Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/2005 8:58:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@... writes: > I did a little reading and found the T4 has a half > life of 6-7 days. So, exactly what that means to this > " wait 4-6 weeks until we test again " thing, can > someone explain? Shouldn't it build up faster than 4-6 > weeks? > i think the waiting is in reference to the " time lag " of the TSH to respond to the T4 levels. which makes me even madder than i was at them using the TSH to dose. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/2005 8:58:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@... writes: > I did a little reading and found the T4 has a half > life of 6-7 days. So, exactly what that means to this > " wait 4-6 weeks until we test again " thing, can > someone explain? Shouldn't it build up faster than 4-6 > weeks? > i think the waiting is in reference to the " time lag " of the TSH to respond to the T4 levels. which makes me even madder than i was at them using the TSH to dose. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/2005 10:17:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@... writes: > On the other hand, meds like T4 can take several weeks to build in > the system to it's full effective amount, perhaps because you are > using it as you go along...so it takes awhile for the excess to > build.... but if we were low to begin with...how do we ever get ahead? until we get our dose upped. and is that why we crash when first beginning Armour...cause we don't have any stored...and we use up what we have...and so it's time to up the dose? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/2005 10:17:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@... writes: > On the other hand, meds like T4 can take several weeks to build in > the system to it's full effective amount, perhaps because you are > using it as you go along...so it takes awhile for the excess to > build.... but if we were low to begin with...how do we ever get ahead? until we get our dose upped. and is that why we crash when first beginning Armour...cause we don't have any stored...and we use up what we have...and so it's time to up the dose? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/2005 10:47:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@... writes: > LOL...yeah..it should have said 1/4 grain, which has a > very short life, right? I have been able to get to the > gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to > work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after > dinner...is that all T3 hard to say, kerry. but i have trouble believing the T3 in 1/4 grain would make that kind of difference. more likely is that you're getting enough T4 now to have enough overall...that your body is utilizing it better now that it's getting used to having necessary hormone...you're over 3 grains so you're getting that metabolic rate changed... yep, any number of reasons...but guess that's how it starts to feel when you reach that optimal dose...ya start feeling better and for longer...and are able to do more. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/2005 10:47:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@... writes: > LOL...yeah..it should have said 1/4 grain, which has a > very short life, right? I have been able to get to the > gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to > work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after > dinner...is that all T3 hard to say, kerry. but i have trouble believing the T3 in 1/4 grain would make that kind of difference. more likely is that you're getting enough T4 now to have enough overall...that your body is utilizing it better now that it's getting used to having necessary hormone...you're over 3 grains so you're getting that metabolic rate changed... yep, any number of reasons...but guess that's how it starts to feel when you reach that optimal dose...ya start feeling better and for longer...and are able to do more. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/2005 10:47:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@... writes: > LOL...yeah..it should have said 1/4 grain, which has a > very short life, right? I have been able to get to the > gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to > work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after > dinner...is that all T3 hard to say, kerry. but i have trouble believing the T3 in 1/4 grain would make that kind of difference. more likely is that you're getting enough T4 now to have enough overall...that your body is utilizing it better now that it's getting used to having necessary hormone...you're over 3 grains so you're getting that metabolic rate changed... yep, any number of reasons...but guess that's how it starts to feel when you reach that optimal dose...ya start feeling better and for longer...and are able to do more. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Kerry. You are actually talking about two totally different processes. Half life refers to the amount of time to takes for a drug to be metabolized or eliminated by your normal biological processes...i.e. if you stop taking a med, the effective amount you will have left in your system " 7 days later " . Some half lifes are shorter, some longer. On the other hand, meds like T4 can take several weeks to build in the system to it's full effective amount, perhaps because you are using it as you go along...so it takes awhile for the excess to build....it's like eating 2000 calories a day for many days--your body uses 1500 of those calories each day, leaving an excess of 500 calories.....and that excess builds and builds over time, until you eventually find yourself 10 lbs overweight!! Simplified explanation, but it works. LOL. Janie > I did a little reading and found the T4 has a half > life of 6-7 days. So, exactly what that means to this > " wait 4-6 weeks until we test again " thing, can > someone explain? Shouldn't it build up faster than 4-6 > weeks? > > Kerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Kerry. You are actually talking about two totally different processes. Half life refers to the amount of time to takes for a drug to be metabolized or eliminated by your normal biological processes...i.e. if you stop taking a med, the effective amount you will have left in your system " 7 days later " . Some half lifes are shorter, some longer. On the other hand, meds like T4 can take several weeks to build in the system to it's full effective amount, perhaps because you are using it as you go along...so it takes awhile for the excess to build....it's like eating 2000 calories a day for many days--your body uses 1500 of those calories each day, leaving an excess of 500 calories.....and that excess builds and builds over time, until you eventually find yourself 10 lbs overweight!! Simplified explanation, but it works. LOL. Janie > I did a little reading and found the T4 has a half > life of 6-7 days. So, exactly what that means to this > " wait 4-6 weeks until we test again " thing, can > someone explain? Shouldn't it build up faster than 4-6 > weeks? > > Kerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Kerry. You are actually talking about two totally different processes. Half life refers to the amount of time to takes for a drug to be metabolized or eliminated by your normal biological processes...i.e. if you stop taking a med, the effective amount you will have left in your system " 7 days later " . Some half lifes are shorter, some longer. On the other hand, meds like T4 can take several weeks to build in the system to it's full effective amount, perhaps because you are using it as you go along...so it takes awhile for the excess to build....it's like eating 2000 calories a day for many days--your body uses 1500 of those calories each day, leaving an excess of 500 calories.....and that excess builds and builds over time, until you eventually find yourself 10 lbs overweight!! Simplified explanation, but it works. LOL. Janie > I did a little reading and found the T4 has a half > life of 6-7 days. So, exactly what that means to this > " wait 4-6 weeks until we test again " thing, can > someone explain? Shouldn't it build up faster than 4-6 > weeks? > > Kerry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 and tonight I am sitting on my very large behind watching TV..lol Kerry --- nc2406@... wrote: > In a message dated 3/15/2005 10:47:11 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > klb58@... writes: > > > LOL...yeah..it should have said 1/4 grain, which > has a > > very short life, right? I have been able to get to > the > > gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to > > work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after > > dinner...is that all T3 > > hard to say, kerry. but i have trouble believing > the T3 in 1/4 grain would > make that kind of difference. more likely is that > you're getting enough T4 now > to have enough overall...that your body is utilizing > it better now that it's > getting used to having necessary hormone...you're > over 3 grains so you're > getting that metabolic rate changed... > yep, any number of reasons...but guess that's how it > starts to feel when you > reach that optimal dose...ya start feeling better > and for longer...and are > able to do more. > cindi > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 and tonight I am sitting on my very large behind watching TV..lol Kerry --- nc2406@... wrote: > In a message dated 3/15/2005 10:47:11 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > klb58@... writes: > > > LOL...yeah..it should have said 1/4 grain, which > has a > > very short life, right? I have been able to get to > the > > gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to > > work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after > > dinner...is that all T3 > > hard to say, kerry. but i have trouble believing > the T3 in 1/4 grain would > make that kind of difference. more likely is that > you're getting enough T4 now > to have enough overall...that your body is utilizing > it better now that it's > getting used to having necessary hormone...you're > over 3 grains so you're > getting that metabolic rate changed... > yep, any number of reasons...but guess that's how it > starts to feel when you > reach that optimal dose...ya start feeling better > and for longer...and are > able to do more. > cindi > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 >>I have been able to get to the gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after dinner...is that all T3?<< Yes & no, LOL! Don't forget there are other hormones in Armour. T2 does have some metabolic activity! What you are feeling is the balance of hormones rather than any one of them. This balance is delicate to keep at first, but you will get there! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 >>I have been able to get to the gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after dinner...is that all T3?<< Yes & no, LOL! Don't forget there are other hormones in Armour. T2 does have some metabolic activity! What you are feeling is the balance of hormones rather than any one of them. This balance is delicate to keep at first, but you will get there! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 >>I have been able to get to the gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after dinner...is that all T3?<< Yes & no, LOL! Don't forget there are other hormones in Armour. T2 does have some metabolic activity! What you are feeling is the balance of hormones rather than any one of them. This balance is delicate to keep at first, but you will get there! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Not sure if this is a real scientific source, but body builders use T2. Supposedly they get the muscle building power and weight loss effects without the hyper of too much thyroid, like if they took T3 for the same effect. T1 I haven't a clue! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Kerry, that was supposed to be 1/4 grain right? I'm thinking that the feeling better sooner actually comes from the T3 which is in the here and now. SandyE~Houston Re: Re: t4 storage-buildup in the blood ok, so does that mean that is really takes 4-6 weeks to build up? I increased my dose by 14 grain last Monday and by Thursday my aches were markedly decreased. Kerry (who is still feeling like a thyroid virgin) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Kerry, I'm honestly not sure. I know that when I first started taking Armour, I felt it instantly. I read that not all people do feel that great on the first dose, and the only thing I can think of is that it had to be the T3. I remember that one week when I let Dr Doofus (last Endo) talk me into taking Levoxyl, and within a week, I was not good at all. The minute I went back to the Armour, I felt better and my son wasn't keeping his distance from me? rofl. Teenagers! Pfffttt! :-) Now, maybe it was different somehow because I'd been hyperT/Graves which was a speeded up metabolism, but the being made to live hypo was the true pits. I would rather be a little hyper any day that hypo after that year + stretch. Re: Re: t4 storage-buildup in the blood LOL...yeah..it should have said 1/4 grain, which has a very short life, right? I have been able to get to the gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after dinner...is that all T3? Kerry ADVERTISEMENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Kerry, I'm honestly not sure. I know that when I first started taking Armour, I felt it instantly. I read that not all people do feel that great on the first dose, and the only thing I can think of is that it had to be the T3. I remember that one week when I let Dr Doofus (last Endo) talk me into taking Levoxyl, and within a week, I was not good at all. The minute I went back to the Armour, I felt better and my son wasn't keeping his distance from me? rofl. Teenagers! Pfffttt! :-) Now, maybe it was different somehow because I'd been hyperT/Graves which was a speeded up metabolism, but the being made to live hypo was the true pits. I would rather be a little hyper any day that hypo after that year + stretch. Re: Re: t4 storage-buildup in the blood LOL...yeah..it should have said 1/4 grain, which has a very short life, right? I have been able to get to the gym 2 days in a row and still have energy to go to work and spend time in my yard, stay awake after dinner...is that all T3? Kerry ADVERTISEMENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Why is it so hard for doctors to believe that if something is there it is there for a reason? Then you have the pharmaceutical companies, who for the mighty dollar isolate what they consider to be the 'active' ingredient in a substance they can't patent, so they can patent the isolated ingredient. Then they have to report all the side effects that the isolated ingredient causes because it doesn't have all of those other unimportant ingredients to support it! The concept of needing the whole plant for wholistic healing is just too far beyond them. Sheila *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Thanks . I knew my dr sure wasn't up for answering anything about either of those two when I mentioned them. He had promised me 'ANYTHING' I wanted for thyroid replacement, then decided later that Armour couldn't be 'one of those thyroid meds' and that I didn't need anything. Sheila Bliesath StarGate Travel Phone: For more information on travel or becoming an agent info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Why is it so hard for doctors to believe that if something is there it is there for a reason? Then you have the pharmaceutical companies, who for the mighty dollar isolate what they consider to be the 'active' ingredient in a substance they can't patent, so they can patent the isolated ingredient. Then they have to report all the side effects that the isolated ingredient causes because it doesn't have all of those other unimportant ingredients to support it! The concept of needing the whole plant for wholistic healing is just too far beyond them. Sheila *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Thanks . I knew my dr sure wasn't up for answering anything about either of those two when I mentioned them. He had promised me 'ANYTHING' I wanted for thyroid replacement, then decided later that Armour couldn't be 'one of those thyroid meds' and that I didn't need anything. Sheila Bliesath StarGate Travel Phone: For more information on travel or becoming an agent info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Why is it so hard for doctors to believe that if something is there it is there for a reason? Then you have the pharmaceutical companies, who for the mighty dollar isolate what they consider to be the 'active' ingredient in a substance they can't patent, so they can patent the isolated ingredient. Then they have to report all the side effects that the isolated ingredient causes because it doesn't have all of those other unimportant ingredients to support it! The concept of needing the whole plant for wholistic healing is just too far beyond them. Sheila *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Thanks . I knew my dr sure wasn't up for answering anything about either of those two when I mentioned them. He had promised me 'ANYTHING' I wanted for thyroid replacement, then decided later that Armour couldn't be 'one of those thyroid meds' and that I didn't need anything. Sheila Bliesath StarGate Travel Phone: For more information on travel or becoming an agent info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Does anybody have any info on exactly what T1 and T2 actually do? I remember when I first told my first Endo that Armour had all the goodies in it, he smirked and said they have no idea what T1 and T2 add to the human body? I've never seen anything on it, but I know Armour worked so much better than the T4 that I took for that week. :-) SandyE~Houston Re: Re: t4 storage-buildup in the blood Yes & no, LOL! Don't forget there are other hormones in Armour. T2 does have some metabolic activity! What you are feeling is the balance of hormones rather than any one of them. This balance is delicate to keep at first, but you will get there! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Does anybody have any info on exactly what T1 and T2 actually do? I remember when I first told my first Endo that Armour had all the goodies in it, he smirked and said they have no idea what T1 and T2 add to the human body? I've never seen anything on it, but I know Armour worked so much better than the T4 that I took for that week. :-) SandyE~Houston Re: Re: t4 storage-buildup in the blood Yes & no, LOL! Don't forget there are other hormones in Armour. T2 does have some metabolic activity! What you are feeling is the balance of hormones rather than any one of them. This balance is delicate to keep at first, but you will get there! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Does anybody have any info on exactly what T1 and T2 actually do? I remember when I first told my first Endo that Armour had all the goodies in it, he smirked and said they have no idea what T1 and T2 add to the human body? I've never seen anything on it, but I know Armour worked so much better than the T4 that I took for that week. :-) SandyE~Houston Re: Re: t4 storage-buildup in the blood Yes & no, LOL! Don't forget there are other hormones in Armour. T2 does have some metabolic activity! What you are feeling is the balance of hormones rather than any one of them. This balance is delicate to keep at first, but you will get there! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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