Re: HAIR TEST INFO was=>Re: Article about thyroid assessment

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Andy Cutler, PhD is a chemist who has written the most comprehensively on

Amalgam Illness (great book!), and Interpretation of Hair Analysis (just

released). His protocols for chelation are the most biochemically sound. The

Autism-Mercury List (not moderated) and the Frequent Dose Chelation (more for

chelating adults) lists are the largest and (IMHO) best lists on bio-med

recovery from mineral toxicity. Mercury can really dysregulate thyroid,

adrenal, and pituitary, and other brain/organ functions. Lots of us have thyroid

trouble. Getting the thyroid/adrenal support, and getting the mercury (and other

dysregulated metals) chelated is important to recovery for me and thousands of

others.

Doctors Data Inc hair tests are easiest to read and use. Some folks only have

access to Great Smokies Lab or another hair test lab like the one mentioned

recently. I've had both Great Smokies and DDI, and by far, DDI is the one I

prefer. The trouble with hair tests is that, as with other labs, people in

California and NY either have to go through a doctor or health care provider (I

went through a dietician) or go through figuring out how to have the kit

initially sent by way of an out of state friend or family member....Usually

these people DO NOT really understand how to interpret the tests, therefore,

hair test and Andy's book are very useful together.

....

Re: Article about thyroid assessment

Hello All,

Just to comment on the article as well I believe

that a hair tissue mineral analysis would offer and

excellent info about thyroid info and toxicity levels

in the body right?, but my doc wouldn't go for that

either. I think I requested that and he did blood

work. It was like pulling teeth just to get him to do

a Free 3 & 4. Anyway where would someone get that

done?

Thanks in Advance..

Bye,

Rockette

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> Andy Cutler, PhD is a chemist who has written the most comprehensively on

Amalgam Illness (great book!), and Interpretation of Hair Analysis (just

released). His protocols for chelation are the most biochemically sound. >

Someone recently posted an article whose author thought oral chelation (but

not IV) was dangerous. Dr. Lawrence doesn't like chelation for many

reasons. So there is an argument that chelation itself is not biochemically

sound.

Are you saying Andy Cutler has written the most comprehensively on hair

analysis? I am not familiar with his work, and I suspect you are not

familiar with Dr. Lawrence 's Nutritional Balancing and Hair Mineral

Analysis, first published in 1991. Let's withhold the platitudes unless

you've had a chance to examine both works.

> Doctors Data Inc hair tests are easiest to read and use. Some folks only

have access to Great Smokies Lab or another hair test lab like the one

mentioned recently. I've had both Great Smokies and DDI, and by far, DDI is

the one I prefer.

> ...

The problem with any lab that washes the hair, as does Great Smokies, DDI,

and all others except TEI and ARL, is that water-soluble minerals are

erratically lost. What matters the most is not how easy you can read the

results but how accurate the results are. The potassium and sodium levels

in lab-washed hair are not accurate, and they are critical to understanding

adrenal and thyroid function. My regular holistic doctor uses DDI (he never

heard of ARL), and he says many of the values on the DDI analysis are

meaningless. The two labs that don't wash the hair sample have the most

consistent results, and the results correlate well with symptoms.

Hair analysis is complex. I like having my hair analysis assessed by

someone who has had 18 years of private practice focusing on the use of

trace mineral testing to assess body chemistry and guide the design of diet

and supplement programs. Having Dr. 's book helped me understand his

assessment better, so I agree that the books are very worthwhile.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of Cutler's and 's books.

But I'm feeling too poor right now to buy Cutler's book too.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> Andy Cutler, PhD is a chemist who has written the most comprehensively on

Amalgam Illness (great book!), and Interpretation of Hair Analysis (just

released). His protocols for chelation are the most biochemically sound. >

Someone recently posted an article whose author thought oral chelation (but

not IV) was dangerous. Dr. Lawrence doesn't like chelation for many

reasons. So there is an argument that chelation itself is not biochemically

sound.

Are you saying Andy Cutler has written the most comprehensively on hair

analysis? I am not familiar with his work, and I suspect you are not

familiar with Dr. Lawrence 's Nutritional Balancing and Hair Mineral

Analysis, first published in 1991. Let's withhold the platitudes unless

you've had a chance to examine both works.

> Doctors Data Inc hair tests are easiest to read and use. Some folks only

have access to Great Smokies Lab or another hair test lab like the one

mentioned recently. I've had both Great Smokies and DDI, and by far, DDI is

the one I prefer.

> ...

The problem with any lab that washes the hair, as does Great Smokies, DDI,

and all others except TEI and ARL, is that water-soluble minerals are

erratically lost. What matters the most is not how easy you can read the

results but how accurate the results are. The potassium and sodium levels

in lab-washed hair are not accurate, and they are critical to understanding

adrenal and thyroid function. My regular holistic doctor uses DDI (he never

heard of ARL), and he says many of the values on the DDI analysis are

meaningless. The two labs that don't wash the hair sample have the most

consistent results, and the results correlate well with symptoms.

Hair analysis is complex. I like having my hair analysis assessed by

someone who has had 18 years of private practice focusing on the use of

trace mineral testing to assess body chemistry and guide the design of diet

and supplement programs. Having Dr. 's book helped me understand his

assessment better, so I agree that the books are very worthwhile.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of Cutler's and 's books.

But I'm feeling too poor right now to buy Cutler's book too.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> Andy Cutler, PhD is a chemist who has written the most comprehensively on

Amalgam Illness (great book!), and Interpretation of Hair Analysis (just

released). His protocols for chelation are the most biochemically sound. >

Someone recently posted an article whose author thought oral chelation (but

not IV) was dangerous. Dr. Lawrence doesn't like chelation for many

reasons. So there is an argument that chelation itself is not biochemically

sound.

Are you saying Andy Cutler has written the most comprehensively on hair

analysis? I am not familiar with his work, and I suspect you are not

familiar with Dr. Lawrence 's Nutritional Balancing and Hair Mineral

Analysis, first published in 1991. Let's withhold the platitudes unless

you've had a chance to examine both works.

> Doctors Data Inc hair tests are easiest to read and use. Some folks only

have access to Great Smokies Lab or another hair test lab like the one

mentioned recently. I've had both Great Smokies and DDI, and by far, DDI is

the one I prefer.

> ...

The problem with any lab that washes the hair, as does Great Smokies, DDI,

and all others except TEI and ARL, is that water-soluble minerals are

erratically lost. What matters the most is not how easy you can read the

results but how accurate the results are. The potassium and sodium levels

in lab-washed hair are not accurate, and they are critical to understanding

adrenal and thyroid function. My regular holistic doctor uses DDI (he never

heard of ARL), and he says many of the values on the DDI analysis are

meaningless. The two labs that don't wash the hair sample have the most

consistent results, and the results correlate well with symptoms.

Hair analysis is complex. I like having my hair analysis assessed by

someone who has had 18 years of private practice focusing on the use of

trace mineral testing to assess body chemistry and guide the design of diet

and supplement programs. Having Dr. 's book helped me understand his

assessment better, so I agree that the books are very worthwhile.

It would be interesting to see a comparison of Cutler's and 's books.

But I'm feeling too poor right now to buy Cutler's book too.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I seem to have offended you. Now we are even.

I don't get paid any more than you do for my posts. And I am grateful for the

help I've received on this list.

....

>Let's withhold the platitudes unless

>you've had a chance to examine both works.

....

>It would be interesting to see a comparison of Cutler's

>and 's books.

>But I'm feeling too poor right now to buy Cutler's book too.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I seem to have offended you. Now we are even.

I don't get paid any more than you do for my posts. And I am grateful for the

help I've received on this list.

....

>Let's withhold the platitudes unless

>you've had a chance to examine both works.

....

>It would be interesting to see a comparison of Cutler's

>and 's books.

>But I'm feeling too poor right now to buy Cutler's book too.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

..> I'm sorry, I seem to have offended you. Now we are even.

>

> I don't get paid any more than you do for my posts. And I am grateful for

the help I've received on this list.

>

> ...

Yes, my feathers did get ruffled at your apparent assertion that Cutler had

written the most comprehensive book on hair analysis. It did seem like a

put down to Dr. , and I felt offended because I had been talking about

his work.

I was trying to make the point that unless we've read both of their works,

we're not in a position to say this one is better or that one is most

whatever.

I really don't want to play a game of dueling experts, and I too am sorry if

I offended you. I am happy more work has been published about hair

analysis, because I think it has much to contribute, if the analysis and

interpretation are done correctly. I'm glad you told us about Dr. Cutler's

books, but since I haven't read them, I'm not in a position to comment

about them. Because Dr. Cutler is a biochemist, I think he may have a

valuable perspective. So many M.Ds seem to have an axe to grind about any

alternative diagnostic methods. Just as there is really lousy research done

that concludes that T4 treatment is better than T4/T3 treatment ( Shomon

talks about the latest in

http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/a/march2005study.htm?nl=1),

so is there lousy " research " that concludes hair analysis is worthless.

What I learned from Dr. 's book and web articles is that hyper and

hypo thyroidism can be alleviated by correcting nutritional imbalances,

which oftentimes start with exposure to toxins. Correcting nutritional

imbalances and other cleansing methods (not just flushes) can help get rid

of our toxins and even improve so-called genetically caused diseases.

Instead of feeling like victims of environmental exposures, stressful life

situations, bad genetics, etc., we can actually do something to undo all

those ill effects.

I was excited to have found a method that I think addresses the underlying

causes, and I wanted to share what I learned with this list because I think

this group is open to non-traditional techniques. I too am grateful for

the many new things I have learned since belonging to this list. I hope

there is room for discussion of the pros and cons of various approaches. I

think we're all just looking for wellness.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

..> I'm sorry, I seem to have offended you. Now we are even.

>

> I don't get paid any more than you do for my posts. And I am grateful for

the help I've received on this list.

>

> ...

Yes, my feathers did get ruffled at your apparent assertion that Cutler had

written the most comprehensive book on hair analysis. It did seem like a

put down to Dr. , and I felt offended because I had been talking about

his work.

I was trying to make the point that unless we've read both of their works,

we're not in a position to say this one is better or that one is most

whatever.

I really don't want to play a game of dueling experts, and I too am sorry if

I offended you. I am happy more work has been published about hair

analysis, because I think it has much to contribute, if the analysis and

interpretation are done correctly. I'm glad you told us about Dr. Cutler's

books, but since I haven't read them, I'm not in a position to comment

about them. Because Dr. Cutler is a biochemist, I think he may have a

valuable perspective. So many M.Ds seem to have an axe to grind about any

alternative diagnostic methods. Just as there is really lousy research done

that concludes that T4 treatment is better than T4/T3 treatment ( Shomon

talks about the latest in

http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/a/march2005study.htm?nl=1),

so is there lousy " research " that concludes hair analysis is worthless.

What I learned from Dr. 's book and web articles is that hyper and

hypo thyroidism can be alleviated by correcting nutritional imbalances,

which oftentimes start with exposure to toxins. Correcting nutritional

imbalances and other cleansing methods (not just flushes) can help get rid

of our toxins and even improve so-called genetically caused diseases.

Instead of feeling like victims of environmental exposures, stressful life

situations, bad genetics, etc., we can actually do something to undo all

those ill effects.

I was excited to have found a method that I think addresses the underlying

causes, and I wanted to share what I learned with this list because I think

this group is open to non-traditional techniques. I too am grateful for

the many new things I have learned since belonging to this list. I hope

there is room for discussion of the pros and cons of various approaches. I

think we're all just looking for wellness.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

..> I'm sorry, I seem to have offended you. Now we are even.

>

> I don't get paid any more than you do for my posts. And I am grateful for

the help I've received on this list.

>

> ...

Yes, my feathers did get ruffled at your apparent assertion that Cutler had

written the most comprehensive book on hair analysis. It did seem like a

put down to Dr. , and I felt offended because I had been talking about

his work.

I was trying to make the point that unless we've read both of their works,

we're not in a position to say this one is better or that one is most

whatever.

I really don't want to play a game of dueling experts, and I too am sorry if

I offended you. I am happy more work has been published about hair

analysis, because I think it has much to contribute, if the analysis and

interpretation are done correctly. I'm glad you told us about Dr. Cutler's

books, but since I haven't read them, I'm not in a position to comment

about them. Because Dr. Cutler is a biochemist, I think he may have a

valuable perspective. So many M.Ds seem to have an axe to grind about any

alternative diagnostic methods. Just as there is really lousy research done

that concludes that T4 treatment is better than T4/T3 treatment ( Shomon

talks about the latest in

http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/a/march2005study.htm?nl=1),

so is there lousy " research " that concludes hair analysis is worthless.

What I learned from Dr. 's book and web articles is that hyper and

hypo thyroidism can be alleviated by correcting nutritional imbalances,

which oftentimes start with exposure to toxins. Correcting nutritional

imbalances and other cleansing methods (not just flushes) can help get rid

of our toxins and even improve so-called genetically caused diseases.

Instead of feeling like victims of environmental exposures, stressful life

situations, bad genetics, etc., we can actually do something to undo all

those ill effects.

I was excited to have found a method that I think addresses the underlying

causes, and I wanted to share what I learned with this list because I think

this group is open to non-traditional techniques. I too am grateful for

the many new things I have learned since belonging to this list. I hope

there is room for discussion of the pros and cons of various approaches. I

think we're all just looking for wellness.

Lynn