Guest guest Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 I thought that this paper was interesting .... NMR Biomed. 2008 Dec 9. [Epub ahead of print] Absence of glycochenodeoxycholic acid (GCDCA) in human bile is an indication of cholestasis: a (1)H MRS study. Ijare OB, Bezabeh T, Albiin N, Arnelo U, Bergquist A, Lindberg B, IC NRC Institute for Biodiagnostics, Winnipeg, Canada. The utility of (1)H MR spectroscopy in detecting chronic cholestasis has been investigated. The amide proton region of the (1)H MR spectrum of human bile plays a major role in differentiating cholestatic (Ch) patterns from the normal ones. Bile obtained from normal bile ducts contains both taurine and glycine conjugates of bile acids - cholic acid (CA), chenodeoxycholic acid (CDCA), and deoxycholic acid (DCA). Absence of a glycine-conjugated bile acid glycochenodeoxycholic acid (GCDCA) has been observed in bile samples obtained from primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC) patients. A total of 32 patients with various hepatobiliary diseases were included in the study. Twenty-one patients had PSC and 11 had normal cholangiograms. One PSC patient was excluded from the study because of a bad spectrum. Seventeen out of the 20 PSC patients showed an absence of GCDCA in their (1)H MR spectrum of bile. Six of the 11 reference patients with normal cholangiogram also showed spectra similar to those of PSC, indicating the possibility of cholestasis. DQF-COSY and TOCSY experiments performed on bile samples from PSC patients also revealed absence of phosphatidylcholine (PC) in some of the bile samples, suggesting possible damage to the cholangiocytes by the toxic bile. These observations suggest that analysis of human bile by (1)H MRS could be of value in the diagnosis of chronic Ch liver disorders. PMID: 19067402. Best regards, Dave (father of (23), PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Is this GCDCA bile the one Urso is meant to replace or stimulate? ee > > I thought that this paper was interesting .... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Is this GCDCA bile the one Urso is meant to replace or stimulate? ee > > I thought that this paper was interesting .... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hi ee, Yes,I think the urso would be replacing this. When urso is supplied to PSC patients, the urso (UDCA) gets rapidly converted mostly to its glycine-conjugate, as described in this paper: Hepatology. 2004 Sep;40(3):693-8. Effect of high-dose ursodeoxycholic acid on its biliary enrichment in primary sclerosing cholangitis. Rost D, Rudolph G, Kloeters-Plachky P, Stiehl A Department of Medicine, University of Heidelberg, Heidelberg, Germany. Ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) has beneficial effects in cholestatic liver diseases. In primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC), there is evidence that high doses (+/- 20 mg/kg) of UDCA may be more effective than average doses. Biliary enrichment of UDCA at such high doses may represent the decisive factor for its beneficial effect. Up to now it is not clear how high-dose UDCA correlates with its biliary enrichment and whether bacterial degradation of large amounts of UDCA may lead to an increased bacterial formation of more toxic hydrophobic bile acids. We determined the biliary bile acid composition in 56 patients with PSC including 30 patients with repeat bile samples treated with various doses of UDCA. At a UDCA dose of 10- 13 mg/kg/d (n = 18) biliary UDCA represented 43.1% + 0.3% (mean + SD) of total bile acids; at a UDCA dose of 14-17 mg/kg (n = 14), its biliary content increased to 46.9% + 0.3%, at 18-21 mg/kg (n = 34) to 55.9% + 0.2%, at 22-25 mg/kg (n = 12) to 58.6% + 2.3%, and at 26-32 mg/kg (n = 8) to 57.7% + 0.4%. During UDCA treatment, the biliary content of all other bile acids was unchanged or decreased. In conclusion, biliary enrichment of UDCA increases with increasing dose and reaches a plateau at 22-25 mg/kg. There was no increase of toxic hydrophobic bile acids. If biliary enrichment of UDCA represents the decisive factor for its clinical effect, it seems likely that UDCA doses of up to 22-25 mg/kg may be more effective than lower doses. PMID: 15349909 Full text article available at: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/109606288/PDFSTART " When administered orally, unconjugated UDCA on the first pass through the liver is rapidly conjugated with glycine or taurine.46 After UDCA, bile was mainly enriched with the glycine conjugate of UDCA, and at very high UDCA doses this percentage increased only a little (Table 3). " Best regards, Dave (father of (23); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > Is this GCDCA bile the one Urso is meant to replace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hi ee, Yes,I think the urso would be replacing this. When urso is supplied to PSC patients, the urso (UDCA) gets rapidly converted mostly to its glycine-conjugate, as described in this paper: Hepatology. 2004 Sep;40(3):693-8. Effect of high-dose ursodeoxycholic acid on its biliary enrichment in primary sclerosing cholangitis. Rost D, Rudolph G, Kloeters-Plachky P, Stiehl A Department of Medicine, University of Heidelberg, Heidelberg, Germany. Ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) has beneficial effects in cholestatic liver diseases. In primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC), there is evidence that high doses (+/- 20 mg/kg) of UDCA may be more effective than average doses. Biliary enrichment of UDCA at such high doses may represent the decisive factor for its beneficial effect. Up to now it is not clear how high-dose UDCA correlates with its biliary enrichment and whether bacterial degradation of large amounts of UDCA may lead to an increased bacterial formation of more toxic hydrophobic bile acids. We determined the biliary bile acid composition in 56 patients with PSC including 30 patients with repeat bile samples treated with various doses of UDCA. At a UDCA dose of 10- 13 mg/kg/d (n = 18) biliary UDCA represented 43.1% + 0.3% (mean + SD) of total bile acids; at a UDCA dose of 14-17 mg/kg (n = 14), its biliary content increased to 46.9% + 0.3%, at 18-21 mg/kg (n = 34) to 55.9% + 0.2%, at 22-25 mg/kg (n = 12) to 58.6% + 2.3%, and at 26-32 mg/kg (n = 8) to 57.7% + 0.4%. During UDCA treatment, the biliary content of all other bile acids was unchanged or decreased. In conclusion, biliary enrichment of UDCA increases with increasing dose and reaches a plateau at 22-25 mg/kg. There was no increase of toxic hydrophobic bile acids. If biliary enrichment of UDCA represents the decisive factor for its clinical effect, it seems likely that UDCA doses of up to 22-25 mg/kg may be more effective than lower doses. PMID: 15349909 Full text article available at: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/109606288/PDFSTART " When administered orally, unconjugated UDCA on the first pass through the liver is rapidly conjugated with glycine or taurine.46 After UDCA, bile was mainly enriched with the glycine conjugate of UDCA, and at very high UDCA doses this percentage increased only a little (Table 3). " Best regards, Dave (father of (23); PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > Is this GCDCA bile the one Urso is meant to replace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Thanks for posting this . Braden had mass spectrometry done that showed very little of the normal bile acids so it is thought that he has to stay on ursodiol treatments forever and that it would be dangerous for him to go without it for even a few days. I will look for the report to see exactly what it said. Lori lucky mom blessed with triplets > > I thought that this paper was interesting .... > > NMR Biomed. 2008 Dec 9. [Epub ahead of print] > > Absence of glycochenodeoxycholic acid (GCDCA) in human bile is an > indication of cholestasis: a (1)H MRS study. > > Ijare OB, Bezabeh T, Albiin N, Arnelo U, Bergquist A, Lindberg B, > IC > > NRC Institute for Biodiagnostics, Winnipeg, Canada. > > The utility of (1)H MR spectroscopy in detecting chronic cholestasis > has been investigated. The amide proton region of the (1)H MR > spectrum of human bile plays a major role in differentiating > cholestatic (Ch) patterns from the normal ones. Bile obtained from > normal bile ducts contains both taurine and glycine conjugates of > bile acids - cholic acid (CA), chenodeoxycholic acid (CDCA), and > deoxycholic acid (DCA). Absence of a glycine-conjugated bile acid > glycochenodeoxycholic acid (GCDCA) has been observed in bile samples > obtained from primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC) patients. A total > of 32 patients with various hepatobiliary diseases were included in > the study. Twenty-one patients had PSC and 11 had normal > cholangiograms. One PSC patient was excluded from the study because > of a bad spectrum. Seventeen out of the 20 PSC patients showed an > absence of GCDCA in their (1)H MR spectrum of bile. Six of the 11 > reference patients with normal cholangiogram also showed spectra > similar to those of PSC, indicating the possibility of cholestasis. > DQF-COSY and TOCSY experiments performed on bile samples from PSC > patients also revealed absence of phosphatidylcholine (PC) in some of > the bile samples, suggesting possible damage to the cholangiocytes by > the toxic bile. These observations suggest that analysis of human > bile by (1)H MRS could be of value in the diagnosis of chronic Ch > liver disorders. PMID: 19067402. > > Best regards, > > Dave > (father of (23), PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Thanks for posting this . Braden had mass spectrometry done that showed very little of the normal bile acids so it is thought that he has to stay on ursodiol treatments forever and that it would be dangerous for him to go without it for even a few days. I will look for the report to see exactly what it said. Lori lucky mom blessed with triplets > > I thought that this paper was interesting .... > > NMR Biomed. 2008 Dec 9. [Epub ahead of print] > > Absence of glycochenodeoxycholic acid (GCDCA) in human bile is an > indication of cholestasis: a (1)H MRS study. > > Ijare OB, Bezabeh T, Albiin N, Arnelo U, Bergquist A, Lindberg B, > IC > > NRC Institute for Biodiagnostics, Winnipeg, Canada. > > The utility of (1)H MR spectroscopy in detecting chronic cholestasis > has been investigated. The amide proton region of the (1)H MR > spectrum of human bile plays a major role in differentiating > cholestatic (Ch) patterns from the normal ones. Bile obtained from > normal bile ducts contains both taurine and glycine conjugates of > bile acids - cholic acid (CA), chenodeoxycholic acid (CDCA), and > deoxycholic acid (DCA). Absence of a glycine-conjugated bile acid > glycochenodeoxycholic acid (GCDCA) has been observed in bile samples > obtained from primary sclerosing cholangitis (PSC) patients. A total > of 32 patients with various hepatobiliary diseases were included in > the study. Twenty-one patients had PSC and 11 had normal > cholangiograms. One PSC patient was excluded from the study because > of a bad spectrum. Seventeen out of the 20 PSC patients showed an > absence of GCDCA in their (1)H MR spectrum of bile. Six of the 11 > reference patients with normal cholangiogram also showed spectra > similar to those of PSC, indicating the possibility of cholestasis. > DQF-COSY and TOCSY experiments performed on bile samples from PSC > patients also revealed absence of phosphatidylcholine (PC) in some of > the bile samples, suggesting possible damage to the cholangiocytes by > the toxic bile. These observations suggest that analysis of human > bile by (1)H MRS could be of value in the diagnosis of chronic Ch > liver disorders. PMID: 19067402. > > Best regards, > > Dave > (father of (23), PSC 07/03; UC 08/03) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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