Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 In a message dated 3/8/2005 1:41:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, ebrischoux@... writes: > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > > Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal i've done lots of research on the psychiatric aspects of hypo. If there's a couple of things I've really learned, they are this: thyroid disease can cause a multitude of psychiatric problems. psychiatrists appear to be clueless to this ...and just love to prescribe dangerous psychotropic medications. forget the TSH in psychiatric disorder - it is MEANINGLESS...TSH is affected by psychiatric disorder folks with hypo problems and psychiatric problems tend to have normal thyroid hormone levels INITIALLY....the brain can be affected by hypo even when the thyroid hormone levels are normal....and suspect it if the Free T4 is in the lower 1/3 of the range. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 In a message dated 3/8/2005 1:41:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, ebrischoux@... writes: > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > > Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal i've done lots of research on the psychiatric aspects of hypo. If there's a couple of things I've really learned, they are this: thyroid disease can cause a multitude of psychiatric problems. psychiatrists appear to be clueless to this ...and just love to prescribe dangerous psychotropic medications. forget the TSH in psychiatric disorder - it is MEANINGLESS...TSH is affected by psychiatric disorder folks with hypo problems and psychiatric problems tend to have normal thyroid hormone levels INITIALLY....the brain can be affected by hypo even when the thyroid hormone levels are normal....and suspect it if the Free T4 is in the lower 1/3 of the range. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 In a message dated 3/8/2005 1:41:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, ebrischoux@... writes: > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > > Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal i've done lots of research on the psychiatric aspects of hypo. If there's a couple of things I've really learned, they are this: thyroid disease can cause a multitude of psychiatric problems. psychiatrists appear to be clueless to this ...and just love to prescribe dangerous psychotropic medications. forget the TSH in psychiatric disorder - it is MEANINGLESS...TSH is affected by psychiatric disorder folks with hypo problems and psychiatric problems tend to have normal thyroid hormone levels INITIALLY....the brain can be affected by hypo even when the thyroid hormone levels are normal....and suspect it if the Free T4 is in the lower 1/3 of the range. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Hi Ladies: Well the results from the conventional endo came back and they are as follows: Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal. THat she feels that his symptoms of thyroid are due to his medications (risperdal and trileptal) and his UNDERLYING condition (autism) She would not run an iodine level or cortisol level for me. Said thank you very much. I will look elsewhere for help. Like I said his morning temp 96.1. Have any of you found medications to interfere with morning temp?. Are the digital (which I used) thermometers less accurate than mercury old style? It's just too weird that he was so calm and happy the week I did the iodine test for either thyroid or adrenals not to be an issue. Oh Yeah-Wouldnt test his adrenals either. Guess he needed to have they thyroid tests come back skewed for her to really take an interest. Thanks for letting me vent. Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Where the antibodies done? Kate G At 12:38 PM 3/8/2005, you wrote: >Hi Ladies: Well the results from the conventional endo came back and >they are as follows: > >Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 >Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 >TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > >Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal. THat she feels that his >symptoms of thyroid are due to his medications (risperdal and >trileptal) and his UNDERLYING condition (autism) She would not run >an iodine level or cortisol level for me. Said thank you very much. >I will look elsewhere for help. Like I said his morning temp 96.1. >Have any of you found medications to interfere with morning temp?. >Are the digital (which I used) thermometers less accurate than >mercury old style? It's just too weird that he was so calm and happy >the week I did the iodine test for either thyroid or adrenals not to >be an issue. Oh Yeah-Wouldnt test his adrenals either. Guess he >needed to have they thyroid tests come back skewed for her to really >take an interest. Thanks for letting me vent. Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 In a message dated 3/8/2005 6:38:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, saltillo@... writes: > There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has > found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well > treated by medications can have major improvements or go off > medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3 Tish, I've read this information....and I can't help but wonder if they weren't just low thyroid to begin with. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 In a message dated 3/8/2005 6:38:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, saltillo@... writes: > There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has > found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well > treated by medications can have major improvements or go off > medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3 Tish, I've read this information....and I can't help but wonder if they weren't just low thyroid to begin with. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 In a message dated 3/8/2005 6:38:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, saltillo@... writes: > There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has > found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well > treated by medications can have major improvements or go off > medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3 Tish, I've read this information....and I can't help but wonder if they weren't just low thyroid to begin with. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Yes, digitals are less accurate that mercury, from our experience. Go to Google and type in those medications you list, plus the autism, and see if there is any mention of lowering of temp. His thyroid is only " normal " according to a man-made range of what is considered normal. He may not be normal......but doing more research can help. My husband runs numbers which are low like his, yet with a TSH in upper 2's-----and he doesn't feel fatigued as you think he would. Is there any family history of thyroid problems?? Janie > Hi Ladies: Well the results from the conventional endo came back and > they are as follows: > > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > > Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal. THat she feels that his > symptoms of thyroid are due to his medications (risperdal and > trileptal) and his UNDERLYING condition (autism) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Yes, digitals are less accurate that mercury, from our experience. Go to Google and type in those medications you list, plus the autism, and see if there is any mention of lowering of temp. His thyroid is only " normal " according to a man-made range of what is considered normal. He may not be normal......but doing more research can help. My husband runs numbers which are low like his, yet with a TSH in upper 2's-----and he doesn't feel fatigued as you think he would. Is there any family history of thyroid problems?? Janie > Hi Ladies: Well the results from the conventional endo came back and > they are as follows: > > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > > Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal. THat she feels that his > symptoms of thyroid are due to his medications (risperdal and > trileptal) and his UNDERLYING condition (autism) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 __________________________ These numbers are below the middle of the range, except TSH. TSH tends to be overly suppressed by thyroid meds and so is not always a good indicator of true thyroid function. It's just a measure of the pituitary output of TSH and is not a direct measure of thyroid hormone. The middle of the range for T3 is 3.25 and the middle of the range for T4 is 1.3. This is just my opinion, but, I have yet to see one single post in all the time I have been on this site and two others with numbers similar to these, where the people said they feel well. I have seen tons of labs posted with T3 below the midrange and T4 is usually near the bottom. None of these people feel right. You have lots of room to go up and will still be in the " Normal " range. Just a small amount more thyroid might make all the difference. If you feel the thyroid replacement is not right, then stick to your convictions. It will not hurt one bit to try out higher replacement and find out if it makes a difference. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 __________________________ These numbers are below the middle of the range, except TSH. TSH tends to be overly suppressed by thyroid meds and so is not always a good indicator of true thyroid function. It's just a measure of the pituitary output of TSH and is not a direct measure of thyroid hormone. The middle of the range for T3 is 3.25 and the middle of the range for T4 is 1.3. This is just my opinion, but, I have yet to see one single post in all the time I have been on this site and two others with numbers similar to these, where the people said they feel well. I have seen tons of labs posted with T3 below the midrange and T4 is usually near the bottom. None of these people feel right. You have lots of room to go up and will still be in the " Normal " range. Just a small amount more thyroid might make all the difference. If you feel the thyroid replacement is not right, then stick to your convictions. It will not hurt one bit to try out higher replacement and find out if it makes a difference. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 __________________________ These numbers are below the middle of the range, except TSH. TSH tends to be overly suppressed by thyroid meds and so is not always a good indicator of true thyroid function. It's just a measure of the pituitary output of TSH and is not a direct measure of thyroid hormone. The middle of the range for T3 is 3.25 and the middle of the range for T4 is 1.3. This is just my opinion, but, I have yet to see one single post in all the time I have been on this site and two others with numbers similar to these, where the people said they feel well. I have seen tons of labs posted with T3 below the midrange and T4 is usually near the bottom. None of these people feel right. You have lots of room to go up and will still be in the " Normal " range. Just a small amount more thyroid might make all the difference. If you feel the thyroid replacement is not right, then stick to your convictions. It will not hurt one bit to try out higher replacement and find out if it makes a difference. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well treated by medications can have major improvements or go off medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3. If you would like to contact someone who knows about this, go to this interview with Dr. Don and at the bottom is his email. He usually will answer in about a week. He's a nice man, but busy sometimes. http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/docdon.htm Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well treated by medications can have major improvements or go off medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3. If you would like to contact someone who knows about this, go to this interview with Dr. Don and at the bottom is his email. He usually will answer in about a week. He's a nice man, but busy sometimes. http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/docdon.htm Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks Tish: I did check out meds and risperdal in Rare instances will cause low temp. Couldnt find anything on trileptal. I didnt know about the risperdal tho. I posted before that there is an alternative m.d. that I think I may just make the appt with. I would still like to have his iodine and cortisol levels run. I am also going to get the old fashing thermometer and redo the morning temps. Eileen > > > > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > __________________________ > > These numbers are below the middle of the range, except TSH. TSH > tends to be overly suppressed by thyroid meds and so is not always a > good indicator of true thyroid function. It's just a measure of the > pituitary output of TSH and is not a direct measure of thyroid > hormone. > > The middle of the range for T3 is 3.25 and the middle of the range > for T4 is 1.3. This is just my opinion, but, I have yet to see one > single post in all the time I have been on this site and two others > with numbers similar to these, where the people said they feel well. > I have seen tons of labs posted with T3 below the midrange and T4 is > usually near the bottom. None of these people feel right. You have > lots of room to go up and will still be in the " Normal " range. Just > a small amount more thyroid might make all the difference. > > If you feel the thyroid replacement is not right, then stick to your > convictions. It will not hurt one bit to try out higher replacement > and find out if it makes a difference. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks Tish: I did check out meds and risperdal in Rare instances will cause low temp. Couldnt find anything on trileptal. I didnt know about the risperdal tho. I posted before that there is an alternative m.d. that I think I may just make the appt with. I would still like to have his iodine and cortisol levels run. I am also going to get the old fashing thermometer and redo the morning temps. Eileen > > > > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > __________________________ > > These numbers are below the middle of the range, except TSH. TSH > tends to be overly suppressed by thyroid meds and so is not always a > good indicator of true thyroid function. It's just a measure of the > pituitary output of TSH and is not a direct measure of thyroid > hormone. > > The middle of the range for T3 is 3.25 and the middle of the range > for T4 is 1.3. This is just my opinion, but, I have yet to see one > single post in all the time I have been on this site and two others > with numbers similar to these, where the people said they feel well. > I have seen tons of labs posted with T3 below the midrange and T4 is > usually near the bottom. None of these people feel right. You have > lots of room to go up and will still be in the " Normal " range. Just > a small amount more thyroid might make all the difference. > > If you feel the thyroid replacement is not right, then stick to your > convictions. It will not hurt one bit to try out higher replacement > and find out if it makes a difference. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks Tish: I did check out meds and risperdal in Rare instances will cause low temp. Couldnt find anything on trileptal. I didnt know about the risperdal tho. I posted before that there is an alternative m.d. that I think I may just make the appt with. I would still like to have his iodine and cortisol levels run. I am also going to get the old fashing thermometer and redo the morning temps. Eileen > > > > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > __________________________ > > These numbers are below the middle of the range, except TSH. TSH > tends to be overly suppressed by thyroid meds and so is not always a > good indicator of true thyroid function. It's just a measure of the > pituitary output of TSH and is not a direct measure of thyroid > hormone. > > The middle of the range for T3 is 3.25 and the middle of the range > for T4 is 1.3. This is just my opinion, but, I have yet to see one > single post in all the time I have been on this site and two others > with numbers similar to these, where the people said they feel well. > I have seen tons of labs posted with T3 below the midrange and T4 is > usually near the bottom. None of these people feel right. You have > lots of room to go up and will still be in the " Normal " range. Just > a small amount more thyroid might make all the difference. > > If you feel the thyroid replacement is not right, then stick to your > convictions. It will not hurt one bit to try out higher replacement > and find out if it makes a difference. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks Tish: I actually started all my new search for answers because I want him off the meds. Eileen > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: NaturalThyroidHormones >Subject: Re: Test Results/need to vent >Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:22:50 -0000 > > >There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has >found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well >treated by medications can have major improvements or go off >medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3. If you >would like to contact someone who knows about this, go to this >interview with Dr. Don and at the bottom is his email. He usually >will answer in about a week. He's a nice man, but busy sometimes. > >http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/docdon.htm >Tish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks Tish: I actually started all my new search for answers because I want him off the meds. Eileen > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: NaturalThyroidHormones >Subject: Re: Test Results/need to vent >Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:22:50 -0000 > > >There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has >found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well >treated by medications can have major improvements or go off >medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3. If you >would like to contact someone who knows about this, go to this >interview with Dr. Don and at the bottom is his email. He usually >will answer in about a week. He's a nice man, but busy sometimes. > >http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/docdon.htm >Tish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Thanks Tish: I actually started all my new search for answers because I want him off the meds. Eileen > >Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones >To: NaturalThyroidHormones >Subject: Re: Test Results/need to vent >Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:22:50 -0000 > > >There is actually lots anecdotal evidence and some research that has >found that people with psychiatric disorders that are not well >treated by medications can have major improvements or go off >medications by the simple addition of the thyroid hormone T3. If you >would like to contact someone who knows about this, go to this >interview with Dr. Don and at the bottom is his email. He usually >will answer in about a week. He's a nice man, but busy sometimes. > >http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/docdon.htm >Tish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Janie, in my limited but increasing experience with autism and my sister hypothyroid moms, my feeling is that autism/mercury poisoning is presumptive for hypothyroid. Like a symptom de la symptom like myxedema coma. Over and over, entire support groups of parents (with kids with ADD, NLD, Asperger's, High Functioning Autism) have histories of thyroid problems (some of us had " hyPER " during difficult pregnancies). I've been spending 8-20 hrs/ day for well over 2 years that, I remember, researching the biomed aspects like this. There is a strong correlation and there is a substantial paper-trail in the literature that supports " auto-immune " moms, low thyroid, low iodine (bromine/flourine overload), low selenium, iron-overload (I know, this one is very counter-intuitive!!)Lyme, and vaccine injury (mercury poisoning with persistent viral infection), retrovirus infx (CMV, EBV, HHV 4or 6, & another family of viruses I can't recall, here)oh, and early cord-clamping birth injury(this one is truly amazing!) I'm still at my folks banging on mom's toy computer so abtracts are not here. A dear researcher-mom-friend is bringing out her book later this year and this past winter I gave her the connection to iodine (bromine/florine) which is has been hidden in plain sight. Eileen, piece by piece you are getting 's labs and you will find a way to get him the help he needs to recover. I'm working on getting EJ's labs after I feel a little steadier, then I'll treat her myself if I have to. I'm sorry that in NY and here in CA they AMA lobby has such a choke-hold on us! We may have to take detours but we will not be stopped from helping our kiddos! .... > Is there any family history of thyroid problems?? > > Janie > > > Hi Ladies: Well the results from the conventional endo came back > and > > they are as follows: > > > > Free T3 3.17 Range 2.30-4.20 > > Free T4 1.0 0.8-1.8 > > TSH .82 Range .7-6.4 > > > > Ok so she tells me his tyroid is normal. THat she feels that his > > symptoms of thyroid are due to his medications (risperdal and > > trileptal) and his UNDERLYING condition (autism) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Eileen, Have you ever had your son tested for toxic metals? Mineral imbalances can cause rages. See http://www.ithyroid.com/autism.htm Lynn I actually started all my new search for answers because I > want him off the meds. Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Eileen, Have you ever had your son tested for toxic metals? Mineral imbalances can cause rages. See http://www.ithyroid.com/autism.htm Lynn I actually started all my new search for answers because I > want him off the meds. Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Eileen, Have you ever had your son tested for toxic metals? Mineral imbalances can cause rages. See http://www.ithyroid.com/autism.htm Lynn I actually started all my new search for answers because I > want him off the meds. Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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