book I got by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.....I am starting

to think more seriously that I may have thyroid problems. I also

have many questions....I have several symptoms which could also be

attributed to hormone imbalances. At age 33 I had a partial

hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

menopause for at least 10 yrs. now. My body weight is averaging

around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say that

is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong. I've

suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests always

showed me being " in range " . I'm pretty certain the drs. around

here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out once

and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can get

on the right treatment and start feeling better soon. I can't live

like this...I'm so depressed about everything right now. I keep

adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out, I still get

the anxiety off and on, etc.

Some of the things I read in Hertoghe's book made me feel more

overwhelmed last night...I couldn't even sleep...thinking I was

dying! It looked like I needed all of the hormones he talks about,

because I had or have had all of the symptoms!!!

Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this??? Are

you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic? I don't know if

I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

now.

Sorry to go on like this...I need your help and I don't know where to

turn anymore. I'll put some other questions I have in another

post. Thanks for letting me into your group. (thanks, Cindi for

telling me about it)

Kathy

(oops...I should mention that my last thyroid blood test was a yr.

ago and my levels were: TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL).....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

1.8 ng/dL). Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp was

97.2. I'll get out and buy a new one today and try again :)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

two things. First can you post your results and the ranges? Second, have you had

your adrenals and ferritin tested?

Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you. You'll

see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some of

you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido, feelings

of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was why.

Since reading several articles re: hypothyroidism and after scanning

through a new book I got by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.....I am starting

to think more seriously that I may have thyroid problems. I also

have many questions....I have several symptoms which could also be

attributed to hormone imbalances. At age 33 I had a partial

hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

menopause for at least 10 yrs. now. My body weight is averaging

around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say that

is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong. I've

suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests always

showed me being " in range " . I'm pretty certain the drs. around

here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out once

and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can get

on the right treatment and start feeling better soon. I can't live

like this...I'm so depressed about everything right now. I keep

adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out, I still get

the anxiety off and on, etc.

Some of the things I read in Hertoghe's book made me feel more

overwhelmed last night...I couldn't even sleep...thinking I was

dying! It looked like I needed all of the hormones he talks about,

because I had or have had all of the symptoms!!!

Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this??? Are

you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic? I don't know if

I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

now.

Sorry to go on like this...I need your help and I don't know where to

turn anymore. I'll put some other questions I have in another

post. Thanks for letting me into your group. (thanks, Cindi for

telling me about it)

Kathy

(oops...I should mention that my last thyroid blood test was a yr.

ago and my levels were: TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL).....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

1.8 ng/dL). Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp was

97.2. I'll get out and buy a new one today and try again :)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

My latest results are noted at the bottom of my post. And, no, I

haven't had my adrenals tested (and probably not the ferritin

either..what is that?) :)

> two things. First can you post your results and the ranges? Second,

have you had your adrenals and ferritin tested?

> Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

>

>

>

> I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you.

You'll

> see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

>

> I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

> this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some

of

> you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

> lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was

why.

>

> Since reading several articles re: hypothyroidism and after

scanning

> through a new book I got by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.....I am

starting

> to think more seriously that I may have thyroid problems. I

also

> have many questions....I have several symptoms which could also

be

> attributed to hormone imbalances. At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now. My body weight is

averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong. I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " . I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon. I can't

live

> like this...I'm so depressed about everything right now. I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out, I still

get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

> Some of the things I read in Hertoghe's book made me feel more

> overwhelmed last night...I couldn't even sleep...thinking I was

> dying! It looked like I needed all of the hormones he talks

about,

> because I had or have had all of the symptoms!!!

>

> Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

Are

> you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic? I don't know

if

> I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> now.

> Sorry to go on like this...I need your help and I don't know

where to

> turn anymore. I'll put some other questions I have in another

> post. Thanks for letting me into your group. (thanks, Cindi

for

> telling me about it)

> Kathy

>

> (oops...I should mention that my last thyroid blood test was a

yr.

> ago and my levels were: TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

> free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL).....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range

0.8-

> 1.8 ng/dL). Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this

morn.

> and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

was

> 97.2. I'll get out and buy a new one today and try again :)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

My latest results are noted at the bottom of my post. And, no, I

haven't had my adrenals tested (and probably not the ferritin

either..what is that?) :)

> two things. First can you post your results and the ranges? Second,

have you had your adrenals and ferritin tested?

> Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

>

>

>

> I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you.

You'll

> see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

>

> I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

> this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some

of

> you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

> lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was

why.

>

> Since reading several articles re: hypothyroidism and after

scanning

> through a new book I got by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.....I am

starting

> to think more seriously that I may have thyroid problems. I

also

> have many questions....I have several symptoms which could also

be

> attributed to hormone imbalances. At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now. My body weight is

averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong. I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " . I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon. I can't

live

> like this...I'm so depressed about everything right now. I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out, I still

get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

> Some of the things I read in Hertoghe's book made me feel more

> overwhelmed last night...I couldn't even sleep...thinking I was

> dying! It looked like I needed all of the hormones he talks

about,

> because I had or have had all of the symptoms!!!

>

> Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

Are

> you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic? I don't know

if

> I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> now.

> Sorry to go on like this...I need your help and I don't know

where to

> turn anymore. I'll put some other questions I have in another

> post. Thanks for letting me into your group. (thanks, Cindi

for

> telling me about it)

> Kathy

>

> (oops...I should mention that my last thyroid blood test was a

yr.

> ago and my levels were: TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

> free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL).....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range

0.8-

> 1.8 ng/dL). Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this

morn.

> and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

was

> 97.2. I'll get out and buy a new one today and try again :)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

My latest results are noted at the bottom of my post. And, no, I

haven't had my adrenals tested (and probably not the ferritin

either..what is that?) :)

> two things. First can you post your results and the ranges? Second,

have you had your adrenals and ferritin tested?

> Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

>

>

>

> I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you.

You'll

> see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

>

> I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

> this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some

of

> you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

> lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was

why.

>

> Since reading several articles re: hypothyroidism and after

scanning

> through a new book I got by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.....I am

starting

> to think more seriously that I may have thyroid problems. I

also

> have many questions....I have several symptoms which could also

be

> attributed to hormone imbalances. At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now. My body weight is

averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong. I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " . I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon. I can't

live

> like this...I'm so depressed about everything right now. I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out, I still

get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

> Some of the things I read in Hertoghe's book made me feel more

> overwhelmed last night...I couldn't even sleep...thinking I was

> dying! It looked like I needed all of the hormones he talks

about,

> because I had or have had all of the symptoms!!!

>

> Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

Are

> you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic? I don't know

if

> I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> now.

> Sorry to go on like this...I need your help and I don't know

where to

> turn anymore. I'll put some other questions I have in another

> post. Thanks for letting me into your group. (thanks, Cindi

for

> telling me about it)

> Kathy

>

> (oops...I should mention that my last thyroid blood test was a

yr.

> ago and my levels were: TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

> free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL).....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range

0.8-

> 1.8 ng/dL). Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this

morn.

> and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

was

> 97.2. I'll get out and buy a new one today and try again :)

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

----------

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

are these the only tests you have had? You need a 24 hour cortisol test and a

ferritin test. What are your hormone tests and hgh and dhea? Not able to gain

weight is NOT a symptom of hypo.

Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

>

>

>

> I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you.

You'll

> see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

>

> I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

> this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some

of

> you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

> lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was

why.

>

> Since reading several articles re: hypothyroidism and after

scanning

> through a new book I got by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.....I am

starting

> to think more seriously that I may have thyroid problems. I

also

> have many questions....I have several symptoms which could also

be

> attributed to hormone imbalances. At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now. My body weight is

averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong. I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " . I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon. I can't

live

> like this...I'm so depressed about everything right now. I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out, I still

get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

> Some of the things I read in Hertoghe's book made me feel more

> overwhelmed last night...I couldn't even sleep...thinking I was

> dying! It looked like I needed all of the hormones he talks

about,

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

are these the only tests you have had? You need a 24 hour cortisol test and a

ferritin test. What are your hormone tests and hgh and dhea? Not able to gain

weight is NOT a symptom of hypo.

Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

>

>

>

> I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you.

You'll

> see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

>

> I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

> this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some

of

> you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

> lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was

why.

>

> Since reading several articles re: hypothyroidism and after

scanning

> through a new book I got by Thierry Hertoghe, M.D.....I am

starting

> to think more seriously that I may have thyroid problems. I

also

> have many questions....I have several symptoms which could also

be

> attributed to hormone imbalances. At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now. My body weight is

averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong. I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " . I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon. I can't

live

> like this...I'm so depressed about everything right now. I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out, I still

get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

> Some of the things I read in Hertoghe's book made me feel more

> overwhelmed last night...I couldn't even sleep...thinking I was

> dying! It looked like I needed all of the hormones he talks

about,

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

In a message dated 2/18/2005 10:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> Not able to gain weight is NOT a symptom of hypo.

>

actually...this was a problem of mine in the years before being

diagnosed..being a few pounds underweight. i'm not sure exactly what caused

it...but i'm

guessing it was malabsoption (not absorbing nutrients) from digestive tract

damage from long term hypo.

cindi

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

In a message dated 2/18/2005 10:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> Not able to gain weight is NOT a symptom of hypo.

>

actually...this was a problem of mine in the years before being

diagnosed..being a few pounds underweight. i'm not sure exactly what caused

it...but i'm

guessing it was malabsoption (not absorbing nutrients) from digestive tract

damage from long term hypo.

cindi

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet),

__________________

Classic hyp symptoms. Especially the hair loss. Very symptomatic of

low thyroid.

_______________

At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now.

_________________

Hysterectomy increases the risk of developing hypothyroiism.

Reproductive problems like uterine fibroids, endometriosis, PCOS,

are also signs of low thyroid function. Well treated thryoid

patients rarely have these problems, less so than the general public.

The ovaries tend to fail in about 5 years following surgery in 25 to

50% of hysterectomies. The ovaries are in a feedback loop with the

adrenals, thyroid, pituitary/hypothalamus and for some reason once

the uterus is gone, they sort of loose their way and this often has

an effect on the other endocrine glands. Some think it is because

they loose blood flow from the uterus. Others think that the uterus

is needed for the ovaries to function properly.

_________________

My body weight is averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong.

_________________

Weight loss can be a symptom of hypothyroidism. It is rarer but a

fact. I did not change weight but by just a few pounds being

hypothyroid. Hypothyroidism has many adverse affects on the

digestive system and can keep you from getting adequate nutrition.

Also, hypothyroidism can weaken the adrenal glands and when adrenal

fucntion declines far enough, weight loss is a common symptom of low

adrenal function. Hysterectomy has been found to alter adrenal

function significantly and lower DHEA and other hormone production.

The result can very easily be weight loss.

__________________

I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " .

_______________________

Reproductive problems you mentioned indicate that you have had

thryoid imbalances for a long time. This is similar to my story.

_____________________

I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

______________________

This is an understatement of grand proportions. Boy are they ever.

_____________________

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon.

________________________

Here are some places to look for a doctor. As a general rule, avoid

endocrinologists. They are the worst in my opinion. A wholistic doc

is probably your best bet. Check out the doctor lists here:

http://www.thyroid-info.com/

http://www.armourthyroid.com/

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ (Weed out the T3 only doctors)

http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

Here are good articles to read before you go:

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp

http://www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm

Be sure whatever doctor you choose runs Free T4, Free T3, and

antibody tests. My hypothyroidism was missed for years because

doctors only ran the TSH test.

______________________

I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out,

________________

Estrogen becomes too high in hypothyroidism and estrogen interferes

with thyroid function by slowing the thryoid down and by making it

held tightly to protiens in the blood and unavailable to tissues for

energy. So, you might want to consider lowering the estrogen for

now. Treating hypothyroidism usually corrects the high estrogen

levels over time. But, hypothyroidism causes estrogen dominance.

________________

I still get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

________________

Sounds like low adrenal function or adrenal fatigue.

_______________

> Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

Are

> you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic?

______________

The vast majority of doctors have recieved their training in thyroid

treatment from the manufacurers of Synthetic T4. Very few prescribe

natural thyroid anymore and the big drug companies are working their

nickles to the bone trying to deprive everybody of this inexpensive

very effective treatment. read Gail's Thryoid Tips:

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

_______________

I don't know if

> I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> now.

__________________

Why not call the offices of doctors you've found on the lists above

and ask tow questions:

-Does the doctor prescribe Armour?

-Does the doctor adjust thyroid meds by test values only or does

he/she adjust by symptoms?

_________________

TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

_____________________

TSH test is pretty meaningless.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

________________________

> free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL)

________________________

Your T3 is below the midline of the range. This indicates thryoid

treatment not adequate. Thyroid test ranges are skewed downward

toward hypothyroidism and so you really need to be above the midline

or above 3.0 minimum and better if you are in the upper 1/3 of the

range. Ranges are skewed down due to an overly large percentage of

people who are hypothyroid being in the groups used to determine the

ranges. So, you really need to be in the upper half minimum of the

ranges.

___________________

......and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

> 1.8 ng/dL).

__________________________

You are exactly at the midline of the range. This is notheing to get

too excited about. If you are on Synthroid, Levoxyl or oter all T4

meds, you really need T4 to be at the upper end of the range or even

above it. This is needed to get T3 high enough.

_________________

Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

> and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

was

> 97.2.

___________________

I bet your thermometer is not broken at all. My temp before

treatment was 97.4. Some people have temps as low as 96 when hypo.

______________

Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet),

__________________

Classic hyp symptoms. Especially the hair loss. Very symptomatic of

low thyroid.

_______________

At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now.

_________________

Hysterectomy increases the risk of developing hypothyroiism.

Reproductive problems like uterine fibroids, endometriosis, PCOS,

are also signs of low thyroid function. Well treated thryoid

patients rarely have these problems, less so than the general public.

The ovaries tend to fail in about 5 years following surgery in 25 to

50% of hysterectomies. The ovaries are in a feedback loop with the

adrenals, thyroid, pituitary/hypothalamus and for some reason once

the uterus is gone, they sort of loose their way and this often has

an effect on the other endocrine glands. Some think it is because

they loose blood flow from the uterus. Others think that the uterus

is needed for the ovaries to function properly.

_________________

My body weight is averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong.

_________________

Weight loss can be a symptom of hypothyroidism. It is rarer but a

fact. I did not change weight but by just a few pounds being

hypothyroid. Hypothyroidism has many adverse affects on the

digestive system and can keep you from getting adequate nutrition.

Also, hypothyroidism can weaken the adrenal glands and when adrenal

fucntion declines far enough, weight loss is a common symptom of low

adrenal function. Hysterectomy has been found to alter adrenal

function significantly and lower DHEA and other hormone production.

The result can very easily be weight loss.

__________________

I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " .

_______________________

Reproductive problems you mentioned indicate that you have had

thryoid imbalances for a long time. This is similar to my story.

_____________________

I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

______________________

This is an understatement of grand proportions. Boy are they ever.

_____________________

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon.

________________________

Here are some places to look for a doctor. As a general rule, avoid

endocrinologists. They are the worst in my opinion. A wholistic doc

is probably your best bet. Check out the doctor lists here:

http://www.thyroid-info.com/

http://www.armourthyroid.com/

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ (Weed out the T3 only doctors)

http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

Here are good articles to read before you go:

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp

http://www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm

Be sure whatever doctor you choose runs Free T4, Free T3, and

antibody tests. My hypothyroidism was missed for years because

doctors only ran the TSH test.

______________________

I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out,

________________

Estrogen becomes too high in hypothyroidism and estrogen interferes

with thyroid function by slowing the thryoid down and by making it

held tightly to protiens in the blood and unavailable to tissues for

energy. So, you might want to consider lowering the estrogen for

now. Treating hypothyroidism usually corrects the high estrogen

levels over time. But, hypothyroidism causes estrogen dominance.

________________

I still get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

________________

Sounds like low adrenal function or adrenal fatigue.

_______________

> Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

Are

> you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic?

______________

The vast majority of doctors have recieved their training in thyroid

treatment from the manufacurers of Synthetic T4. Very few prescribe

natural thyroid anymore and the big drug companies are working their

nickles to the bone trying to deprive everybody of this inexpensive

very effective treatment. read Gail's Thryoid Tips:

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

_______________

I don't know if

> I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> now.

__________________

Why not call the offices of doctors you've found on the lists above

and ask tow questions:

-Does the doctor prescribe Armour?

-Does the doctor adjust thyroid meds by test values only or does

he/she adjust by symptoms?

_________________

TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

_____________________

TSH test is pretty meaningless.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

________________________

> free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL)

________________________

Your T3 is below the midline of the range. This indicates thryoid

treatment not adequate. Thyroid test ranges are skewed downward

toward hypothyroidism and so you really need to be above the midline

or above 3.0 minimum and better if you are in the upper 1/3 of the

range. Ranges are skewed down due to an overly large percentage of

people who are hypothyroid being in the groups used to determine the

ranges. So, you really need to be in the upper half minimum of the

ranges.

___________________

......and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

> 1.8 ng/dL).

__________________________

You are exactly at the midline of the range. This is notheing to get

too excited about. If you are on Synthroid, Levoxyl or oter all T4

meds, you really need T4 to be at the upper end of the range or even

above it. This is needed to get T3 high enough.

_________________

Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

> and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

was

> 97.2.

___________________

I bet your thermometer is not broken at all. My temp before

treatment was 97.4. Some people have temps as low as 96 when hypo.

______________

Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet),

__________________

Classic hyp symptoms. Especially the hair loss. Very symptomatic of

low thyroid.

_______________

At age 33 I had a partial

> hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> menopause for at least 10 yrs. now.

_________________

Hysterectomy increases the risk of developing hypothyroiism.

Reproductive problems like uterine fibroids, endometriosis, PCOS,

are also signs of low thyroid function. Well treated thryoid

patients rarely have these problems, less so than the general public.

The ovaries tend to fail in about 5 years following surgery in 25 to

50% of hysterectomies. The ovaries are in a feedback loop with the

adrenals, thyroid, pituitary/hypothalamus and for some reason once

the uterus is gone, they sort of loose their way and this often has

an effect on the other endocrine glands. Some think it is because

they loose blood flow from the uterus. Others think that the uterus

is needed for the ovaries to function properly.

_________________

My body weight is averaging

> around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

that

> is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong.

_________________

Weight loss can be a symptom of hypothyroidism. It is rarer but a

fact. I did not change weight but by just a few pounds being

hypothyroid. Hypothyroidism has many adverse affects on the

digestive system and can keep you from getting adequate nutrition.

Also, hypothyroidism can weaken the adrenal glands and when adrenal

fucntion declines far enough, weight loss is a common symptom of low

adrenal function. Hysterectomy has been found to alter adrenal

function significantly and lower DHEA and other hormone production.

The result can very easily be weight loss.

__________________

I've

> suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

always

> showed me being " in range " .

_______________________

Reproductive problems you mentioned indicate that you have had

thryoid imbalances for a long time. This is similar to my story.

_____________________

I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

______________________

This is an understatement of grand proportions. Boy are they ever.

_____________________

>

> I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

once

> and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

get

> on the right treatment and start feeling better soon.

________________________

Here are some places to look for a doctor. As a general rule, avoid

endocrinologists. They are the worst in my opinion. A wholistic doc

is probably your best bet. Check out the doctor lists here:

http://www.thyroid-info.com/

http://www.armourthyroid.com/

http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ (Weed out the T3 only doctors)

http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

Here are good articles to read before you go:

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp

http://www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm

Be sure whatever doctor you choose runs Free T4, Free T3, and

antibody tests. My hypothyroidism was missed for years because

doctors only ran the TSH test.

______________________

I keep

> adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out,

________________

Estrogen becomes too high in hypothyroidism and estrogen interferes

with thyroid function by slowing the thryoid down and by making it

held tightly to protiens in the blood and unavailable to tissues for

energy. So, you might want to consider lowering the estrogen for

now. Treating hypothyroidism usually corrects the high estrogen

levels over time. But, hypothyroidism causes estrogen dominance.

________________

I still get

> the anxiety off and on, etc.

________________

Sounds like low adrenal function or adrenal fatigue.

_______________

> Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

Are

> you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic?

______________

The vast majority of doctors have recieved their training in thyroid

treatment from the manufacurers of Synthetic T4. Very few prescribe

natural thyroid anymore and the big drug companies are working their

nickles to the bone trying to deprive everybody of this inexpensive

very effective treatment. read Gail's Thryoid Tips:

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

_______________

I don't know if

> I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> now.

__________________

Why not call the offices of doctors you've found on the lists above

and ask tow questions:

-Does the doctor prescribe Armour?

-Does the doctor adjust thyroid meds by test values only or does

he/she adjust by symptoms?

_________________

TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

_____________________

TSH test is pretty meaningless.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

________________________

> free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL)

________________________

Your T3 is below the midline of the range. This indicates thryoid

treatment not adequate. Thyroid test ranges are skewed downward

toward hypothyroidism and so you really need to be above the midline

or above 3.0 minimum and better if you are in the upper 1/3 of the

range. Ranges are skewed down due to an overly large percentage of

people who are hypothyroid being in the groups used to determine the

ranges. So, you really need to be in the upper half minimum of the

ranges.

___________________

......and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

> 1.8 ng/dL).

__________________________

You are exactly at the midline of the range. This is notheing to get

too excited about. If you are on Synthroid, Levoxyl or oter all T4

meds, you really need T4 to be at the upper end of the range or even

above it. This is needed to get T3 high enough.

_________________

Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

> and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

was

> 97.2.

___________________

I bet your thermometer is not broken at all. My temp before

treatment was 97.4. Some people have temps as low as 96 when hypo.

______________

Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Tish,

I can't thank you enough for being so helpful in explaining things to

me.

I haven't had adrenal tests, etc....probably because I've yet to find

a dr. who looks far enough ahead at all my symptoms and delves

deeper. ...and let me tell you, I've seen my share (and someone

else's LOL) of drs. over the years.

I've had DHEA tested and my last level was -- DHEA-S 159.00ug/mL

(expected values at Mayo Clinic being: 18-244) -- and, DHEA - 4.3

(expected values: 1.2-10.9 ages 20-49 yrs.)

My energy level seems fine....I religiously take multi-vitamin

supplements and have been using royal jelly daily, which is supposed

to be very beneficial for adrenal health. I attribute that to my

improved energy and have not had the typical illnesses (colds, flu)

for several yrs. since beginning using it.

I'm not suffering from 'weight-loss'...I've been thin like this all

my life.

Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain from

drinking coffee??? I think Hertoghe says that...I'll croak! I

drink approx. 2 cups each morning...love it! I'm getting ahead of

myself.

Thanks for all the good points you make. I'll look at the websites.

Kathy

>

> I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> > hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

> feelings

> > of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> > feet),

> __________________

> Classic hyp symptoms. Especially the hair loss. Very symptomatic of

> low thyroid.

> _______________

>

> At age 33 I had a partial

> > hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> > menopause for at least 10 yrs. now.

> _________________

> Hysterectomy increases the risk of developing hypothyroiism.

> Reproductive problems like uterine fibroids, endometriosis, PCOS,

> are also signs of low thyroid function. Well treated thryoid

> patients rarely have these problems, less so than the general

public.

>

> The ovaries tend to fail in about 5 years following surgery in 25

to

> 50% of hysterectomies. The ovaries are in a feedback loop with the

> adrenals, thyroid, pituitary/hypothalamus and for some reason once

> the uterus is gone, they sort of loose their way and this often has

> an effect on the other endocrine glands. Some think it is because

> they loose blood flow from the uterus. Others think that the uterus

> is needed for the ovaries to function properly.

> _________________

>

> My body weight is averaging

> > around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> > with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

> that

> > is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong.

> _________________

>

> Weight loss can be a symptom of hypothyroidism. It is rarer but a

> fact. I did not change weight but by just a few pounds being

> hypothyroid. Hypothyroidism has many adverse affects on the

> digestive system and can keep you from getting adequate nutrition.

> Also, hypothyroidism can weaken the adrenal glands and when adrenal

> fucntion declines far enough, weight loss is a common symptom of

low

> adrenal function. Hysterectomy has been found to alter adrenal

> function significantly and lower DHEA and other hormone production.

> The result can very easily be weight loss.

> __________________

> I've

> > suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

> always

> > showed me being " in range " .

> _______________________

> Reproductive problems you mentioned indicate that you have had

> thryoid imbalances for a long time. This is similar to my story.

> _____________________

>

> I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> > here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

> ______________________

>

> This is an understatement of grand proportions. Boy are they ever.

> _____________________

> >

> > I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> > knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

> once

> > and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

> get

> > on the right treatment and start feeling better soon.

> ________________________

> Here are some places to look for a doctor. As a general rule, avoid

> endocrinologists. They are the worst in my opinion. A wholistic doc

> is probably your best bet. Check out the doctor lists here:

>

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/

> http://www.armourthyroid.com/

> http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ (Weed out the T3 only doctors)

> http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

>

> Here are good articles to read before you go:

> http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp

> http://www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm

>

> Be sure whatever doctor you choose runs Free T4, Free T3, and

> antibody tests. My hypothyroidism was missed for years because

> doctors only ran the TSH test.

> ______________________

> I keep

> > adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out,

> ________________

> Estrogen becomes too high in hypothyroidism and estrogen interferes

> with thyroid function by slowing the thryoid down and by making it

> held tightly to protiens in the blood and unavailable to tissues

for

> energy. So, you might want to consider lowering the estrogen for

> now. Treating hypothyroidism usually corrects the high estrogen

> levels over time. But, hypothyroidism causes estrogen dominance.

> ________________

>

> I still get

> > the anxiety off and on, etc.

> ________________

> Sounds like low adrenal function or adrenal fatigue.

> _______________

>

> > Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

> Are

> > you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> > prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic?

> ______________

> The vast majority of doctors have recieved their training in

thyroid

> treatment from the manufacurers of Synthetic T4. Very few prescribe

> natural thyroid anymore and the big drug companies are working

their

> nickles to the bone trying to deprive everybody of this inexpensive

> very effective treatment. read Gail's Thryoid Tips:

> http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

> _______________

>

> I don't know if

> > I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> > now.

> __________________

> Why not call the offices of doctors you've found on the lists above

> and ask tow questions:

>

> -Does the doctor prescribe Armour?

> -Does the doctor adjust thyroid meds by test values only or does

> he/she adjust by symptoms?

> _________________

> TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

> _____________________

> TSH test is pretty meaningless.

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

> ________________________

> > free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL)

> ________________________

> Your T3 is below the midline of the range. This indicates thryoid

> treatment not adequate. Thyroid test ranges are skewed downward

> toward hypothyroidism and so you really need to be above the

midline

> or above 3.0 minimum and better if you are in the upper 1/3 of the

> range. Ranges are skewed down due to an overly large percentage of

> people who are hypothyroid being in the groups used to determine

the

> ranges. So, you really need to be in the upper half minimum of the

> ranges.

> ___________________

>

> .....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

> > 1.8 ng/dL).

> __________________________

> You are exactly at the midline of the range. This is notheing to

get

> too excited about. If you are on Synthroid, Levoxyl or oter all T4

> meds, you really need T4 to be at the upper end of the range or

even

> above it. This is needed to get T3 high enough.

> _________________

> Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

> > and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

> was

> > 97.2.

> ___________________

>

> I bet your thermometer is not broken at all. My temp before

> treatment was 97.4. Some people have temps as low as 96 when hypo.

> ______________

>

> Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Tish,

I can't thank you enough for being so helpful in explaining things to

me.

I haven't had adrenal tests, etc....probably because I've yet to find

a dr. who looks far enough ahead at all my symptoms and delves

deeper. ...and let me tell you, I've seen my share (and someone

else's LOL) of drs. over the years.

I've had DHEA tested and my last level was -- DHEA-S 159.00ug/mL

(expected values at Mayo Clinic being: 18-244) -- and, DHEA - 4.3

(expected values: 1.2-10.9 ages 20-49 yrs.)

My energy level seems fine....I religiously take multi-vitamin

supplements and have been using royal jelly daily, which is supposed

to be very beneficial for adrenal health. I attribute that to my

improved energy and have not had the typical illnesses (colds, flu)

for several yrs. since beginning using it.

I'm not suffering from 'weight-loss'...I've been thin like this all

my life.

Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain from

drinking coffee??? I think Hertoghe says that...I'll croak! I

drink approx. 2 cups each morning...love it! I'm getting ahead of

myself.

Thanks for all the good points you make. I'll look at the websites.

Kathy

>

> I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> > hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

> feelings

> > of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> > feet),

> __________________

> Classic hyp symptoms. Especially the hair loss. Very symptomatic of

> low thyroid.

> _______________

>

> At age 33 I had a partial

> > hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> > menopause for at least 10 yrs. now.

> _________________

> Hysterectomy increases the risk of developing hypothyroiism.

> Reproductive problems like uterine fibroids, endometriosis, PCOS,

> are also signs of low thyroid function. Well treated thryoid

> patients rarely have these problems, less so than the general

public.

>

> The ovaries tend to fail in about 5 years following surgery in 25

to

> 50% of hysterectomies. The ovaries are in a feedback loop with the

> adrenals, thyroid, pituitary/hypothalamus and for some reason once

> the uterus is gone, they sort of loose their way and this often has

> an effect on the other endocrine glands. Some think it is because

> they loose blood flow from the uterus. Others think that the uterus

> is needed for the ovaries to function properly.

> _________________

>

> My body weight is averaging

> > around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> > with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

> that

> > is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong.

> _________________

>

> Weight loss can be a symptom of hypothyroidism. It is rarer but a

> fact. I did not change weight but by just a few pounds being

> hypothyroid. Hypothyroidism has many adverse affects on the

> digestive system and can keep you from getting adequate nutrition.

> Also, hypothyroidism can weaken the adrenal glands and when adrenal

> fucntion declines far enough, weight loss is a common symptom of

low

> adrenal function. Hysterectomy has been found to alter adrenal

> function significantly and lower DHEA and other hormone production.

> The result can very easily be weight loss.

> __________________

> I've

> > suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

> always

> > showed me being " in range " .

> _______________________

> Reproductive problems you mentioned indicate that you have had

> thryoid imbalances for a long time. This is similar to my story.

> _____________________

>

> I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> > here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

> ______________________

>

> This is an understatement of grand proportions. Boy are they ever.

> _____________________

> >

> > I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> > knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

> once

> > and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

> get

> > on the right treatment and start feeling better soon.

> ________________________

> Here are some places to look for a doctor. As a general rule, avoid

> endocrinologists. They are the worst in my opinion. A wholistic doc

> is probably your best bet. Check out the doctor lists here:

>

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/

> http://www.armourthyroid.com/

> http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ (Weed out the T3 only doctors)

> http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

>

> Here are good articles to read before you go:

> http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp

> http://www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm

>

> Be sure whatever doctor you choose runs Free T4, Free T3, and

> antibody tests. My hypothyroidism was missed for years because

> doctors only ran the TSH test.

> ______________________

> I keep

> > adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out,

> ________________

> Estrogen becomes too high in hypothyroidism and estrogen interferes

> with thyroid function by slowing the thryoid down and by making it

> held tightly to protiens in the blood and unavailable to tissues

for

> energy. So, you might want to consider lowering the estrogen for

> now. Treating hypothyroidism usually corrects the high estrogen

> levels over time. But, hypothyroidism causes estrogen dominance.

> ________________

>

> I still get

> > the anxiety off and on, etc.

> ________________

> Sounds like low adrenal function or adrenal fatigue.

> _______________

>

> > Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

> Are

> > you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> > prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic?

> ______________

> The vast majority of doctors have recieved their training in

thyroid

> treatment from the manufacurers of Synthetic T4. Very few prescribe

> natural thyroid anymore and the big drug companies are working

their

> nickles to the bone trying to deprive everybody of this inexpensive

> very effective treatment. read Gail's Thryoid Tips:

> http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

> _______________

>

> I don't know if

> > I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> > now.

> __________________

> Why not call the offices of doctors you've found on the lists above

> and ask tow questions:

>

> -Does the doctor prescribe Armour?

> -Does the doctor adjust thyroid meds by test values only or does

> he/she adjust by symptoms?

> _________________

> TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

> _____________________

> TSH test is pretty meaningless.

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

> ________________________

> > free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL)

> ________________________

> Your T3 is below the midline of the range. This indicates thryoid

> treatment not adequate. Thyroid test ranges are skewed downward

> toward hypothyroidism and so you really need to be above the

midline

> or above 3.0 minimum and better if you are in the upper 1/3 of the

> range. Ranges are skewed down due to an overly large percentage of

> people who are hypothyroid being in the groups used to determine

the

> ranges. So, you really need to be in the upper half minimum of the

> ranges.

> ___________________

>

> .....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

> > 1.8 ng/dL).

> __________________________

> You are exactly at the midline of the range. This is notheing to

get

> too excited about. If you are on Synthroid, Levoxyl or oter all T4

> meds, you really need T4 to be at the upper end of the range or

even

> above it. This is needed to get T3 high enough.

> _________________

> Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

> > and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

> was

> > 97.2.

> ___________________

>

> I bet your thermometer is not broken at all. My temp before

> treatment was 97.4. Some people have temps as low as 96 when hypo.

> ______________

>

> Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Tish,

I can't thank you enough for being so helpful in explaining things to

me.

I haven't had adrenal tests, etc....probably because I've yet to find

a dr. who looks far enough ahead at all my symptoms and delves

deeper. ...and let me tell you, I've seen my share (and someone

else's LOL) of drs. over the years.

I've had DHEA tested and my last level was -- DHEA-S 159.00ug/mL

(expected values at Mayo Clinic being: 18-244) -- and, DHEA - 4.3

(expected values: 1.2-10.9 ages 20-49 yrs.)

My energy level seems fine....I religiously take multi-vitamin

supplements and have been using royal jelly daily, which is supposed

to be very beneficial for adrenal health. I attribute that to my

improved energy and have not had the typical illnesses (colds, flu)

for several yrs. since beginning using it.

I'm not suffering from 'weight-loss'...I've been thin like this all

my life.

Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain from

drinking coffee??? I think Hertoghe says that...I'll croak! I

drink approx. 2 cups each morning...love it! I'm getting ahead of

myself.

Thanks for all the good points you make. I'll look at the websites.

Kathy

>

> I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> > hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

> feelings

> > of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> > feet),

> __________________

> Classic hyp symptoms. Especially the hair loss. Very symptomatic of

> low thyroid.

> _______________

>

> At age 33 I had a partial

> > hysterectomy and have had symptoms/indications of early onset of

> > menopause for at least 10 yrs. now.

> _________________

> Hysterectomy increases the risk of developing hypothyroiism.

> Reproductive problems like uterine fibroids, endometriosis, PCOS,

> are also signs of low thyroid function. Well treated thryoid

> patients rarely have these problems, less so than the general

public.

>

> The ovaries tend to fail in about 5 years following surgery in 25

to

> 50% of hysterectomies. The ovaries are in a feedback loop with the

> adrenals, thyroid, pituitary/hypothalamus and for some reason once

> the uterus is gone, they sort of loose their way and this often has

> an effect on the other endocrine glands. Some think it is because

> they loose blood flow from the uterus. Others think that the uterus

> is needed for the ovaries to function properly.

> _________________

>

> My body weight is averaging

> > around 110-114 lbs....so, weight gain is not an issue I'm dealing

> > with. I can't seem to gain weight and articles I've read say

> that

> > is one of the symptoms of hypothyroid...maybe I'm wrong.

> _________________

>

> Weight loss can be a symptom of hypothyroidism. It is rarer but a

> fact. I did not change weight but by just a few pounds being

> hypothyroid. Hypothyroidism has many adverse affects on the

> digestive system and can keep you from getting adequate nutrition.

> Also, hypothyroidism can weaken the adrenal glands and when adrenal

> fucntion declines far enough, weight loss is a common symptom of

low

> adrenal function. Hysterectomy has been found to alter adrenal

> function significantly and lower DHEA and other hormone production.

> The result can very easily be weight loss.

> __________________

> I've

> > suspected thyroid imbalances most of my life but blood tests

> always

> > showed me being " in range " .

> _______________________

> Reproductive problems you mentioned indicate that you have had

> thryoid imbalances for a long time. This is similar to my story.

> _____________________

>

> I'm pretty certain the drs. around

> > here are not well-versed or up-to-date in these issues.

> ______________________

>

> This is an understatement of grand proportions. Boy are they ever.

> _____________________

> >

> > I know nothing about thyroid meds. I'm hoping if I can find a

> > knowledgeable doctor who will guide me through this and find out

> once

> > and for all if indeed it is a thyroid problem I have...that I can

> get

> > on the right treatment and start feeling better soon.

> ________________________

> Here are some places to look for a doctor. As a general rule, avoid

> endocrinologists. They are the worst in my opinion. A wholistic doc

> is probably your best bet. Check out the doctor lists here:

>

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/

> http://www.armourthyroid.com/

> http://www.wilsonssyndrome.com/ (Weed out the T3 only doctors)

> http://www.osteopathic.org/index.cfm?PageID=findado_main

>

> Here are good articles to read before you go:

> http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp

> http://www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm

>

> Be sure whatever doctor you choose runs Free T4, Free T3, and

> antibody tests. My hypothyroidism was missed for years because

> doctors only ran the TSH test.

> ______________________

> I keep

> > adjusting my hormones, but my hair continues to fall out,

> ________________

> Estrogen becomes too high in hypothyroidism and estrogen interferes

> with thyroid function by slowing the thryoid down and by making it

> held tightly to protiens in the blood and unavailable to tissues

for

> energy. So, you might want to consider lowering the estrogen for

> now. Treating hypothyroidism usually corrects the high estrogen

> levels over time. But, hypothyroidism causes estrogen dominance.

> ________________

>

> I still get

> > the anxiety off and on, etc.

> ________________

> Sounds like low adrenal function or adrenal fatigue.

> _______________

>

> > Regarding the Armour you speak of...where do you get this???

> Are

> > you saying that my doctor (if I can find one) probably won't

> > prescribe it, but will try to give me a synthetic?

> ______________

> The vast majority of doctors have recieved their training in

thyroid

> treatment from the manufacurers of Synthetic T4. Very few prescribe

> natural thyroid anymore and the big drug companies are working

their

> nickles to the bone trying to deprive everybody of this inexpensive

> very effective treatment. read Gail's Thryoid Tips:

> http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

> _______________

>

> I don't know if

> > I feel strong enough to educate or wrestle with another dr. right

> > now.

> __________________

> Why not call the offices of doctors you've found on the lists above

> and ask tow questions:

>

> -Does the doctor prescribe Armour?

> -Does the doctor adjust thyroid meds by test values only or does

> he/she adjust by symptoms?

> _________________

> TSH -0.830 (range 0.500-4.700 UIU/ML)

> _____________________

> TSH test is pretty meaningless.

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

> ________________________

> > free T3 - 2.8 (range 1.8-4.2 pg/mL)

> ________________________

> Your T3 is below the midline of the range. This indicates thryoid

> treatment not adequate. Thyroid test ranges are skewed downward

> toward hypothyroidism and so you really need to be above the

midline

> or above 3.0 minimum and better if you are in the upper 1/3 of the

> range. Ranges are skewed down due to an overly large percentage of

> people who are hypothyroid being in the groups used to determine

the

> ranges. So, you really need to be in the upper half minimum of the

> ranges.

> ___________________

>

> .....and, free T4 - 1.3 (range 0.8-

> > 1.8 ng/dL).

> __________________________

> You are exactly at the midline of the range. This is notheing to

get

> too excited about. If you are on Synthroid, Levoxyl or oter all T4

> meds, you really need T4 to be at the upper end of the range or

even

> above it. This is needed to get T3 high enough.

> _________________

> Also, I wanted to start the basal temp test this morn.

> > and I don't know if my thermometer is broken or what, but my temp

> was

> > 97.2.

> ___________________

>

> I bet your thermometer is not broken at all. My temp before

> treatment was 97.4. Some people have temps as low as 96 when hypo.

> ______________

>

> Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Kathy. One thing that confuses me--you say you are not on any

thyroid treatment, but you say you are on natural hormones--are you

on natural thyroid hormones?? Or perhaps you are talking about

female hormones??

Most of the symptoms you describe do match hypo symptoms, except the

low weight--but that could just be your genes.

Forget the " in range " results. Those ranges are lousy. What you need

is a FREE T3 and FREE T4 test. Typical docs only do the TSH and T4,

which can tell you nothing. Also, as mentioned, you could need to

test your Ferritin (which is storage iron) and do a 24 hour saliva

adrenal test. ZRT labs in our LINKS section has the latter which you

can do without a prescription. You can also do the thyroid labs from

one of the other labs listed in the LINKS without a prescrip.

Yes, most docs are awful and will try to put you on Synthroid or

Levoxyl or many other SYNTHETIC T4-only meds. They are inadequate

and leave you with symptoms the rest of your life, EVEN THOUGH they

will make your TSH " fall into range. " It's all a bunch of baloney.

Armour comes from pig thyoid--thus the term natural. And, it gives

you exactly what your own thyroid would be giving you--direcgt T4,

T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin--that latter keeps the calcium in your

bones.

The free T3 lab I just noticed that you gave does show you to be

potentially hypo, as does the 97.2 basal temp. My basal on an

adequate amount of Armour puts my basal in the low 98's, and my

afternoon temp is usually right around 98.6.

Where are you located? Perhaps we can recommend a good doc to you.

Janie

>

> I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you.

You'll

> see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

>

> I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

> this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some

of

> you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

> lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

feelings

> of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was

why.

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain from

> drinking coffee???

_______________

Just shoot me if I have to give up my morning strong cup of coffee.

I think that you may need to not drink coffee too close to the time

you take your medication as it may lower the amount absorbed. But,

if you adjust your medication by temps and symptoms, probably you'll

end up taking enough extra to compensate for that lost by coffee.

Drinking a lot of caffeinated beverages can be a sign of adrenal

fatigue and low energy levels. People can crave these things to get

energy.

Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain from

> drinking coffee???

_______________

Just shoot me if I have to give up my morning strong cup of coffee.

I think that you may need to not drink coffee too close to the time

you take your medication as it may lower the amount absorbed. But,

if you adjust your medication by temps and symptoms, probably you'll

end up taking enough extra to compensate for that lost by coffee.

Drinking a lot of caffeinated beverages can be a sign of adrenal

fatigue and low energy levels. People can crave these things to get

energy.

Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain from

> drinking coffee???

_______________

Just shoot me if I have to give up my morning strong cup of coffee.

I think that you may need to not drink coffee too close to the time

you take your medication as it may lower the amount absorbed. But,

if you adjust your medication by temps and symptoms, probably you'll

end up taking enough extra to compensate for that lost by coffee.

Drinking a lot of caffeinated beverages can be a sign of adrenal

fatigue and low energy levels. People can crave these things to get

energy.

Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Janie. Sorry...I meant that I am using nat. hormones for

meno...biest, progesterone and some testosterone. I am located in

Northern (lower) Michigan. I will need to find a fairly good dr.

soon if he/she is going to help me with " things " .

Thanks for being so helpful...I'm feeling a little lost right now.

Kathy

>

> Hi Kathy. One thing that confuses me--you say you are not on any

> thyroid treatment, but you say you are on natural hormones--are you

> on natural thyroid hormones?? Or perhaps you are talking about

> female hormones??

>

> Most of the symptoms you describe do match hypo symptoms, except

the

> low weight--but that could just be your genes.

>

> Forget the " in range " results. Those ranges are lousy. What you

need

> is a FREE T3 and FREE T4 test. Typical docs only do the TSH and T4,

> which can tell you nothing. Also, as mentioned, you could need to

> test your Ferritin (which is storage iron) and do a 24 hour saliva

> adrenal test. ZRT labs in our LINKS section has the latter which

you

> can do without a prescription. You can also do the thyroid labs

from

> one of the other labs listed in the LINKS without a prescrip.

>

> Yes, most docs are awful and will try to put you on Synthroid or

> Levoxyl or many other SYNTHETIC T4-only meds. They are inadequate

> and leave you with symptoms the rest of your life, EVEN THOUGH they

> will make your TSH " fall into range. " It's all a bunch of baloney.

>

> Armour comes from pig thyoid--thus the term natural. And, it gives

> you exactly what your own thyroid would be giving you--direcgt T4,

> T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin--that latter keeps the calcium in your

> bones.

>

> The free T3 lab I just noticed that you gave does show you to be

> potentially hypo, as does the 97.2 basal temp. My basal on an

> adequate amount of Armour puts my basal in the low 98's, and my

> afternoon temp is usually right around 98.6.

>

> Where are you located? Perhaps we can recommend a good doc to you.

>

> Janie

>

> >

> > I'll apologize in advance for the poor intro I'm giving you.

> You'll

> > see that I really need your help and all the info I can handle :)

> >

> > I'm currently not on any thyroid treatment...I don't even know at

> > this point if I need it or not. I AM on nat. hormones like some

> of

> > you are and am still struggling after 2+ yrs. to find relief that

> > lasts. I'm 46 and am having a tough time dealing with ongoing

> > hairloss, anxiety, depression, low body weight, low libido,

> feelings

> > of doom, itchy skin, etc., etc. I'm feeling cold a lot (hands,

> > feet), but since I live in a cold climate...I thought that was

> why.

> >

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Tish.

Me, TOO! I love my strong morning cup of coffee! I don't really

drink much of any other caffeinated beverages...my main drink is

water.

Thierry Hertoghe said something about it causing increased aggitation

if you are using Armour (I think). That's ALL I need! I'll have to

read more carefully next time. I was skimming through his book when

I got it. Scared me half to death.

Kathy

>

> Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain

from

> > drinking coffee???

> _______________

> Just shoot me if I have to give up my morning strong cup of coffee.

> I think that you may need to not drink coffee too close to the time

> you take your medication as it may lower the amount absorbed. But,

> if you adjust your medication by temps and symptoms, probably

you'll

> end up taking enough extra to compensate for that lost by coffee.

>

> Drinking a lot of caffeinated beverages can be a sign of adrenal

> fatigue and low energy levels. People can crave these things to get

> energy.

>

> Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Tish.

Me, TOO! I love my strong morning cup of coffee! I don't really

drink much of any other caffeinated beverages...my main drink is

water.

Thierry Hertoghe said something about it causing increased aggitation

if you are using Armour (I think). That's ALL I need! I'll have to

read more carefully next time. I was skimming through his book when

I got it. Scared me half to death.

Kathy

>

> Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain

from

> > drinking coffee???

> _______________

> Just shoot me if I have to give up my morning strong cup of coffee.

> I think that you may need to not drink coffee too close to the time

> you take your medication as it may lower the amount absorbed. But,

> if you adjust your medication by temps and symptoms, probably

you'll

> end up taking enough extra to compensate for that lost by coffee.

>

> Drinking a lot of caffeinated beverages can be a sign of adrenal

> fatigue and low energy levels. People can crave these things to get

> energy.

>

> Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Hi Tish.

Me, TOO! I love my strong morning cup of coffee! I don't really

drink much of any other caffeinated beverages...my main drink is

water.

Thierry Hertoghe said something about it causing increased aggitation

if you are using Armour (I think). That's ALL I need! I'll have to

read more carefully next time. I was skimming through his book when

I got it. Scared me half to death.

Kathy

>

> Is it true that if you take the Armour that you have to refrain

from

> > drinking coffee???

> _______________

> Just shoot me if I have to give up my morning strong cup of coffee.

> I think that you may need to not drink coffee too close to the time

> you take your medication as it may lower the amount absorbed. But,

> if you adjust your medication by temps and symptoms, probably

you'll

> end up taking enough extra to compensate for that lost by coffee.

>

> Drinking a lot of caffeinated beverages can be a sign of adrenal

> fatigue and low energy levels. People can crave these things to get

> energy.

>

> Tish

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

before I was dxed it appears that the hashi increased my weight loss. I wish

that phase would come back again

Re: Re: Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

In a message dated 2/18/2005 10:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@...jamyrogers@...> writes:

> Not able to gain weight is NOT a symptom of hypo.

>

actually...this was a problem of mine in the years before being

diagnosed..being a few pounds underweight. i'm not sure exactly what caused

it...but i'm

guessing it was malabsoption (not absorbing nutrients) from digestive tract

damage from long term hypo.

cindi

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

before I was dxed it appears that the hashi increased my weight loss. I wish

that phase would come back again

Re: Re: Hi Everyone - I'm new, too!

In a message dated 2/18/2005 10:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jamyrogers@...jamyrogers@...> writes:

> Not able to gain weight is NOT a symptom of hypo.

>

actually...this was a problem of mine in the years before being

diagnosed..being a few pounds underweight. i'm not sure exactly what caused

it...but i'm

guessing it was malabsoption (not absorbing nutrients) from digestive tract

damage from long term hypo.

cindi

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...