Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> and antithistamines (Gawd! I love validation! I took 50mg of Benedryl last

> night and 25 the night before!)

>

well dang...i'd been doing this once in a while..and didn't even know it was

okay. wow.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> and antithistamines (Gawd! I love validation! I took 50mg of Benedryl last

> night and 25 the night before!)

>

well dang...i'd been doing this once in a while..and didn't even know it was

okay. wow.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> and antithistamines (Gawd! I love validation! I took 50mg of Benedryl last

> night and 25 the night before!)

>

well dang...i'd been doing this once in a while..and didn't even know it was

okay. wow.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/2005 11:46:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

klb58@... writes:

> what are you taking the Benadryl for ? Allergies?

>

2 benedryl will put me ya to sleep.

i take it when i can't sleep.

cindi

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

Antinuclear Antibodies 1:80 ref <1:80 negative / >1:80 positive

> suggestive of SLE, MCTD, Scleroderma Polymyisutus/ Scleroderma

Overlap, PSS w/Crest syndrome variable

> GLIADIN Ab.SIgA 13 borderline ref borderline 13-15

> [Winona, could this also be from existing MS?]

,

The ANA test shows you to be borderine positive - but with no specific

autoantibody indentified in this report. You also have a borderline

positive anti-gliadin result. We find that 20-25% of MS patients have

positive ANA results - some with specific antibodies - some

non-specific. Autoantibodies do tend to occur in MS patients,

however, it is not certain if there is a cause-effect relationship -

or just a co-existance. If you or the doctor is concerned about

knowing the spedificity of the ANA test, you should have it done at a

lab specializing in testing for autoimmune diseases - if you live in

major city with a good research university, there may be a good

research/clinical lab that will perform leading edge testing for

autoantibodies. This particular lab just did a very crude screening.

Winona

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

Antinuclear Antibodies 1:80 ref <1:80 negative / >1:80 positive

> suggestive of SLE, MCTD, Scleroderma Polymyisutus/ Scleroderma

Overlap, PSS w/Crest syndrome variable

> GLIADIN Ab.SIgA 13 borderline ref borderline 13-15

> [Winona, could this also be from existing MS?]

,

The ANA test shows you to be borderine positive - but with no specific

autoantibody indentified in this report. You also have a borderline

positive anti-gliadin result. We find that 20-25% of MS patients have

positive ANA results - some with specific antibodies - some

non-specific. Autoantibodies do tend to occur in MS patients,

however, it is not certain if there is a cause-effect relationship -

or just a co-existance. If you or the doctor is concerned about

knowing the spedificity of the ANA test, you should have it done at a

lab specializing in testing for autoimmune diseases - if you live in

major city with a good research university, there may be a good

research/clinical lab that will perform leading edge testing for

autoantibodies. This particular lab just did a very crude screening.

Winona

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

Antinuclear Antibodies 1:80 ref <1:80 negative / >1:80 positive

> suggestive of SLE, MCTD, Scleroderma Polymyisutus/ Scleroderma

Overlap, PSS w/Crest syndrome variable

> GLIADIN Ab.SIgA 13 borderline ref borderline 13-15

> [Winona, could this also be from existing MS?]

,

The ANA test shows you to be borderine positive - but with no specific

autoantibody indentified in this report. You also have a borderline

positive anti-gliadin result. We find that 20-25% of MS patients have

positive ANA results - some with specific antibodies - some

non-specific. Autoantibodies do tend to occur in MS patients,

however, it is not certain if there is a cause-effect relationship -

or just a co-existance. If you or the doctor is concerned about

knowing the spedificity of the ANA test, you should have it done at a

lab specializing in testing for autoimmune diseases - if you live in

major city with a good research university, there may be a good

research/clinical lab that will perform leading edge testing for

autoantibodies. This particular lab just did a very crude screening.

Winona

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Winona, for your amazing insight!

I think we will have to have a chocolate economy for such sharp evaluations!

Sending chocolate in our heat wave could be a bit tricky, though...

Thank you very very much!

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

Antinuclear Antibodies 1:80 ref <1:80 negative / >1:80 positive

> suggestive of SLE, MCTD, Scleroderma Polymyisutus/ Scleroderma

Overlap, PSS w/Crest syndrome variable

> GLIADIN Ab.SIgA 13 borderline ref borderline 13-15

> [Winona, could this also be from existing MS?]

,

The ANA test shows you to be borderine positive - but with no specific

autoantibody indentified in this report. You also have a borderline

positive anti-gliadin result. We find that 20-25% of MS patients have

positive ANA results - some with specific antibodies - some

non-specific. Autoantibodies do tend to occur in MS patients,

however, it is not certain if there is a cause-effect relationship -

or just a co-existance. If you or the doctor is concerned about

knowing the spedificity of the ANA test, you should have it done at a

lab specializing in testing for autoimmune diseases - if you live in

major city with a good research university, there may be a good

research/clinical lab that will perform leading edge testing for

autoantibodies. This particular lab just did a very crude screening.

Winona

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Winona, for your amazing insight!

I think we will have to have a chocolate economy for such sharp evaluations!

Sending chocolate in our heat wave could be a bit tricky, though...

Thank you very very much!

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

Antinuclear Antibodies 1:80 ref <1:80 negative / >1:80 positive

> suggestive of SLE, MCTD, Scleroderma Polymyisutus/ Scleroderma

Overlap, PSS w/Crest syndrome variable

> GLIADIN Ab.SIgA 13 borderline ref borderline 13-15

> [Winona, could this also be from existing MS?]

,

The ANA test shows you to be borderine positive - but with no specific

autoantibody indentified in this report. You also have a borderline

positive anti-gliadin result. We find that 20-25% of MS patients have

positive ANA results - some with specific antibodies - some

non-specific. Autoantibodies do tend to occur in MS patients,

however, it is not certain if there is a cause-effect relationship -

or just a co-existance. If you or the doctor is concerned about

knowing the spedificity of the ANA test, you should have it done at a

lab specializing in testing for autoimmune diseases - if you live in

major city with a good research university, there may be a good

research/clinical lab that will perform leading edge testing for

autoantibodies. This particular lab just did a very crude screening.

Winona

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Winona, for your amazing insight!

I think we will have to have a chocolate economy for such sharp evaluations!

Sending chocolate in our heat wave could be a bit tricky, though...

Thank you very very much!

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

Antinuclear Antibodies 1:80 ref <1:80 negative / >1:80 positive

> suggestive of SLE, MCTD, Scleroderma Polymyisutus/ Scleroderma

Overlap, PSS w/Crest syndrome variable

> GLIADIN Ab.SIgA 13 borderline ref borderline 13-15

> [Winona, could this also be from existing MS?]

,

The ANA test shows you to be borderine positive - but with no specific

autoantibody indentified in this report. You also have a borderline

positive anti-gliadin result. We find that 20-25% of MS patients have

positive ANA results - some with specific antibodies - some

non-specific. Autoantibodies do tend to occur in MS patients,

however, it is not certain if there is a cause-effect relationship -

or just a co-existance. If you or the doctor is concerned about

knowing the spedificity of the ANA test, you should have it done at a

lab specializing in testing for autoimmune diseases - if you live in

major city with a good research university, there may be a good

research/clinical lab that will perform leading edge testing for

autoantibodies. This particular lab just did a very crude screening.

Winona

[Guest guest]

Not exactly for me, not like seasonal sneezing allergies, antihistamines are

good for lots of inflammation kinds of responses and since I have low grade

chronic infections at least one viral (EBV) and one bacterial (Helicobacter

pylori), and probably Lyme, the histamine response can make me feel

uncomfortable, puffy, sleepless. So I just self-doctor. The part of the adrenal

discussion that said antihistamines might help made me nod.

The doc was impressed with the improvisation of slathering on the hydrocortisone

to keep myself OK after Big L had declined to help and was just stringing me

along.

Kerry, your sweet post really touched me. Guess I'll have to bring chocolate

when we go North in a couple months, huh? Maybe white chocolate so you don't get

fingerprints on your GORGEOUS wedding dress!?

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

what are you taking the Benadryl for ? Allergies?

Kerry

*******

I am so happy that you have finally gotten the

validation you needed! I think that the stress relief

that comes from that alone is tremendous. It sounds

like you are in good hands. Keep us posted on every

little detail.

*Hugs*

Kerry

[Guest guest]

Not exactly for me, not like seasonal sneezing allergies, antihistamines are

good for lots of inflammation kinds of responses and since I have low grade

chronic infections at least one viral (EBV) and one bacterial (Helicobacter

pylori), and probably Lyme, the histamine response can make me feel

uncomfortable, puffy, sleepless. So I just self-doctor. The part of the adrenal

discussion that said antihistamines might help made me nod.

The doc was impressed with the improvisation of slathering on the hydrocortisone

to keep myself OK after Big L had declined to help and was just stringing me

along.

Kerry, your sweet post really touched me. Guess I'll have to bring chocolate

when we go North in a couple months, huh? Maybe white chocolate so you don't get

fingerprints on your GORGEOUS wedding dress!?

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

what are you taking the Benadryl for ? Allergies?

Kerry

*******

I am so happy that you have finally gotten the

validation you needed! I think that the stress relief

that comes from that alone is tremendous. It sounds

like you are in good hands. Keep us posted on every

little detail.

*Hugs*

Kerry

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

> Thank you, Winona, for your amazing insight!

.. . .

> ...

Glad to lend a bit of advice when I can. Your question was just right

along my area of experience. I spent 5 years doing clinical

chemistry, 17 years doing research in autoimmune disorders and testing

new plus previously known autoantibodies, then did 5 years with

diabetes team, and now for the past 3 years have been doing MS research.

I guess we can send virtual chocolate. They were good Thanks.

Winona

[Guest guest]

--- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Mateosian "

> Thank you, Winona, for your amazing insight!

.. . .

> ...

Glad to lend a bit of advice when I can. Your question was just right

along my area of experience. I spent 5 years doing clinical

chemistry, 17 years doing research in autoimmune disorders and testing

new plus previously known autoantibodies, then did 5 years with

diabetes team, and now for the past 3 years have been doing MS research.

I guess we can send virtual chocolate. They were good Thanks.

Winona

[Guest guest]

Seattle in May.

DH has a conference and Miss M and I get to see the Space Needle, again. When we

were there about 9 yrs ago, we bought my mom a teeeny tiny emerald from the Mt

St Helen's eruption.

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Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

Where are you going north to?

Kerry

[Guest guest]

Seattle in May.

DH has a conference and Miss M and I get to see the Space Needle, again. When we

were there about 9 yrs ago, we bought my mom a teeeny tiny emerald from the Mt

St Helen's eruption.

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

Where are you going north to?

Kerry

[Guest guest]

I can't think of anything better to look forward to!

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

Would love to see you if you would like

Kerry

--- Mateosian Cjoi@...> wrote:

> Seattle in May.

[Guest guest]

I can't think of anything better to look forward to!

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Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

Would love to see you if you would like

Kerry

--- Mateosian Cjoi@...> wrote:

> Seattle in May.

[Guest guest]

That didn't sound right without the right tone of voice! - I can't think of

anything I'd rather look forward to, is more like it, Kerry!

I think it'd be a hoot! Maybe our two sweet 11 y/o's could meet...We'll have to

crank up the old Verizons!

I'm falling asleep at the computer - bad girl, need rest to recover...

Been sitting here half-dreaming of an Thyroid underground like the Underground

Railroad only for thyroid folks. We could get the one's who need to touch bases

with a good doc to come stay near, or with, us and we could set 'em up with a

sweet doc, like Dr Toth and his wife Jerri, to get the right tests ordered and

then they could get Armour.

Ok, today is like Armour-Christmas cause I'm so relieved to get help I just

can't settle down but I'm done babbling.

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Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

Would love to see you if you would like

Kerry

--- Mateosian wrote:

> Seattle in May.

[Guest guest]

That didn't sound right without the right tone of voice! - I can't think of

anything I'd rather look forward to, is more like it, Kerry!

I think it'd be a hoot! Maybe our two sweet 11 y/o's could meet...We'll have to

crank up the old Verizons!

I'm falling asleep at the computer - bad girl, need rest to recover...

Been sitting here half-dreaming of an Thyroid underground like the Underground

Railroad only for thyroid folks. We could get the one's who need to touch bases

with a good doc to come stay near, or with, us and we could set 'em up with a

sweet doc, like Dr Toth and his wife Jerri, to get the right tests ordered and

then they could get Armour.

Ok, today is like Armour-Christmas cause I'm so relieved to get help I just

can't settle down but I'm done babbling.

....

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

Would love to see you if you would like

Kerry

--- Mateosian wrote:

> Seattle in May.

[Guest guest]

Congrats, sounds like you hit the jackpot with this dr. What's the iodine book?

Kate

[Guest guest]

Congrats, sounds like you hit the jackpot with this dr. What's the iodine book?

Kate

[Guest guest]

I had been taking benydrl and melatonin at night for better sleep. It was

recommended by my fibro dr. Since I started my Armour I sleep better and dream

more. My constipation is better. And I've had NO migraines (can you tell how

much that thrills me). My temp is starting to rise. I can't tell you how hopeful

I am.

Kate

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> and antithistamines (Gawd! I love validation! I took 50mg of Benedryl last

> night and 25 the night before!)

>

well dang...i'd been doing this once in a while..and didn't even know it was

okay. wow.

cindi

[Guest guest]

I had been taking benydrl and melatonin at night for better sleep. It was

recommended by my fibro dr. Since I started my Armour I sleep better and dream

more. My constipation is better. And I've had NO migraines (can you tell how

much that thrills me). My temp is starting to rise. I can't tell you how hopeful

I am.

Kate

Re: Toth, today!! Real Armour!!

In a message dated 3/11/2005 9:46:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> and antithistamines (Gawd! I love validation! I took 50mg of Benedryl last

> night and 25 the night before!)

>

well dang...i'd been doing this once in a while..and didn't even know it was

okay. wow.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/12/2005 1:14:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Cjoi@... writes:

> and Cindi hooked me up with still another mom with a teenage son, near me,

> who were paying Langer to keep her son on an absurdly low dose for a long

> time and not treat symptoms.

>

the kid's Free T4 was .9...and langer thought 1 12/ grains was fine...and was

even worried about hyper because the TSH was something like .23. Can you

believe this?

cindi