Re: Re: Facebook/Private information

March 23, 2009

CB...

Couldn't have said this any better....I don't even put my picture on my facebook....(don't wish to scare anyone tee he)...there's JUST to many people out there that don't THINK! There intenttions are ment well...just not in todays world. ONE MUST ALWAYS ask another if it's OK to use a email address or photo.....

Don B. PSC /UC 11-08

Subject: Re: Facebook/Private informationTo: Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:55 PM

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been

handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are

constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

CB...

Couldn't have said this any better....I don't even put my picture on my facebook....(don't wish to scare anyone tee he)...there's JUST to many people out there that don't THINK! There intenttions are ment well...just not in todays world. ONE MUST ALWAYS ask another if it's OK to use a email address or photo.....

Don B. PSC /UC 11-08

Subject: Re: Facebook/Private informationTo: Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:55 PM

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been

handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are

constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

CB...

Couldn't have said this any better....I don't even put my picture on my facebook....(don't wish to scare anyone tee he)...there's JUST to many people out there that don't THINK! There intenttions are ment well...just not in todays world. ONE MUST ALWAYS ask another if it's OK to use a email address or photo.....

Don B. PSC /UC 11-08

Subject: Re: Facebook/Private informationTo: Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:55 PM

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been

handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are

constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

When you agree to be on facebook in any capacity, facebook collects all of your email information, all those you have emailed and all those who have emailed you and connects you with those people and the friends of all those people and on and on. Even though you have to accept people as friends it still is revealed. If any one in the PSC group has your personal email it should be available to all of your friends when you join the PSC group in Facebook. When you join facebook accept that to happen. At least that is what I have experienced and know to be true. Facebook is also full of viruses so be careful.

Click here!

Lori A.

"Aggressively Pursuing Solutions To Your Real Estate Needs!"

First Weber Group

Cell:

1507 E. Sunset Drive

Waukesha, WI 53189

LoriUSA@...

www.Lori.FirstWeber.com

To: Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:55:26 PMSubject: Re: Facebook/Private information

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been handled privately. I also recall a

member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are constantly warned to keep an eye on their

kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

When you agree to be on facebook in any capacity, facebook collects all of your email information, all those you have emailed and all those who have emailed you and connects you with those people and the friends of all those people and on and on. Even though you have to accept people as friends it still is revealed. If any one in the PSC group has your personal email it should be available to all of your friends when you join the PSC group in Facebook. When you join facebook accept that to happen. At least that is what I have experienced and know to be true. Facebook is also full of viruses so be careful.

Click here!

Lori A.

"Aggressively Pursuing Solutions To Your Real Estate Needs!"

First Weber Group

Cell:

1507 E. Sunset Drive

Waukesha, WI 53189

LoriUSA@...

www.Lori.FirstWeber.com

To: Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:55:26 PMSubject: Re: Facebook/Private information

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been handled privately. I also recall a

member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are constantly warned to keep an eye on their

kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

When you agree to be on facebook in any capacity, facebook collects all of your email information, all those you have emailed and all those who have emailed you and connects you with those people and the friends of all those people and on and on. Even though you have to accept people as friends it still is revealed. If any one in the PSC group has your personal email it should be available to all of your friends when you join the PSC group in Facebook. When you join facebook accept that to happen. At least that is what I have experienced and know to be true. Facebook is also full of viruses so be careful.

Click here!

Lori A.

"Aggressively Pursuing Solutions To Your Real Estate Needs!"

First Weber Group

Cell:

1507 E. Sunset Drive

Waukesha, WI 53189

LoriUSA@...

www.Lori.FirstWeber.com

To: Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:55:26 PMSubject: Re: Facebook/Private information

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been handled privately. I also recall a

member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are constantly warned to keep an eye on their

kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

Carolyn,

Yes, you are right! When I questioned a member about different Names with the same email address it should have been done privately, and I meant to, but I used " reply to " and forgot to remove from the to Box (until one second after I had sent it). I try to protect people secrets, but sometimes I do make mistakes! Sorry.

I only copy caring bridge updates if a person has previously given me permission to and I only include in my photo lists only those that have given me permission. That is why the number of photos is so much smaller than the number of friends I report. The information I put on that list is generally available to anybody with a average technological ability and Internet access. The email address for Sandi,

although you need to be her friend (and she basically said she would accept friendship from anybody on this site) is up and available on her facebook site.

My apologies to Sandi. I hope I can apologise in person at the conference.

Ian

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@... is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?

===========================That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.

I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!

Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!

Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

-- Ian Cribb P.Eng.cell: (6...Enefen - Reviewer/Designerwww.enefen.com

March 23, 2009

Carolyn,

Yes, you are right! When I questioned a member about different Names with the same email address it should have been done privately, and I meant to, but I used " reply to " and forgot to remove from the to Box (until one second after I had sent it). I try to protect people secrets, but sometimes I do make mistakes! Sorry.

I only copy caring bridge updates if a person has previously given me permission to and I only include in my photo lists only those that have given me permission. That is why the number of photos is so much smaller than the number of friends I report. The information I put on that list is generally available to anybody with a average technological ability and Internet access. The email address for Sandi,

although you need to be her friend (and she basically said she would accept friendship from anybody on this site) is up and available on her facebook site.

My apologies to Sandi. I hope I can apologise in person at the conference.

Ian

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@... is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?

===========================That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.

I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!

Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!

Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

-- Ian Cribb P.Eng.cell: (6...Enefen - Reviewer/Designerwww.enefen.com

March 23, 2009

Carolyn,

Yes, you are right! When I questioned a member about different Names with the same email address it should have been done privately, and I meant to, but I used " reply to " and forgot to remove from the to Box (until one second after I had sent it). I try to protect people secrets, but sometimes I do make mistakes! Sorry.

I only copy caring bridge updates if a person has previously given me permission to and I only include in my photo lists only those that have given me permission. That is why the number of photos is so much smaller than the number of friends I report. The information I put on that list is generally available to anybody with a average technological ability and Internet access. The email address for Sandi,

although you need to be her friend (and she basically said she would accept friendship from anybody on this site) is up and available on her facebook site.

My apologies to Sandi. I hope I can apologise in person at the conference.

Ian

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@... is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?

===========================That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.

I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!

Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!

Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

-- Ian Cribb P.Eng.cell: (6...Enefen - Reviewer/Designerwww.enefen.com

March 23, 2009

It's a tough issue - we just went through wrestling with this in another (real-life nomadic) community I belong to in which we connect between gatherings via the internet. Which internet space, and how private it needs to be, and whether making a group for us on facebook would detract from participation in the existing private listserv were real, hotly debated, concerns.I figure anything I put on the internet, even behind privacy curtains, can be found. As far as my personal information - I figure if I put it somewhere it can be found I'm not going to get too upset when it is found (and shared). I have two internet worlds - one I guard more carefully which you probably won't find (or you may not recognize me if you do find me), and everything else where I use my real name (which includes facebook). That said, I never post

anyone else's name, picture, e-mail address, snail mail address, or phone number without their express consent - even if it was easy for me to find.I did have to think a bit when Ian "friended" me - mostly because I know that Facebook is rather odd as far as privacy goes - so enforcing my own rule about not sharing other people's informaiton gets a little fuzzy. For example, if I can access someone else's picture through my newsfeed, anyone who can access me can generally access all of the pictures that are in the album in that unrelated person's space - even if that unrelated person requires "friendship" to access the rest of their information. Sometimes there's a lot of information associated with those pictures via the comments.Facebook is less intuitive about how to keep information private than most other internet spaces in which I participate - so I'm not sure whether each of my friends realizes how much they are

revealing (and up until I accepted Ian's request they all were face-to-face friends or relatives). On the other hand, I already have friends from 5 separate communities who have at least limited access to each others' information already - so to some extent, that ship already sailed.

From: Carolyn B. <verviersbe (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Facebook/Private informationTo: @ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:55 PM

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been

handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are

constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

It's a tough issue - we just went through wrestling with this in another (real-life nomadic) community I belong to in which we connect between gatherings via the internet. Which internet space, and how private it needs to be, and whether making a group for us on facebook would detract from participation in the existing private listserv were real, hotly debated, concerns.I figure anything I put on the internet, even behind privacy curtains, can be found. As far as my personal information - I figure if I put it somewhere it can be found I'm not going to get too upset when it is found (and shared). I have two internet worlds - one I guard more carefully which you probably won't find (or you may not recognize me if you do find me), and everything else where I use my real name (which includes facebook). That said, I never post

anyone else's name, picture, e-mail address, snail mail address, or phone number without their express consent - even if it was easy for me to find.I did have to think a bit when Ian "friended" me - mostly because I know that Facebook is rather odd as far as privacy goes - so enforcing my own rule about not sharing other people's informaiton gets a little fuzzy. For example, if I can access someone else's picture through my newsfeed, anyone who can access me can generally access all of the pictures that are in the album in that unrelated person's space - even if that unrelated person requires "friendship" to access the rest of their information. Sometimes there's a lot of information associated with those pictures via the comments.Facebook is less intuitive about how to keep information private than most other internet spaces in which I participate - so I'm not sure whether each of my friends realizes how much they are

revealing (and up until I accepted Ian's request they all were face-to-face friends or relatives). On the other hand, I already have friends from 5 separate communities who have at least limited access to each others' information already - so to some extent, that ship already sailed.

From: Carolyn B. <verviersbe (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Facebook/Private informationTo: @ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:55 PM

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been

handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are

constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

It's a tough issue - we just went through wrestling with this in another (real-life nomadic) community I belong to in which we connect between gatherings via the internet. Which internet space, and how private it needs to be, and whether making a group for us on facebook would detract from participation in the existing private listserv were real, hotly debated, concerns.I figure anything I put on the internet, even behind privacy curtains, can be found. As far as my personal information - I figure if I put it somewhere it can be found I'm not going to get too upset when it is found (and shared). I have two internet worlds - one I guard more carefully which you probably won't find (or you may not recognize me if you do find me), and everything else where I use my real name (which includes facebook). That said, I never post

anyone else's name, picture, e-mail address, snail mail address, or phone number without their express consent - even if it was easy for me to find.I did have to think a bit when Ian "friended" me - mostly because I know that Facebook is rather odd as far as privacy goes - so enforcing my own rule about not sharing other people's informaiton gets a little fuzzy. For example, if I can access someone else's picture through my newsfeed, anyone who can access me can generally access all of the pictures that are in the album in that unrelated person's space - even if that unrelated person requires "friendship" to access the rest of their information. Sometimes there's a lot of information associated with those pictures via the comments.Facebook is less intuitive about how to keep information private than most other internet spaces in which I participate - so I'm not sure whether each of my friends realizes how much they are

revealing (and up until I accepted Ian's request they all were face-to-face friends or relatives). On the other hand, I already have friends from 5 separate communities who have at least limited access to each others' information already - so to some extent, that ship already sailed.

From: Carolyn B. <verviersbe (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Facebook/Private informationTo: @ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, March 23, 2009, 7:55 PM

>> ..... I just saw Ian's post where he was letting you all know how to find me on Facebook. I'd love to hear from any and all of you. Ian did give out my private e-mail though that I don't give out often and really only use for a few people. I'm not even sure how Ian got it! Anyhow, Kizzersmom@. .. is the address I prefer to use. Would you all mind forgetting he gave out the other one?============ ========= ======That's exactly what I was talking about!!! I recall at least one other member who was asked -- publicly -- why she was using one name here and another name on another site and what was her real name!! That's the sort of question which, if asked at all, should have been

handled privately. I also recall a member who dealt with stalking (I think from her ex, but my memory is fuzzy on this) and had to change her email address a couple of times.I'm not nearly so worried about FaceBook as I am about this group. There are over 1,000 members in this support group, yet only maybe a hundred or so post regularly. I'm just not wild about my private info going out to so many hundreds of strangers who might or might not have good intentions. Sort of like writing your name and address on a public building .... you don't have any idea who is going to see it!Today's world is full of uncertainty and, unfortunately, quite a lot of evil-minded people. That's why I never use my whole name on here (or any other website) and try to keep from giving out info which could help some wacko track me down! All you have to do is watch the news for a few nights to get example after example of this sort of thing. Parents are

constantly warned to keep an eye on their kids' internet activity and what info they give out, but they tend to be kinda slack when it comes to themselves!Ian -- I'll email you privately tomorrow. Right now I'm on a deadline and must get my copy in sometime tonight.Regards,Carolyn B. in SC

March 23, 2009

This is only true (collect email information) if you allow it to

happen (and it always asks). “Friend finder” is one application that requires

access to your address book. Personally, I’ve never allowed it.

As for viruses, it’s like any website with advertising. Make

sure you know what you’re clicking on!

Arne

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Lori

When

you agree to be on facebook in any capacity, facebook

collects all of your email information, all those you have

emailed and all those who have emailed you and connects you with those people

and the friends of all those people and on and on. Even though you have

to accept people as friends it still is revealed. If any one in the PSC

group has your personal email it should be available to all of your friends

when you join the PSC group in Facebook. When you join facebook accept

that to happen. At least that is what I have experienced and know to

be true. Facebook is also full of viruses so be careful.

March 23, 2009

The statement " When you agree to be on facebook in any capacity, facebook

collects all of

> your email information, all those you have emailed and all those who have

> emailed you and connects you with those people and the friends of all those

> people and on and on. " is not completly true.

I have been using facebook for a while, and I have never had them look at my

address list or emails to find a list of friends. I have hundreds of people

that i email on a daily basis and each one of them that i have found on facebook

i have done the manual way(searching and finding useing there name in the friend

finder sections)

Facebook has asked me to do a search of my address book, but I have always

denied it. Even if they did they wouldn't be able to find it as my address book

isn't held online (held in my outlook) and it wouldn't be able to get the

address from there.

Hope this helps clear this confussion in any way.

---- Arne stonehollowmn@...> wrote:

> This is only true (collect email information) if you allow it to happen (and

> it always asks). " Friend finder " is one application that requires access to

> your address book. Personally, I've never allowed it.

>

> As for viruses, it's like any website with advertising. Make sure you know

> what you're clicking on!

>

> Arne

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of Lori

>

> When you agree to be on facebook in any capacity, facebook collects all of

> your email information, all those you have emailed and all those who have

> emailed you and connects you with those people and the friends of all those

> people and on and on. Even though you have to accept people as friends it

> still is revealed. If any one in the PSC group has your personal email it

> should be available to all of your friends when you join the PSC group in

> Facebook. When you join facebook accept that to happen. At least that is

> what I have experienced and know to be true. Facebook is also full of

> viruses so be careful.

>

March 23, 2009

Ian (and everyone else!),

Hi! Ian, thanks for the apology. I know what you did came from a true desire

to be helpful and from a good place. I appreciate that. It's always sticky

giving out somebody else's information, but I know you did so with absolutely no

intent to harm or upset anyone! I did notice, however, a mention to some

members that my personal e-mail address is up on my Facebook site. It's

actually not and hasn't been for some time. Is it possible you have it

somewhere in your cache or that you're viewing a page through your computer's

history? In any case, the only people who can see any information (or any of

what's posted on my site) are people who I chose to accept as friends. You were

right though in that I do accept friend requests from a lot of PSCers and I'm

more than happy to do it and feel lucky to know so many great people through

this site!

For those of you concerned about privacy, one of the nice things about Facebook

is that you/I choose (as does any other Facebook user) what I/we want to appear

on our walls. If somebody else posts something to me that I don't want others

to access or see, I can delete it, use privacy settings, etc. Also, are you

aware that Facebook lets you put up paramaters? This means that you can, if you

choose to go this route, limit who can see what on your page. So, you could

" friend " somebody but not have them see everything that is posted on your page.

Does that make sense?

In any case, I think we're all making this Facebook thing sound scarier and more

difficult than it actually is. Perhaps the best way to handle things is to let

people decide for themselves whether or not they'd like to join Facebook and

friend other PSCers instead of giving out lists of people who say it's okay,

etc. That way, we avoid a lot of sticky issues and a lot of confusion versus

Groups and " friending. "

So, would you all be okay with a change in the status quo? Maybe from now on if

someone in this Yahoo group wants to join Facebook and friend other PSC

Facebookers, they can post up their own information.

Something like: Hi, I'm Sandi Pearlman and I'm on Facebook. I'd love some PSC

friends if anyone wants to friend me!

That way, nobody's information is being given out. Nobody is bullying or

researching or trying to persuade anyone to join Facebook, etc. but all the

opportunities to " friend " other PSCers still exist. I also think it might be

less confusing for people in general since everytime something like this happens

I get quite a few confused e-mails about whether there's a new PSC Partners

Facebook Group out there and/or wondering what the whole " okay to friend " list

thing is about.

So, long question/post short, how do you all feel about that? No more searching

each other and posting Facebook addresses, friends, etc. for anyone else on any

sites. We'll each be responsible for requesting our own online/FB friendships

and promoting our own FB availability so to speak. This change wouldn't affect

our official PSC Partners Facebook sites (PSC Partners Seeking a Cure) and/or

our Post Transplant site. Those would continue to function and advertise as

normal.

Sound good?

Hope this made sense!

Sandi in VA/Rochester

March 23, 2009