Re: So confused now, help!

March 6, 2005

Am I missing something, because your adrenals do not appear fatigued

according to the test results you reported, correct?? If I am

reading it correctly, it looks like you need more Armour, not

cortisol......even though it would be nice if your cortisol was not

high at night......

Janie

>

> I have been on 3 grains since December, and added

> another 1/4 grain about 4 weeks ago. In the meantime I

> sent off my saliva tests, which came back as high

> cortisol in the evening and night, normal during the

> day. During this time I have had increased joint pain,

> muslce pain,and general cracking sounds with movement.

> Obviously my body is having issues of some kind.

> Should I decrease my Armour for a couple of weeks and

> do daily Isocort or stay/increase my current Armour

> grains and add in every other day Isocort? I really

> need some help as I am being to feel overwhelmed a bit

> paniced over the way I am feeling. Thanks everyone

>

> Kerry

>

> __________________________________

> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!

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March 6, 2005

Am I missing something, because your adrenals do not appear fatigued

according to the test results you reported, correct?? If I am

reading it correctly, it looks like you need more Armour, not

cortisol......even though it would be nice if your cortisol was not

high at night......

Janie

>

> I have been on 3 grains since December, and added

> another 1/4 grain about 4 weeks ago. In the meantime I

> sent off my saliva tests, which came back as high

> cortisol in the evening and night, normal during the

> day. During this time I have had increased joint pain,

> muslce pain,and general cracking sounds with movement.

> Obviously my body is having issues of some kind.

> Should I decrease my Armour for a couple of weeks and

> do daily Isocort or stay/increase my current Armour

> grains and add in every other day Isocort? I really

> need some help as I am being to feel overwhelmed a bit

> paniced over the way I am feeling. Thanks everyone

>

> Kerry

>

> __________________________________

> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!

> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

> http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

March 6, 2005

In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

weight gain.

Kerry

>

> Am I missing something, because your adrenals do not

> appear fatigued

> according to the test results you reported,

> correct?? If I am

> reading it correctly, it looks like you need more

> Armour, not

> cortisol......even though it would be nice if your

> cortisol was not

> high at night......

>

> Janie

>

> >

> > I have been on 3 grains since December, and added

> > another 1/4 grain about 4 weeks ago. In the

> meantime I

> > sent off my saliva tests, which came back as high

> > cortisol in the evening and night, normal during

> the

> > day. During this time I have had increased joint

> pain,

> > muslce pain,and general cracking sounds with

> movement.

> > Obviously my body is having issues of some kind.

> > Should I decrease my Armour for a couple of weeks

> and

> > do daily Isocort or stay/increase my current

> Armour

> > grains and add in every other day Isocort? I

> really

> > need some help as I am being to feel overwhelmed a

> bit

> > paniced over the way I am feeling. Thanks everyone

> >

> > Kerry

> >

> > __________________________________

> > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!

> > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

> > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

>

__________________________________

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March 6, 2005

In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

weight gain.

Kerry

>

> Am I missing something, because your adrenals do not

> appear fatigued

> according to the test results you reported,

> correct?? If I am

> reading it correctly, it looks like you need more

> Armour, not

> cortisol......even though it would be nice if your

> cortisol was not

> high at night......

>

> Janie

>

> >

> > I have been on 3 grains since December, and added

> > another 1/4 grain about 4 weeks ago. In the

> meantime I

> > sent off my saliva tests, which came back as high

> > cortisol in the evening and night, normal during

> the

> > day. During this time I have had increased joint

> pain,

> > muslce pain,and general cracking sounds with

> movement.

> > Obviously my body is having issues of some kind.

> > Should I decrease my Armour for a couple of weeks

> and

> > do daily Isocort or stay/increase my current

> Armour

> > grains and add in every other day Isocort? I

> really

> > need some help as I am being to feel overwhelmed a

> bit

> > paniced over the way I am feeling. Thanks everyone

> >

> > Kerry

> >

> > __________________________________

> > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!

> > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

> > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

>

__________________________________

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March 6, 2005

In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

weight gain.

Kerry

>

> Am I missing something, because your adrenals do not

> appear fatigued

> according to the test results you reported,

> correct?? If I am

> reading it correctly, it looks like you need more

> Armour, not

> cortisol......even though it would be nice if your

> cortisol was not

> high at night......

>

> Janie

>

> >

> > I have been on 3 grains since December, and added

> > another 1/4 grain about 4 weeks ago. In the

> meantime I

> > sent off my saliva tests, which came back as high

> > cortisol in the evening and night, normal during

> the

> > day. During this time I have had increased joint

> pain,

> > muslce pain,and general cracking sounds with

> movement.

> > Obviously my body is having issues of some kind.

> > Should I decrease my Armour for a couple of weeks

> and

> > do daily Isocort or stay/increase my current

> Armour

> > grains and add in every other day Isocort? I

> really

> > need some help as I am being to feel overwhelmed a

> bit

> > paniced over the way I am feeling. Thanks everyone

> >

> > Kerry

> >

> > __________________________________

> > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!

> > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

> > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

>

__________________________________

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March 6, 2005

Do adrenals work like thyroid, in that they rev up into hyperdrive when they are

depleted, just before they totally burn out?

....

----- Original Message -----

In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

weight gain.

Kerry

March 6, 2005

Do adrenals work like thyroid, in that they rev up into hyperdrive when they are

depleted, just before they totally burn out?

....

----- Original Message -----

In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

weight gain.

Kerry

March 6, 2005

Do adrenals work like thyroid, in that they rev up into hyperdrive when they are

depleted, just before they totally burn out?

....

----- Original Message -----

In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

weight gain.

Kerry

March 6, 2005

This is what I found in the Adrenal file section ....I

am thinking that yes, that is possibly what is

happening to me. I have been under TREMENDOUS stress

in the past couple of months and basically am crying

any time I think about it, having horrible

inflammation of my shoulder joints, which affected my

trapezius, moved downward and twisted something and

now I have an inflammed vein in my left breast. I am

creaking and cracking like an old woman..ugh I feel

like I am falling apart.

QUESTION: I am really confused now. If my cortisol is

about 10 points above the normal range, and it remains

the same (34) at 8am as at 4pm. How does that indicate

Adrenal Fatigue or worse? Shouldn't my cortisol be

LOWER than

normal to indicate Adrenal Fatigue?

ANSWER: The way it was explained to me is that

stressed adrenals will overproduce cortisol at

inappropriate

times before they totally burn out. High cortisol

creates insomnia, easily startled, sometimes panic

attacks...

my son got OCD - his was continuously high...if you

look at a graph of your cortisol levels during the

day,

you would see that on either side of the range -

higher or lower by about ten points-indicates adrenal

fatigue...

even higher or lower than just outside the ranges

indicates adrenal exhaustion. My one son's range was

okay at rising, shot way up at noon,, and then was

extremely low at 5 and

9PM...even though he spiked, he was

still way higher and sometimes way lower than normal.

This indicated exhaustion...and exaggerated adrenal

response. Just because you are producing cortisol does

not mean your adrenals are not stressed...something is

stressing them terribly to make them release more

cortsol than they should. The hydrocortisone they give

at 20mg -

roughly 1/2 of what healthy adrenals produce under

normal circumstances - is meant to " rest " them, but

not shut

them down. It takes a little longer to rest adrenals

which are continuously overproducing cortisol (on

their way

to burning out) and to get them to calm down than it

does to supplement what burned out adrenals cannot

make enough

of. This is why people who are overproducing have a

longer period of time where they feel they are getting

help from the hydrocortione..but eventually - within

weeks - they do get stronger and stop overproducing.

Sometimes, people who are vitamins and try to reduce

stress, etc. because the " wired " feeling they might

at first experience with hydrocortisone is something

that makes them feel they are on the wrong path to

recovery...

but what it actually is, is an adjustment period,

until the adrenals can settle down and know they do

not

have to overproduce any more.

--- Mateosian Cjoi@...> wrote:

> Do adrenals work like thyroid, in that they rev up

> into hyperdrive when they are depleted, just before

> they totally burn out?

>

> ...

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

> another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to

> assist

> my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am

> I

> missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well

> as

> weight gain.

>

> Kerry

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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March 6, 2005

This is what I found in the Adrenal file section ....I

am thinking that yes, that is possibly what is

happening to me. I have been under TREMENDOUS stress

in the past couple of months and basically am crying

any time I think about it, having horrible

inflammation of my shoulder joints, which affected my

trapezius, moved downward and twisted something and

now I have an inflammed vein in my left breast. I am

creaking and cracking like an old woman..ugh I feel

like I am falling apart.

QUESTION: I am really confused now. If my cortisol is

about 10 points above the normal range, and it remains

the same (34) at 8am as at 4pm. How does that indicate

Adrenal Fatigue or worse? Shouldn't my cortisol be

LOWER than

normal to indicate Adrenal Fatigue?

ANSWER: The way it was explained to me is that

stressed adrenals will overproduce cortisol at

inappropriate

times before they totally burn out. High cortisol

creates insomnia, easily startled, sometimes panic

attacks...

my son got OCD - his was continuously high...if you

look at a graph of your cortisol levels during the

day,

you would see that on either side of the range -

higher or lower by about ten points-indicates adrenal

fatigue...

even higher or lower than just outside the ranges

indicates adrenal exhaustion. My one son's range was

okay at rising, shot way up at noon,, and then was

extremely low at 5 and

9PM...even though he spiked, he was

still way higher and sometimes way lower than normal.

This indicated exhaustion...and exaggerated adrenal

response. Just because you are producing cortisol does

not mean your adrenals are not stressed...something is

stressing them terribly to make them release more

cortsol than they should. The hydrocortisone they give

at 20mg -

roughly 1/2 of what healthy adrenals produce under

normal circumstances - is meant to " rest " them, but

not shut

them down. It takes a little longer to rest adrenals

which are continuously overproducing cortisol (on

their way

to burning out) and to get them to calm down than it

does to supplement what burned out adrenals cannot

make enough

of. This is why people who are overproducing have a

longer period of time where they feel they are getting

help from the hydrocortione..but eventually - within

weeks - they do get stronger and stop overproducing.

Sometimes, people who are vitamins and try to reduce

stress, etc. because the " wired " feeling they might

at first experience with hydrocortisone is something

that makes them feel they are on the wrong path to

recovery...

but what it actually is, is an adjustment period,

until the adrenals can settle down and know they do

not

have to overproduce any more.

--- Mateosian Cjoi@...> wrote:

> Do adrenals work like thyroid, in that they rev up

> into hyperdrive when they are depleted, just before

> they totally burn out?

>

> ...

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

> another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to

> assist

> my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am

> I

> missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well

> as

> weight gain.

>

> Kerry

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________

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March 6, 2005

I thought what the article in the files was trying to say is that

high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that doesn't equate to

adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your compounding

pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a round of

adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay where you are

with the Armour.

Janie

> In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

> another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

> my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

> missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

> weight gain.

>

> Kerry

>

March 6, 2005

I thought what the article in the files was trying to say is that

high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that doesn't equate to

adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your compounding

pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a round of

adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay where you are

with the Armour.

Janie

> In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol is

> another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to assist

> my adrenals because they are producing too much. Am I

> missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> inflammation that is very concerning to me, as well as

> weight gain.

>

> Kerry

>

March 6, 2005

So, I am guessing I should try the one day on, one day

off with Isocort so as not to become dependant, which

is what Trish suggested? Or would it be better if I

did a full week on then a full week off until the

inflammation and cracking go away?

I really feel like stopping everything, crawling under

a rock and crying. *sigh*

Kerry

--- loboshe usns@...> wrote:

>

> I thought what the article in the files was trying

> to say is that

> high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that

> doesn't equate to

> adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your

> compounding

> pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a

> round of

> adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay

> where you are

> with the Armour.

>

> Janie

>

> > In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol

> is

> > another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> > pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to

> assist

> > my adrenals because they are producing too much.

> Am I

> > missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> > inflammation that is very concerning to me, as

> well as

> > weight gain.

> >

> > Kerry

> >

>

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March 6, 2005

So, I am guessing I should try the one day on, one day

off with Isocort so as not to become dependant, which

is what Trish suggested? Or would it be better if I

did a full week on then a full week off until the

inflammation and cracking go away?

I really feel like stopping everything, crawling under

a rock and crying. *sigh*

Kerry

--- loboshe usns@...> wrote:

>

> I thought what the article in the files was trying

> to say is that

> high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that

> doesn't equate to

> adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your

> compounding

> pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a

> round of

> adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay

> where you are

> with the Armour.

>

> Janie

>

> > In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol

> is

> > another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> > pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to

> assist

> > my adrenals because they are producing too much.

> Am I

> > missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> > inflammation that is very concerning to me, as

> well as

> > weight gain.

> >

> > Kerry

> >

>

__________________________________

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March 6, 2005

The day on and day off is more consistent. Hang in there. You'll get

there.

Janie

> So, I am guessing I should try the one day on, one day

> off with Isocort so as not to become dependant, which

> is what Trish suggested? Or would it be better if I

> did a full week on then a full week off until the

> inflammation and cracking go away?

>

> I really feel like stopping everything, crawling under

> a rock and crying. *sigh*

>

> Kerry

>

> --- loboshe wrote:

> >

> > I thought what the article in the files was trying

> > to say is that

> > high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that

> > doesn't equate to

> > adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your

> > compounding

> > pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a

> > round of

> > adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay

> > where you are

> > with the Armour.

> >

> > Janie

> >

> > > In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol

> > is

> > > another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> > > pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to

> > assist

> > > my adrenals because they are producing too much.

> > Am I

> > > missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> > > inflammation that is very concerning to me, as

> > well as

> > > weight gain.

> > >

> > > Kerry

> > >

> >

>

> __________________________________

> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!

> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

> http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

March 6, 2005

The day on and day off is more consistent. Hang in there. You'll get

there.

Janie

> So, I am guessing I should try the one day on, one day

> off with Isocort so as not to become dependant, which

> is what Trish suggested? Or would it be better if I

> did a full week on then a full week off until the

> inflammation and cracking go away?

>

> I really feel like stopping everything, crawling under

> a rock and crying. *sigh*

>

> Kerry

>

> --- loboshe wrote:

> >

> > I thought what the article in the files was trying

> > to say is that

> > high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that

> > doesn't equate to

> > adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your

> > compounding

> > pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a

> > round of

> > adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay

> > where you are

> > with the Armour.

> >

> > Janie

> >

> > > In the adrenal files it states that high cortisol

> > is

> > > another sign of adrenal fatique. The compounding

> > > pharmacist said that I need adrenal support to

> > assist

> > > my adrenals because they are producing too much.

> > Am I

> > > missing the boat somewhere? I am having increased

> > > inflammation that is very concerning to me, as

> > well as

> > > weight gain.

> > >

> > > Kerry

> > >

> >

>

> __________________________________

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> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

> http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

March 7, 2005

In a message dated 3/7/2005 1:00:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> I thought what the article in the files was trying to say is that

> high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that doesn't equate to

> adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your compounding

> pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a round of

> adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay where you are

> with the Armour.

>

this is what I had - high cortisol in the morning and evening.

someone had told me that adrenals do this before they putter out.

i don't know about that. i tried adrenal support (prednisolone) and am

unsure how helpful it might have been.

i do know I have a weakened system because of the way I react to stressful

stuff.

But i believe just getting on thyroid meds helped my adrenals settle down.

i probably need to do a new test just to see how it's looking.

cindi

March 7, 2005

In a message dated 3/7/2005 1:00:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> I thought what the article in the files was trying to say is that

> high cortisol means stressed adrenals, but that doesn't equate to

> adrenal fatigue.......yet. But then again, what your compounding

> pharmacist says makes sense. Perhaps you could try a round of

> adrenal support, and see? You might be able to stay where you are

> with the Armour.

>

this is what I had - high cortisol in the morning and evening.

someone had told me that adrenals do this before they putter out.

i don't know about that. i tried adrenal support (prednisolone) and am

unsure how helpful it might have been.

i do know I have a weakened system because of the way I react to stressful

stuff.

But i believe just getting on thyroid meds helped my adrenals settle down.

i probably need to do a new test just to see how it's looking.

cindi

March 7, 2005

In a message dated 3/7/2005 1:09:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@...

writes:

> I am now having an inflammed vein that keeps me from sleeping well. argh.

>

ok kerry gal....this has me curious. tell me more about in inflammed vein -

cause i'm not familiar with this one.

i've also been thinking about ya this morning - and feeling badly because i

know you're feeling so crappy. what exactly happened gal? did it come on all

of a sudden - cause it seems like you were doing pretty good I thought.

Cindi

March 7, 2005

In a message dated 3/7/2005 1:09:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, klb58@...

writes:

> I am now having an inflammed vein that keeps me from sleeping well. argh.

>

ok kerry gal....this has me curious. tell me more about in inflammed vein -

cause i'm not familiar with this one.

i've also been thinking about ya this morning - and feeling badly because i

know you're feeling so crappy. what exactly happened gal? did it come on all

of a sudden - cause it seems like you were doing pretty good I thought.

Cindi

March 7, 2005

You should be able to take up to 20 mg of cortisol (8 Isocorts) a day

for a week without becoming dependent (not that I'm suggesting that's

how much you *should* take). Up to that 1 week point, you can quit cold

turkey. After a week, you should taper off slowly. During that week,

you can see if it helps or not. I knew within a day the Cortef was

helping, but I don't know if it works that fast for everyone.

As far as how much to take, I'm as much in the dark as everyone else. I

also don't know about the alternate day thing. Anyone tried this?

Oh, and if you decide to crawl under a rock, watch out for

pharmaceutical companies slithering out from under it. :-)

-- prr

Kerry klb58@... wrote:

So, I am guessing I should try the one day on, one day

off with Isocort so as not to become dependant, which

is what Trish suggested? Or would it be better if I

did a full week on then a full week off until the

inflammation and cracking go away?

I really feel like stopping everything, crawling under

a rock and crying. *sigh*

Kerry

March 7, 2005

Thanks , I won't let the pharmaceutical companies lure me in again. I think

I am just frustrated with the painful cracking joints, inflammation that won't

calm down and the havoc that has wracked my body with in the last month. I am

now having an inflammed vein that keeps me from sleeping well. argh.

I started the Isocort this morning and will see how I am feeling tomorrow. I am

thinking of going ahead and keeping my dose of Armour where it is, and seeing if

I feel better with the rest of my supplements and Isocort. I have added Chromium

for blood sugar stability along with my multiple, B complex, DHEA and a

magnesium, calcium, zinc combo at night.

Kerry who feels like she is falling apart. ugh

" Ross, R " .Ross@...> wrote: