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Hello Allicia,

Sounds like the doctor wants you to continue being his patient:) And to increase

your protein intake. This can be done on a fruit and veggie diet. Increase

your beans and lentils, whey milk and wild yams is very good also. Green

veggies can also increase your protein level just not as fast as the others.

And red meat I can handle but only wild game. I read where red meat in the

store has 5 synthetic drugs added to make it look more red and appetizing to us.

I am thrilled for you parents!! What a rush it must be for them to be older and

to actually increase their health!!! Praise God!! Your Mom sounds soooo cute!!

And I can see her sneaking those yummy chocolate chip cookies!

lol....lol

Mick

Allicia21@... wrote: In a message dated 08/05/2002 7:44:50 AM US Eastern

Standard Time,

paulafayem@... writes:

> lessened my red meat intake

I just got my tests results back from Rheumy today...she is claiming that my

platelets are low...she said she isn't sure why, because RA factor isn't back

yet, however I can not take Iron any kind at all...I get very very

sick....severe tummy cramps, the poo's and I even HURL :o*(

So she tells me I need to eat more red meat....I totally disagree with this.

I have almost cut out all meat...Will occasionally eat chicken (can't stand

fish) Everything I read says get rid of meat, dairy...and much more. What are

your input on this?

Allicia

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In a message dated 8/6/02 7:26:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mickness36@... writes:

> Hello Pat:)

> When I first started the diet I did what is called a " cleansing diet or

> elimination diet " . It consisted only of fresh fruit, fresh fruit juice,

> and water. It is reccommended that a person do this diet for at 7 days. I

> was very skinny when I started so I could only do it for 3 days, but it was

> enough to clean out my system. By the end of the 3 days I was able to walk

> without my cane or any support at all. That is when I started walking. I

> was able to walk only 1 mile at first but I walked it as fast as I could

> and pushed myself as hard as I could. I was very scared at first to

> excercise because before any increase in activity at all increased my pain

> level. But I had faith that this was it, besides, I tried everything over

> the years so what did I have to lose.

> After the 3 days I then switched to the fruit and veggie diet only. I

> tried as much as possible to stick to only fresh raw fruits and veggies. I

> did this diet for 2 weeks. By the end of these 2 weeks I was walking over

> 2 miles a day. I was able to walk fast enough that my husband couldn't

> keep up with me. Wow! What a rush that was!! The hardest part for me at

> that time was getting fresh air and sunshine because it was the deep part

> of the winter here! But I did it, whether or not there was 5 feet of snow

> on the ground.

> After that 2 weeks I then introduced whole grains to my diet. I was able

> to eat all the fresh fruit and veggies but also added pasta, fish, white

> chicken meat, and steamed veggies.. I read all the labels on anything

> canned, frozen etc. Avoid anything that has Monosodium glutamate, all

> white sugars, white flour, anything ending in -trose, and also there are

> numerous other chemicals added to foods, so avoid anything that is

> processed!!!

> By that point in my diet I was walking 4 miles a day and I started 20

> minutes of low impact excercise. At first I couldn't even do 1/4 of the

> suggested reps but I stayed with it every day. Even when I didn't want to

> do it.

> That is the diet I pretty much stay with now. I have been on that diet for

> over 6 months now. After being on that diet for about 1 month I

> experienced my first symptom free day. Wow was that incredible! Something

> I never ever believed would happen. I have had 0 relapses. Now I also eat

> wild game in addition to the above diet. I have found that it is not seem

> to be meat that will cause me to have symptoms again, it is PROCESSED

> FOODS. If I have anything processed at all, within 18 hours I have

> symptoms. The symptoms are never debilitating but they are enough to let

> me know that processed foods....all of them.....have to removed from our

> diet.

> Now I do 40 minutes on the " stairstepper " , 15 minutes of weight lifting,

> and 15 minutes of low impact excercise. I have been planning to add

> jogging in to.....but have been procrastinating on starting. But I will one

> day. If I go one day without excercise, I feel it!!

> The hardest part about my diet now is finding variety. I just got a few

> veggie cookbooks so hopefully I will find more wonderful ways to add

> variety to my diet.

> I never realized the healing properties in fruits and veggies. Now I have

> no doubt about what they can do for us.I hope this answers your questions

> Pat, but if not, I will help any way that I can:) I wish you the best of

> luck, and I know it will change your life!

> One last thing. As soon as possible all medications have to be stopped.

> That was the scariest for me and it took me awhile to finally do it. See

> what happens is the medications the docs put us on are synthetic drugs.

> These drugs build up to toxic levels in our bodies. These toxins are

> stored in our bodies, but mainly in our muscles. So if we continue on our

> diet, but never stop the meds.....we are just spinning our wheels and it

> will never work the way it should.

> Peace and blessings to you always Pat,

> Mick

>

Thanks so much for the info Mick! I am going to do my best. I am not sure

about going off the meds, though, as I take them for a number of conditions

and I don't know if it would be safe to go off them totally. I have

diabetes, hypertension, hypothyroidism, allergies, ...just to name a few! I

am definitely going to try increasing the fruits, vegetables, and whole

grains and cut out all the processed foods. Hopefully that will make a big

difference....thanks again!

BTW...does anyone else have big time problems with heel pain? Mine can be

excruciating....the bottom of the heel and the back of the heel. I am going

to the podiatrist tomorrow to check it out.

Hugs,

Pat

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In a message dated 8/6/02 7:26:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mickness36@... writes:

> Hello Pat:)

> When I first started the diet I did what is called a " cleansing diet or

> elimination diet " . It consisted only of fresh fruit, fresh fruit juice,

> and water. It is reccommended that a person do this diet for at 7 days. I

> was very skinny when I started so I could only do it for 3 days, but it was

> enough to clean out my system. By the end of the 3 days I was able to walk

> without my cane or any support at all. That is when I started walking. I

> was able to walk only 1 mile at first but I walked it as fast as I could

> and pushed myself as hard as I could. I was very scared at first to

> excercise because before any increase in activity at all increased my pain

> level. But I had faith that this was it, besides, I tried everything over

> the years so what did I have to lose.

> After the 3 days I then switched to the fruit and veggie diet only. I

> tried as much as possible to stick to only fresh raw fruits and veggies. I

> did this diet for 2 weeks. By the end of these 2 weeks I was walking over

> 2 miles a day. I was able to walk fast enough that my husband couldn't

> keep up with me. Wow! What a rush that was!! The hardest part for me at

> that time was getting fresh air and sunshine because it was the deep part

> of the winter here! But I did it, whether or not there was 5 feet of snow

> on the ground.

> After that 2 weeks I then introduced whole grains to my diet. I was able

> to eat all the fresh fruit and veggies but also added pasta, fish, white

> chicken meat, and steamed veggies.. I read all the labels on anything

> canned, frozen etc. Avoid anything that has Monosodium glutamate, all

> white sugars, white flour, anything ending in -trose, and also there are

> numerous other chemicals added to foods, so avoid anything that is

> processed!!!

> By that point in my diet I was walking 4 miles a day and I started 20

> minutes of low impact excercise. At first I couldn't even do 1/4 of the

> suggested reps but I stayed with it every day. Even when I didn't want to

> do it.

> That is the diet I pretty much stay with now. I have been on that diet for

> over 6 months now. After being on that diet for about 1 month I

> experienced my first symptom free day. Wow was that incredible! Something

> I never ever believed would happen. I have had 0 relapses. Now I also eat

> wild game in addition to the above diet. I have found that it is not seem

> to be meat that will cause me to have symptoms again, it is PROCESSED

> FOODS. If I have anything processed at all, within 18 hours I have

> symptoms. The symptoms are never debilitating but they are enough to let

> me know that processed foods....all of them.....have to removed from our

> diet.

> Now I do 40 minutes on the " stairstepper " , 15 minutes of weight lifting,

> and 15 minutes of low impact excercise. I have been planning to add

> jogging in to.....but have been procrastinating on starting. But I will one

> day. If I go one day without excercise, I feel it!!

> The hardest part about my diet now is finding variety. I just got a few

> veggie cookbooks so hopefully I will find more wonderful ways to add

> variety to my diet.

> I never realized the healing properties in fruits and veggies. Now I have

> no doubt about what they can do for us.I hope this answers your questions

> Pat, but if not, I will help any way that I can:) I wish you the best of

> luck, and I know it will change your life!

> One last thing. As soon as possible all medications have to be stopped.

> That was the scariest for me and it took me awhile to finally do it. See

> what happens is the medications the docs put us on are synthetic drugs.

> These drugs build up to toxic levels in our bodies. These toxins are

> stored in our bodies, but mainly in our muscles. So if we continue on our

> diet, but never stop the meds.....we are just spinning our wheels and it

> will never work the way it should.

> Peace and blessings to you always Pat,

> Mick

>

Thanks so much for the info Mick! I am going to do my best. I am not sure

about going off the meds, though, as I take them for a number of conditions

and I don't know if it would be safe to go off them totally. I have

diabetes, hypertension, hypothyroidism, allergies, ...just to name a few! I

am definitely going to try increasing the fruits, vegetables, and whole

grains and cut out all the processed foods. Hopefully that will make a big

difference....thanks again!

BTW...does anyone else have big time problems with heel pain? Mine can be

excruciating....the bottom of the heel and the back of the heel. I am going

to the podiatrist tomorrow to check it out.

Hugs,

Pat

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In a message dated 8/6/02 7:26:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mickness36@... writes:

> Hello Pat:)

> When I first started the diet I did what is called a " cleansing diet or

> elimination diet " . It consisted only of fresh fruit, fresh fruit juice,

> and water. It is reccommended that a person do this diet for at 7 days. I

> was very skinny when I started so I could only do it for 3 days, but it was

> enough to clean out my system. By the end of the 3 days I was able to walk

> without my cane or any support at all. That is when I started walking. I

> was able to walk only 1 mile at first but I walked it as fast as I could

> and pushed myself as hard as I could. I was very scared at first to

> excercise because before any increase in activity at all increased my pain

> level. But I had faith that this was it, besides, I tried everything over

> the years so what did I have to lose.

> After the 3 days I then switched to the fruit and veggie diet only. I

> tried as much as possible to stick to only fresh raw fruits and veggies. I

> did this diet for 2 weeks. By the end of these 2 weeks I was walking over

> 2 miles a day. I was able to walk fast enough that my husband couldn't

> keep up with me. Wow! What a rush that was!! The hardest part for me at

> that time was getting fresh air and sunshine because it was the deep part

> of the winter here! But I did it, whether or not there was 5 feet of snow

> on the ground.

> After that 2 weeks I then introduced whole grains to my diet. I was able

> to eat all the fresh fruit and veggies but also added pasta, fish, white

> chicken meat, and steamed veggies.. I read all the labels on anything

> canned, frozen etc. Avoid anything that has Monosodium glutamate, all

> white sugars, white flour, anything ending in -trose, and also there are

> numerous other chemicals added to foods, so avoid anything that is

> processed!!!

> By that point in my diet I was walking 4 miles a day and I started 20

> minutes of low impact excercise. At first I couldn't even do 1/4 of the

> suggested reps but I stayed with it every day. Even when I didn't want to

> do it.

> That is the diet I pretty much stay with now. I have been on that diet for

> over 6 months now. After being on that diet for about 1 month I

> experienced my first symptom free day. Wow was that incredible! Something

> I never ever believed would happen. I have had 0 relapses. Now I also eat

> wild game in addition to the above diet. I have found that it is not seem

> to be meat that will cause me to have symptoms again, it is PROCESSED

> FOODS. If I have anything processed at all, within 18 hours I have

> symptoms. The symptoms are never debilitating but they are enough to let

> me know that processed foods....all of them.....have to removed from our

> diet.

> Now I do 40 minutes on the " stairstepper " , 15 minutes of weight lifting,

> and 15 minutes of low impact excercise. I have been planning to add

> jogging in to.....but have been procrastinating on starting. But I will one

> day. If I go one day without excercise, I feel it!!

> The hardest part about my diet now is finding variety. I just got a few

> veggie cookbooks so hopefully I will find more wonderful ways to add

> variety to my diet.

> I never realized the healing properties in fruits and veggies. Now I have

> no doubt about what they can do for us.I hope this answers your questions

> Pat, but if not, I will help any way that I can:) I wish you the best of

> luck, and I know it will change your life!

> One last thing. As soon as possible all medications have to be stopped.

> That was the scariest for me and it took me awhile to finally do it. See

> what happens is the medications the docs put us on are synthetic drugs.

> These drugs build up to toxic levels in our bodies. These toxins are

> stored in our bodies, but mainly in our muscles. So if we continue on our

> diet, but never stop the meds.....we are just spinning our wheels and it

> will never work the way it should.

> Peace and blessings to you always Pat,

> Mick

>

Thanks so much for the info Mick! I am going to do my best. I am not sure

about going off the meds, though, as I take them for a number of conditions

and I don't know if it would be safe to go off them totally. I have

diabetes, hypertension, hypothyroidism, allergies, ...just to name a few! I

am definitely going to try increasing the fruits, vegetables, and whole

grains and cut out all the processed foods. Hopefully that will make a big

difference....thanks again!

BTW...does anyone else have big time problems with heel pain? Mine can be

excruciating....the bottom of the heel and the back of the heel. I am going

to the podiatrist tomorrow to check it out.

Hugs,

Pat

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In a message dated 08/06/2002 2:53:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

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> problems with heel pain?

no, but my pain in my foot is right in the arch of my foot....it seems that

when I'm walking (doesn't do it all the time) that the muscle in my foot will

tighten up soooo tight and it pulls very badly in that area. I usually have

to sit down or stand still for a min. and let it loosen back up...

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no, but my pain in my foot is right in the arch of my foot....it seems that

when I'm walking (doesn't do it all the time) that the muscle in my foot will

tighten up soooo tight and it pulls very badly in that area. I usually have

to sit down or stand still for a min. and let it loosen back up...

You should see a doctor about that pain. It could be Morton's Neuroma. If

you feel like you are walking on a lump in your shoe, that could be the

cause. Morton's Neuroma is basically like Carpal Tunnel except in the foot.

I had to have surgery but I did not have any problems after that was done.

Take care,

Irene

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no, but my pain in my foot is right in the arch of my foot....it seems that

when I'm walking (doesn't do it all the time) that the muscle in my foot will

tighten up soooo tight and it pulls very badly in that area. I usually have

to sit down or stand still for a min. and let it loosen back up...

You should see a doctor about that pain. It could be Morton's Neuroma. If

you feel like you are walking on a lump in your shoe, that could be the

cause. Morton's Neuroma is basically like Carpal Tunnel except in the foot.

I had to have surgery but I did not have any problems after that was done.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

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no, but my pain in my foot is right in the arch of my foot....it seems that

when I'm walking (doesn't do it all the time) that the muscle in my foot will

tighten up soooo tight and it pulls very badly in that area. I usually have

to sit down or stand still for a min. and let it loosen back up...

You should see a doctor about that pain. It could be Morton's Neuroma. If

you feel like you are walking on a lump in your shoe, that could be the

cause. Morton's Neuroma is basically like Carpal Tunnel except in the foot.

I had to have surgery but I did not have any problems after that was done.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

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hi~ i know what you mean about it being tough being so

young and having these illnesses. it doesn't even

seem fair, but i always figure that it could be worse.

sometimes that's what gets me through the day,

realizing that it could be worse. i was also

diagnosed when i was 20, actually almost 20. hang it

there, it will get better. what are you taking for

meds? i am down to 2 or 3 prescriptions, but i am

taking a large amount of supplements. if you want to

chat about anything email me at

abbuttercup55@...

take care of yourself :)

ali

--- Allicia21@... wrote:

> Hello all again:

> Some of you I'm new to, others I've been here

> before and was just put

> on the no mail list. For those of you that don't

> know me My name is Allicia,

> I live in Indiana, I am now 22 years old, and I have

> FMS & CFS, Rheynauds,

> and bursitis. I was diagnosed when I was 20 years

> old. Being this young and

> having this god forsaken crud is very challeging. I

> seen that a young girl

> who was 19 posted yesterday, but I accidently

> deleted her message. I have

> been to numerous doctors. Its been quiet an

> experience.

> For those of you that do know me. When I

> decided to go no mail I also

> decided that I was going to ween myself off of every

> pill that those dumb

> doctors put me on with the exception of my

> anti-depressant. I started getting

> incredibly better as far as sleeping 24 hours a day,

> but as far as the pain

> went I was barely tollerating it. I was eating

> Tylenol Arthritis like candy

> and trying to work a normal job. I have now been

> fired from 3 jobs in the

> last 8 months and am back to trying to get more

> answers. In the 7 months that

> I wasn't getting no mail. I quit reading information

> on my problems, quit

> going to chat groups/ support groups. I was doing

> really well until about 4

> weeks ago I went into a HUGE downward spiral. Now I

> have myself into one of

> the biggest flares that I have ever experienced. I

> am now back on almost all

> of those pills that the doctor gave me. however I

> refuse to take anything

> addicting. Getting myself off of those drugs was a

> task within itself. The

> doctors weren't paying attention to what they had me

> on and didn't care if I

> was addicted or not. So....that is the downlow on my

> life in a short

> email...lol

> I must say I'm really glad to be back and

> looking foward to finding

> out new and interesting information. If ya'll have

> any questions for me or

> suggestions. I'm open just drop me a line. Lots of

> *gentle* hugzzzz

>

> Allicia

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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