Re: cytomel (was:*TISH (or others)- question

[Guest guest]

I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than previously

thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is totally inadequate.

Check this out:

Recently, Biotest Laboratories has released a very interesting product that they

are calling T2 (otherwise known as 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine or just

diiodothyronine). T2 is definitely a legitimate thyroid hormone, structurally

very like T3 or T4. However this product is allowed to be sold as an over the

counter dietary supplement due to the fact that is present in meat.

In the past, T2 was thought to be inactive, but many recent papers have shown T2

to have some pretty dramatic effects on metabolic processes. One issue of

concern in the interpretation of this data is the fact most of these studies

used hypothyroid rats that are producing very little thyroid hormone on their

own. Therefore since these studies did not examine the effects of adding T2 into

a normal thyroidal environment, they may not be totally applicable to

individuals with normal thyroid functioning. In any case, the studies are

certainly worth mentioning.

- Significant increases in mitochondrial respiration and cytochrome

oxidase activity were found both in vitro and in vivo (1). These

increases lead to an increase in metabolic rate. Interestingly, these

effects are different from those of T3 and T4 due to the fact that T2

acts directly on the mitochondrial respiration while T3 and T4 must

first increase oxidative enzyme levels. This means that T2 has a much

more rapid stimulation of metabolic rate (1 hour for T2 vs 24 hours

for T3). Some authors have concluded that T2 may be beneficial in

rapid energy requiring situations like cold exposure or overfeeding

(2).

- Significant increases in resting metabolic rate (33%) were found

(1,3). Both T2 and T3 were able to stimulate the recovery of

metabolic rate to normal, euthyroid levels.

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/supplementation/t2.htm

Re: Re: cytomel (was:*TISH (or others)-

question

>>The downsides of all T3 replacment are just as big as all T4

replacement. <<

Oh I agree! I have tried both, and I felt rotten on either! I firmly suspect

the other components in Armour are undervalued for their therapeutic values!

Either that or the T3 in Armour is just better utilized. When I could not find

Armour nor get a prescription, I tried eve a combo of Synthetic T4 and T3 mixing

my own to imitate the same proportions in Armour that I had done well on. Didn't

work! I was either hypo or hyper or just felt lousy.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than previously

thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is totally inadequate.

Check this out:

Recently, Biotest Laboratories has released a very interesting product that they

are calling T2 (otherwise known as 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine or just

diiodothyronine). T2 is definitely a legitimate thyroid hormone, structurally

very like T3 or T4. However this product is allowed to be sold as an over the

counter dietary supplement due to the fact that is present in meat.

In the past, T2 was thought to be inactive, but many recent papers have shown T2

to have some pretty dramatic effects on metabolic processes. One issue of

concern in the interpretation of this data is the fact most of these studies

used hypothyroid rats that are producing very little thyroid hormone on their

own. Therefore since these studies did not examine the effects of adding T2 into

a normal thyroidal environment, they may not be totally applicable to

individuals with normal thyroid functioning. In any case, the studies are

certainly worth mentioning.

- Significant increases in mitochondrial respiration and cytochrome

oxidase activity were found both in vitro and in vivo (1). These

increases lead to an increase in metabolic rate. Interestingly, these

effects are different from those of T3 and T4 due to the fact that T2

acts directly on the mitochondrial respiration while T3 and T4 must

first increase oxidative enzyme levels. This means that T2 has a much

more rapid stimulation of metabolic rate (1 hour for T2 vs 24 hours

for T3). Some authors have concluded that T2 may be beneficial in

rapid energy requiring situations like cold exposure or overfeeding

(2).

- Significant increases in resting metabolic rate (33%) were found

(1,3). Both T2 and T3 were able to stimulate the recovery of

metabolic rate to normal, euthyroid levels.

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/supplementation/t2.htm

Re: Re: cytomel (was:*TISH (or others)-

question

>>The downsides of all T3 replacment are just as big as all T4

replacement. <<

Oh I agree! I have tried both, and I felt rotten on either! I firmly suspect

the other components in Armour are undervalued for their therapeutic values!

Either that or the T3 in Armour is just better utilized. When I could not find

Armour nor get a prescription, I tried eve a combo of Synthetic T4 and T3 mixing

my own to imitate the same proportions in Armour that I had done well on. Didn't

work! I was either hypo or hyper or just felt lousy.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than previously

thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is totally inadequate.

Check this out:

Recently, Biotest Laboratories has released a very interesting product that they

are calling T2 (otherwise known as 3,5-diiodo-l-thyronine or just

diiodothyronine). T2 is definitely a legitimate thyroid hormone, structurally

very like T3 or T4. However this product is allowed to be sold as an over the

counter dietary supplement due to the fact that is present in meat.

In the past, T2 was thought to be inactive, but many recent papers have shown T2

to have some pretty dramatic effects on metabolic processes. One issue of

concern in the interpretation of this data is the fact most of these studies

used hypothyroid rats that are producing very little thyroid hormone on their

own. Therefore since these studies did not examine the effects of adding T2 into

a normal thyroidal environment, they may not be totally applicable to

individuals with normal thyroid functioning. In any case, the studies are

certainly worth mentioning.

- Significant increases in mitochondrial respiration and cytochrome

oxidase activity were found both in vitro and in vivo (1). These

increases lead to an increase in metabolic rate. Interestingly, these

effects are different from those of T3 and T4 due to the fact that T2

acts directly on the mitochondrial respiration while T3 and T4 must

first increase oxidative enzyme levels. This means that T2 has a much

more rapid stimulation of metabolic rate (1 hour for T2 vs 24 hours

for T3). Some authors have concluded that T2 may be beneficial in

rapid energy requiring situations like cold exposure or overfeeding

(2).

- Significant increases in resting metabolic rate (33%) were found

(1,3). Both T2 and T3 were able to stimulate the recovery of

metabolic rate to normal, euthyroid levels.

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/supplementation/t2.htm

Re: Re: cytomel (was:*TISH (or others)-

question

>>The downsides of all T3 replacment are just as big as all T4

replacement. <<

Oh I agree! I have tried both, and I felt rotten on either! I firmly suspect

the other components in Armour are undervalued for their therapeutic values!

Either that or the T3 in Armour is just better utilized. When I could not find

Armour nor get a prescription, I tried eve a combo of Synthetic T4 and T3 mixing

my own to imitate the same proportions in Armour that I had done well on. Didn't

work! I was either hypo or hyper or just felt lousy.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/2005 8:49:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wolfiebear@... writes:

> Just a tiny nibble, right? And this is pretty safe for me to try?

>

inga...i have started doing this...and doing a 1/2 of a 25 mcg. scared me to

do it. but it was just fine. the worse that might happen i think is a bit

of feeling like you're on some " speed " - not that i would have any way of

knowing how that felt of course.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/2005 8:49:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

wolfiebear@... writes:

> Just a tiny nibble, right? And this is pretty safe for me to try?

>

inga...i have started doing this...and doing a 1/2 of a 25 mcg. scared me to

do it. but it was just fine. the worse that might happen i think is a bit

of feeling like you're on some " speed " - not that i would have any way of

knowing how that felt of course.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/2005 10:51:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

klb58@... writes:

> where are you getting this?

>

what i have came from a mexican pharmacy that is no more...valerie...i can't

find where you sent me the info on this...can you resend to me and my little

sis. thanks

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/2005 10:51:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

klb58@... writes:

> where are you getting this?

>

what i have came from a mexican pharmacy that is no more...valerie...i can't

find where you sent me the info on this...can you resend to me and my little

sis. thanks

cindi

[Guest guest]

Well, I don't HAVE any energy, or gumption to do anything, but this just

sounds like it would be a good thing for me to try.

Just a tiny nibble, right? And this is pretty safe for me to try?

~Inga

>

>>> Dr. Ray Peat has suggested

> that some people nibble on a cytomel tablet all day as a way to keep

> T3 levels constant <<

>

> That is SO true! The Cytomel I take I take in four doses but I have a bottle

> of Cytomel at work at all times. If I feel a slump in energy starting due to

> extra stress or just plain ornery dogs to groom or huge dogs, I take a bit

> more and it is gone within 10

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Cindi!

~Inga

>

>> Just a tiny nibble, right? And this is pretty safe for me to try?

>>

>

> inga...i have started doing this...and doing a 1/2 of a 25 mcg. scared me to

> do it. but it was just fine. the worse that might happen i think is a bit

> of feeling like you're on some " speed " - not that i would have any way of

> knowing how that felt of course.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Cindi!

~Inga

>

>> Just a tiny nibble, right? And this is pretty safe for me to try?

>>

>

> inga...i have started doing this...and doing a 1/2 of a 25 mcg. scared me to

> do it. but it was just fine. the worse that might happen i think is a bit

> of feeling like you're on some " speed " - not that i would have any way of

> knowing how that felt of course.

> cindi

[Guest guest]

Many doctors who prescribe only T3 for some patients use timed

release T3, specially compounded for them. I have used this when I

was on all T3. There is a lot of controversy about the timed release

part. The agents used to make it timed resease are said to not

release the T3 evenly or at all. But, I found it worked just fine.

So, some doctors don't use timed release because they don't believe

in it.

The downsides of all T3 replacment are just as big as all T4

replacement.

Tish

[Guest guest]

>>The downsides of all T3 replacment are just as big as all T4

replacement. <<

Oh I agree! I have tried both, and I felt rotten on either! I firmly suspect the

other components in Armour are undervalued for their therapeutic values! Either

that or the T3 in Armour is just better utilized. When I could not find Armour

nor get a prescription, I tried eve a combo of Synthetic T4 and T3 mixing my own

to imitate the same proportions in Armour that I had done well on. Didn't work!

I was either hypo or hyper or just felt lousy.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>The downsides of all T3 replacment are just as big as all T4

replacement. <<

Oh I agree! I have tried both, and I felt rotten on either! I firmly suspect the

other components in Armour are undervalued for their therapeutic values! Either

that or the T3 in Armour is just better utilized. When I could not find Armour

nor get a prescription, I tried eve a combo of Synthetic T4 and T3 mixing my own

to imitate the same proportions in Armour that I had done well on. Didn't work!

I was either hypo or hyper or just felt lousy.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>The downsides of all T3 replacment are just as big as all T4

replacement. <<

Oh I agree! I have tried both, and I felt rotten on either! I firmly suspect the

other components in Armour are undervalued for their therapeutic values! Either

that or the T3 in Armour is just better utilized. When I could not find Armour

nor get a prescription, I tried eve a combo of Synthetic T4 and T3 mixing my own

to imitate the same proportions in Armour that I had done well on. Didn't work!

I was either hypo or hyper or just felt lousy.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Well it makes more sense to me to get your T's in a more natural format

which seems to be Armour. I had a doctor tell me that there aren't any

studies that prove that timed release is necessary. It kills me that

someone would be that stupid, does your thyroid dump its load once per day.

isn't on the right track either because he is treating with just

T3, but at least he paid attention to the fact that his thyroid patients

that were on a once perday medication were calling him all of time about

side effects! The doctors want everything done so scientific, I can just

hear them if they knew you were cutting up tablets and taking your meds

throughout the day. LOL Ha Ha !!! LOL

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/2005 5:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> Are many of us missing tonsils?

>

they yanked mine out at age 5. that was the thing to do back in the 50s and

early 60s i think.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/2005 5:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> Are many of us missing tonsils?

>

they yanked mine out at age 5. that was the thing to do back in the 50s and

early 60s i think.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/2005 5:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> Are many of us missing tonsils?

>

they yanked mine out at age 5. that was the thing to do back in the 50s and

early 60s i think.

cindi

[Guest guest]

>>I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than previously

thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is totally inadequate.

Check this out:<<

Thanks for this info Laurie! I guess I will have to start researching T2 now.. I

wonder if T1 really is just a byproduct as they say too... Bet not! It just

amazes me how when medical science can;t actually SEE something they assume it

isn't doing anything.. like our tonsils...

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than previously

thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is totally inadequate.

Check this out:<<

Thanks for this info Laurie! I guess I will have to start researching T2 now.. I

wonder if T1 really is just a byproduct as they say too... Bet not! It just

amazes me how when medical science can;t actually SEE something they assume it

isn't doing anything.. like our tonsils...

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than previously

thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is totally inadequate.

Check this out:<<

Thanks for this info Laurie! I guess I will have to start researching T2 now.. I

wonder if T1 really is just a byproduct as they say too... Bet not! It just

amazes me how when medical science can;t actually SEE something they assume it

isn't doing anything.. like our tonsils...

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/2005 6:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

>

> New Poll have you had your tonsils removed, if so when?

>

i just voted...and the results so far are amazing.

cindi

[Guest guest]

I believe that BioTest is no longer making T2, but another

supplement company is. You can look for it on bodybuilding.com. It

is moderately expensive - $20-30 a month - and comes with a warning

not to use it longer than six weeks or you will face down-regulation

of your natural thyroid - if you have one.

Cheers,

Friday

> >>I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than

previously thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is

totally inadequate. Check this out:<<

>

> Thanks for this info Laurie! I guess I will have to start

researching T2 now.. I wonder if T1 really is just a byproduct as

they say too... Bet not! It just amazes me how when medical science

can;t actually SEE something they assume it isn't doing anything..

like our tonsils...

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that BioTest is no longer making T2, but another

supplement company is. You can look for it on bodybuilding.com. It

is moderately expensive - $20-30 a month - and comes with a warning

not to use it longer than six weeks or you will face down-regulation

of your natural thyroid - if you have one.

Cheers,

Friday

> >>I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than

previously thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is

totally inadequate. Check this out:<<

>

> Thanks for this info Laurie! I guess I will have to start

researching T2 now.. I wonder if T1 really is just a byproduct as

they say too... Bet not! It just amazes me how when medical science

can;t actually SEE something they assume it isn't doing anything..

like our tonsils...

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that BioTest is no longer making T2, but another

supplement company is. You can look for it on bodybuilding.com. It

is moderately expensive - $20-30 a month - and comes with a warning

not to use it longer than six weeks or you will face down-regulation

of your natural thyroid - if you have one.

Cheers,

Friday

> >>I think they're finding that T2 has more therapeutic value than

previously thought. The more I read the more I think straight T4 is

totally inadequate. Check this out:<<

>

> Thanks for this info Laurie! I guess I will have to start

researching T2 now.. I wonder if T1 really is just a byproduct as

they say too... Bet not! It just amazes me how when medical science

can;t actually SEE something they assume it isn't doing anything..

like our tonsils...

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>