Re: Supressed TSH and bone density

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 4:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

groversyck@... writes:

> I think I first read about Fosomax on Mercola's site...that would be

> a good

> >place to start.

>

doing a search on the mercola site shows a lot of stuff for Fosomax..but

here's one blurb:

Dr. Lee is the physician who wrote " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About PRE Menopause " He is very strongly opposed to the use of Fosamax, and I

could not agree with him more on this issue. It is interesting that Merck, the

manufacturer of Fosamax, funded both of these studies and both appeared in two

well respected medical journals the same week.

Fosamax is in the same chemical class (phosphonate) that is used in the

cleaners used to remove soap scum from your bath tub. This is a metabolic poison

that actually kills the osteoclasts. These are the cells that remove your bone

so your osteoblasts can actually rebuild your bone.

It is quite clear that if you kill these cells your bone will get denser.

What these studies do not show is that four years later the bone actually

becomes

weaker even though it is more dense.

This is because bone is a dynamic structure and requires the removal and

REPLACEMENT of new bone to stay strong. Fosamax does NOT build ANY new bone. The

true solution, as I have reviewed in previous newsletters, is to go on natural

progesterone. One can review Dr. Lee's book for more information.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:34:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

groversyck@... writes:

> You have me mixed up with some one else. I did not wriet this. I may

> have replied ot it.

>

i know....the copy and paste function just showed it up that way.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:34:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

groversyck@... writes:

> You have me mixed up with some one else. I did not wriet this. I may

> have replied ot it.

>

i know....the copy and paste function just showed it up that way.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:34:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

groversyck@... writes:

> You have me mixed up with some one else. I did not wriet this. I may

> have replied ot it.

>

i know....the copy and paste function just showed it up that way.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ryno@... writes:

> He put it like it was some kind of novel thing, and after

> being on this message board for the past several months thyroid

> resistance seems so like an " of course that is what I am

well...the genetic " resistant to thyroid hormone " is fairly rare. those

folks will have a suppressed TSH and high levels of thyroid hormone but no

problems from it. so it's really a different animal than the type of tissue

resistance a hypo person may have from being hypo for a long period of time.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ryno@... writes:

> He put it like it was some kind of novel thing, and after

> being on this message board for the past several months thyroid

> resistance seems so like an " of course that is what I am

well...the genetic " resistant to thyroid hormone " is fairly rare. those

folks will have a suppressed TSH and high levels of thyroid hormone but no

problems from it. so it's really a different animal than the type of tissue

resistance a hypo person may have from being hypo for a long period of time.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:39:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ryno@... writes:

> He put it like it was some kind of novel thing, and after

> being on this message board for the past several months thyroid

> resistance seems so like an " of course that is what I am

well...the genetic " resistant to thyroid hormone " is fairly rare. those

folks will have a suppressed TSH and high levels of thyroid hormone but no

problems from it. so it's really a different animal than the type of tissue

resistance a hypo person may have from being hypo for a long period of time.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Great - that is good news! Maybe I can get off the Fosamax (comes

with a warning of adverse affects to the liver) soon!

Joyce

>

> I just thought I would report that after being on Armour for 9

> months, I had a bone density scan done, because my doctor said he

> wanted to cover his butt. My last TSH in January was .006.

Well,

> the results were that my bone density measured 2 standard

deviations

> ABOVE other women my age (49) and 1 1/2 standard deviations ABOVE

a

> 30 year old! > R.

[Guest guest]

Great - that is good news! Maybe I can get off the Fosamax (comes

with a warning of adverse affects to the liver) soon!

Joyce

>

> I just thought I would report that after being on Armour for 9

> months, I had a bone density scan done, because my doctor said he

> wanted to cover his butt. My last TSH in January was .006.

Well,

> the results were that my bone density measured 2 standard

deviations

> ABOVE other women my age (49) and 1 1/2 standard deviations ABOVE

a

> 30 year old! > R.

[Guest guest]

Great - that is good news! Maybe I can get off the Fosamax (comes

with a warning of adverse affects to the liver) soon!

Joyce

>

> I just thought I would report that after being on Armour for 9

> months, I had a bone density scan done, because my doctor said he

> wanted to cover his butt. My last TSH in January was .006.

Well,

> the results were that my bone density measured 2 standard

deviations

> ABOVE other women my age (49) and 1 1/2 standard deviations ABOVE

a

> 30 year old! > R.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for posting this. Dr. Young in his book " thyroid,

Guardian of Health " wrote that Armour makes bones thinner, but

stronger. Hypothyroid people have large, weak, and porous bones.

That fits me to a tee. I broke my arm twice as a kid and am large

boned.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for posting this. Dr. Young in his book " thyroid,

Guardian of Health " wrote that Armour makes bones thinner, but

stronger. Hypothyroid people have large, weak, and porous bones.

That fits me to a tee. I broke my arm twice as a kid and am large

boned.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for posting this. Dr. Young in his book " thyroid,

Guardian of Health " wrote that Armour makes bones thinner, but

stronger. Hypothyroid people have large, weak, and porous bones.

That fits me to a tee. I broke my arm twice as a kid and am large

boned.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

I haven't really studied anything and never gave it a second thought

until now. I was very meek and went along with whatever the docs

said, until one freaked when he saw a TSH under 1.0 (on Synthroid)

and reduced the synthroid dose to where I could barely function.

Then I got mad, and found this group! So, I'm doing better, taking

matters into my own hands (with everyone's help & support), but am

still very hypo and haven't been able to manage researching more

than thyroid, yet. Keep in mind I'm still working full time & doing

a very good job of keeping up with group messages while I turn out

an " acceptable " volume of work (from my review)...Plus I have 3

kids, so I'm on the go in a semi-sleep state all the time!

Thanks for the info - I'll try to check it out. It's probably not on

the Fosamax website, huh? LOL

Joyce

> have you studied this drug?

> it does increase bone density...but doesn't make them stronger...i

can't

> remember all the particulars, but it actually can increase your

risk of fracture.

>

> in fact that happened to my aunt after she started taking

fosomax...and then

> broke her wrist.

> I just said " I told you so " .

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 1:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> ryno@a... writes:

>

> > If anyone is considering this test

> > to ease their mind, it is the easiest test ever. You literally

just

> > have to lie down.

> >

>

> is this x-ray of some type?

> cindi

Yes, it is low level xray. I think they called it a Dexascan.

R.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 1:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> ryno@a... writes:

>

> > If anyone is considering this test

> > to ease their mind, it is the easiest test ever. You literally

just

> > have to lie down.

> >

>

> is this x-ray of some type?

> cindi

Yes, it is low level xray. I think they called it a Dexascan.

R.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 1:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> ryno@a... writes:

>

> > If anyone is considering this test

> > to ease their mind, it is the easiest test ever. You literally

just

> > have to lie down.

> >

>

> is this x-ray of some type?

> cindi

Yes, it is low level xray. I think they called it a Dexascan.

R.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

I see one of the side effects of Fosamax is gas ...when I

mentioned to my doctor that I had been " gassy " lately - he replied

that " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " I wanted to

smack him for that, and probably should have!

Joyce

> > have you studied this drug?

> > it does increase bone density...but doesn't make them

stronger...i

> can't

> > remember all the particulars, but it actually can increase your

> risk of fracture.

> >

> > in fact that happened to my aunt after she started taking

> fosomax...and then

> > broke her wrist.

> > I just said " I told you so " .

> > cindi

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

I see one of the side effects of Fosamax is gas ...when I

mentioned to my doctor that I had been " gassy " lately - he replied

that " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " I wanted to

smack him for that, and probably should have!

Joyce

> > have you studied this drug?

> > it does increase bone density...but doesn't make them

stronger...i

> can't

> > remember all the particulars, but it actually can increase your

> risk of fracture.

> >

> > in fact that happened to my aunt after she started taking

> fosomax...and then

> > broke her wrist.

> > I just said " I told you so " .

> > cindi

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

I see one of the side effects of Fosamax is gas ...when I

mentioned to my doctor that I had been " gassy " lately - he replied

that " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " I wanted to

smack him for that, and probably should have!

Joyce

> > have you studied this drug?

> > it does increase bone density...but doesn't make them

stronger...i

> can't

> > remember all the particulars, but it actually can increase your

> risk of fracture.

> >

> > in fact that happened to my aunt after she started taking

> fosomax...and then

> > broke her wrist.

> > I just said " I told you so " .

> > cindi

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

But they turn one leg inward so they can get a good view of your

hip, and I found it very uncomfortable to lay like that for as long

as necessary.

Joyce

> > In a message dated 3/23/2005 1:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > ryno@a... writes:

> >

> > > If anyone is considering this test

> > > to ease their mind, it is the easiest test ever. You

literally

> just

> > > have to lie down.

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

But they turn one leg inward so they can get a good view of your

hip, and I found it very uncomfortable to lay like that for as long

as necessary.

Joyce

> > In a message dated 3/23/2005 1:12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > ryno@a... writes:

> >

> > > If anyone is considering this test

> > > to ease their mind, it is the easiest test ever. You

literally

> just

> > > have to lie down.

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello Betty,

I have a real bad problem with degenerative

osteoporosis. This finally was found out after a bone

density scan and because I complained about the pain

in body and joints. First it just started out with me

having only a goiter, and then the symptoms got worse.

Ran some test had to beg for the Free T2 and 3 tests.

They came back low so it was decided that I am hypo

and even though I have been on Synthroid or Levoxyl

for the last 10 years I am 33 at this time.

Instead of my recommendation to try Amour or even

Cytomel. The doctors are sending me to an

Endocrinologist after everything else has failed and

before my Endo appointment my doctor has started an

aggressive vitamin D regimen. I take 5000iu's daily

along with Oscal with vitamin D 3x's daily and on the

weekends I take Fosamax.

They just don't get it. The doctors have tried

everything and they keep treating every symptom as

individual instead of the cause and refuse to accept

there is a possible alternative treatment that could

help me.

I have many other problems, but in their mind or as

it was so eloquently put it " it's all in my mind and

sometime medicine is not always the answer " and it's

O.K. and acceptable for my dressor to look like a

pharmacy with the newest synthetic drug of the month

and different treatments every six weeks or so. That I

don't respond to. I had a doctor tell me yesterday I

don't have a PHD behind my name. I thought to myself,

but I seem to be more educated in this than you are.

You have to step out of the room and discuses the

possibilities of treatment with others.

I started educating myself and it is a blessing I

ran across this group. The funny thing is I don't even

know how I signed up here. One day I started getting

emails and then help and answers. This group is truly

a blessing to have found.

Thanks to all who share their stories and give their

advice.

Bye,

Rockette

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[Guest guest]

Hello Betty,

I have a real bad problem with degenerative

osteoporosis. This finally was found out after a bone

density scan and because I complained about the pain

in body and joints. First it just started out with me

having only a goiter, and then the symptoms got worse.

Ran some test had to beg for the Free T2 and 3 tests.

They came back low so it was decided that I am hypo

and even though I have been on Synthroid or Levoxyl

for the last 10 years I am 33 at this time.

Instead of my recommendation to try Amour or even

Cytomel. The doctors are sending me to an

Endocrinologist after everything else has failed and

before my Endo appointment my doctor has started an

aggressive vitamin D regimen. I take 5000iu's daily

along with Oscal with vitamin D 3x's daily and on the

weekends I take Fosamax.

They just don't get it. The doctors have tried

everything and they keep treating every symptom as

individual instead of the cause and refuse to accept

there is a possible alternative treatment that could

help me.

I have many other problems, but in their mind or as

it was so eloquently put it " it's all in my mind and

sometime medicine is not always the answer " and it's

O.K. and acceptable for my dressor to look like a

pharmacy with the newest synthetic drug of the month

and different treatments every six weeks or so. That I

don't respond to. I had a doctor tell me yesterday I

don't have a PHD behind my name. I thought to myself,

but I seem to be more educated in this than you are.

You have to step out of the room and discuses the

possibilities of treatment with others.

I started educating myself and it is a blessing I

ran across this group. The funny thing is I don't even

know how I signed up here. One day I started getting

emails and then help and answers. This group is truly

a blessing to have found.

Thanks to all who share their stories and give their

advice.

Bye,

Rockette

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hello Betty,

I have a real bad problem with degenerative

osteoporosis. This finally was found out after a bone

density scan and because I complained about the pain

in body and joints. First it just started out with me

having only a goiter, and then the symptoms got worse.

Ran some test had to beg for the Free T2 and 3 tests.

They came back low so it was decided that I am hypo

and even though I have been on Synthroid or Levoxyl

for the last 10 years I am 33 at this time.

Instead of my recommendation to try Amour or even

Cytomel. The doctors are sending me to an

Endocrinologist after everything else has failed and

before my Endo appointment my doctor has started an

aggressive vitamin D regimen. I take 5000iu's daily

along with Oscal with vitamin D 3x's daily and on the

weekends I take Fosamax.

They just don't get it. The doctors have tried

everything and they keep treating every symptom as

individual instead of the cause and refuse to accept

there is a possible alternative treatment that could

help me.

I have many other problems, but in their mind or as

it was so eloquently put it " it's all in my mind and

sometime medicine is not always the answer " and it's

O.K. and acceptable for my dressor to look like a

pharmacy with the newest synthetic drug of the month

and different treatments every six weeks or so. That I

don't respond to. I had a doctor tell me yesterday I

don't have a PHD behind my name. I thought to myself,

but I seem to be more educated in this than you are.

You have to step out of the room and discuses the

possibilities of treatment with others.

I started educating myself and it is a blessing I

ran across this group. The funny thing is I don't even

know how I signed up here. One day I started getting

emails and then help and answers. This group is truly

a blessing to have found.

Thanks to all who share their stories and give their

advice.

Bye,

Rockette

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