Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I was thinking about the part of Cindy's post about Colleen where she remembers her grandmother and how much one's will to live plays a role in disease outcomes. I've heard that said again and again and I think it makes sense that those who " give up " on life are less likely to survive. But I also think that there are probably lots of optistic life- loving people who still die because the disease is too strong for them to will away. I am sure that Colleen wanted to live. She seemed very optimistic, and she had two kids for goodness sake! Yet that didn't help her in the end. There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth > > Health is not always the deciding factor....when a > person has will and determination to survive, they do > tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my > family have shown me that over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I didn't delete any of your post because I couldn't figure out what to delete, it all applied. I agreed so much with it. I have always been up beat about all of this, but right now I am struggling. The recent posts about COllen made me think about my father, who past very quickly from cancer. I believe he chose to pass to prevent us from seeing him suffer. He waited till we all got to the hospital after he had a stroke, the doctor came in and said it would be days or longer before his time would come and when we went to get somethin gto eat he left this world. I truly believe he chose to go that way. I don't feel cheated or anything, maybe some people feel it is better not to fight if they know their family is okay with the process and don't ant them to suffer, I don't know, it's all very confussing. There is a lot of sadness along with a lot of good times with this disease. I am finding it hard to stay positive right now so I am glad to know some one else is too. Dawn > > > > Health is not always the deciding factor....when a > > person has will and determination to survive, they do > > tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my > > family have shown me that over and over again. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ruth and Dawn, Don't feel guilty about having questions. I believe having a positive attitude plays a part but it is not the most important part, otherwise someone could just will them selves to live for ever and that doesn't happen. We all die when our time comes. I pray that my life will glorify God and that when my time comes my death will further God's kingdom. Ian (52) PSC 89 I was thinking about the part of Cindy's post about Colleen where she remembers her grandmother and how much one's will to live plays a role in disease outcomes. I've heard that said again and again and I think it makes sense that those who " give up " on life are less likely to survive. But I also think that there are probably lots of optistic life-loving people who still die because the disease is too strong for them to will away. I am sure that Colleen wanted to live. She seemed very optimistic, and she had two kids for goodness sake! Yet that didn't help her in the end. There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. -- Ian Cribb P.Eng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ruth and Dawn, Don't feel guilty about having questions. I believe having a positive attitude plays a part but it is not the most important part, otherwise someone could just will them selves to live for ever and that doesn't happen. We all die when our time comes. I pray that my life will glorify God and that when my time comes my death will further God's kingdom. Ian (52) PSC 89 I was thinking about the part of Cindy's post about Colleen where she remembers her grandmother and how much one's will to live plays a role in disease outcomes. I've heard that said again and again and I think it makes sense that those who " give up " on life are less likely to survive. But I also think that there are probably lots of optistic life-loving people who still die because the disease is too strong for them to will away. I am sure that Colleen wanted to live. She seemed very optimistic, and she had two kids for goodness sake! Yet that didn't help her in the end. There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. -- Ian Cribb P.Eng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ruth and Dawn, Don't feel guilty about having questions. I believe having a positive attitude plays a part but it is not the most important part, otherwise someone could just will them selves to live for ever and that doesn't happen. We all die when our time comes. I pray that my life will glorify God and that when my time comes my death will further God's kingdom. Ian (52) PSC 89 I was thinking about the part of Cindy's post about Colleen where she remembers her grandmother and how much one's will to live plays a role in disease outcomes. I've heard that said again and again and I think it makes sense that those who " give up " on life are less likely to survive. But I also think that there are probably lots of optistic life-loving people who still die because the disease is too strong for them to will away. I am sure that Colleen wanted to live. She seemed very optimistic, and she had two kids for goodness sake! Yet that didn't help her in the end. There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. -- Ian Cribb P.Eng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I am also usually very optimitsic about this disease and all the issues that go with it. I was unusually down yesterday after reading about Colleens passing, it was a real huge reality check and being that my children are close to her age, it was too close for comfort. Anyway, my family was concerned about my being upset and I felt I couldn't really talk about my fears and what I am scared about, I was a little upset that I felt I had to remain positive when I just wanted the day to mope and feel sorry for my self and everyone going through the crap we go through! There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns without sounding or being pessimistic or too negative. Well, just my thoughts Sands UC 2002, PSC 11/07 Subject: A ThoughtTo: Date There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I am also usually very optimitsic about this disease and all the issues that go with it. I was unusually down yesterday after reading about Colleens passing, it was a real huge reality check and being that my children are close to her age, it was too close for comfort. Anyway, my family was concerned about my being upset and I felt I couldn't really talk about my fears and what I am scared about, I was a little upset that I felt I had to remain positive when I just wanted the day to mope and feel sorry for my self and everyone going through the crap we go through! There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns without sounding or being pessimistic or too negative. Well, just my thoughts Sands UC 2002, PSC 11/07 Subject: A ThoughtTo: Date There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I am also usually very optimitsic about this disease and all the issues that go with it. I was unusually down yesterday after reading about Colleens passing, it was a real huge reality check and being that my children are close to her age, it was too close for comfort. Anyway, my family was concerned about my being upset and I felt I couldn't really talk about my fears and what I am scared about, I was a little upset that I felt I had to remain positive when I just wanted the day to mope and feel sorry for my self and everyone going through the crap we go through! There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns without sounding or being pessimistic or too negative. Well, just my thoughts Sands UC 2002, PSC 11/07 Subject: A ThoughtTo: Date There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 That's part of the use of this group. You can dump on us! We understand. Colleens passing was such a shock since her last update from her Carepage was so upbeat. Ian I am also usually very optimitsic about this disease and all the issues that go with it. I was unusually down yesterday after reading about Colleens passing, it was a real huge reality check and being that my children are close to her age, it was too close for comfort. Anyway, my family was concerned about my being upset and I felt I couldn't really talk about my fears and what I am scared about, I was a little upset that I felt I had to remain positive when I just wanted the day to mope and feel sorry for my self and everyone going through the crap we go through! There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns without sounding or being pessimistic or too negative. Well, just my thoughts Sands UC 2002, PSC 11/07 Subject: A Thought To: Date There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. -- Ian Cribb P.Eng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 That's part of the use of this group. You can dump on us! We understand. Colleens passing was such a shock since her last update from her Carepage was so upbeat. Ian I am also usually very optimitsic about this disease and all the issues that go with it. I was unusually down yesterday after reading about Colleens passing, it was a real huge reality check and being that my children are close to her age, it was too close for comfort. Anyway, my family was concerned about my being upset and I felt I couldn't really talk about my fears and what I am scared about, I was a little upset that I felt I had to remain positive when I just wanted the day to mope and feel sorry for my self and everyone going through the crap we go through! There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns without sounding or being pessimistic or too negative. Well, just my thoughts Sands UC 2002, PSC 11/07 Subject: A Thought To: Date There are so many books out there about how the patient's attitude matters, and sometimes it makes me feel this additional burden. Like on top of having to run a household, pursue my career, raise my wonderful two children, be a loving wife to my husband, monitoring my health and doing what's right, rejuvinating so that I don't get burned out... On top of all that, I need to maintain optimism about everything or else. I'm a generally optimistic person. Everyone who knows about my PSC and UC issues and my recent colectomy keeps saying that my positive attitude is amazing. And it has helped me cope that I have perspective about the good things, that I can find little moments of joy and humor and that I think a lot about living a meaningful life. But sometimes I feel trapped in that optimism, because it doesn't leave room for expressing the fears and doubts and emotional exhaustion and disgust and pain that I feel. I want to express those things, they are very real to me! And I don't want on top of everything I'm trying to do to feel this pressure that my fate depends on keeping the upbeat mood. I feel like this is coming out all strange - positivity is good and taking your health and fortune into your own hands is good. But there is always this other aspect of that message that feels like a burden to me. Like if I do die, it's somehow my fault, that I wasn't resilient enough. Because look at all these resilient people who beat the odds and lived on despite what all the doctors thought. Lately I've been remembering my surgery, which was almost exactly one year ago. And strangely I remember how good it felt in the pre-op hours. I kind of miss it, and what I miss about it was that I didn't have to do anything, nothing was up to me. I was completely taken care of, and I felt like I was in good hands. I don't think I've had that wonderful feeling since I was a child. And it was great not to feel the burden of responsiblity. It can be so tiring to navigate your ship all the time. (Of course post-op wasn't so fun). I wanted to share this thought and see what you all think. Ruth>> Health is not always the deciding factor....when a> person has will and determination to survive, they do> tend to hang in there much longer. Members of my> family have shown me that over and over again. -- Ian Cribb P.Eng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Oh gosh! I certainly do not mean to say that you can will away death. Just that attitude and will to survive can take you a long way. When both my mom and dad 'gave up, resigned, indicated they were tired and ready to go, that inner spark that helped them fight when odds were against them dissappeared. My brother 'died' 30 times in his last 2 years of life. They would call us in and tell us to say good bye. He had kidney, heart, lung and colon problems. He was operating on 1/10 of a heart...and coded so many times....but he wanted to life and we would laugh at the doctors when they told us he was in his last minutes. We would just say, 'Ahh, not until he says he is. " And each and every time he came back, out of coma's, out of heart failure, out of kidney stuff...so it was a joke with us. I would always ask him if when he was in the 'dead' zone whether he was getting any offers or saw light or anything...and he would say, no, no offers...but he did say that he could hear us talking and he said he would wiggle his toe in a sign to tell us he was still fighting. So when he wasn't able to talk, we would still ask him if he was still fighting and his toes would wiggle. He did die about 4 years ago, but not until he made peace with his daughter. Then he told the nurse he was ready to go...and she was going to call everybody up to the hospital and he told her no, he wanted to go without anybody there. The nurse called us anyway, but he did die before any of us arrived at the hospital. Cindy Baudoux-Northrup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Oh gosh! I certainly do not mean to say that you can will away death. Just that attitude and will to survive can take you a long way. When both my mom and dad 'gave up, resigned, indicated they were tired and ready to go, that inner spark that helped them fight when odds were against them dissappeared. My brother 'died' 30 times in his last 2 years of life. They would call us in and tell us to say good bye. He had kidney, heart, lung and colon problems. He was operating on 1/10 of a heart...and coded so many times....but he wanted to life and we would laugh at the doctors when they told us he was in his last minutes. We would just say, 'Ahh, not until he says he is. " And each and every time he came back, out of coma's, out of heart failure, out of kidney stuff...so it was a joke with us. I would always ask him if when he was in the 'dead' zone whether he was getting any offers or saw light or anything...and he would say, no, no offers...but he did say that he could hear us talking and he said he would wiggle his toe in a sign to tell us he was still fighting. So when he wasn't able to talk, we would still ask him if he was still fighting and his toes would wiggle. He did die about 4 years ago, but not until he made peace with his daughter. Then he told the nurse he was ready to go...and she was going to call everybody up to the hospital and he told her no, he wanted to go without anybody there. The nurse called us anyway, but he did die before any of us arrived at the hospital. Cindy Baudoux-Northrup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 -----Original Message----- There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns IMHO, exactly why our posts should remain private, here in this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 -----Original Message----- There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns IMHO, exactly why our posts should remain private, here in this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 -----Original Message----- There has to be a time and place to express our doubts, fears, and concerns IMHO, exactly why our posts should remain private, here in this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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