Re: WARNING About Taking Steroid Treatment!

[Guest guest]

Well you are giving good advice and I hope your test lead you somewhere.

I'm so excited to finally reach the year mark. You see I wasn't educated

enough to have made the doctor perform the extra testing at diagnoses. She

had stated it would not matter...the treatement is the same. For a doctor

that is true...but for the patient... you want to know if it's short term or

long term. The test would have confirmed this for me but it would not have

changed the treatment much.

LaCretia

>

>

>

> " If I can wean off then I will take the ACTH Stem test to confirm if

>this will continue on an intermittent bases or if I

>will need steroids for life " .

>

>I believe THIS is the way to go. If you feel your adrenals are not

>making enough cortisol have the ACTH stim test to see if your

>adrenals are getting the message from ACTH (made in the pituitary

>gland) and making cortisol. There is also the CRH test which tests

>the pituitary to see if you are making ACTH, which inturn tells the

>adrenals to make cortisol. CRH stimulates the pituitary to make

>ATCH.

>

>It is pretty complicated, whereas I know a little bit about the

>adrenals I have to learn about the thryoid. I am starting to

>understand and again it involves that PITUITARY gland.. Grrr... LOL

>

>Just had a Brain and Pituitary MRI with contrast yesterday. I hope

>I don't have some kind of link there going on!!!

>

>Hugs,

>Canasa

>

>

> > The goal from my doctor was one year but, to be honest...I'm

>getting off so

> > I can get officially tested for 's and rule out the need

>for

> > permanent steroid replacement. If I can wean off then I will take

>the ACTH

> > Stem test to confirm if this will continue on an intermittent

>bases or if I

> > will need steroids for life. I'm ready to confirm this as my

>doctor has

> > told me that after weaning off I will still have to keep emergency

>doses for

> > those just in case moments. I still haven't found anyone that got

>off

> > perminently so this will be interesting to see how it goes!

> >

> > LaCretia

> > >

> > >

> > > >>I feel great other than the occasional flare ups.<<

> > >

> > >Now I AM confused! If you feel great why change the status quo?

>Are you

> > >having side effects from the Cortef? Or do you just feel it is

>time to get

> > >off it? Maybe your adrenals are not sufficiently rested to get

>off. I have

> > >read it can take up to 2 years and once in a while longer to heal

>the

> > >adrenals enough for them to take over on their own, so what's the

>rush?

> > >Believe me I am NOT pro adrenal support, as I have had many bad

>reactions

> > >from tying it myself, but I want to know all I can about it.

> > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > >Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I believe what they will do is put you on dexamethasone (spelling)

because it doesn't get picked up as cortisol in the labs, OR they

will switch you over to hydrocortisone, (cortef) for a week or so

then ask you NOT to take your cortef the morning before then test.

You need to be off cortef for 24 hours prior to any testing.

Hugs,

Canasa

>

> > The goal from my doctor was one year but, to be honest...I'm

getting

> > off so

> > I can get officially tested for 's and rule out the need

for

> > permanent steroid replacement. If I can wean off then I will

take the

> > ACTH

> > Stem test to confirm if this will continue on an intermittent

bases or

> > if I

> > will need steroids for life. I'm ready to confirm this as my

doctor has

> > told me that after weaning off I will still have to keep

emergency

> > doses for

> > those just in case moments. I still haven't found anyone that

got off

> > perminently so this will be interesting to see how it goes!

> >

> > LaCretia

> > >

> > >

> >

[Guest guest]

I believe what they will do is put you on dexamethasone (spelling)

because it doesn't get picked up as cortisol in the labs, OR they

will switch you over to hydrocortisone, (cortef) for a week or so

then ask you NOT to take your cortef the morning before then test.

You need to be off cortef for 24 hours prior to any testing.

Hugs,

Canasa

>

> > The goal from my doctor was one year but, to be honest...I'm

getting

> > off so

> > I can get officially tested for 's and rule out the need

for

> > permanent steroid replacement. If I can wean off then I will

take the

> > ACTH

> > Stem test to confirm if this will continue on an intermittent

bases or

> > if I

> > will need steroids for life. I'm ready to confirm this as my

doctor has

> > told me that after weaning off I will still have to keep

emergency

> > doses for

> > those just in case moments. I still haven't found anyone that

got off

> > perminently so this will be interesting to see how it goes!

> >

> > LaCretia

> > >

> > >

> >

[Guest guest]

There is a test to check that, UM.. I think it is called the

standing renin or aldosterone test. Thinking.. gosh, brain fogged

in this morning. Basically they take your base line draw, then you

stand for a half an hour then they take it again. Tells how the

aldosterone is doing. Oh geesh I better get my brain on, hahaha.. I

will have to hit the med pages to find out exactly what it is.. or

how they do it. OH the plasma renin activity test too.. look that

one up.

I know cushing patients that have had BOTH thier adrenals removed

are on cortisol and florinef to stablize thier electrolytes. ANd

yes I never Peeeeed so much as when I was after surgery for my

adrenal and while on the cortef, (weaning from body from it) I hit

the bathroom all the time. Once off of it, that quit. I was lucky

my OTHER gland was in GOOD shape, not atrophied or anything, so it

was able to pick up the slack and start producing. I weaned in 5

weeks.. MANY cushing's patients, pituitary/adrenal CAN take up to 2

years or more. It all depends on your adrenals, how shrunk they are

from the HIGH levels of cortisol you are producing etc.

Hugs,

Canasa

> > > > If I were you I would still go for a dialated eye exam

not a

> >regular

> > > > one.

> > > > > Re: Help, I may have

> >damaged my

> > > > eye!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Don;t think mine is cataracts I have been like this

for 15

> >years.

> > > > No better and only slightly worse eyesight. Normal for my

> >age...

> > > > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > > > > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or

hypothyroid

> >cats

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/http://groups.yahoo.com/g

>

>roup/hypokitties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/grohttp://groups.yahoo.c

o

> >m/gro>

> > > > up/hypokitties/>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

There is a test to check that, UM.. I think it is called the

standing renin or aldosterone test. Thinking.. gosh, brain fogged

in this morning. Basically they take your base line draw, then you

stand for a half an hour then they take it again. Tells how the

aldosterone is doing. Oh geesh I better get my brain on, hahaha.. I

will have to hit the med pages to find out exactly what it is.. or

how they do it. OH the plasma renin activity test too.. look that

one up.

I know cushing patients that have had BOTH thier adrenals removed

are on cortisol and florinef to stablize thier electrolytes. ANd

yes I never Peeeeed so much as when I was after surgery for my

adrenal and while on the cortef, (weaning from body from it) I hit

the bathroom all the time. Once off of it, that quit. I was lucky

my OTHER gland was in GOOD shape, not atrophied or anything, so it

was able to pick up the slack and start producing. I weaned in 5

weeks.. MANY cushing's patients, pituitary/adrenal CAN take up to 2

years or more. It all depends on your adrenals, how shrunk they are

from the HIGH levels of cortisol you are producing etc.

Hugs,

Canasa

> > > > If I were you I would still go for a dialated eye exam

not a

> >regular

> > > > one.

> > > > > Re: Help, I may have

> >damaged my

> > > > eye!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Don;t think mine is cataracts I have been like this

for 15

> >years.

> > > > No better and only slightly worse eyesight. Normal for my

> >age...

> > > > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > > > > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or

hypothyroid

> >cats

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/http://groups.yahoo.com/g

>

>roup/hypokitties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/grohttp://groups.yahoo.c

o

> >m/gro>

> > > > up/hypokitties/>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Wow... Thanks, all this information is very helpful. I was aware of the

drug you referred to earlier dex-something. Most docs though don't

recongnize it and say it still interfers with the tests so, it's hard to get

a doc to do that. I realize they are wrong... but what are you going to do?

LaCretia

>

>

>There is a test to check that, UM.. I think it is called the

>standing renin or aldosterone test. Thinking.. gosh, brain fogged

>in this morning. Basically they take your base line draw, then you

>stand for a half an hour then they take it again. Tells how the

>aldosterone is doing. Oh geesh I better get my brain on, hahaha.. I

>will have to hit the med pages to find out exactly what it is.. or

>how they do it. OH the plasma renin activity test too.. look that

>one up.

>

>I know cushing patients that have had BOTH thier adrenals removed

>are on cortisol and florinef to stablize thier electrolytes. ANd

>yes I never Peeeeed so much as when I was after surgery for my

>adrenal and while on the cortef, (weaning from body from it) I hit

>the bathroom all the time. Once off of it, that quit. I was lucky

>my OTHER gland was in GOOD shape, not atrophied or anything, so it

>was able to pick up the slack and start producing. I weaned in 5

>weeks.. MANY cushing's patients, pituitary/adrenal CAN take up to 2

>years or more. It all depends on your adrenals, how shrunk they are

>from the HIGH levels of cortisol you are producing etc.

>

>Hugs,

>Canasa

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > If I were you I would still go for a dialated eye exam

>not a

> > >regular

> > > > > one.

> > > > > > Re: Help, I may have

> > >damaged my

> > > > > eye!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Don;t think mine is cataracts I have been like this

>for 15

> > >years.

> > > > > No better and only slightly worse eyesight. Normal for my

> > >age...

> > > > > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > > > > > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or

>hypothyroid

> > >cats

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/http://groups.yahoo.com/g

> >

> >roup/hypokitties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/grohttp://groups.yahoo.c

>o

> > >m/gro>

> > > > > up/hypokitties/>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Wow... Thanks, all this information is very helpful. I was aware of the

drug you referred to earlier dex-something. Most docs though don't

recongnize it and say it still interfers with the tests so, it's hard to get

a doc to do that. I realize they are wrong... but what are you going to do?

LaCretia

>

>

>There is a test to check that, UM.. I think it is called the

>standing renin or aldosterone test. Thinking.. gosh, brain fogged

>in this morning. Basically they take your base line draw, then you

>stand for a half an hour then they take it again. Tells how the

>aldosterone is doing. Oh geesh I better get my brain on, hahaha.. I

>will have to hit the med pages to find out exactly what it is.. or

>how they do it. OH the plasma renin activity test too.. look that

>one up.

>

>I know cushing patients that have had BOTH thier adrenals removed

>are on cortisol and florinef to stablize thier electrolytes. ANd

>yes I never Peeeeed so much as when I was after surgery for my

>adrenal and while on the cortef, (weaning from body from it) I hit

>the bathroom all the time. Once off of it, that quit. I was lucky

>my OTHER gland was in GOOD shape, not atrophied or anything, so it

>was able to pick up the slack and start producing. I weaned in 5

>weeks.. MANY cushing's patients, pituitary/adrenal CAN take up to 2

>years or more. It all depends on your adrenals, how shrunk they are

>from the HIGH levels of cortisol you are producing etc.

>

>Hugs,

>Canasa

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > If I were you I would still go for a dialated eye exam

>not a

> > >regular

> > > > > one.

> > > > > > Re: Help, I may have

> > >damaged my

> > > > > eye!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Don;t think mine is cataracts I have been like this

>for 15

> > >years.

> > > > > No better and only slightly worse eyesight. Normal for my

> > >age...

> > > > > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > > > > > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or

>hypothyroid

> > >cats

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/http://groups.yahoo.com/g

> >

> >roup/hypokitties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/grohttp://groups.yahoo.c

>o

> > >m/gro>

> > > > > up/hypokitties/>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I suffer from low aldosterone and renin. They run two tests one a simple blood

test and one a simple urine test. The biggy is no salt or food that is naturally

high in salt for a minimum of 48 hour. For those of us wit real aldosterone

issues, the result is dangerous. We need salt and florinef. My blood pressure is

now a normal 110/70. It used to be 70/65.

Re: Help, I may have

> >damaged my

> > > > eye!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Don;t think mine is cataracts I have been like this

for 15

> >years.

> > > > No better and only slightly worse eyesight. Normal for my

> >age...

> > > > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > > > > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or

hypothyroid

> >cats

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypoki\

tties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/ghttp://groups.yahoo.com/g>

>

>roup/hypokitties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/grohttp://groups.yahoo.com/gro>

p://groups.yahoo.chttp://groups.yahoo.c/>

o

> >m/gro>

> > > > up/hypokitties/>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I suffer from low aldosterone and renin. They run two tests one a simple blood

test and one a simple urine test. The biggy is no salt or food that is naturally

high in salt for a minimum of 48 hour. For those of us wit real aldosterone

issues, the result is dangerous. We need salt and florinef. My blood pressure is

now a normal 110/70. It used to be 70/65.

Re: Help, I may have

> >damaged my

> > > > eye!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Don;t think mine is cataracts I have been like this

for 15

> >years.

> > > > No better and only slightly worse eyesight. Normal for my

> >age...

> > > > > *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > > > > Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or

hypothyroid

> >cats

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypoki\

tties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/ghttp://groups.yahoo.com/g>

>

>roup/hypokitties/>http://groups.yahoo.com/grohttp://groups.yahoo.com/gro>

p://groups.yahoo.chttp://groups.yahoo.c/>

o

> >m/gro>

> > > > up/hypokitties/>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I can see why if not needed for life that you would want to get off the

steroids. I am unable to stop florinef because my aldosterone issue is permanent

they think. This stuff all causes many other issues, but if you do have

s, it will be the only way to survive. I would also suggest testing

aldosterone first. My Dr's web site is

www.goodhormonehealth.comhttp://www.goodhormonehealth.com/> He specializes in

adrenal issue. Take a look.

Re: WARNING About Taking Steroid Treatment!

The goal from my doctor was one year but, to be honest...I'm getting off so

I can get officially tested for 's and rule out the need for

permanent steroid replacement. If I can wean off then I will take the ACTH

Stem test to confirm if this will continue on an intermittent bases or if I

will need steroids for life. I'm ready to confirm this as my doctor has

told me that after weaning off I will still have to keep emergency doses for

those just in case moments. I still haven't found anyone that got off

perminently so this will be interesting to see how it goes!

LaCretia

>

>

> >>

[Guest guest]

You give a very good doctor resource. He is someone that has helped

many folks. YOu live in the area or do have to go a long way to see

him. I so much would like to see that guy but finances right now

don't allow it. One day eh?

Hugs,

Canasa

> I can see why if not needed for life that you would want to get

off the steroids. I am unable to stop florinef because my

aldosterone issue is permanent they think. This stuff all causes

many other issues, but if you do have s, it will be the only

way to survive. I would also suggest testing aldosterone first. My

Dr's web site is

www.goodhormonehealth.comhttp://www.goodhormonehealth.com/> He

specializes in adrenal issue. Take a look.

> Re: WARNING About Taking

Steroid Treatment!

>

>

> The goal from my doctor was one year but, to be honest...I'm

getting off so

> I can get officially tested for 's and rule out the need

for

> permanent steroid replacement. If I can wean off then I will

take the ACTH

> Stem test to confirm if this will continue on an intermittent

bases or if I

> will need steroids for life. I'm ready to confirm this as my

doctor has

> told me that after weaning off I will still have to keep

emergency doses for

> those just in case moments. I still haven't found anyone that

got off

> perminently so this will be interesting to see how it goes!

>

> LaCretia

> >

> >

> > >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks I will take a look! I did see the doctor yesterday and she agreed

that it had been just over a year and if I was ready to wean off she's

ready. She wrote a schedule down for me to follow for reduction. She feels

confident that I DO NOT have 's and that it's just adrenal fatigue.

If I can let my body take this function back over...I'm ready! I'm tired of

taking the Cortef and on my stress days... I crash due to not having enough

in my blood. It's hard to tell when you need to add extra. I'm ready for

my body to do this for me again if it can. She will have me decrease

slowly... by 5mg every two weeks until I stop. I will keep you guys posted

on how it goes.

Thanks for the link!

Be Well!

LaCretia

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

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>Subject: Re: WARNING About Taking Steroid

>Treatment!

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>I can see why if not needed for life that you would want to get off the

>steroids. I am unable to stop florinef because my aldosterone issue is

>permanent they think. This stuff all causes many other issues, but if you

>do have s, it will be the only way to survive. I would also suggest

>testing aldosterone first. My Dr's web site is

>www.goodhormonehealth.comhttp://www.goodhormonehealth.com/> He

>specializes in adrenal issue. Take a look.

> Re: WARNING About Taking Steroid

>Treatment!

>

>

> The goal from my doctor was one year but, to be honest...I'm getting off

>so

> I can get officially tested for 's and rule out the need for

> permanent steroid replacement. If I can wean off then I will take the

>ACTH

> Stem test to confirm if this will continue on an intermittent bases or

>if I

> will need steroids for life. I'm ready to confirm this as my doctor has

> told me that after weaning off I will still have to keep emergency doses

>for

> those just in case moments. I still haven't found anyone that got off

> perminently so this will be interesting to see how it goes!

>

> LaCretia

> >

> >

> > >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What happens when you take 20 mg of cortisone a day is that

eventually the adrenals are weakened by half. But, in adrenal

fatigue, they might have been weakened by half already, The healthy

adrenals store about 3 weeks worth of hormone for stress needs that

can come up suddenly. So, in a healthy person, if they get a sudden

stress, cortisol can go very high in minutes to meet the need.

But, in people who have been on cortisol or who have adrenal

fatigue, this three weeks storage is cut in half or much smaller.

So, when you have a stress you only have half as much reserves for

it. The result is that a stress can cause you to run out of

cortisol. So, taking cortisones causes you to be limited in the

level of stress you can take. It squeezes down your window of safe

operation. This is why it is so easy to crash on steroids and in

adrenal fatigue. It's like not having enough money in the bank to

cover a big check.

So, as long as your stress stays in a narrow window, you will feel

fine. The thing people don't realize is that even being happy is a

stress. One reason hobbies make people feel good is because they

increase adrenal output and it acts like a stimulant and mood

enhancing drug. So, it is so hard for people to know what activity

or thing they are doing is using extra adrenal hormones. You can go

to a party and have a really good time and laugh a lot, and this

will make you crash the next day or in an hour if you have limited

adrenal capacity. You can forget to eat a meal or eat a lot of sugar

and this will crash you. The adrenals are very dynamic and can put

out a huge blast of cortisol in a short burst for some activity. So,

in adrenal fatigue or weakened adrenals from steroids, you are much

more at risk of emptying your adrenal stores without really knowing

why sometimes. It could be something so simple as having your boss

come up behind you and watch what you are doing for a minute.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish...

This is so true and this is why I want to get off of them so badly to allow

my body to take back over this function. If what the doctors say is true...

that 1 year of adrenal support should be enough to have the adrenals

repair...then my body should have no problem picking back up the job.

Thanks for posting this... I think it will help others that are " Thinking "

about doing cortef or any kind of steriod see that it's very difficult to

stay on and very hard to keep the stressors down to avoid crashes. I

normally do really well...the only time I have noticed a BIG crash is after

I come back from vacation, I usually crash about 3-4 days after returning.

Weird because my last vacation was so relaxing I thought. It is very

frustrating to have limits on what you can do becuase you know that your

reserves can't take very much. I want to start exercising again as I have

gained about 14lbs since last summer. Pants are getting tight! I would

love to exercise this off but realize that I am cutting back my cortef and

until I wean, I doubt my body will be able to take the stress that exercise

would cause. I did try last night and found that my muscles especially in

my lower calves are VERY weak and it almost felt like they were cramping

after only 10min of exercise. I will still try to do some low exercise to

help burn off this extra weight...at least as much as I can tolerate.

Usually when I get low on Cortisol.... I get nauseated and lose my

appetite... so maybe during the decrease in meds the weight will come off

anyway due to the nausea I usually get

LaCretia

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>eventually the adrenals are weakened by half. But, in adrenal

>fatigue, they might have been weakened by half already, The healthy

>adrenals store about 3 weeks worth of hormone for stress needs that

>can come up suddenly. So, in a healthy person, if they get a sudden

>stress, cortisol can go very high in minutes to meet the need.

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>But, in people who have been on cortisol or who have adrenal

>fatigue, this three weeks storage is cut in half or much smaller.

>So, when you have a stress you only have half as much reserves for

>it. The result is that a stress can cause you to run out of

>cortisol. So, taking cortisones causes you to be limited in the

>level of stress you can take. It squeezes down your window of safe

>operation. This is why it is so easy to crash on steroids and in

>adrenal fatigue. It's like not having enough money in the bank to

>cover a big check.

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>So, as long as your stress stays in a narrow window, you will feel

>fine. The thing people don't realize is that even being happy is a

>stress. One reason hobbies make people feel good is because they

>increase adrenal output and it acts like a stimulant and mood

>enhancing drug. So, it is so hard for people to know what activity

>or thing they are doing is using extra adrenal hormones. You can go

>to a party and have a really good time and laugh a lot, and this

>will make you crash the next day or in an hour if you have limited

>adrenal capacity. You can forget to eat a meal or eat a lot of sugar

>and this will crash you. The adrenals are very dynamic and can put

>out a huge blast of cortisol in a short burst for some activity. So,

>in adrenal fatigue or weakened adrenals from steroids, you are much

>more at risk of emptying your adrenal stores without really knowing

>why sometimes. It could be something so simple as having your boss

>come up behind you and watch what you are doing for a minute.

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[Guest guest]

For some reason, adrenally fatigued people can do strength training

excercises better than the cardiovascular work. You might try that.

Also, some doctors recommend you break up excercise into small 10

minute sessions spread out throughout the day.

My former doctor, Dr. , used to take 10 mg of cortisol before

he went to the gym. He is hypo himself. He takes all T3 and so this

puts a bigger burden on the adrenals. If you really want to

excercise, you can try to provide just the cortisol you need for

that activity. I don't know whether this is good or bad to do when

you are trying to get off. I know 's patients do this. I have

found that I need about 7 mg to do any of the more strenuous

activities.

It is really as you say - limiting. And taking extra so you can do

activities that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do has it's

downsides I am sure. But, to be able to excercise has it's benifits.

It's probably a zero sum game in the end.

Tish

[Guest guest]

For some reason, adrenally fatigued people can do strength training

excercises better than the cardiovascular work. You might try that.

Also, some doctors recommend you break up excercise into small 10

minute sessions spread out throughout the day.

My former doctor, Dr. , used to take 10 mg of cortisol before

he went to the gym. He is hypo himself. He takes all T3 and so this

puts a bigger burden on the adrenals. If you really want to

excercise, you can try to provide just the cortisol you need for

that activity. I don't know whether this is good or bad to do when

you are trying to get off. I know 's patients do this. I have

found that I need about 7 mg to do any of the more strenuous

activities.

It is really as you say - limiting. And taking extra so you can do

activities that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do has it's

downsides I am sure. But, to be able to excercise has it's benifits.

It's probably a zero sum game in the end.

Tish

[Guest guest]

For some reason, adrenally fatigued people can do strength training

excercises better than the cardiovascular work. You might try that.

Also, some doctors recommend you break up excercise into small 10

minute sessions spread out throughout the day.

My former doctor, Dr. , used to take 10 mg of cortisol before

he went to the gym. He is hypo himself. He takes all T3 and so this

puts a bigger burden on the adrenals. If you really want to

excercise, you can try to provide just the cortisol you need for

that activity. I don't know whether this is good or bad to do when

you are trying to get off. I know 's patients do this. I have

found that I need about 7 mg to do any of the more strenuous

activities.

It is really as you say - limiting. And taking extra so you can do

activities that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do has it's

downsides I am sure. But, to be able to excercise has it's benifits.

It's probably a zero sum game in the end.

Tish

[Guest guest]

THanks for the tips Tish! The doctor did say that anytime I need it...just

take more Cortef. Especially during exercise. I want to see how much I can

do first without adding it. So far, I have been able to do 15 min on a

treadmill (about 1 mile) and I have not crashed yet. I will try to be

careful though not to over do it but, I gotta do something about this extra

weight! So, I'm cutting back on the sweets (no more at all!) and eating

lighter. I'm not starving myself by any means, as I have never been able to

stay on a strick diet. I usually just cut out the sweets and cut back on

portions and the weight usually comes off. I have to admit this is the most

weight I have gained since I was pregnent so I want to concentrate on

getting it off right away. It's funny how the weight seem to creep up on

you and one day you go to put on paints that fit and your prying them on all

of the sudden lol! If I were to do 10 min on the treadmill...how long

between sets (like if I want to do another 10 min) would you think I would

need?

LaCretia

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>For some reason, adrenally fatigued people can do strength training

>excercises better than the cardiovascular work. You might try that.

>Also, some doctors recommend you break up excercise into small 10

>minute sessions spread out throughout the day.

>

>My former doctor, Dr. , used to take 10 mg of cortisol before

>he went to the gym. He is hypo himself. He takes all T3 and so this

>puts a bigger burden on the adrenals. If you really want to

>excercise, you can try to provide just the cortisol you need for

>that activity. I don't know whether this is good or bad to do when

>you are trying to get off. I know 's patients do this. I have

>found that I need about 7 mg to do any of the more strenuous

>activities.

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>It is really as you say - limiting. And taking extra so you can do

>activities that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do has it's

>downsides I am sure. But, to be able to excercise has it's benifits.

>It's probably a zero sum game in the end.

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>Tish

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THanks for the tips Tish! The doctor did say that anytime I need it...just

take more Cortef. Especially during exercise. I want to see how much I can

do first without adding it. So far, I have been able to do 15 min on a

treadmill (about 1 mile) and I have not crashed yet. I will try to be

careful though not to over do it but, I gotta do something about this extra

weight! So, I'm cutting back on the sweets (no more at all!) and eating

lighter. I'm not starving myself by any means, as I have never been able to

stay on a strick diet. I usually just cut out the sweets and cut back on

portions and the weight usually comes off. I have to admit this is the most

weight I have gained since I was pregnent so I want to concentrate on

getting it off right away. It's funny how the weight seem to creep up on

you and one day you go to put on paints that fit and your prying them on all

of the sudden lol! If I were to do 10 min on the treadmill...how long

between sets (like if I want to do another 10 min) would you think I would

need?

LaCretia

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>For some reason, adrenally fatigued people can do strength training

>excercises better than the cardiovascular work. You might try that.

>Also, some doctors recommend you break up excercise into small 10

>minute sessions spread out throughout the day.

>

>My former doctor, Dr. , used to take 10 mg of cortisol before

>he went to the gym. He is hypo himself. He takes all T3 and so this

>puts a bigger burden on the adrenals. If you really want to

>excercise, you can try to provide just the cortisol you need for

>that activity. I don't know whether this is good or bad to do when

>you are trying to get off. I know 's patients do this. I have

>found that I need about 7 mg to do any of the more strenuous

>activities.

>

>It is really as you say - limiting. And taking extra so you can do

>activities that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do has it's

>downsides I am sure. But, to be able to excercise has it's benifits.

>It's probably a zero sum game in the end.

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>Tish

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[Guest guest]

I have just read that some doctors recommend doing 10 minute

sessions broken up into about 3 sessions in the day. I would guess,

just from my own experience that you would need to wait at least and

hour between.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I have just read that some doctors recommend doing 10 minute

sessions broken up into about 3 sessions in the day. I would guess,

just from my own experience that you would need to wait at least and

hour between.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I have just read that some doctors recommend doing 10 minute

sessions broken up into about 3 sessions in the day. I would guess,

just from my own experience that you would need to wait at least and

hour between.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tish! I will try that and see how it goes...hopefully I won't crash!

LaCretia

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>sessions broken up into about 3 sessions in the day. I would guess,

>just from my own experience that you would need to wait at least and

>hour between.

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Thanks Tish! I will try that and see how it goes...hopefully I won't crash!

LaCretia

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>I have just read that some doctors recommend doing 10 minute

>sessions broken up into about 3 sessions in the day. I would guess,

>just from my own experience that you would need to wait at least and

>hour between.

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[Guest guest]

I live 2 1/2 hours away each direction, but he lets you do a lot via email after

the visit, so the $350. 00

3 times a year to me is worth it. Most Dr's nickeled and dime me to death and

still left me sick.

Re: WARNING About Taking Steroid Treatment!

You give a very good doctor resource. He is someone that has helped

many folks. YOu live in the area or do have to go a long way to see

him. I so much would like to see that guy but finances right now

don't allow it. One day eh?

Hugs,

Canasa