Re: 's Thyroid Syndrome

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 12:55:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

james@... writes:

> I'm a new member and want to understand the difference between

> 's Thyroid Syndrome and T3 replacement,

from what i remember about wilson's...he thinks that the body has somehow got

" stuck " in not converting " T4 to T3...and has some type of protocol to help

the body get " unstuck " .

Although his book does have some good information...I don't believe his

theory - nor do many docs I don't think. Some folks just have conversion

problems...and that's not a new thing even though he seems to think it is...and

i don't

think you " unstick " the body exactly. You can improve conversion by things

like taking selenium.

If you're hypo, you need thyroid hormone. period. And would do better with

something like Armour which has what your own thyroid gland provides.

So the difference would be is that he's really working from a different

premise....more of a " temporary " thing I think...as opposed to treating

hypothryoidism.

Cytomel is not timed release....I believe what uses is

compounded....time released T3.

just my opinion,

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 12:55:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

james@... writes:

> I'm a new member and want to understand the difference between

> 's Thyroid Syndrome and T3 replacement,

from what i remember about wilson's...he thinks that the body has somehow got

" stuck " in not converting " T4 to T3...and has some type of protocol to help

the body get " unstuck " .

Although his book does have some good information...I don't believe his

theory - nor do many docs I don't think. Some folks just have conversion

problems...and that's not a new thing even though he seems to think it is...and

i don't

think you " unstick " the body exactly. You can improve conversion by things

like taking selenium.

If you're hypo, you need thyroid hormone. period. And would do better with

something like Armour which has what your own thyroid gland provides.

So the difference would be is that he's really working from a different

premise....more of a " temporary " thing I think...as opposed to treating

hypothryoidism.

Cytomel is not timed release....I believe what uses is

compounded....time released T3.

just my opinion,

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 12:55:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

james@... writes:

> I'm a new member and want to understand the difference between

> 's Thyroid Syndrome and T3 replacement,

from what i remember about wilson's...he thinks that the body has somehow got

" stuck " in not converting " T4 to T3...and has some type of protocol to help

the body get " unstuck " .

Although his book does have some good information...I don't believe his

theory - nor do many docs I don't think. Some folks just have conversion

problems...and that's not a new thing even though he seems to think it is...and

i don't

think you " unstick " the body exactly. You can improve conversion by things

like taking selenium.

If you're hypo, you need thyroid hormone. period. And would do better with

something like Armour which has what your own thyroid gland provides.

So the difference would be is that he's really working from a different

premise....more of a " temporary " thing I think...as opposed to treating

hypothryoidism.

Cytomel is not timed release....I believe what uses is

compounded....time released T3.

just my opinion,

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

saltillo@... writes:

> I've read stories in older texts and papers that some some doctors

> thought that occasionally some people became resistant to Armour and

> then they would have to put them on synthetics

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

saltillo@... writes:

> I've read stories in older texts and papers that some some doctors

> thought that occasionally some people became resistant to Armour and

> then they would have to put them on synthetics

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 6:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

> When the medical community really comes to it's senses and admits this and

> actually starts treating this for the deadly, life ruining disease it really

> is, maybe then we all will have lives again.

a big amen chiming in from NC.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/23/2005 6:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

> When the medical community really comes to it's senses and admits this and

> actually starts treating this for the deadly, life ruining disease it really

> is, maybe then we all will have lives again.

a big amen chiming in from NC.

cindi

[Guest guest]

The 's Thyroid Syndrome concept is based on a theory by Dr.

that people have a stress in their life or illness that

sticks their body in a situation where it makes too much reverse T3.

Reverse T3 is inactive but will occupy receptors. The result of

excess reverse T3 is that the system slows down and causes symptoms

of hypothyroidism.

Dr. believes that giving T3 for short periods followed by

tapering off will reverse this condtion and thus cure the person

after one or more cycles of taking T3 and then tapering off T3.

The reality is that there is abosolutely no proof that excess

reverse T3 can be cured by doing this. In fact studies have shown

that the body makes reverse T3 in periods of excessive stress in

order to slow you down and allow for recovery. Reverse T3 production

serves a vital function of protecting you from doing more than you

have the resources for. Hypothyroidism itself is a stress on the

body and can result in increased reverse T3 production. Forcing a

body's metabolic rate up quickly with T3 when the person has a

health problem or impaired metabolism from deficiencies and illness,

may not be wise.

I was on this treatment for 7 months and I decided to do research on

it's effectiveness. When I contacted 's doctors about the cure

rate and success from 's cyclic T3 therapy, I was told by all

that it was tiny, less than 5%. My own doctor did not bother anymore

with the Protocol as he found it did not work. He just kept

people on T3 all the time. If you read letters to the

organization, you will find that this Cycling of T3 up and down

causes lots of suffering for people and probably wastes their time,

money, and possibly has negative effects on their long-term heatlh.

Many are just hypothyroid and need to be permanently on thyroid

medication. Studies have shown that it takes 6 weeks for the thyroid

to return to its previous function after stopping thyroid. So, when

people taper down on T3, they almost always become hypothyroid and

miserable untill they go back on it again.

In my opinion, people will never be cured of making too much reverse

T3 unless, the cause of the problem is addressed. You must repair

the body to health in order to stop it. So, in my book, the 's

protocol will not work for the vast majority of people since it does

not address the underlying cause. If you read the 's Protocol

book, you will find that it is the most dissapointing unscientific

bunch of melarky you'll ever read. I have found no research to

support his ideas.

All T3 therapy also has many drawbacks. First, it affects hormone

status and forces the body more toward androgen production. Second,

it depletes T4 to nothing and T4 has several functions in the body,

one of which is to regulate the heart. Without T4, the adrenal

glands have to work extra hard and you can get into trouble when

your activity level uses up T3 and you have no T4 to convert for

energy. Lastly, my own experience was that it affected my brain

significantly and I flattened out emotionally and would tolerate

things at work that I shouldn't have. I was sort of a zombe. I am

sure there are more consequences of using just one hormone to

replace all the ones that a healthy thyroid makes.

There are 7 thyroid hormones and the body needs them all. T1 is very

important for the brain and self esteem. T2 is what keeps you warm

in cold weather and is what burns fat. Calcitonin is very essential

to protect from bone loss.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/cliffs/35410.html

Armour has all the hormones that a healthy thyroid would make plus

calcitonin from the parathyroid. It contains about 24% T3. The human

thyroid makes between 10 and 20% T3. Armour therapy is is plain old

thyroid therapy and is given usually every day for life. Armour and

natural thyroid have been around since the late 1800s and was the

only treatment for hypothyroidism up untill about the mid 1960s. It

was very effective and patients were quite heatlhy on it.

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

The vast majority of people with hypothyroidism will need it the

rest of their lives. About 11% can be cured after being on thyroid

for about 6 to 8 years. But, doctors do not bother to test this out

on patients because the other 89% will suffer. Some people who have

undiagnosed celiac disease and other leaky gut condtions and

hypothyroidism have been cured of hypothyroidism after staying away

from wheat for about 8 months or more or by curing their leaky gut.

Tish

[Guest guest]

The 's Thyroid Syndrome concept is based on a theory by Dr.

that people have a stress in their life or illness that

sticks their body in a situation where it makes too much reverse T3.

Reverse T3 is inactive but will occupy receptors. The result of

excess reverse T3 is that the system slows down and causes symptoms

of hypothyroidism.

Dr. believes that giving T3 for short periods followed by

tapering off will reverse this condtion and thus cure the person

after one or more cycles of taking T3 and then tapering off T3.

The reality is that there is abosolutely no proof that excess

reverse T3 can be cured by doing this. In fact studies have shown

that the body makes reverse T3 in periods of excessive stress in

order to slow you down and allow for recovery. Reverse T3 production

serves a vital function of protecting you from doing more than you

have the resources for. Hypothyroidism itself is a stress on the

body and can result in increased reverse T3 production. Forcing a

body's metabolic rate up quickly with T3 when the person has a

health problem or impaired metabolism from deficiencies and illness,

may not be wise.

I was on this treatment for 7 months and I decided to do research on

it's effectiveness. When I contacted 's doctors about the cure

rate and success from 's cyclic T3 therapy, I was told by all

that it was tiny, less than 5%. My own doctor did not bother anymore

with the Protocol as he found it did not work. He just kept

people on T3 all the time. If you read letters to the

organization, you will find that this Cycling of T3 up and down

causes lots of suffering for people and probably wastes their time,

money, and possibly has negative effects on their long-term heatlh.

Many are just hypothyroid and need to be permanently on thyroid

medication. Studies have shown that it takes 6 weeks for the thyroid

to return to its previous function after stopping thyroid. So, when

people taper down on T3, they almost always become hypothyroid and

miserable untill they go back on it again.

In my opinion, people will never be cured of making too much reverse

T3 unless, the cause of the problem is addressed. You must repair

the body to health in order to stop it. So, in my book, the 's

protocol will not work for the vast majority of people since it does

not address the underlying cause. If you read the 's Protocol

book, you will find that it is the most dissapointing unscientific

bunch of melarky you'll ever read. I have found no research to

support his ideas.

All T3 therapy also has many drawbacks. First, it affects hormone

status and forces the body more toward androgen production. Second,

it depletes T4 to nothing and T4 has several functions in the body,

one of which is to regulate the heart. Without T4, the adrenal

glands have to work extra hard and you can get into trouble when

your activity level uses up T3 and you have no T4 to convert for

energy. Lastly, my own experience was that it affected my brain

significantly and I flattened out emotionally and would tolerate

things at work that I shouldn't have. I was sort of a zombe. I am

sure there are more consequences of using just one hormone to

replace all the ones that a healthy thyroid makes.

There are 7 thyroid hormones and the body needs them all. T1 is very

important for the brain and self esteem. T2 is what keeps you warm

in cold weather and is what burns fat. Calcitonin is very essential

to protect from bone loss.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/cliffs/35410.html

Armour has all the hormones that a healthy thyroid would make plus

calcitonin from the parathyroid. It contains about 24% T3. The human

thyroid makes between 10 and 20% T3. Armour therapy is is plain old

thyroid therapy and is given usually every day for life. Armour and

natural thyroid have been around since the late 1800s and was the

only treatment for hypothyroidism up untill about the mid 1960s. It

was very effective and patients were quite heatlhy on it.

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

The vast majority of people with hypothyroidism will need it the

rest of their lives. About 11% can be cured after being on thyroid

for about 6 to 8 years. But, doctors do not bother to test this out

on patients because the other 89% will suffer. Some people who have

undiagnosed celiac disease and other leaky gut condtions and

hypothyroidism have been cured of hypothyroidism after staying away

from wheat for about 8 months or more or by curing their leaky gut.

Tish

[Guest guest]

The 's Thyroid Syndrome concept is based on a theory by Dr.

that people have a stress in their life or illness that

sticks their body in a situation where it makes too much reverse T3.

Reverse T3 is inactive but will occupy receptors. The result of

excess reverse T3 is that the system slows down and causes symptoms

of hypothyroidism.

Dr. believes that giving T3 for short periods followed by

tapering off will reverse this condtion and thus cure the person

after one or more cycles of taking T3 and then tapering off T3.

The reality is that there is abosolutely no proof that excess

reverse T3 can be cured by doing this. In fact studies have shown

that the body makes reverse T3 in periods of excessive stress in

order to slow you down and allow for recovery. Reverse T3 production

serves a vital function of protecting you from doing more than you

have the resources for. Hypothyroidism itself is a stress on the

body and can result in increased reverse T3 production. Forcing a

body's metabolic rate up quickly with T3 when the person has a

health problem or impaired metabolism from deficiencies and illness,

may not be wise.

I was on this treatment for 7 months and I decided to do research on

it's effectiveness. When I contacted 's doctors about the cure

rate and success from 's cyclic T3 therapy, I was told by all

that it was tiny, less than 5%. My own doctor did not bother anymore

with the Protocol as he found it did not work. He just kept

people on T3 all the time. If you read letters to the

organization, you will find that this Cycling of T3 up and down

causes lots of suffering for people and probably wastes their time,

money, and possibly has negative effects on their long-term heatlh.

Many are just hypothyroid and need to be permanently on thyroid

medication. Studies have shown that it takes 6 weeks for the thyroid

to return to its previous function after stopping thyroid. So, when

people taper down on T3, they almost always become hypothyroid and

miserable untill they go back on it again.

In my opinion, people will never be cured of making too much reverse

T3 unless, the cause of the problem is addressed. You must repair

the body to health in order to stop it. So, in my book, the 's

protocol will not work for the vast majority of people since it does

not address the underlying cause. If you read the 's Protocol

book, you will find that it is the most dissapointing unscientific

bunch of melarky you'll ever read. I have found no research to

support his ideas.

All T3 therapy also has many drawbacks. First, it affects hormone

status and forces the body more toward androgen production. Second,

it depletes T4 to nothing and T4 has several functions in the body,

one of which is to regulate the heart. Without T4, the adrenal

glands have to work extra hard and you can get into trouble when

your activity level uses up T3 and you have no T4 to convert for

energy. Lastly, my own experience was that it affected my brain

significantly and I flattened out emotionally and would tolerate

things at work that I shouldn't have. I was sort of a zombe. I am

sure there are more consequences of using just one hormone to

replace all the ones that a healthy thyroid makes.

There are 7 thyroid hormones and the body needs them all. T1 is very

important for the brain and self esteem. T2 is what keeps you warm

in cold weather and is what burns fat. Calcitonin is very essential

to protect from bone loss.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/cliffs/35410.html

Armour has all the hormones that a healthy thyroid would make plus

calcitonin from the parathyroid. It contains about 24% T3. The human

thyroid makes between 10 and 20% T3. Armour therapy is is plain old

thyroid therapy and is given usually every day for life. Armour and

natural thyroid have been around since the late 1800s and was the

only treatment for hypothyroidism up untill about the mid 1960s. It

was very effective and patients were quite heatlhy on it.

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

The vast majority of people with hypothyroidism will need it the

rest of their lives. About 11% can be cured after being on thyroid

for about 6 to 8 years. But, doctors do not bother to test this out

on patients because the other 89% will suffer. Some people who have

undiagnosed celiac disease and other leaky gut condtions and

hypothyroidism have been cured of hypothyroidism after staying away

from wheat for about 8 months or more or by curing their leaky gut.

Tish

[Guest guest]

on 3/23/05 10:51 AM, lkwetter at saltillo@... wrote:

The 's Thyroid Syndrome concept is based on a theory by Dr.

that people have a stress in their life or illness that

sticks their body in a situation where it makes too much reverse T3.

Reverse T3 is inactive but will occupy receptors.

>>>THat is exactly what it felt like was ogng on with me.

The result of

excess reverse T3 is that the system slows down and causes symptoms

of hypothyroidism.

Dr. believes that giving T3 for short periods followed by

tapering off will reverse this condtion and thus cure the person

after one or more cycles of taking T3 and then tapering off T3.

The reality is that there is abosolutely no proof that excess

reverse T3 can be cured by doing this. In fact studies have shown

that the body makes reverse T3 in periods of excessive stress in

order to slow you down and allow for recovery. Reverse T3 production

serves a vital function of protecting you from doing more than you

have the resources for. Hypothyroidism itself is a stress on the

body and can result in increased reverse T3 production. Forcing a

body's metabolic rate up quickly with T3 when the person has a

health problem or impaired metabolism from deficiencies and illness,

may not be wise.

>>>Combined with mercury, which also blocks the receptors, I wonder if this is

what almost klled me after I went through some exterme stress....

I was on this treatment for 7 months and I decided to do research on

it's effectiveness. When I contacted 's doctors about the cure

rate and success from 's cyclic T3 therapy, I was told by all

that it was tiny, less than 5%. My own doctor did not bother anymore

with the Protocol as he found it did not work. He just kept

people on T3 all the time. If you read letters to the

organization, you will find that this Cycling of T3 up and down

causes lots of suffering for people and probably wastes their time,

money, and possibly has negative effects on their long-term heatlh.

Many are just hypothyroid and need to be permanently on thyroid

medication. Studies have shown that it takes 6 weeks for the thyroid

to return to its previous function after stopping thyroid. So, when

people taper down on T3, they almost always become hypothyroid and

miserable untill they go back on it again.

In my opinion, people will never be cured of making too much reverse

T3 unless, the cause of the problem is addressed. You must repair

the body to health in order to stop it. So, in my book, the 's

protocol will not work for the vast majority of people since it does

not address the underlying cause. If you read the 's Protocol

book, you will find that it is the most dissapointing unscientific

bunch of melarky you'll ever read. I have found no research to

support his ideas.

All T3 therapy also has many drawbacks. First, it affects hormone

status and forces the body more toward androgen production. Second,

it depletes T4 to nothing and T4 has several functions in the body,

one of which is to regulate the heart. Without T4, the adrenal

glands have to work extra hard and you can get into trouble when

your activity level uses up T3 and you have no T4 to convert for

energy. Lastly, my own experience was that it affected my brain

significantly and I flattened out emotionally and would tolerate

things at work that I shouldn't have. I was sort of a zombe. I am

sure there are more consequences of using just one hormone to

replace all the ones that a healthy thyroid makes.

There are 7 thyroid hormones and the body needs them all. T1 is very

important for the brain and self esteem. T2 is what keeps you warm

in cold weather and is what burns fat. Calcitonin is very essential

to protect from bone loss.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/cliffs/35410.html

>>>Tish,I am stll taking my NAtural Thyroid hormones, but can you tell me why if

I take 3 grains of Armour in the morning I feel ABDOLUTELY NOTHING....never

ever have, and yet, if I take 1/4 tablet of Cytomel (6.5 mg) with no other

thyroid having been taken that day, I feel SO MUCH BETTER! The T3 in CYTOMEL

seems to do for me what the T3 in Armour cannot.

>>>Is there a reason for this that I do not know/understand?

>>>(I am taking 12 1/2 mg of cortisol per day as well. I take it at the same

times I take the thyroid. Seems to work well for me that way))

Armour has all the hormones that a healthy thyroid would make plus

calcitonin from the parathyroid. It contains about 24% T3. The human

thyroid makes between 10 and 20% T3. Armour therapy is is plain old

thyroid therapy and is given usually every day for life. Armour and

natural thyroid have been around since the late 1800s and was the

only treatment for hypothyroidism up untill about the mid 1960s. It

was very effective and patients were quite heatlhy on it.

http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/

The vast majority of people with hypothyroidism will need it the

rest of their lives. About 11% can be cured after being on thyroid

for about 6 to 8 years. But, doctors do not bother to test this out

on patients because the other 89% will suffer. Some people who have

undiagnosed celiac disease and other leaky gut condtions and

hypothyroidism have been cured of hypothyroidism after staying away

from wheat for about 8 months or more or by curing their leaky gut.

>>>I need to try that.

>>>Tish (etal). I wonder....I started taking 2 grains of natural thryoid about 4

years ago. 2 1/2 years later after some major stressors, I crashed and

almost died, I think. Is this a low enough dose, that it probably was

actually making me worse all along?

>>>I maintain that it gave me back my periods, and made them regular, but

other than that I felt NOTHING from it....except that I was gradually

getting sicker. Do you think that all the while it was making me worse and I

am jsut now digging my way out?

>>>Up until now, I had been blaming possible environmental exposure to mercury

and arsenic at Mammoth Lakes for this, ( I DO have mercury toxicity, but

maybe the thryoid has been a mich bigger player than I realized)...but could

it be the low dose THYROID supplementation and little or nothing due to

Mammoth Lakes...or should I say, at least to a large degree?

>>>Thanks,

>>>Inga

Tish

[Guest guest]

> >>>Tish,I am stll taking my NAtural Thyroid hormones, but can you

tell me why if

> I take 3 grains of Armour in the morning I feel ABDOLUTELY

NOTHING....never

> ever have, and yet, if I take 1/4 tablet of Cytomel (6.5 mg) with

no other

> thyroid having been taken that day, I feel SO MUCH BETTER! The T3

in CYTOMEL

> seems to do for me what the T3 in Armour cannot.

______________________________

I've read stories in older texts and papers that some some doctors

thought that occasionally some people became resistant to Armour and

then they would have to put them on synthetics. I think that people

can develope antibodies against normal thyroid hormones that may

make them be attacked and destroyed. Also, the T3 in cytomel varies

from human T3 slightly. It has a Sodium attached. This may change

something about it. The combination of the other Ts with the T3 in

Armour may also work to flatten the response to the T3. I don't know

the answer to this. I think the body is very complex and there are

amny forms of thyroid dysfunction.

Mercury interferes with the enzyme reaction that converts T4 to T3.

It competes with Selenium and replaces it. Selinium is used in the

enzymes that convert T4 to T3. Also, chromium is part of enzyme

system and mercury competes with it also.

So, direct T3, would avoid this issue of converting the 80% T4 in

Armour to T3 for energy.

_____________________

I am taking 12 1/2 mg of cortisol per day as well. I take it at the

same

> times I take the thyroid.

______________________

Taking cortisol at the same time as thyroid works well, because it

allows the body to better use T3 from the T3 spike that you get that

lasts a few hours after taking the Armour.

____________________

> >>>Tish (etal). I wonder....I started taking 2 grains of natural

thryoid about 4

> years ago. 2 1/2 years later after some major stressors, I crashed

and

> almost died, I think. Is this a low enough dose, that it probably

was

> actually making me worse all along?

______________________

I would agree with you. Doses of thyroid that are not high enough

lead to weak adrenal function. This will impair your ability to

handle stress.

______________________

Do you think that all the while it was making me worse and I

> am jsut now digging my way out?

_____________________

I was getting sicker for the year I was on 2 grains. I developed all

kinds of new problems that I didn't have before hypothyroidism

treatment. I got bursitis in my feet, arthritis, muscle pain,

fibromyalgia symptoms.

Low dose thyroid therapy can actually make you more hypo than doing

nothing due to pills causing over suppression of the pituitary so

your thyroid does not make enough to add on top of your pills to get

your daily total up high enough.

_________________________

>

> >>>Up until now, I had been blaming possible environmental

exposure to mercury

> and arsenic at Mammoth Lakes for this, ( I DO have mercury

toxicity, but

> maybe the thryoid has been a mich bigger player than I

realized)...but could

> it be the low dose THYROID supplementation and little or nothing

due to

> Mammoth Lakes...or should I say, at least to a large degree?

_____________________

If thyroid is not high enough, toxic metals cannot be removed from

the system. Basically, you can become really toxic if you are hypo.

Mercury and arsenic are naturally removed from the body slowly as

long as you don't keep recontaminating yourself. But, if your

metabolic rate is too slow, you cannot remove these things. Mercury,

especially, requires antioxidants to attach to it in order for it to

be removed. One of these is glutathionine. Glutathionine and other

important antioxidants are severly depleted in hypothyroidism. Many

changes happen in the body in hypothyroidism that make you hold on

to toxins. The body also cannot take up adequate nutrients like

selinium, and protien, when you are hypo and this makes mercury have

a greater impact on the system. If a mercury toxic person takes

extra selinium, protien supplements, and antioxidants, they can

lessen the effect of the mercury.

You need a body that has a healthy metabolic rate and lots of

antioxidants, and nutrients to remove toxic metals. Hypothyroidism

works against this.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> >>>Tish,I am stll taking my NAtural Thyroid hormones, but can you

tell me why if

> I take 3 grains of Armour in the morning I feel ABDOLUTELY

NOTHING....never

> ever have, and yet, if I take 1/4 tablet of Cytomel (6.5 mg) with

no other

> thyroid having been taken that day, I feel SO MUCH BETTER! The T3

in CYTOMEL

> seems to do for me what the T3 in Armour cannot.

______________________________

I've read stories in older texts and papers that some some doctors

thought that occasionally some people became resistant to Armour and

then they would have to put them on synthetics. I think that people

can develope antibodies against normal thyroid hormones that may

make them be attacked and destroyed. Also, the T3 in cytomel varies

from human T3 slightly. It has a Sodium attached. This may change

something about it. The combination of the other Ts with the T3 in

Armour may also work to flatten the response to the T3. I don't know

the answer to this. I think the body is very complex and there are

amny forms of thyroid dysfunction.

Mercury interferes with the enzyme reaction that converts T4 to T3.

It competes with Selenium and replaces it. Selinium is used in the

enzymes that convert T4 to T3. Also, chromium is part of enzyme

system and mercury competes with it also.

So, direct T3, would avoid this issue of converting the 80% T4 in

Armour to T3 for energy.

_____________________

I am taking 12 1/2 mg of cortisol per day as well. I take it at the

same

> times I take the thyroid.

______________________

Taking cortisol at the same time as thyroid works well, because it

allows the body to better use T3 from the T3 spike that you get that

lasts a few hours after taking the Armour.

____________________

> >>>Tish (etal). I wonder....I started taking 2 grains of natural

thryoid about 4

> years ago. 2 1/2 years later after some major stressors, I crashed

and

> almost died, I think. Is this a low enough dose, that it probably

was

> actually making me worse all along?

______________________

I would agree with you. Doses of thyroid that are not high enough

lead to weak adrenal function. This will impair your ability to

handle stress.

______________________

Do you think that all the while it was making me worse and I

> am jsut now digging my way out?

_____________________

I was getting sicker for the year I was on 2 grains. I developed all

kinds of new problems that I didn't have before hypothyroidism

treatment. I got bursitis in my feet, arthritis, muscle pain,

fibromyalgia symptoms.

Low dose thyroid therapy can actually make you more hypo than doing

nothing due to pills causing over suppression of the pituitary so

your thyroid does not make enough to add on top of your pills to get

your daily total up high enough.

_________________________

>

> >>>Up until now, I had been blaming possible environmental

exposure to mercury

> and arsenic at Mammoth Lakes for this, ( I DO have mercury

toxicity, but

> maybe the thryoid has been a mich bigger player than I

realized)...but could

> it be the low dose THYROID supplementation and little or nothing

due to

> Mammoth Lakes...or should I say, at least to a large degree?

_____________________

If thyroid is not high enough, toxic metals cannot be removed from

the system. Basically, you can become really toxic if you are hypo.

Mercury and arsenic are naturally removed from the body slowly as

long as you don't keep recontaminating yourself. But, if your

metabolic rate is too slow, you cannot remove these things. Mercury,

especially, requires antioxidants to attach to it in order for it to

be removed. One of these is glutathionine. Glutathionine and other

important antioxidants are severly depleted in hypothyroidism. Many

changes happen in the body in hypothyroidism that make you hold on

to toxins. The body also cannot take up adequate nutrients like

selinium, and protien, when you are hypo and this makes mercury have

a greater impact on the system. If a mercury toxic person takes

extra selinium, protien supplements, and antioxidants, they can

lessen the effect of the mercury.

You need a body that has a healthy metabolic rate and lots of

antioxidants, and nutrients to remove toxic metals. Hypothyroidism

works against this.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish this is something I hear every day on this and other forums. " But

hypothyroid isn;t ALL my problem, I have alot of other health problems too " . And

it saddens me that these people do not realize just HOW much of a health problem

hypothyroidism really is. We have all been brainwashed in to believing it is

" JUST " hypothyroidism, it won't kill us and if we weren't such babies making a

whole mountain out of this " irritating " condition, after all, it won't kill

you. How many times have we heard these words? Well I think it is HIGH time the

world and especially US that are affected with this disease realize it IS a big

deal! It WILL kill us if not treated and all the other ills we have are likely

just side effects of this LITTLE disease called hypothyroid that we share. I

hear about Arthritis, PECOS, Endometriosis, MVP, Mental Disorders, High Blood

Pressure, Suicidal Tendencies, Vericose Veins, Hair loss, Infertility, Pneumonia

all the time, Allergies, Rashes, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Adrenal Fatigue,

and possibly a WHOLE lot more that are SYMPTOMS of the real biggie..

HYPOTHYROIDISM~!

When the medical community really comes to it's senses and admits this and

actually starts treating this for the deadly, life ruining disease it really is,

maybe then we all will have lives again.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Tish this is something I hear every day on this and other forums. " But

hypothyroid isn;t ALL my problem, I have alot of other health problems too " . And

it saddens me that these people do not realize just HOW much of a health problem

hypothyroidism really is. We have all been brainwashed in to believing it is

" JUST " hypothyroidism, it won't kill us and if we weren't such babies making a

whole mountain out of this " irritating " condition, after all, it won't kill

you. How many times have we heard these words? Well I think it is HIGH time the

world and especially US that are affected with this disease realize it IS a big

deal! It WILL kill us if not treated and all the other ills we have are likely

just side effects of this LITTLE disease called hypothyroid that we share. I

hear about Arthritis, PECOS, Endometriosis, MVP, Mental Disorders, High Blood

Pressure, Suicidal Tendencies, Vericose Veins, Hair loss, Infertility, Pneumonia

all the time, Allergies, Rashes, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Adrenal Fatigue,

and possibly a WHOLE lot more that are SYMPTOMS of the real biggie..

HYPOTHYROIDISM~!

When the medical community really comes to it's senses and admits this and

actually starts treating this for the deadly, life ruining disease it really is,

maybe then we all will have lives again.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Tish this is something I hear every day on this and other forums. " But

hypothyroid isn;t ALL my problem, I have alot of other health problems too " . And

it saddens me that these people do not realize just HOW much of a health problem

hypothyroidism really is. We have all been brainwashed in to believing it is

" JUST " hypothyroidism, it won't kill us and if we weren't such babies making a

whole mountain out of this " irritating " condition, after all, it won't kill

you. How many times have we heard these words? Well I think it is HIGH time the

world and especially US that are affected with this disease realize it IS a big

deal! It WILL kill us if not treated and all the other ills we have are likely

just side effects of this LITTLE disease called hypothyroid that we share. I

hear about Arthritis, PECOS, Endometriosis, MVP, Mental Disorders, High Blood

Pressure, Suicidal Tendencies, Vericose Veins, Hair loss, Infertility, Pneumonia

all the time, Allergies, Rashes, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Adrenal Fatigue,

and possibly a WHOLE lot more that are SYMPTOMS of the real biggie..

HYPOTHYROIDISM~!

When the medical community really comes to it's senses and admits this and

actually starts treating this for the deadly, life ruining disease it really is,

maybe then we all will have lives again.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

You hit the nail on the head with this post! My mom has been on

Synthroid for a number of years, and has developed " arthritis " and

has extra weight, periodic dizzy spells, excessive sweating, but

she's not inclined to question her doctor. She also developed (and

fortunately survived) ovarian cancer, which she blames on estrogen

replacement. I would love to see her thyroid numbers, but of course

her docs only test TSH! My sister had a long bout with unexplained

pancreatitis last summer/fall, but of course her thyroid is normal,

too. My grandmother (my father's mother) had some sort of thyroid

problems in her 40's, around WWII timeframe, for which she had pills

to take as needed.

> Tish this is something I hear every day on this and other

forums. " But hypothyroid isn;t ALL my problem, I have alot of other

health problems too " . And it saddens me that these people do not

realize just HOW much of a health problem hypothyroidism really is.

We have all been brainwashed in to believing it is " JUST "

hypothyroidism, it won't kill us and if we weren't such babies

making a whole mountain out of this " irritating " condition, after

all, it won't kill you. How many times have we heard these words?

Well I think it is HIGH time the world and especially US that are

affected with this disease realize it IS a big deal! It WILL kill us

if not treated and all the other ills we have are likely just side

effects of this LITTLE disease called hypothyroid that we share. I

hear about Arthritis, PECOS, Endometriosis, MVP, Mental Disorders,

High Blood Pressure, Suicidal Tendencies, Vericose Veins, Hair loss,

Infertility, Pneumonia all the time, Allergies, Rashes,

Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Adrenal Fatigue, and possibly a WHOLE

lot more that are SYMPTOMS of the real biggie.. HYPOTHYROIDISM~!

> When the medical community really comes to it's senses and

admits this and actually starts treating this for the deadly, life

ruining disease it really is, maybe then we all will have lives

again.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You hit the nail on the head with this post! My mom has been on

Synthroid for a number of years, and has developed " arthritis " and

has extra weight, periodic dizzy spells, excessive sweating, but

she's not inclined to question her doctor. She also developed (and

fortunately survived) ovarian cancer, which she blames on estrogen

replacement. I would love to see her thyroid numbers, but of course

her docs only test TSH! My sister had a long bout with unexplained

pancreatitis last summer/fall, but of course her thyroid is normal,

too. My grandmother (my father's mother) had some sort of thyroid

problems in her 40's, around WWII timeframe, for which she had pills

to take as needed.

> Tish this is something I hear every day on this and other

forums. " But hypothyroid isn;t ALL my problem, I have alot of other

health problems too " . And it saddens me that these people do not

realize just HOW much of a health problem hypothyroidism really is.

We have all been brainwashed in to believing it is " JUST "

hypothyroidism, it won't kill us and if we weren't such babies

making a whole mountain out of this " irritating " condition, after

all, it won't kill you. How many times have we heard these words?

Well I think it is HIGH time the world and especially US that are

affected with this disease realize it IS a big deal! It WILL kill us

if not treated and all the other ills we have are likely just side

effects of this LITTLE disease called hypothyroid that we share. I

hear about Arthritis, PECOS, Endometriosis, MVP, Mental Disorders,

High Blood Pressure, Suicidal Tendencies, Vericose Veins, Hair loss,

Infertility, Pneumonia all the time, Allergies, Rashes,

Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Adrenal Fatigue, and possibly a WHOLE

lot more that are SYMPTOMS of the real biggie.. HYPOTHYROIDISM~!

> When the medical community really comes to it's senses and

admits this and actually starts treating this for the deadly, life

ruining disease it really is, maybe then we all will have lives

again.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You hit the nail on the head with this post! My mom has been on

Synthroid for a number of years, and has developed " arthritis " and

has extra weight, periodic dizzy spells, excessive sweating, but

she's not inclined to question her doctor. She also developed (and

fortunately survived) ovarian cancer, which she blames on estrogen

replacement. I would love to see her thyroid numbers, but of course

her docs only test TSH! My sister had a long bout with unexplained

pancreatitis last summer/fall, but of course her thyroid is normal,

too. My grandmother (my father's mother) had some sort of thyroid

problems in her 40's, around WWII timeframe, for which she had pills

to take as needed.

> Tish this is something I hear every day on this and other

forums. " But hypothyroid isn;t ALL my problem, I have alot of other

health problems too " . And it saddens me that these people do not

realize just HOW much of a health problem hypothyroidism really is.

We have all been brainwashed in to believing it is " JUST "

hypothyroidism, it won't kill us and if we weren't such babies

making a whole mountain out of this " irritating " condition, after

all, it won't kill you. How many times have we heard these words?

Well I think it is HIGH time the world and especially US that are

affected with this disease realize it IS a big deal! It WILL kill us

if not treated and all the other ills we have are likely just side

effects of this LITTLE disease called hypothyroid that we share. I

hear about Arthritis, PECOS, Endometriosis, MVP, Mental Disorders,

High Blood Pressure, Suicidal Tendencies, Vericose Veins, Hair loss,

Infertility, Pneumonia all the time, Allergies, Rashes,

Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, Adrenal Fatigue, and possibly a WHOLE

lot more that are SYMPTOMS of the real biggie.. HYPOTHYROIDISM~!

> When the medical community really comes to it's senses and

admits this and actually starts treating this for the deadly, life

ruining disease it really is, maybe then we all will have lives

again.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>