Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 , Here in the US we have not been able to pass any particular laws to even consider tax breaks or any other type of incentives to encourage people to donate either their loved one's organs or for people willing to donate part of their own to someone. I'm not sure why this is so. I have an in with an Idaho Senator, I can ask why that is and see if they can get an answer. , if you would like to have a frank discussion about ethics, morals, and faith in considering transplants, I'd be happy to do it with you privately without any type of pontificating. I am a person of great faith, but I do not mind exploring complex situations dealing with faith, ethics or otherwise. I read a lot of scripture, poetry, philosopy, and Shakespeare. My nonbelieving friends find me very open and willing to consider other's view. I can certainly see why this is such a difficult concept to embrace or even consider. People have very strong, passionate feelings on life and death issues. Anyway, if you feel no desire to discuss it, no problem. I just didn't want to deal with people getting all upset. Take care, Cheryl ID, PSC/UC/RP/undx kidney problem Presumed Consent Laws > Also, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about " presumed consent " laws. In at least a couple countries, they practice " presumed consent, " which means that you are automatically presumed to be an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be. We do exactly the opposite. They, of course, have little shortage of organs. Is there an ethical reason why we don't do it this way? People could still " opt out " if they have religous grounds or are paranoid. Is this a viable alternative that could be fought for here in the States? > > in Ohio > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 , Here in the US we have not been able to pass any particular laws to even consider tax breaks or any other type of incentives to encourage people to donate either their loved one's organs or for people willing to donate part of their own to someone. I'm not sure why this is so. I have an in with an Idaho Senator, I can ask why that is and see if they can get an answer. , if you would like to have a frank discussion about ethics, morals, and faith in considering transplants, I'd be happy to do it with you privately without any type of pontificating. I am a person of great faith, but I do not mind exploring complex situations dealing with faith, ethics or otherwise. I read a lot of scripture, poetry, philosopy, and Shakespeare. My nonbelieving friends find me very open and willing to consider other's view. I can certainly see why this is such a difficult concept to embrace or even consider. People have very strong, passionate feelings on life and death issues. Anyway, if you feel no desire to discuss it, no problem. I just didn't want to deal with people getting all upset. Take care, Cheryl ID, PSC/UC/RP/undx kidney problem Presumed Consent Laws > Also, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about " presumed consent " laws. In at least a couple countries, they practice " presumed consent, " which means that you are automatically presumed to be an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be. We do exactly the opposite. They, of course, have little shortage of organs. Is there an ethical reason why we don't do it this way? People could still " opt out " if they have religous grounds or are paranoid. Is this a viable alternative that could be fought for here in the States? > > in Ohio > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Thanks for the info, Cheryl. It is odd that organ donation is sort of taboo. I wonder if it has to do with stereotypes and misconceptions. I'd be curious if there is any/has been any talk of presumed consent. I'll look into it more. And thanks for the offer to write to me privately. As I said in my response to Lori, I'm not quite able to formulate my problem with the whole transplant situation--so I am looking for other perspectives. From my own life, struggling through ideas has been the only way to come to peace with then. And to be fair, I was responding to a post about religion, saying transplantation was okay in Christianity. If my questioning is too upsetting, I'll try to stick to posting only about the medical aspects of this condition. But it does seem like other people must also deal with ideas. Just my thoughts. But I'll shut up about it. > > , > Here in the US we have not been able to pass any particular laws to even consider tax breaks or any other type of incentives to encourage people to donate either their loved one's organs or for people willing to donate part of their own to someone. I'm not sure why this is so. I have an in with an Idaho Senator, I can ask why that is and see if they can get an answer. , if you would like to have a frank discussion about ethics, morals, and faith in considering transplants, I'd be happy to do it with you privately without any type of pontificating. I am a person of great faith, but I do not mind exploring complex situations dealing with faith, ethics or otherwise. I read a lot of scripture, poetry, philosopy, and Shakespeare. My nonbelieving friends find me very open and willing to consider other's view. I can certainly see why this is such a difficult concept to embrace or even consider. People have very strong, passionate feelings on life and death issues. Anyway, if you feel > no desire to discuss it, no problem. I just didn't want to deal with people getting all upset. Take care, Cheryl ID, PSC/UC/RP/undx kidney problem > Presumed Consent Laws > > > Also, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about " presumed consent " laws. In at least a couple countries, they practice " presumed consent, " which means that you are automatically presumed to be an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be. We do exactly the opposite. They, of course, have little shortage of organs. Is there an ethical reason why we don't do it this way? People could still " opt out " if they have religous grounds or are paranoid. Is this a viable alternative that could be fought for here in the States? > > > > in Ohio > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 , I have no problem with you mixing PSC with "religion". I think it is good. We should be able to share are thoughts no matter what they are. Whenever someone is struck with a serious illness we all at somepoint look to God for answers outside ourselves since death is a possiblity. Lori A. "Aggressively Pursuing Solutions To Your Real Estate Needs!" First Weber Group Cell: 1507 E. Sunset Drive Waukesha, WI 53189 LoriUSA@... www.Lori.FirstWeber.com Click here To: Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:59:55 AMSubject: Re: Presumed Consent Laws Thanks for the info, Cheryl. It is odd that organ donation is sort of taboo. I wonder if it has to do with stereotypes and misconceptions. I'd be curious if there is any/has been any talk of presumed consent. I'll look into it more. And thanks for the offer to write to me privately. As I said in my response to Lori, I'm not quite able to formulate my problem with the whole transplant situation--so I am looking for other perspectives. From my own life, struggling through ideas has been the only way to come to peace with then. And to be fair, I was responding to a post about religion, saying transplantation was okay in Christianity. If my questioning is too upsetting, I'll try to stick to posting only about the medical aspects of this condition. But it does seem like other people must also deal with ideas. Just my thoughts. But I'll shut up about it. >> ,> Here in the US we have not been able to pass any particular laws to even consider tax breaks or any other type of incentives to encourage people to donate either their loved one's organs or for people willing to donate part of their own to someone. I'm not sure why this is so. I have an in with an Idaho Senator, I can ask why that is and see if they can get an answer. , if you would like to have a frank discussion about ethics, morals, and faith in considering transplants, I'd be happy to do it with you privately without any type of pontificating. I am a person of great faith, but I do not mind exploring complex situations dealing with faith, ethics or otherwise. I read a lot of scripture, poetry, philosopy, and Shakespeare. My nonbelieving friends find me very open and willing to consider other's view. I can certainly see why this is such a difficult concept to embrace or even consider. People have very strong, passionate feelings on life and death issues. Anyway, if you feel> no desire to discuss it, no problem. I just didn't want to deal with people getting all upset. Take care, Cheryl ID, PSC/UC/RP/undx kidney problem> Presumed Consent Laws> > > Also, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about "presumed consent" laws. In at least a couple countries, they practice "presumed consent," which means that you are automatically presumed to be an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be. We do exactly the opposite. They, of course, have little shortage of organs. Is there an ethical reason why we don't do it this way? People could still "opt out" if they have religous grounds or are paranoid. Is this a viable alternative that could be fought for here in the States? > > > > in Ohio> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 , I have no problem with you mixing PSC with "religion". I think it is good. We should be able to share are thoughts no matter what they are. Whenever someone is struck with a serious illness we all at somepoint look to God for answers outside ourselves since death is a possiblity. Lori A. "Aggressively Pursuing Solutions To Your Real Estate Needs!" First Weber Group Cell: 1507 E. Sunset Drive Waukesha, WI 53189 LoriUSA@... www.Lori.FirstWeber.com Click here To: Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:59:55 AMSubject: Re: Presumed Consent Laws Thanks for the info, Cheryl. It is odd that organ donation is sort of taboo. I wonder if it has to do with stereotypes and misconceptions. I'd be curious if there is any/has been any talk of presumed consent. I'll look into it more. And thanks for the offer to write to me privately. As I said in my response to Lori, I'm not quite able to formulate my problem with the whole transplant situation--so I am looking for other perspectives. From my own life, struggling through ideas has been the only way to come to peace with then. And to be fair, I was responding to a post about religion, saying transplantation was okay in Christianity. If my questioning is too upsetting, I'll try to stick to posting only about the medical aspects of this condition. But it does seem like other people must also deal with ideas. Just my thoughts. But I'll shut up about it. >> ,> Here in the US we have not been able to pass any particular laws to even consider tax breaks or any other type of incentives to encourage people to donate either their loved one's organs or for people willing to donate part of their own to someone. I'm not sure why this is so. I have an in with an Idaho Senator, I can ask why that is and see if they can get an answer. , if you would like to have a frank discussion about ethics, morals, and faith in considering transplants, I'd be happy to do it with you privately without any type of pontificating. I am a person of great faith, but I do not mind exploring complex situations dealing with faith, ethics or otherwise. I read a lot of scripture, poetry, philosopy, and Shakespeare. My nonbelieving friends find me very open and willing to consider other's view. I can certainly see why this is such a difficult concept to embrace or even consider. People have very strong, passionate feelings on life and death issues. Anyway, if you feel> no desire to discuss it, no problem. I just didn't want to deal with people getting all upset. Take care, Cheryl ID, PSC/UC/RP/undx kidney problem> Presumed Consent Laws> > > Also, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about "presumed consent" laws. In at least a couple countries, they practice "presumed consent," which means that you are automatically presumed to be an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be. We do exactly the opposite. They, of course, have little shortage of organs. Is there an ethical reason why we don't do it this way? People could still "opt out" if they have religous grounds or are paranoid. Is this a viable alternative that could be fought for here in the States? > > > > in Ohio> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 , I have no problem with you mixing PSC with "religion". I think it is good. We should be able to share are thoughts no matter what they are. Whenever someone is struck with a serious illness we all at somepoint look to God for answers outside ourselves since death is a possiblity. Lori A. "Aggressively Pursuing Solutions To Your Real Estate Needs!" First Weber Group Cell: 1507 E. Sunset Drive Waukesha, WI 53189 LoriUSA@... www.Lori.FirstWeber.com Click here To: Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 6:59:55 AMSubject: Re: Presumed Consent Laws Thanks for the info, Cheryl. It is odd that organ donation is sort of taboo. I wonder if it has to do with stereotypes and misconceptions. I'd be curious if there is any/has been any talk of presumed consent. I'll look into it more. And thanks for the offer to write to me privately. As I said in my response to Lori, I'm not quite able to formulate my problem with the whole transplant situation--so I am looking for other perspectives. From my own life, struggling through ideas has been the only way to come to peace with then. And to be fair, I was responding to a post about religion, saying transplantation was okay in Christianity. If my questioning is too upsetting, I'll try to stick to posting only about the medical aspects of this condition. But it does seem like other people must also deal with ideas. Just my thoughts. But I'll shut up about it. >> ,> Here in the US we have not been able to pass any particular laws to even consider tax breaks or any other type of incentives to encourage people to donate either their loved one's organs or for people willing to donate part of their own to someone. I'm not sure why this is so. I have an in with an Idaho Senator, I can ask why that is and see if they can get an answer. , if you would like to have a frank discussion about ethics, morals, and faith in considering transplants, I'd be happy to do it with you privately without any type of pontificating. I am a person of great faith, but I do not mind exploring complex situations dealing with faith, ethics or otherwise. I read a lot of scripture, poetry, philosopy, and Shakespeare. My nonbelieving friends find me very open and willing to consider other's view. I can certainly see why this is such a difficult concept to embrace or even consider. People have very strong, passionate feelings on life and death issues. Anyway, if you feel> no desire to discuss it, no problem. I just didn't want to deal with people getting all upset. Take care, Cheryl ID, PSC/UC/RP/undx kidney problem> Presumed Consent Laws> > > Also, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about "presumed consent" laws. In at least a couple countries, they practice "presumed consent," which means that you are automatically presumed to be an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be. We do exactly the opposite. They, of course, have little shortage of organs. Is there an ethical reason why we don't do it this way? People could still "opt out" if they have religous grounds or are paranoid. Is this a viable alternative that could be fought for here in the States? > > > > in Ohio> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 , I think I've heard there is some talk about " presumed consent " laws going on around the White House. I think the new administration has at least been talking about it. That would be a good topic to bring up at the conference in Chicago. Jeannie Also, I'm curious if anyone knows anything about " presumed consent " laws. In at least a couple countries, they practice " presumed consent, " which means that you are automatically presumed to be an organ donor unless you specifically request not to be. We do exactly the opposite. They, of course, have little shortage of organs. Is there an ethical reason why we don't do it this way? People could still " opt out " if they have religous grounds or are paranoid. Is this a viable alternative that could be fought for here in the States? in Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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