Re: From Mick's husband

[Guest guest]

Hello,

What if you already eat that way? I grew up eating that way because

it's what my mom fed me, didn't really have a choice But I developed

Fibromyalgia when I was 15. It was triggered because I was exercising too

much. It was really from the side to side motion of tennis that did me in.

The pain started in my legs and never got better. Eventually it spread to the

rest of my body. I also have myofacial pain syndrome and for me it's ten

times more painful than the fibro.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

What if you already eat that way? I grew up eating that way because

it's what my mom fed me, didn't really have a choice But I developed

Fibromyalgia when I was 15. It was triggered because I was exercising too

much. It was really from the side to side motion of tennis that did me in.

The pain started in my legs and never got better. Eventually it spread to the

rest of my body. I also have myofacial pain syndrome and for me it's ten

times more painful than the fibro.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

What if you already eat that way? I grew up eating that way because

it's what my mom fed me, didn't really have a choice But I developed

Fibromyalgia when I was 15. It was triggered because I was exercising too

much. It was really from the side to side motion of tennis that did me in.

The pain started in my legs and never got better. Eventually it spread to the

rest of my body. I also have myofacial pain syndrome and for me it's ten

times more painful than the fibro.

[Guest guest]

To Steve and MICK,

If it brings any help to what you have been through

and I hope it does put a smile on both of your

faces...You are doing what you think is best. I truly

believe that. I believe if it helped Mick, then it

could possibly help me. And it is hard, once someone

is used to fixing hotdogs and fast food for the family

because it is easy and fast with our fast lives today,

IT IS HARD to fix veggies and fruits instead. But you

do have to make it a habit just as well as the other

was a HABIT. I am trying this diet and cutting down on

my red meats, in fact I haven't ate red meat in one

week now. More fruits and veggies. Gosh, I never

thought I could ever stomach all the fruits and

veggies I have eaten instead of the JUNK I was used to

eating. We went last night after my first Physical

Therapy visit and emptied out 1/2 of my Mom's freezer

of her frozen veggies from the garden to not only help

us out with our supply of veggies without all the

processed stuff added but also give her room for her

newly picked veggies.

I wanted to thank you both for not only the good ideas

to try and get over this daily pain that I know we all

have but also thank you for your support you have

personally showed me MICK. I believe that everyone

needs to keep an open mind in a support group and

should not be so harsh on others.

I have really enjoyed being a part of this support

group and I thank you all for all the information I

have learned especially since I have only suffered

from this extremely since May of this year.But with

the Elavil my doctor has prescribed me at night to

take, The Ultracet for Pain, the diet change, and now

the physical therapy, I believe that I will eventually

feel a whole lot better, (Fingers crossed and lots of

prayer).

Thank you also STeve for the heartfelt story I just

read. I just cried, because I could relate to some of

it and felt for you and your family for the things

that I have not experienced. I believe you two are

very strong people that have beat the odds and I am

very proud of you.

God Bless,

a Faye

--- mickness36 mickness36@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her

> battle with fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began

> with me hearing her wake up at two in the morning.

> I would hear her softly cry from the living room but

> I would stay in bed because there was no confort

> that I could give to her. I would be exhausted

> because I had been up until way past midnight

> researching the information regarding her syptoms.

> I would be exhausted because the day before I had

> gotten the kids to school, cooked all the meals,

> done all the cleaning and worked my job and Mick

> could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had

> watched my children as they tip toed through the

> house, hoping for the day they could act like normal

> healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes how

> they had been forced to block out this woman that

> lived on the sofa in our house. I would watch as

> they tried to show her the drawing that they had

> done and the dissappointement in their eyes when

> Mick did not have the strength to respond to their

> pictures. I would worry about when the Dr. would

> try to stop her pain meds and each new test result

> that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

> would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her

> lack of involvement in our lives and the fact that

> she felt herself a drain upon our family. The bouts

> of depression that were suicidal in nature were

> frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency

> room and the ignorance of the doctors in their

> inability to find a cause for her pain. The many

> tests that we were charged thousands and thousands

> of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide

> seemed to MIck to be her only option and I was

> constantly attempting to talk her out of it. One day

> MIck and I made a deal, that included that if she

> would give me six months, and I had found no answers

> for her and no relief, that I would assist in her

> suicide. This gave me six months to find and answer

> and I spent hours in study of the syndromes she had

> been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral

> studies. From funded studies posted in the journal

> of American Medicine, from Rhemetology Journals,

> Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My first

> big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and

> researchers regarding the cause. They posed theory

> after theory but either the tests were not funded or

> the results were varied. Soon I noticed that those

> studies that had some success had a common

> denominator. I got exited and spent weeks verifiing

> my theory. Each and every success story shared on

> thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL FRUIT

> AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED

> ADDITIVES AND AN EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I

> presented my information to Mick and she responded

> the same way that many of you responed to her. She

> did not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms

> nor did she want to believe her doctors were wrong.

> She did not believe it would work at all and she

> shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

> information and I was devastated as I knew that she

> was choosing to stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from

> the library thinking it was a gardening book

> entitled Back to Eden by Jethro Klaus. I am not

> selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

> She saw in those pages the same thing that I had

> been telling her and I was elated. Mick began with

> a totally fruit diet, and immediately got diarea.

> She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

> medication. After three days her brain fog began to

> lift. She slowly began to add vegetables into her

> diet over the next week and began to follow a

> program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

> those who could not exercise normally. She began

> slowely to begin walking. At first it was across

> the room. Then out to the mail box. Then slowely

> and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

> herself off her her medications and her bowel

> movements began to improve dramatically. She no

> longer had any brain fog and the the pain began to

> appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

> and more intense and soon she could walk farther and

> faster than I could. The woman that I married had

> returned to me. My children had their mother back.

> Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on the

> diet but as long as she stays with her diet and

> excercise she is now symptom free. The eighteen

> pressure points do not exist any more. No brain

> fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks

> with a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would

> submit the following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7

> percent of the population. It began in the early 18

> hundreds with the influx of food additives that are

> used in our food. The doctors say that there is no

> cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant.

> I submit that we have found the cure. I submit that

> Doctors are ignorant as to any aspect of the

> syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

> doctors who admit that they do not understand the

> syndrome you will get worse. If you choose to be

> well you will try anything, no matter how simple.

> What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest

> yet hardest solutioin. It requires that you

> completely altar your lifestyle. It costs little or

> nothing. The only thing you need to give is three

> months of your time and willpower. If you stick to

> the diet you will get better. If you do not you

> will not get better. That you fight against the

> information that MIck is offering to you free of

> charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and

> pain than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes,

> is the epitome of ridiculous. That you would rather

> take the advise of those who do not nor ever have

> suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

> is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there,

> she spent six years living (or not living) through

> those moments that you all know and had found a

> cure. That you discount her information, that you

> find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a

> fortune on this medication and that medication, on

> hospital visits and test after test is silly. That

> you would rather keep your processed foods and lay

> on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It

> took years for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you

> will not spend 3 months of discipline trying to cure

> it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back. My

> children have their loving mother back. We are a

> family again. Is it not worth three months to you?

> |Have you not yet come to that point where you will

> do anything to get better. Would you rather spend

> your energies fighting against what MIck is telling

> you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

To Steve and MICK,

If it brings any help to what you have been through

and I hope it does put a smile on both of your

faces...You are doing what you think is best. I truly

believe that. I believe if it helped Mick, then it

could possibly help me. And it is hard, once someone

is used to fixing hotdogs and fast food for the family

because it is easy and fast with our fast lives today,

IT IS HARD to fix veggies and fruits instead. But you

do have to make it a habit just as well as the other

was a HABIT. I am trying this diet and cutting down on

my red meats, in fact I haven't ate red meat in one

week now. More fruits and veggies. Gosh, I never

thought I could ever stomach all the fruits and

veggies I have eaten instead of the JUNK I was used to

eating. We went last night after my first Physical

Therapy visit and emptied out 1/2 of my Mom's freezer

of her frozen veggies from the garden to not only help

us out with our supply of veggies without all the

processed stuff added but also give her room for her

newly picked veggies.

I wanted to thank you both for not only the good ideas

to try and get over this daily pain that I know we all

have but also thank you for your support you have

personally showed me MICK. I believe that everyone

needs to keep an open mind in a support group and

should not be so harsh on others.

I have really enjoyed being a part of this support

group and I thank you all for all the information I

have learned especially since I have only suffered

from this extremely since May of this year.But with

the Elavil my doctor has prescribed me at night to

take, The Ultracet for Pain, the diet change, and now

the physical therapy, I believe that I will eventually

feel a whole lot better, (Fingers crossed and lots of

prayer).

Thank you also STeve for the heartfelt story I just

read. I just cried, because I could relate to some of

it and felt for you and your family for the things

that I have not experienced. I believe you two are

very strong people that have beat the odds and I am

very proud of you.

God Bless,

a Faye

--- mickness36 mickness36@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her

> battle with fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began

> with me hearing her wake up at two in the morning.

> I would hear her softly cry from the living room but

> I would stay in bed because there was no confort

> that I could give to her. I would be exhausted

> because I had been up until way past midnight

> researching the information regarding her syptoms.

> I would be exhausted because the day before I had

> gotten the kids to school, cooked all the meals,

> done all the cleaning and worked my job and Mick

> could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had

> watched my children as they tip toed through the

> house, hoping for the day they could act like normal

> healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes how

> they had been forced to block out this woman that

> lived on the sofa in our house. I would watch as

> they tried to show her the drawing that they had

> done and the dissappointement in their eyes when

> Mick did not have the strength to respond to their

> pictures. I would worry about when the Dr. would

> try to stop her pain meds and each new test result

> that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

> would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her

> lack of involvement in our lives and the fact that

> she felt herself a drain upon our family. The bouts

> of depression that were suicidal in nature were

> frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency

> room and the ignorance of the doctors in their

> inability to find a cause for her pain. The many

> tests that we were charged thousands and thousands

> of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide

> seemed to MIck to be her only option and I was

> constantly attempting to talk her out of it. One day

> MIck and I made a deal, that included that if she

> would give me six months, and I had found no answers

> for her and no relief, that I would assist in her

> suicide. This gave me six months to find and answer

> and I spent hours in study of the syndromes she had

> been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral

> studies. From funded studies posted in the journal

> of American Medicine, from Rhemetology Journals,

> Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My first

> big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and

> researchers regarding the cause. They posed theory

> after theory but either the tests were not funded or

> the results were varied. Soon I noticed that those

> studies that had some success had a common

> denominator. I got exited and spent weeks verifiing

> my theory. Each and every success story shared on

> thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL FRUIT

> AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED

> ADDITIVES AND AN EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I

> presented my information to Mick and she responded

> the same way that many of you responed to her. She

> did not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms

> nor did she want to believe her doctors were wrong.

> She did not believe it would work at all and she

> shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

> information and I was devastated as I knew that she

> was choosing to stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from

> the library thinking it was a gardening book

> entitled Back to Eden by Jethro Klaus. I am not

> selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

> She saw in those pages the same thing that I had

> been telling her and I was elated. Mick began with

> a totally fruit diet, and immediately got diarea.

> She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

> medication. After three days her brain fog began to

> lift. She slowly began to add vegetables into her

> diet over the next week and began to follow a

> program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

> those who could not exercise normally. She began

> slowely to begin walking. At first it was across

> the room. Then out to the mail box. Then slowely

> and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

> herself off her her medications and her bowel

> movements began to improve dramatically. She no

> longer had any brain fog and the the pain began to

> appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

> and more intense and soon she could walk farther and

> faster than I could. The woman that I married had

> returned to me. My children had their mother back.

> Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on the

> diet but as long as she stays with her diet and

> excercise she is now symptom free. The eighteen

> pressure points do not exist any more. No brain

> fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks

> with a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would

> submit the following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7

> percent of the population. It began in the early 18

> hundreds with the influx of food additives that are

> used in our food. The doctors say that there is no

> cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant.

> I submit that we have found the cure. I submit that

> Doctors are ignorant as to any aspect of the

> syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

> doctors who admit that they do not understand the

> syndrome you will get worse. If you choose to be

> well you will try anything, no matter how simple.

> What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest

> yet hardest solutioin. It requires that you

> completely altar your lifestyle. It costs little or

> nothing. The only thing you need to give is three

> months of your time and willpower. If you stick to

> the diet you will get better. If you do not you

> will not get better. That you fight against the

> information that MIck is offering to you free of

> charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and

> pain than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes,

> is the epitome of ridiculous. That you would rather

> take the advise of those who do not nor ever have

> suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

> is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there,

> she spent six years living (or not living) through

> those moments that you all know and had found a

> cure. That you discount her information, that you

> find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a

> fortune on this medication and that medication, on

> hospital visits and test after test is silly. That

> you would rather keep your processed foods and lay

> on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It

> took years for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you

> will not spend 3 months of discipline trying to cure

> it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back. My

> children have their loving mother back. We are a

> family again. Is it not worth three months to you?

> |Have you not yet come to that point where you will

> do anything to get better. Would you rather spend

> your energies fighting against what MIck is telling

> you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

To Steve and MICK,

If it brings any help to what you have been through

and I hope it does put a smile on both of your

faces...You are doing what you think is best. I truly

believe that. I believe if it helped Mick, then it

could possibly help me. And it is hard, once someone

is used to fixing hotdogs and fast food for the family

because it is easy and fast with our fast lives today,

IT IS HARD to fix veggies and fruits instead. But you

do have to make it a habit just as well as the other

was a HABIT. I am trying this diet and cutting down on

my red meats, in fact I haven't ate red meat in one

week now. More fruits and veggies. Gosh, I never

thought I could ever stomach all the fruits and

veggies I have eaten instead of the JUNK I was used to

eating. We went last night after my first Physical

Therapy visit and emptied out 1/2 of my Mom's freezer

of her frozen veggies from the garden to not only help

us out with our supply of veggies without all the

processed stuff added but also give her room for her

newly picked veggies.

I wanted to thank you both for not only the good ideas

to try and get over this daily pain that I know we all

have but also thank you for your support you have

personally showed me MICK. I believe that everyone

needs to keep an open mind in a support group and

should not be so harsh on others.

I have really enjoyed being a part of this support

group and I thank you all for all the information I

have learned especially since I have only suffered

from this extremely since May of this year.But with

the Elavil my doctor has prescribed me at night to

take, The Ultracet for Pain, the diet change, and now

the physical therapy, I believe that I will eventually

feel a whole lot better, (Fingers crossed and lots of

prayer).

Thank you also STeve for the heartfelt story I just

read. I just cried, because I could relate to some of

it and felt for you and your family for the things

that I have not experienced. I believe you two are

very strong people that have beat the odds and I am

very proud of you.

God Bless,

a Faye

--- mickness36 mickness36@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her

> battle with fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began

> with me hearing her wake up at two in the morning.

> I would hear her softly cry from the living room but

> I would stay in bed because there was no confort

> that I could give to her. I would be exhausted

> because I had been up until way past midnight

> researching the information regarding her syptoms.

> I would be exhausted because the day before I had

> gotten the kids to school, cooked all the meals,

> done all the cleaning and worked my job and Mick

> could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had

> watched my children as they tip toed through the

> house, hoping for the day they could act like normal

> healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes how

> they had been forced to block out this woman that

> lived on the sofa in our house. I would watch as

> they tried to show her the drawing that they had

> done and the dissappointement in their eyes when

> Mick did not have the strength to respond to their

> pictures. I would worry about when the Dr. would

> try to stop her pain meds and each new test result

> that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

> would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her

> lack of involvement in our lives and the fact that

> she felt herself a drain upon our family. The bouts

> of depression that were suicidal in nature were

> frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency

> room and the ignorance of the doctors in their

> inability to find a cause for her pain. The many

> tests that we were charged thousands and thousands

> of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide

> seemed to MIck to be her only option and I was

> constantly attempting to talk her out of it. One day

> MIck and I made a deal, that included that if she

> would give me six months, and I had found no answers

> for her and no relief, that I would assist in her

> suicide. This gave me six months to find and answer

> and I spent hours in study of the syndromes she had

> been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral

> studies. From funded studies posted in the journal

> of American Medicine, from Rhemetology Journals,

> Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My first

> big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and

> researchers regarding the cause. They posed theory

> after theory but either the tests were not funded or

> the results were varied. Soon I noticed that those

> studies that had some success had a common

> denominator. I got exited and spent weeks verifiing

> my theory. Each and every success story shared on

> thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL FRUIT

> AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED

> ADDITIVES AND AN EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I

> presented my information to Mick and she responded

> the same way that many of you responed to her. She

> did not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms

> nor did she want to believe her doctors were wrong.

> She did not believe it would work at all and she

> shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

> information and I was devastated as I knew that she

> was choosing to stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from

> the library thinking it was a gardening book

> entitled Back to Eden by Jethro Klaus. I am not

> selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

> She saw in those pages the same thing that I had

> been telling her and I was elated. Mick began with

> a totally fruit diet, and immediately got diarea.

> She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

> medication. After three days her brain fog began to

> lift. She slowly began to add vegetables into her

> diet over the next week and began to follow a

> program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

> those who could not exercise normally. She began

> slowely to begin walking. At first it was across

> the room. Then out to the mail box. Then slowely

> and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

> herself off her her medications and her bowel

> movements began to improve dramatically. She no

> longer had any brain fog and the the pain began to

> appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

> and more intense and soon she could walk farther and

> faster than I could. The woman that I married had

> returned to me. My children had their mother back.

> Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on the

> diet but as long as she stays with her diet and

> excercise she is now symptom free. The eighteen

> pressure points do not exist any more. No brain

> fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks

> with a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would

> submit the following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7

> percent of the population. It began in the early 18

> hundreds with the influx of food additives that are

> used in our food. The doctors say that there is no

> cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant.

> I submit that we have found the cure. I submit that

> Doctors are ignorant as to any aspect of the

> syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

> doctors who admit that they do not understand the

> syndrome you will get worse. If you choose to be

> well you will try anything, no matter how simple.

> What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest

> yet hardest solutioin. It requires that you

> completely altar your lifestyle. It costs little or

> nothing. The only thing you need to give is three

> months of your time and willpower. If you stick to

> the diet you will get better. If you do not you

> will not get better. That you fight against the

> information that MIck is offering to you free of

> charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and

> pain than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes,

> is the epitome of ridiculous. That you would rather

> take the advise of those who do not nor ever have

> suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

> is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there,

> she spent six years living (or not living) through

> those moments that you all know and had found a

> cure. That you discount her information, that you

> find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a

> fortune on this medication and that medication, on

> hospital visits and test after test is silly. That

> you would rather keep your processed foods and lay

> on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It

> took years for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you

> will not spend 3 months of discipline trying to cure

> it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back. My

> children have their loving mother back. We are a

> family again. Is it not worth three months to you?

> |Have you not yet come to that point where you will

> do anything to get better. Would you rather spend

> your energies fighting against what MIck is telling

> you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

What a loving husband, you both are so lucky to have one another! I

for one have nothing to lose by trying what you have discovered.

About a million years ago(24 actually) I used to be a vegetarian. I

always felt so good, it's not going to be that hard for me to go back

to a healthier way of eating, and once the pain lessens a bit, I'm

sure the exercise will be the same. I'm looking forward to payday

tomorrow so I can get out and buy some fruits and vegies.

I spend many nights the same way Mick did , and haven't slept in a

bed for a year and a half. Is 3 hours a night actually considered

SLEEP?

Thank you for sharing your exeriences! If changing my eating and some

exercise gives me a more normal life I am all for any effort it may

take. What's the worst thing that could happen? I could lose some

weight and become addicted to good food! Oh horrors, just imagine!

A blessed day to all... deb

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her battle with

fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began with me hearing her wake up at

two in the morning. I would hear her softly cry from the living room

but I would stay in bed because there was no confort that I could

give to her. I would be exhausted because I had been up until way

past midnight researching the information regarding her syptoms. I

would be exhausted because the day before I had gotten the kids to

school, cooked all the meals, done all the cleaning and worked my job

and Mick could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had watched my

children as they tip toed through the house, hoping for the day they

could act like normal healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes

how they had been forced to block out this woman that lived on the

sofa in our house. I would watch as they tried to show her the

drawing that they had done and the dissappointement in their eyes

when Mick did not have the strength to respond to their pictures. I

would worry about when the Dr. would try to stop her pain meds and

each new test result that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her lack of

involvement in our lives and the fact that she felt herself a drain

upon our family. The bouts of depression that were suicidal in

nature were frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency room

and the ignorance of the doctors in their inability to find a cause

for her pain. The many tests that we were charged thousands and

thousands of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide seemed to

MIck to be her only option and I was constantly attempting to talk

her out of it. One day MIck and I made a deal, that included that if

she would give me six months, and I had found no answers for her and

no relief, that I would assist in her suicide. This gave me six

months to find and answer and I spent hours in study of the syndromes

she had been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral studies. From

funded studies posted in the journal of American Medicine, from

Rhemetology Journals, Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My

first big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and researchers

regarding the cause. They posed theory after theory but either the

tests were not funded or the results were varied. Soon I noticed

that those studies that had some success had a common denominator. I

got exited and spent weeks verifiing my theory. Each and every

success story shared on thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL

FRUIT AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED ADDITIVES AND AN

EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I presented my information to Mick and

she responded the same way that many of you responed to her. She did

not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms nor did she want to

believe her doctors were wrong. She did not believe it would work at

all and she shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

information and I was devastated as I knew that she was choosing to

stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from the library

thinking it was a gardening book entitled Back to Eden by Jethro

Klaus. I am not selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

She saw in those pages the same thing that I had been telling her and

I was elated. Mick began with a totally fruit diet, and immediately

got diarea. She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

medication. After three days her brain fog began to lift. She

slowly began to add vegetables into her diet over the next week and

began to follow a program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

those who could not exercise normally. She began slowely to begin

walking. At first it was across the room. Then out to the mail

box. Then slowely and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

herself off her her medications and her bowel movements began to

improve dramatically. She no longer had any brain fog and the the

pain began to appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

and more intense and soon she could walk farther and faster than I

could. The woman that I married had returned to me. My children had

their mother back. Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on

the diet but as long as she stays with her diet and excercise she is

now symptom free. The eighteen pressure points do not exist any

more. No brain fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks with

a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would submit the

following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7 percent of the

population. It began in the early 18 hundreds with the influx of

food additives that are used in our food. The doctors say that there

is no cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant. I submit

that we have found the cure. I submit that Doctors are ignorant as to

any aspect of the syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

doctors who admit that they do not understand the syndrome you will

get worse. If you choose to be well you will try anything, no matter

how simple. What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest yet

hardest solutioin. It requires that you completely altar your

lifestyle. It costs little or nothing. The only thing you need to

give is three months of your time and willpower. If you stick to the

diet you will get better. If you do not you will not get better.

That you fight against the information that MIck is offering to you

free of charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and pain

than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes, is the epitome of

ridiculous. That you would rather take the advise of those who do

not nor ever have suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there, she spent six

years living (or not living) through those moments that you all know

and had found a cure. That you discount her information, that you

find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a fortune on this

medication and that medication, on hospital visits and test after

test is silly. That you would rather keep your processed foods and

lay on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It took years

for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you will not spend 3 months of

discipline trying to cure it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back.

My children have their loving mother back. We are a family again.

Is it not worth three months to you? |Have you not yet come to that

point where you will do anything to get better. Would you rather

spend your energies fighting against what MIck is telling you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

What a loving husband, you both are so lucky to have one another! I

for one have nothing to lose by trying what you have discovered.

About a million years ago(24 actually) I used to be a vegetarian. I

always felt so good, it's not going to be that hard for me to go back

to a healthier way of eating, and once the pain lessens a bit, I'm

sure the exercise will be the same. I'm looking forward to payday

tomorrow so I can get out and buy some fruits and vegies.

I spend many nights the same way Mick did , and haven't slept in a

bed for a year and a half. Is 3 hours a night actually considered

SLEEP?

Thank you for sharing your exeriences! If changing my eating and some

exercise gives me a more normal life I am all for any effort it may

take. What's the worst thing that could happen? I could lose some

weight and become addicted to good food! Oh horrors, just imagine!

A blessed day to all... deb

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her battle with

fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began with me hearing her wake up at

two in the morning. I would hear her softly cry from the living room

but I would stay in bed because there was no confort that I could

give to her. I would be exhausted because I had been up until way

past midnight researching the information regarding her syptoms. I

would be exhausted because the day before I had gotten the kids to

school, cooked all the meals, done all the cleaning and worked my job

and Mick could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had watched my

children as they tip toed through the house, hoping for the day they

could act like normal healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes

how they had been forced to block out this woman that lived on the

sofa in our house. I would watch as they tried to show her the

drawing that they had done and the dissappointement in their eyes

when Mick did not have the strength to respond to their pictures. I

would worry about when the Dr. would try to stop her pain meds and

each new test result that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her lack of

involvement in our lives and the fact that she felt herself a drain

upon our family. The bouts of depression that were suicidal in

nature were frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency room

and the ignorance of the doctors in their inability to find a cause

for her pain. The many tests that we were charged thousands and

thousands of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide seemed to

MIck to be her only option and I was constantly attempting to talk

her out of it. One day MIck and I made a deal, that included that if

she would give me six months, and I had found no answers for her and

no relief, that I would assist in her suicide. This gave me six

months to find and answer and I spent hours in study of the syndromes

she had been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral studies. From

funded studies posted in the journal of American Medicine, from

Rhemetology Journals, Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My

first big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and researchers

regarding the cause. They posed theory after theory but either the

tests were not funded or the results were varied. Soon I noticed

that those studies that had some success had a common denominator. I

got exited and spent weeks verifiing my theory. Each and every

success story shared on thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL

FRUIT AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED ADDITIVES AND AN

EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I presented my information to Mick and

she responded the same way that many of you responed to her. She did

not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms nor did she want to

believe her doctors were wrong. She did not believe it would work at

all and she shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

information and I was devastated as I knew that she was choosing to

stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from the library

thinking it was a gardening book entitled Back to Eden by Jethro

Klaus. I am not selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

She saw in those pages the same thing that I had been telling her and

I was elated. Mick began with a totally fruit diet, and immediately

got diarea. She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

medication. After three days her brain fog began to lift. She

slowly began to add vegetables into her diet over the next week and

began to follow a program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

those who could not exercise normally. She began slowely to begin

walking. At first it was across the room. Then out to the mail

box. Then slowely and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

herself off her her medications and her bowel movements began to

improve dramatically. She no longer had any brain fog and the the

pain began to appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

and more intense and soon she could walk farther and faster than I

could. The woman that I married had returned to me. My children had

their mother back. Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on

the diet but as long as she stays with her diet and excercise she is

now symptom free. The eighteen pressure points do not exist any

more. No brain fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks with

a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would submit the

following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7 percent of the

population. It began in the early 18 hundreds with the influx of

food additives that are used in our food. The doctors say that there

is no cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant. I submit

that we have found the cure. I submit that Doctors are ignorant as to

any aspect of the syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

doctors who admit that they do not understand the syndrome you will

get worse. If you choose to be well you will try anything, no matter

how simple. What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest yet

hardest solutioin. It requires that you completely altar your

lifestyle. It costs little or nothing. The only thing you need to

give is three months of your time and willpower. If you stick to the

diet you will get better. If you do not you will not get better.

That you fight against the information that MIck is offering to you

free of charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and pain

than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes, is the epitome of

ridiculous. That you would rather take the advise of those who do

not nor ever have suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there, she spent six

years living (or not living) through those moments that you all know

and had found a cure. That you discount her information, that you

find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a fortune on this

medication and that medication, on hospital visits and test after

test is silly. That you would rather keep your processed foods and

lay on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It took years

for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you will not spend 3 months of

discipline trying to cure it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back.

My children have their loving mother back. We are a family again.

Is it not worth three months to you? |Have you not yet come to that

point where you will do anything to get better. Would you rather

spend your energies fighting against what MIck is telling you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

The following is my personal opinion and not that of an official

position in any way, shape, or form.

Steve,

I want to thank you for caring enough about your wife to write about

your life, and how much you did to improve it. There are a number of

people on this group who valiantly fight to get their spouses, children,

parents, family members or friend, to even believe that they have an

illness. It's wonderful to see your lovingness.

I have been involved with listgroups for several years now due to

several medical problems. It is wonderful to have a place to come and

hear what others have to say, or get tips on how to handle your

illnesses. Sometimes, though, you have people who come in the group who

don't care about you, they just want to sell you their product.

Sometimes, you get someone in the groups who means well, they find 1

doctor who expresses a view and they think that means it's true, a

doctor said so. Sometimes you get someone who is a caring person like,

Mick, who has found something that has greatly helped and wants to share

it with the world.

Unfortunately, our bodies are all different in how they handle

medicines, supplements, and diets. This is why there isn't just one

allergy medicine, one might work for me, but not for you, or you might

get nasty side effects that I don't get. This is true for all

medicines, some help one but not another. Some tips help one but not

another. I think it's wonderful that a raw fruit/veggie diet has helped

Mick so much. However, I've seen other stories where it hasn't helped

people one bit. Some people can loose weight on one type of diet, others

on another. Each of us is different in what works for them.

This was a different group than the fibro-cf group, but we had a member

on it who insisted that she had found the way to cure fibro. We could

just positively think ourselves out of it. She had done it and gotten

rid of almost all of her fibro symptoms. Several of us pointed out

while that can work for minor things (I'm in a bad mood, so I start

telling myself I'm happy, I'm happy, until I do get in a better mood

from the obsurdness of it all.), it couldn't always work with physical

problems. For example, I have " weak and irregular cartilage " in one

knee. I don't care how many times I went out to drive our stickshift

thinking, I'll be fine this time, my knee still swelled up like a

watermelon. This woman refused to believe us and insisted we just

hadn't tried hard enough, if it would work for her it would work for all

of us.

I think it's wonderful that a raw fruit/veggie diet has helped Mick so

much along with exercise. Several of us have pointed out though, with

our IBS that we can not tolerate raw fruit or veggies, especially if

it's acting up. If I try to eat raw fruits or veggies when my IBS is

flaring, it makes it much worse. Then I'm in physical pain from the IBS

plus it then makes my fibro worse. I know my limits on exercise. I

wish I could still exercise, I'd be working, and wouldn't be worried

about money. There is a small subsection of people with fibro who can

not exercise because it does make them worse, even though exercise is

suppose to always help. I tried to walk as much as possible in stores

an not take my scooter. But on those days where I'm bad, I have to take

the scooter. On any day, if I press my limits of exercise (household

chores, walking, etc.), I'll make myself worse, not better.

This is from my point of view, it doesn't seem like Mick hears when we

say this. She just gets right back on her " oh, but a raw fruit and

veggie diet plus exercise will work wonders. " It is kind of irritating

to have you suggest that we prefer to remain sick simply because we

choose not to follow Mick's advice. We have spend years fighting this

and fine tuning what will and won't help us, and that varies from person

to person. One of the questions on our introduction questionnaire is

" does any food affect your fibro? " Some people say yes, and mention

beef, dairy, or sugar, but most people say no. Each of us has different

reasons for not following her suggestion, it may be too expensive for

some, for others their family doesn't even accept that they are sick let

alone be willing to change their diet, and there are others who know it

would make us sicker, not better. What helps one doesn't help another

across the boards. We are not all the same, and it isn't helpful to be

told that we are being petulant for not taking up with someone's advice,

no matter how well it worked for them.

This is how I feel and it may or may not reflect the views of any others

on the group.

Darcy

[Guest guest]

The following is my personal opinion and not that of an official

position in any way, shape, or form.

Steve,

I want to thank you for caring enough about your wife to write about

your life, and how much you did to improve it. There are a number of

people on this group who valiantly fight to get their spouses, children,

parents, family members or friend, to even believe that they have an

illness. It's wonderful to see your lovingness.

I have been involved with listgroups for several years now due to

several medical problems. It is wonderful to have a place to come and

hear what others have to say, or get tips on how to handle your

illnesses. Sometimes, though, you have people who come in the group who

don't care about you, they just want to sell you their product.

Sometimes, you get someone in the groups who means well, they find 1

doctor who expresses a view and they think that means it's true, a

doctor said so. Sometimes you get someone who is a caring person like,

Mick, who has found something that has greatly helped and wants to share

it with the world.

Unfortunately, our bodies are all different in how they handle

medicines, supplements, and diets. This is why there isn't just one

allergy medicine, one might work for me, but not for you, or you might

get nasty side effects that I don't get. This is true for all

medicines, some help one but not another. Some tips help one but not

another. I think it's wonderful that a raw fruit/veggie diet has helped

Mick so much. However, I've seen other stories where it hasn't helped

people one bit. Some people can loose weight on one type of diet, others

on another. Each of us is different in what works for them.

This was a different group than the fibro-cf group, but we had a member

on it who insisted that she had found the way to cure fibro. We could

just positively think ourselves out of it. She had done it and gotten

rid of almost all of her fibro symptoms. Several of us pointed out

while that can work for minor things (I'm in a bad mood, so I start

telling myself I'm happy, I'm happy, until I do get in a better mood

from the obsurdness of it all.), it couldn't always work with physical

problems. For example, I have " weak and irregular cartilage " in one

knee. I don't care how many times I went out to drive our stickshift

thinking, I'll be fine this time, my knee still swelled up like a

watermelon. This woman refused to believe us and insisted we just

hadn't tried hard enough, if it would work for her it would work for all

of us.

I think it's wonderful that a raw fruit/veggie diet has helped Mick so

much along with exercise. Several of us have pointed out though, with

our IBS that we can not tolerate raw fruit or veggies, especially if

it's acting up. If I try to eat raw fruits or veggies when my IBS is

flaring, it makes it much worse. Then I'm in physical pain from the IBS

plus it then makes my fibro worse. I know my limits on exercise. I

wish I could still exercise, I'd be working, and wouldn't be worried

about money. There is a small subsection of people with fibro who can

not exercise because it does make them worse, even though exercise is

suppose to always help. I tried to walk as much as possible in stores

an not take my scooter. But on those days where I'm bad, I have to take

the scooter. On any day, if I press my limits of exercise (household

chores, walking, etc.), I'll make myself worse, not better.

This is from my point of view, it doesn't seem like Mick hears when we

say this. She just gets right back on her " oh, but a raw fruit and

veggie diet plus exercise will work wonders. " It is kind of irritating

to have you suggest that we prefer to remain sick simply because we

choose not to follow Mick's advice. We have spend years fighting this

and fine tuning what will and won't help us, and that varies from person

to person. One of the questions on our introduction questionnaire is

" does any food affect your fibro? " Some people say yes, and mention

beef, dairy, or sugar, but most people say no. Each of us has different

reasons for not following her suggestion, it may be too expensive for

some, for others their family doesn't even accept that they are sick let

alone be willing to change their diet, and there are others who know it

would make us sicker, not better. What helps one doesn't help another

across the boards. We are not all the same, and it isn't helpful to be

told that we are being petulant for not taking up with someone's advice,

no matter how well it worked for them.

This is how I feel and it may or may not reflect the views of any others

on the group.

Darcy

[Guest guest]

Ive been reading alot about fibromyalgia, as has been noted we all

are different. There is no telling why this happens to us. I have

read that many people develope it after an injury. A book I am

reading that helps me to understand its not an easy simple one answer

thing is Fibromyalgia and Chronic Myofascial Pain by Starlanyl and

Copeland. Its worth having , since knowledge only makes us stronger.

All I truly know is myself, and what I feel inside my body. I dont

want to be a drugged out zombie, I want to be able to think. I

welcome all suggestions , its up to each of us to find what works

best for us.

I have a question, just curious. How many of the members have

multiple allergies, chemical sensitivities and asthma?

> Hello,

> What if you already eat that way? I grew up eating that way

because

> it's what my mom fed me, didn't really have a choice But I

developed

> Fibromyalgia when I was 15. It was triggered because I was

exercising too

> much. It was really from the side to side motion of tennis that did

me in.

> The pain started in my legs and never got better. Eventually it

spread to the

> rest of my body. I also have myofacial pain syndrome and for me

it's ten

> times more painful than the fibro.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- kissssmycandy kissssmycandy@...> wrote:

>

> I have a question, just curious. How many of the

> members have

> multiple allergies, chemical sensitivities and

> asthma?

I have Many many many food allergies (including red

meat, eggs, some fruits and veggies and wheat, which

is the hardest to work around). I am super sensitive

to drugs especially sudafed and benadryl makes me itch

uncontrollably. I have also had severe asthma since I

was 8 and I've tried everything (not prednisone yet,

though) but nothing seems to help. I'm on 3 inhalers,

Clarinex, and Singulair.

My girlfriend refuses to believe I have allergies, she

feels like I just have IBS like her and I should just

learn to deal with it and eat what I want like she

does, even though she gets horrible diahrea (sp?).

But then, she's not very supportive of anything, she

always tells me to work through it, push harder, don't

let it slow you down. She was in a high speed

accident over a year ago and she has a lot of problems

with her spine and she pushes herself way too hard

sometimes and at others refuses to lift a finger, but

I'm not allowed to do that...

Sorry, didn't mean to turn that into a rant...

Thanks,

Charity

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/08/2002 8:29:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

mickness36@... writes:

> Would you rather spend your energies fighting against what MIck is telling

> you?

>

I don't think anyone is fighting anything...Lets all try to remember that

we're here to help one another....and respect everyone's opinion...I have

noticed over the last few days this " diet " thing is getting an ouchy side to

it....I hope I have enterpreted it wrongly, but thats the impression I'm

getting. I hope we all can continue to go on without any hard feelings....I

appreciate everyone's suggestions. I hope ya'll get to feeling better and

remember if your poop'n too much eat some CHEESE!!!! HE HE HEEEE ROFLMAOO :oD

Allicia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/08/2002 8:29:52 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

mickness36@... writes:

> Would you rather spend your energies fighting against what MIck is telling

> you?

>

I don't think anyone is fighting anything...Lets all try to remember that

we're here to help one another....and respect everyone's opinion...I have

noticed over the last few days this " diet " thing is getting an ouchy side to

it....I hope I have enterpreted it wrongly, but thats the impression I'm

getting. I hope we all can continue to go on without any hard feelings....I

appreciate everyone's suggestions. I hope ya'll get to feeling better and

remember if your poop'n too much eat some CHEESE!!!! HE HE HEEEE ROFLMAOO :oD

Allicia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/08/2002 11:16:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

catstamp@... writes:

> IBS that we can not tolerate raw fruit or veggies

This is very true...my mother bless her soul...is having a really really hard

time with her IBS and her veggie/ fruit diet she is on...>VERY ROUGH TIME!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/08/2002 11:16:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

catstamp@... writes:

> IBS that we can not tolerate raw fruit or veggies

This is very true...my mother bless her soul...is having a really really hard

time with her IBS and her veggie/ fruit diet she is on...>VERY ROUGH TIME!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/08/2002 11:16:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time,

catstamp@... writes:

> IBS that we can not tolerate raw fruit or veggies

This is very true...my mother bless her soul...is having a really really hard

time with her IBS and her veggie/ fruit diet she is on...>VERY ROUGH TIME!!!

[Guest guest]

.. That you fight against the information that MIck is offering to you free

of charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and pain than most of you

diagnosed with the syndromes, is the epitome of ridiculous

I think that it is presumptive of you to say that Mick has suffered more

symptoms and pain than most of us diagnosed with fibro. How do you know how

much pain we are suffering? There are many on this list that is suffering

with pain that, from your description of her pain, is far worse. Unless you

know each of us individually there is no way that you can tell us what our

pain level is.

There are also many that have a high pain level that live as normal a life as

they can. They hold jobs, take care of their children, travel, have a social

life. These people can also say no. Yesterday or the day before, there were

things that they could do, today they can't.

I listen to my body. It tells me if I have done to much. I am on a very

heavy dose of pain medication because my pain level is very high. I have

other problems beside fibro. Medical problems that this diet would hurt not

help.

Maybe you don't understand why we don't just drop what we are doing to help

us and start trying your diet. What will it hurt? Believe me, it could hurt

a lot. I have been through a lot of pain and tried different things. I will

stick to my diabetic diet and my pain medication. The last time I tried

something that was recommended to me, it caused more damage.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

[Guest guest]

.. That you fight against the information that MIck is offering to you free

of charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and pain than most of you

diagnosed with the syndromes, is the epitome of ridiculous

I think that it is presumptive of you to say that Mick has suffered more

symptoms and pain than most of us diagnosed with fibro. How do you know how

much pain we are suffering? There are many on this list that is suffering

with pain that, from your description of her pain, is far worse. Unless you

know each of us individually there is no way that you can tell us what our

pain level is.

There are also many that have a high pain level that live as normal a life as

they can. They hold jobs, take care of their children, travel, have a social

life. These people can also say no. Yesterday or the day before, there were

things that they could do, today they can't.

I listen to my body. It tells me if I have done to much. I am on a very

heavy dose of pain medication because my pain level is very high. I have

other problems beside fibro. Medical problems that this diet would hurt not

help.

Maybe you don't understand why we don't just drop what we are doing to help

us and start trying your diet. What will it hurt? Believe me, it could hurt

a lot. I have been through a lot of pain and tried different things. I will

stick to my diabetic diet and my pain medication. The last time I tried

something that was recommended to me, it caused more damage.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

[Guest guest]

.. That you fight against the information that MIck is offering to you free

of charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and pain than most of you

diagnosed with the syndromes, is the epitome of ridiculous

I think that it is presumptive of you to say that Mick has suffered more

symptoms and pain than most of us diagnosed with fibro. How do you know how

much pain we are suffering? There are many on this list that is suffering

with pain that, from your description of her pain, is far worse. Unless you

know each of us individually there is no way that you can tell us what our

pain level is.

There are also many that have a high pain level that live as normal a life as

they can. They hold jobs, take care of their children, travel, have a social

life. These people can also say no. Yesterday or the day before, there were

things that they could do, today they can't.

I listen to my body. It tells me if I have done to much. I am on a very

heavy dose of pain medication because my pain level is very high. I have

other problems beside fibro. Medical problems that this diet would hurt not

help.

Maybe you don't understand why we don't just drop what we are doing to help

us and start trying your diet. What will it hurt? Believe me, it could hurt

a lot. I have been through a lot of pain and tried different things. I will

stick to my diabetic diet and my pain medication. The last time I tried

something that was recommended to me, it caused more damage.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

[Guest guest]

I also had IBS and had been diagnosed with it over 4 years ago. When I first

started my fruit and veggie diet it was very hard, and very painful. But I

stuck with it as it was helping me so much in other areas. It only lasted a few

weeks and it finally got better. Now I have no problems at all with raw fruits

and veggies.

Allicia21@... wrote:In a message dated 08/08/2002 11:16:29 AM US Eastern

Standard Time,

catstamp@... writes:

> IBS that we can not tolerate raw fruit or veggies

This is very true...my mother bless her soul...is having a really really hard

time with her IBS and her veggie/ fruit diet she is on...>VERY ROUGH TIME!!!

[Guest guest]

Hello a,

I am so glad to hear that you are going to give it a try:) Woo Hoo for you!! I

will help you anyway that I can. It was so hard to change a lifetime of bad

habits. Everyday was a struggle for me. Financially at first it was hard

because my family wanted to keep their bad diets so we were adding my diet to an

already stressed budget. But eventually they came around and now we all eat

pretty healthy. I still eat red meat on occassion. The main thing for me is

processed foods, sugar, and white flour. Any one of these things will cause me

to have symptoms within 18 hours of eating them. I never noticed before,

because that is all I ate. I hope and pray that this diet will bring to you,

what it brought to me:)

Peace and blessings always,

Mick

a

wrote:To Steve and MICK,

If it brings any help to what you have been through

and I hope it does put a smile on both of your

faces...You are doing what you think is best. I truly

believe that. I believe if it helped Mick, then it

could possibly help me. And it is hard, once someone

is used to fixing hotdogs and fast food for the family

because it is easy and fast with our fast lives today,

IT IS HARD to fix veggies and fruits instead. But you

do have to make it a habit just as well as the other

was a HABIT. I am trying this diet and cutting down on

my red meats, in fact I haven't ate red meat in one

week now. More fruits and veggies. Gosh, I never

thought I could ever stomach all the fruits and

veggies I have eaten instead of the JUNK I was used to

eating. We went last night after my first Physical

Therapy visit and emptied out 1/2 of my Mom's freezer

of her frozen veggies from the garden to not only help

us out with our supply of veggies without all the

processed stuff added but also give her room for her

newly picked veggies.

I wanted to thank you both for not only the good ideas

to try and get over this daily pain that I know we all

have but also thank you for your support you have

personally showed me MICK. I believe that everyone

needs to keep an open mind in a support group and

should not be so harsh on others.

I have really enjoyed being a part of this support

group and I thank you all for all the information I

have learned especially since I have only suffered

from this extremely since May of this year.But with

the Elavil my doctor has prescribed me at night to

take, The Ultracet for Pain, the diet change, and now

the physical therapy, I believe that I will eventually

feel a whole lot better, (Fingers crossed and lots of

prayer).

Thank you also STeve for the heartfelt story I just

read. I just cried, because I could relate to some of

it and felt for you and your family for the things

that I have not experienced. I believe you two are

very strong people that have beat the odds and I am

very proud of you.

God Bless,

a Faye

--- mickness36 mickness36@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her

> battle with fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began

> with me hearing her wake up at two in the morning.

> I would hear her softly cry from the living room but

> I would stay in bed because there was no confort

> that I could give to her. I would be exhausted

> because I had been up until way past midnight

> researching the information regarding her syptoms.

> I would be exhausted because the day before I had

> gotten the kids to school, cooked all the meals,

> done all the cleaning and worked my job and Mick

> could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had

> watched my children as they tip toed through the

> house, hoping for the day they could act like normal

> healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes how

> they had been forced to block out this woman that

> lived on the sofa in our house. I would watch as

> they tried to show her the drawing that they had

> done and the dissappointement in their eyes when

> Mick did not have the strength to respond to their

> pictures. I would worry about when the Dr. would

> try to stop her pain meds and each new test result

> that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

> would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her

> lack of involvement in our lives and the fact that

> she felt herself a drain upon our family. The bouts

> of depression that were suicidal in nature were

> frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency

> room and the ignorance of the doctors in their

> inability to find a cause for her pain. The many

> tests that we were charged thousands and thousands

> of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide

> seemed to MIck to be her only option and I was

> constantly attempting to talk her out of it. One day

> MIck and I made a deal, that included that if she

> would give me six months, and I had found no answers

> for her and no relief, that I would assist in her

> suicide. This gave me six months to find and answer

> and I spent hours in study of the syndromes she had

> been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral

> studies. From funded studies posted in the journal

> of American Medicine, from Rhemetology Journals,

> Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My first

> big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and

> researchers regarding the cause. They posed theory

> after theory but either the tests were not funded or

> the results were varied. Soon I noticed that those

> studies that had some success had a common

> denominator. I got exited and spent weeks verifiing

> my theory. Each and every success story shared on

> thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL FRUIT

> AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED

> ADDITIVES AND AN EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I

> presented my information to Mick and she responded

> the same way that many of you responed to her. She

> did not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms

> nor did she want to believe her doctors were wrong.

> She did not believe it would work at all and she

> shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

> information and I was devastated as I knew that she

> was choosing to stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from

> the library thinking it was a gardening book

> entitled Back to Eden by Jethro Klaus. I am not

> selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

> She saw in those pages the same thing that I had

> been telling her and I was elated. Mick began with

> a totally fruit diet, and immediately got diarea.

> She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

> medication. After three days her brain fog began to

> lift. She slowly began to add vegetables into her

> diet over the next week and began to follow a

> program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

> those who could not exercise normally. She began

> slowely to begin walking. At first it was across

> the room. Then out to the mail box. Then slowely

> and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

> herself off her her medications and her bowel

> movements began to improve dramatically. She no

> longer had any brain fog and the the pain began to

> appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

> and more intense and soon she could walk farther and

> faster than I could. The woman that I married had

> returned to me. My children had their mother back.

> Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on the

> diet but as long as she stays with her diet and

> excercise she is now symptom free. The eighteen

> pressure points do not exist any more. No brain

> fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks

> with a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would

> submit the following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7

> percent of the population. It began in the early 18

> hundreds with the influx of food additives that are

> used in our food. The doctors say that there is no

> cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant.

> I submit that we have found the cure. I submit that

> Doctors are ignorant as to any aspect of the

> syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

> doctors who admit that they do not understand the

> syndrome you will get worse. If you choose to be

> well you will try anything, no matter how simple.

> What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest

> yet hardest solutioin. It requires that you

> completely altar your lifestyle. It costs little or

> nothing. The only thing you need to give is three

> months of your time and willpower. If you stick to

> the diet you will get better. If you do not you

> will not get better. That you fight against the

> information that MIck is offering to you free of

> charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and

> pain than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes,

> is the epitome of ridiculous. That you would rather

> take the advise of those who do not nor ever have

> suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

> is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there,

> she spent six years living (or not living) through

> those moments that you all know and had found a

> cure. That you discount her information, that you

> find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a

> fortune on this medication and that medication, on

> hospital visits and test after test is silly. That

> you would rather keep your processed foods and lay

> on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It

> took years for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you

> will not spend 3 months of discipline trying to cure

> it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back. My

> children have their loving mother back. We are a

> family again. Is it not worth three months to you?

> |Have you not yet come to that point where you will

> do anything to get better. Would you rather spend

> your energies fighting against what MIck is telling

> you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Hello a,

I am so glad to hear that you are going to give it a try:) Woo Hoo for you!! I

will help you anyway that I can. It was so hard to change a lifetime of bad

habits. Everyday was a struggle for me. Financially at first it was hard

because my family wanted to keep their bad diets so we were adding my diet to an

already stressed budget. But eventually they came around and now we all eat

pretty healthy. I still eat red meat on occassion. The main thing for me is

processed foods, sugar, and white flour. Any one of these things will cause me

to have symptoms within 18 hours of eating them. I never noticed before,

because that is all I ate. I hope and pray that this diet will bring to you,

what it brought to me:)

Peace and blessings always,

Mick

a

wrote:To Steve and MICK,

If it brings any help to what you have been through

and I hope it does put a smile on both of your

faces...You are doing what you think is best. I truly

believe that. I believe if it helped Mick, then it

could possibly help me. And it is hard, once someone

is used to fixing hotdogs and fast food for the family

because it is easy and fast with our fast lives today,

IT IS HARD to fix veggies and fruits instead. But you

do have to make it a habit just as well as the other

was a HABIT. I am trying this diet and cutting down on

my red meats, in fact I haven't ate red meat in one

week now. More fruits and veggies. Gosh, I never

thought I could ever stomach all the fruits and

veggies I have eaten instead of the JUNK I was used to

eating. We went last night after my first Physical

Therapy visit and emptied out 1/2 of my Mom's freezer

of her frozen veggies from the garden to not only help

us out with our supply of veggies without all the

processed stuff added but also give her room for her

newly picked veggies.

I wanted to thank you both for not only the good ideas

to try and get over this daily pain that I know we all

have but also thank you for your support you have

personally showed me MICK. I believe that everyone

needs to keep an open mind in a support group and

should not be so harsh on others.

I have really enjoyed being a part of this support

group and I thank you all for all the information I

have learned especially since I have only suffered

from this extremely since May of this year.But with

the Elavil my doctor has prescribed me at night to

take, The Ultracet for Pain, the diet change, and now

the physical therapy, I believe that I will eventually

feel a whole lot better, (Fingers crossed and lots of

prayer).

Thank you also STeve for the heartfelt story I just

read. I just cried, because I could relate to some of

it and felt for you and your family for the things

that I have not experienced. I believe you two are

very strong people that have beat the odds and I am

very proud of you.

God Bless,

a Faye

--- mickness36 mickness36@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her

> battle with fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began

> with me hearing her wake up at two in the morning.

> I would hear her softly cry from the living room but

> I would stay in bed because there was no confort

> that I could give to her. I would be exhausted

> because I had been up until way past midnight

> researching the information regarding her syptoms.

> I would be exhausted because the day before I had

> gotten the kids to school, cooked all the meals,

> done all the cleaning and worked my job and Mick

> could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had

> watched my children as they tip toed through the

> house, hoping for the day they could act like normal

> healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes how

> they had been forced to block out this woman that

> lived on the sofa in our house. I would watch as

> they tried to show her the drawing that they had

> done and the dissappointement in their eyes when

> Mick did not have the strength to respond to their

> pictures. I would worry about when the Dr. would

> try to stop her pain meds and each new test result

> that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

> would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her

> lack of involvement in our lives and the fact that

> she felt herself a drain upon our family. The bouts

> of depression that were suicidal in nature were

> frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency

> room and the ignorance of the doctors in their

> inability to find a cause for her pain. The many

> tests that we were charged thousands and thousands

> of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide

> seemed to MIck to be her only option and I was

> constantly attempting to talk her out of it. One day

> MIck and I made a deal, that included that if she

> would give me six months, and I had found no answers

> for her and no relief, that I would assist in her

> suicide. This gave me six months to find and answer

> and I spent hours in study of the syndromes she had

> been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral

> studies. From funded studies posted in the journal

> of American Medicine, from Rhemetology Journals,

> Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My first

> big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and

> researchers regarding the cause. They posed theory

> after theory but either the tests were not funded or

> the results were varied. Soon I noticed that those

> studies that had some success had a common

> denominator. I got exited and spent weeks verifiing

> my theory. Each and every success story shared on

> thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL FRUIT

> AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED

> ADDITIVES AND AN EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I

> presented my information to Mick and she responded

> the same way that many of you responed to her. She

> did not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms

> nor did she want to believe her doctors were wrong.

> She did not believe it would work at all and she

> shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

> information and I was devastated as I knew that she

> was choosing to stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from

> the library thinking it was a gardening book

> entitled Back to Eden by Jethro Klaus. I am not

> selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

> She saw in those pages the same thing that I had

> been telling her and I was elated. Mick began with

> a totally fruit diet, and immediately got diarea.

> She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

> medication. After three days her brain fog began to

> lift. She slowly began to add vegetables into her

> diet over the next week and began to follow a

> program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

> those who could not exercise normally. She began

> slowely to begin walking. At first it was across

> the room. Then out to the mail box. Then slowely

> and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

> herself off her her medications and her bowel

> movements began to improve dramatically. She no

> longer had any brain fog and the the pain began to

> appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

> and more intense and soon she could walk farther and

> faster than I could. The woman that I married had

> returned to me. My children had their mother back.

> Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on the

> diet but as long as she stays with her diet and

> excercise she is now symptom free. The eighteen

> pressure points do not exist any more. No brain

> fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks

> with a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would

> submit the following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7

> percent of the population. It began in the early 18

> hundreds with the influx of food additives that are

> used in our food. The doctors say that there is no

> cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant.

> I submit that we have found the cure. I submit that

> Doctors are ignorant as to any aspect of the

> syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

> doctors who admit that they do not understand the

> syndrome you will get worse. If you choose to be

> well you will try anything, no matter how simple.

> What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest

> yet hardest solutioin. It requires that you

> completely altar your lifestyle. It costs little or

> nothing. The only thing you need to give is three

> months of your time and willpower. If you stick to

> the diet you will get better. If you do not you

> will not get better. That you fight against the

> information that MIck is offering to you free of

> charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and

> pain than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes,

> is the epitome of ridiculous. That you would rather

> take the advise of those who do not nor ever have

> suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

> is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there,

> she spent six years living (or not living) through

> those moments that you all know and had found a

> cure. That you discount her information, that you

> find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a

> fortune on this medication and that medication, on

> hospital visits and test after test is silly. That

> you would rather keep your processed foods and lay

> on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It

> took years for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you

> will not spend 3 months of discipline trying to cure

> it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back. My

> children have their loving mother back. We are a

> family again. Is it not worth three months to you?

> |Have you not yet come to that point where you will

> do anything to get better. Would you rather spend

> your energies fighting against what MIck is telling

> you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Deb,

Thank you so much for you wonderful email:) I am very thankful that I have the

husband I do! I would of never believed that I would be a vegan (almost) at some

point in my life. I really thought I had a pretty good diet. But when I read

the book " Back to Eden " I realized it had been years since I had a piece of

fruit. I rarely ate veggies aside from corn and potatoes. Almost all the food

I bought was processed foods. And I just never realized what I was doing to my

body. I never realized that fruits and veggies could give you more energy than

a cup of coffee. There was just so much that I didn't know. It has changed my

life so much that I just had to share it with others who suffers as I did. I

wish you the very best! And maybe we can share some recipes!

Peace and blessings always and forever,

Mick

kissssmycandy wrote:What a loving husband, you both are so lucky to have one

another! I

for one have nothing to lose by trying what you have discovered.

About a million years ago(24 actually) I used to be a vegetarian. I

always felt so good, it's not going to be that hard for me to go back

to a healthier way of eating, and once the pain lessens a bit, I'm

sure the exercise will be the same. I'm looking forward to payday

tomorrow so I can get out and buy some fruits and vegies.

I spend many nights the same way Mick did , and haven't slept in a

bed for a year and a half. Is 3 hours a night actually considered

SLEEP?

Thank you for sharing your exeriences! If changing my eating and some

exercise gives me a more normal life I am all for any effort it may

take. What's the worst thing that could happen? I could lose some

weight and become addicted to good food! Oh horrors, just imagine!

A blessed day to all... deb

>

> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her battle with

fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began with me hearing her wake up at

two in the morning. I would hear her softly cry from the living room

but I would stay in bed because there was no confort that I could

give to her. I would be exhausted because I had been up until way

past midnight researching the information regarding her syptoms. I

would be exhausted because the day before I had gotten the kids to

school, cooked all the meals, done all the cleaning and worked my job

and Mick could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had watched my

children as they tip toed through the house, hoping for the day they

could act like normal healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes

how they had been forced to block out this woman that lived on the

sofa in our house. I would watch as they tried to show her the

drawing that they had done and the dissappointement in their eyes

when Mick did not have the strength to respond to their pictures. I

would worry about when the Dr. would try to stop her pain meds and

each new test result that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her lack of

involvement in our lives and the fact that she felt herself a drain

upon our family. The bouts of depression that were suicidal in

nature were frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency room

and the ignorance of the doctors in their inability to find a cause

for her pain. The many tests that we were charged thousands and

thousands of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide seemed to

MIck to be her only option and I was constantly attempting to talk

her out of it. One day MIck and I made a deal, that included that if

she would give me six months, and I had found no answers for her and

no relief, that I would assist in her suicide. This gave me six

months to find and answer and I spent hours in study of the syndromes

she had been diagnosed with.

>

> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral studies. From

funded studies posted in the journal of American Medicine, from

Rhemetology Journals, Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My

first big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and researchers

regarding the cause. They posed theory after theory but either the

tests were not funded or the results were varied. Soon I noticed

that those studies that had some success had a common denominator. I

got exited and spent weeks verifiing my theory. Each and every

success story shared on thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL

FRUIT AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED ADDITIVES AND AN

EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I presented my information to Mick and

she responded the same way that many of you responed to her. She did

not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms nor did she want to

believe her doctors were wrong. She did not believe it would work at

all and she shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

information and I was devastated as I knew that she was choosing to

stay in her world of pain.

>

> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from the library

thinking it was a gardening book entitled Back to Eden by Jethro

Klaus. I am not selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

She saw in those pages the same thing that I had been telling her and

I was elated. Mick began with a totally fruit diet, and immediately

got diarea. She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

medication. After three days her brain fog began to lift. She

slowly began to add vegetables into her diet over the next week and

began to follow a program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

those who could not exercise normally. She began slowely to begin

walking. At first it was across the room. Then out to the mail

box. Then slowely and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

herself off her her medications and her bowel movements began to

improve dramatically. She no longer had any brain fog and the the

pain began to appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

and more intense and soon she could walk farther and faster than I

could. The woman that I married had returned to me. My children had

their mother back. Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on

the diet but as long as she stays with her diet and excercise she is

now symptom free. The eighteen pressure points do not exist any

more. No brain fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks with

a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

>

> For those of you who discount Micks story I would submit the

following:

>

> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7 percent of the

population. It began in the early 18 hundreds with the influx of

food additives that are used in our food. The doctors say that there

is no cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant. I submit

that we have found the cure. I submit that Doctors are ignorant as to

any aspect of the syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

doctors who admit that they do not understand the syndrome you will

get worse. If you choose to be well you will try anything, no matter

how simple. What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest yet

hardest solutioin. It requires that you completely altar your

lifestyle. It costs little or nothing. The only thing you need to

give is three months of your time and willpower. If you stick to the

diet you will get better. If you do not you will not get better.

That you fight against the information that MIck is offering to you

free of charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and pain

than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes, is the epitome of

ridiculous. That you would rather take the advise of those who do

not nor ever have suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there, she spent six

years living (or not living) through those moments that you all know

and had found a cure. That you discount her information, that you

find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a fortune on this

medication and that medication, on hospital visits and test after

test is silly. That you would rather keep your processed foods and

lay on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It took years

for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you will not spend 3 months of

discipline trying to cure it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back.

My children have their loving mother back. We are a family again.

Is it not worth three months to you? |Have you not yet come to that

point where you will do anything to get better. Would you rather

spend your energies fighting against what MIck is telling you?

>

> It is your choice....

>

> Steve

>

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Hello Deb,

Thank you so much for you wonderful email:) I am very thankful that I have the

husband I do! I would of never believed that I would be a vegan (almost) at some

point in my life. I really thought I had a pretty good diet. But when I read

the book " Back to Eden " I realized it had been years since I had a piece of

fruit. I rarely ate veggies aside from corn and potatoes. Almost all the food

I bought was processed foods. And I just never realized what I was doing to my

body. I never realized that fruits and veggies could give you more energy than

a cup of coffee. There was just so much that I didn't know. It has changed my

life so much that I just had to share it with others who suffers as I did. I

wish you the very best! And maybe we can share some recipes!

Peace and blessings always and forever,

Mick

kissssmycandy wrote:What a loving husband, you both are so lucky to have one

another! I

for one have nothing to lose by trying what you have discovered.

About a million years ago(24 actually) I used to be a vegetarian. I

always felt so good, it's not going to be that hard for me to go back

to a healthier way of eating, and once the pain lessens a bit, I'm

sure the exercise will be the same. I'm looking forward to payday

tomorrow so I can get out and buy some fruits and vegies.

I spend many nights the same way Mick did , and haven't slept in a

bed for a year and a half. Is 3 hours a night actually considered

SLEEP?

Thank you for sharing your exeriences! If changing my eating and some

exercise gives me a more normal life I am all for any effort it may

take. What's the worst thing that could happen? I could lose some

weight and become addicted to good food! Oh horrors, just imagine!

A blessed day to all... deb

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> I would like to give my perspective of Mick and her battle with

fibromyalgia/cfs. A typical day began with me hearing her wake up at

two in the morning. I would hear her softly cry from the living room

but I would stay in bed because there was no confort that I could

give to her. I would be exhausted because I had been up until way

past midnight researching the information regarding her syptoms. I

would be exhausted because the day before I had gotten the kids to

school, cooked all the meals, done all the cleaning and worked my job

and Mick could barely walk to the bathroom alone. I had watched my

children as they tip toed through the house, hoping for the day they

could act like normal healthy noisy kids. I would see in their eyes

how they had been forced to block out this woman that lived on the

sofa in our house. I would watch as they tried to show her the

drawing that they had done and the dissappointement in their eyes

when Mick did not have the strength to respond to their pictures. I

would worry about when the Dr. would try to stop her pain meds and

each new test result that came back showing almost normal ranges. I

would watch as the guilt ripped Mick apart from her lack of

involvement in our lives and the fact that she felt herself a drain

upon our family. The bouts of depression that were suicidal in

nature were frightenning. The many many trips to the emergency room

and the ignorance of the doctors in their inability to find a cause

for her pain. The many tests that we were charged thousands and

thousands of dollars for that came back negative. Suicide seemed to

MIck to be her only option and I was constantly attempting to talk

her out of it. One day MIck and I made a deal, that included that if

she would give me six months, and I had found no answers for her and

no relief, that I would assist in her suicide. This gave me six

months to find and answer and I spent hours in study of the syndromes

she had been diagnosed with.

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> I read every study done from guifenesen, to viral studies. From

funded studies posted in the journal of American Medicine, from

Rhemetology Journals, Internal Medicine, Neurologists, etc etc. My

first big discovery was the ignorance of Doctors and researchers

regarding the cause. They posed theory after theory but either the

tests were not funded or the results were varied. Soon I noticed

that those studies that had some success had a common denominator. I

got exited and spent weeks verifiing my theory. Each and every

success story shared on thing in common, THEY ALL INCLUDED A NATURAL

FRUIT AND VEGETABLE AND LOW FAT DIET THAT RESTRICTED ADDITIVES AND AN

EXCERCISE PROGRAM!!!! Exited I presented my information to Mick and

she responded the same way that many of you responed to her. She did

not equate diet and exercise with her symtoms nor did she want to

believe her doctors were wrong. She did not believe it would work at

all and she shot it down. | could not force her to accept the

information and I was devastated as I knew that she was choosing to

stay in her world of pain.

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> Months passed and then one day Mick got a book from the library

thinking it was a gardening book entitled Back to Eden by Jethro

Klaus. I am not selling this book I am just telling it like it is.

She saw in those pages the same thing that I had been telling her and

I was elated. Mick began with a totally fruit diet, and immediately

got diarea. She was still taking her pain medication and sleep

medication. After three days her brain fog began to lift. She

slowly began to add vegetables into her diet over the next week and

began to follow a program called SIT AND BE FIT that was designed for

those who could not exercise normally. She began slowely to begin

walking. At first it was across the room. Then out to the mail

box. Then slowely and painfully out to the road. She began to wean

herself off her her medications and her bowel movements began to

improve dramatically. She no longer had any brain fog and the the

pain began to appear less and less. Her exercise program got more

and more intense and soon she could walk farther and faster than I

could. The woman that I married had returned to me. My children had

their mother back. Yes there is an occasional event or slip up on

the diet but as long as she stays with her diet and excercise she is

now symptom free. The eighteen pressure points do not exist any

more. No brain fog. She sleeps each night. She no longer walks with

a cane. Mick can actually RU N!!!!!!

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> For those of you who discount Micks story I would submit the

following:

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> Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue syndrom affects 7 percent of the

population. It began in the early 18 hundreds with the influx of

food additives that are used in our food. The doctors say that there

is no cure and some even suggest that it is non-existant. I submit

that we have found the cure. I submit that Doctors are ignorant as to

any aspect of the syndrome. If you choose to follow the advise of

doctors who admit that they do not understand the syndrome you will

get worse. If you choose to be well you will try anything, no matter

how simple. What Mick has been trying to offer is the simplest yet

hardest solutioin. It requires that you completely altar your

lifestyle. It costs little or nothing. The only thing you need to

give is three months of your time and willpower. If you stick to the

diet you will get better. If you do not you will not get better.

That you fight against the information that MIck is offering to you

free of charge, from a person who suffered more symptoms and pain

than most of you diagnosed with the syndromes, is the epitome of

ridiculous. That you would rather take the advise of those who do

not nor ever have suffered and have never recovered from the syndrom

is nothing short of amazing. Mick has been there, she spent six

years living (or not living) through those moments that you all know

and had found a cure. That you discount her information, that you

find it simplistic, that you would rather spend a fortune on this

medication and that medication, on hospital visits and test after

test is silly. That you would rather keep your processed foods and

lay on the couch not trying to get better is crazy. It took years

for you to aquire the syndrom and yet you will not spend 3 months of

discipline trying to cure it. I have my lovely, healthy wife back.

My children have their loving mother back. We are a family again.

Is it not worth three months to you? |Have you not yet come to that

point where you will do anything to get better. Would you rather

spend your energies fighting against what MIck is telling you?

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