Re: Does anyones' knees hurt?

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:23:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,

betty_flager@... writes:

>

>

> I have been having trouble with my knees hurting. Maybe arthritis or

> is it from hypothyroidism? It feels like my thighs are aching too.

>

i read a study at pubmed the other day called " hashimoto's thyroiditis

presenting as bilateral knee arthropathy " . my mother had severe knee pain too.

this is a hypo thing....and this study says it is completely reversible with

adequate thyroid replacement hormone. It also says:

Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a sluggish bulge

sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever that means).

It also says early diagnosis and treatment of hypo by primary care

physicians, can prevent patients from developing polyarthritis which is

assciated with

hypo.

duh.

cindi

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:35:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

betty_flager@... writes:

> So, does that mean that you can develop permanent polyarthritis?

>

>

i suppose that means that if ya go untreated too long...you develop permanent

damage along these lines. ...polyarthritis.

cindi

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:35:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

betty_flager@... writes:

> So, does that mean that you can develop permanent polyarthritis?

>

>

i suppose that means that if ya go untreated too long...you develop permanent

damage along these lines. ...polyarthritis.

cindi

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:35:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

betty_flager@... writes:

> So, does that mean that you can develop permanent polyarthritis?

>

>

i suppose that means that if ya go untreated too long...you develop permanent

damage along these lines. ...polyarthritis.

cindi

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 10:53:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

SKBliesath@... writes:

> I

> find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from that,

> and me occasionally

my mother had knee surgery for this about 2-3 years before she died. i don't

think it helped her, however. she'd had the knee joint pain since her 30s

and died early 60s. autopsy was undiagnosed hashi's - so i'm sure that her

lifetime knee pain was hypo...as was the TMJ surgery she had.

I had knee pain in the right knee for years and years too...and it is no more

since i started armour.

cindi

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In a message dated 3/13/2005 1:14:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,

SKBliesath@... writes:

> But the

> stress of the last 6 years is taking its toll and it is time to dig a

> little deeper. Now to get them to subscribe . . .

sometimes its hard to get friends/family to believe you when you tell them

they are hypo. i do think hypos quickly recognize it in others. but i have one

friend who is a walking poster child for hypo and even has another autoimmune

disease (sjorgren's) and i can not even get her to ask for antibodies testing

for hashi's - her TSH is about 3 and her Free levels were so low. but of

course her trusted (gag) doctor tells her that is normal.

so it's hard...all we can do is try a few times...but they often don't

believe us.

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/13/2005 1:14:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,

SKBliesath@... writes:

> But the

> stress of the last 6 years is taking its toll and it is time to dig a

> little deeper. Now to get them to subscribe . . .

sometimes its hard to get friends/family to believe you when you tell them

they are hypo. i do think hypos quickly recognize it in others. but i have one

friend who is a walking poster child for hypo and even has another autoimmune

disease (sjorgren's) and i can not even get her to ask for antibodies testing

for hashi's - her TSH is about 3 and her Free levels were so low. but of

course her trusted (gag) doctor tells her that is normal.

so it's hard...all we can do is try a few times...but they often don't

believe us.

cindi

[Guest guest]

Betty this is one of the classic symptoms many of us have from hypo. My knees

and legs in general used to hurt so badly I thought I would be in a wheelchair

in another year but that was 5 years ago before I got my Armour dosage up close

to where it needs to be.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

Betty this is one of the classic symptoms many of us have from hypo. My knees

and legs in general used to hurt so badly I thought I would be in a wheelchair

in another year but that was 5 years ago before I got my Armour dosage up close

to where it needs to be.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

Betty this is one of the classic symptoms many of us have from hypo. My knees

and legs in general used to hurt so badly I thought I would be in a wheelchair

in another year but that was 5 years ago before I got my Armour dosage up close

to where it needs to be.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

--Okay thanks, I was getting little worried. I upped my dose and

just have to be patient because it takes time. That darn radioactive

iodine is doing it's job on me. Heee!!

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " "

wrote:

> Betty this is one of the classic symptoms many of us have from

hypo. My knees and legs in general used to hurt so badly I thought I

would be in a wheelchair in another year but that was 5 years ago

before I got my Armour dosage up close to where it needs to be.

>

> Artistic Grooming

> Hurricane, West Virginia

>

>

[Guest guest]

--Okay thanks, I was getting little worried. I upped my dose and

just have to be patient because it takes time. That darn radioactive

iodine is doing it's job on me. Heee!!

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " "

wrote:

> Betty this is one of the classic symptoms many of us have from

hypo. My knees and legs in general used to hurt so badly I thought I

would be in a wheelchair in another year but that was 5 years ago

before I got my Armour dosage up close to where it needs to be.

>

> Artistic Grooming

> Hurricane, West Virginia

>

>

[Guest guest]

--Okay thanks, I was getting little worried. I upped my dose and

just have to be patient because it takes time. That darn radioactive

iodine is doing it's job on me. Heee!!

- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " "

wrote:

> Betty this is one of the classic symptoms many of us have from

hypo. My knees and legs in general used to hurt so badly I thought I

would be in a wheelchair in another year but that was 5 years ago

before I got my Armour dosage up close to where it needs to be.

>

> Artistic Grooming

> Hurricane, West Virginia

>

>

[Guest guest]

>It also says:

>Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a sluggish bulge

>sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever that means).

Synovial fluid is kinda like lubrication for your joints. Your body makes it,

it helps your kneecap slide over the bones underneath. If it's " highly viscous "

it's too thick and " sticky " to work well. Makes sense in hypothyroidism.

Laurie

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>It also says:

>Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a sluggish bulge

>sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever that means).

Synovial fluid is kinda like lubrication for your joints. Your body makes it,

it helps your kneecap slide over the bones underneath. If it's " highly viscous "

it's too thick and " sticky " to work well. Makes sense in hypothyroidism.

Laurie

[Guest guest]

>>Wow that is interesting. So, does that mean that you can develop permanent

polyarthritis?<<

I don't think it is permanent as mine were in pain for about 12 years and really

BAD pain for the last 3 years, I mean crippling and where my knees crunched all

the time and mine is GONE. Completely. I also work standing on my feet all day

and am very overweight so they had no help healing except the Armour!

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

As long as there is blood supply to the knee arithritis is reversible

according to Dr. Wallach I believe. LOL I have so many alternative guys

running around in my head they sometimes crash into one another.

Especially now when I am having problems keeping everything straight. I

find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from that,

and me occasionally. But then I take CMK and that sends it packing. I just

thought it was because I am carrying around extra weight and my mineral

needs increased. Since the CMK works . . . but then how long will it

continue to work?

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Wow that is interesting. So, does that mean that you can develop permanent

polyarthritis?

nc2406@... wrote:In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:23:29 AM Eastern

Standard Time,

betty_flager@... writes:

>

Sheila Bliesath

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[Guest guest]

my maternal grandmother always complained about knee pain, said it was

rheumatism or arthritis. My mother too complained but she thought hers was

caused by varicous veins

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: Does anyones' knees hurt?

my mother had knee surgery for this about 2-3 years before she died. i don't

think it helped her, however. she'd had the knee joint pain since her 30s

and died early 60s. autopsy was undiagnosed hashi's - so i'm sure that her

lifetime knee pain was hypo...as was the TMJ surgery she had.

I had knee pain in the right knee for years and years too...and it is no more

since i started armour.

cindi

[Guest guest]

TMJ that is another thing I have had some problems with in the past! It used to

embarrass me so badly to eat out as my jaw cracked so loudly everyone could hear

it! I only had pain a few time s in it but I imagine had I gone hypo much longer

that would have become a problem too.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

What is CMK?

Sheila Bliesath SKBliesath@...> wrote:As long as there is blood supply to

the knee arithritis is reversible

according to Dr. Wallach I believe. LOL I have so many alternative guys

running around in my head they sometimes crash into one another.

Especially now when I am having problems keeping everything straight. I

find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from that,

and me occasionally. But then I take CMK and that sends it packing. I just

thought it was because I am carrying around extra weight and my mineral

needs increased. Since the CMK works . . . but then how long will it

continue to work?

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Wow that is interesting. So, does that mean that you can develop permanent

polyarthritis?

nc2406@... wrote:In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:23:29 AM Eastern

Standard Time,

betty_flager@... writes:

>

Sheila Bliesath

StarGate Travel

Phone:

For more information on travel or becoming an agent

info@...

[Guest guest]

What is CMK?

Sheila Bliesath SKBliesath@...> wrote:As long as there is blood supply to

the knee arithritis is reversible

according to Dr. Wallach I believe. LOL I have so many alternative guys

running around in my head they sometimes crash into one another.

Especially now when I am having problems keeping everything straight. I

find the knee pain thing very interesting as my father suffered from that,

and me occasionally. But then I take CMK and that sends it packing. I just

thought it was because I am carrying around extra weight and my mineral

needs increased. Since the CMK works . . . but then how long will it

continue to work?

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Wow that is interesting. So, does that mean that you can develop permanent

polyarthritis?

nc2406@... wrote:In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:23:29 AM Eastern

Standard Time,

betty_flager@... writes:

>

Sheila Bliesath

StarGate Travel

Phone:

For more information on travel or becoming an agent

info@...

[Guest guest]

Another " aha " moment....when I was in my early 20's I was diagnosed

with condral malasia, a condition in which the knee cap rubs against

the bones underneath, creating pain, swelling and increased fluid.

I had fluid removed from my right knee a few times. Since then, my

knee often cracks and crunches whenever I bend....and there has

always been a bulge on the side of the right knee that isn't on the

other knee. Since taking armour, the swelling has gone down...and

not until it was mentioned here....did I notice that since taking

armour the knee hasn't crunched and cracked nearly as much. I had

never even thought that my knee problem could be thyroid related.

Now that I think about it, though, the knee problem started right

after a doctor said I no longer needed synthriod and took me off of

it.

-Anne

> In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:23:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> betty_flager@y... writes:

>

> >

> >

> > I have been having trouble with my knees hurting. Maybe

arthritis or

> > is it from hypothyroidism? It feels like my thighs are aching

too.

> >

>

> i read a study at pubmed the other day called " hashimoto's

thyroiditis

> presenting as bilateral knee arthropathy " . my mother had severe

knee pain too.

> this is a hypo thing....and this study says it is completely

reversible with

> adequate thyroid replacement hormone. It also says:

> Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a

sluggish bulge

> sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever

that means).

> It also says early diagnosis and treatment of hypo by primary care

> physicians, can prevent patients from developing polyarthritis

which is assciated with

> hypo.

>

> duh.

> cindi

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Another " aha " moment....when I was in my early 20's I was diagnosed

with condral malasia, a condition in which the knee cap rubs against

the bones underneath, creating pain, swelling and increased fluid.

I had fluid removed from my right knee a few times. Since then, my

knee often cracks and crunches whenever I bend....and there has

always been a bulge on the side of the right knee that isn't on the

other knee. Since taking armour, the swelling has gone down...and

not until it was mentioned here....did I notice that since taking

armour the knee hasn't crunched and cracked nearly as much. I had

never even thought that my knee problem could be thyroid related.

Now that I think about it, though, the knee problem started right

after a doctor said I no longer needed synthriod and took me off of

it.

-Anne

> In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:23:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> betty_flager@y... writes:

>

> >

> >

> > I have been having trouble with my knees hurting. Maybe

arthritis or

> > is it from hypothyroidism? It feels like my thighs are aching

too.

> >

>

> i read a study at pubmed the other day called " hashimoto's

thyroiditis

> presenting as bilateral knee arthropathy " . my mother had severe

knee pain too.

> this is a hypo thing....and this study says it is completely

reversible with

> adequate thyroid replacement hormone. It also says:

> Kneww effusions are a common sign in hypothyroidism with a

sluggish bulge

> sign, which is due to highly viscous synovial fluid. (whatever

that means).

> It also says early diagnosis and treatment of hypo by primary care

> physicians, can prevent patients from developing polyarthritis

which is assciated with

> hypo.

>

> duh.

> cindi

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann, I also have those fluid bulges on the sides of my knees! They are smaller

now though and the one doctor that ever said anything about mine said it was

from vericose veins. That was when my legs were swelling horribly and PAINFUL

all the time. I was actually lifting my legs in & out of the car as it hurt too

much to lift them on their own. Thank GOD that symptom was juts a hypo symptom

that is now gone. On a good day I can even get on my knees to clean bottom

cupboards and floors! I thought those days were gone about 5-6 years ago.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

Ann, I also have those fluid bulges on the sides of my knees! They are smaller

now though and the one doctor that ever said anything about mine said it was

from vericose veins. That was when my legs were swelling horribly and PAINFUL

all the time. I was actually lifting my legs in & out of the car as it hurt too

much to lift them on their own. Thank GOD that symptom was juts a hypo symptom

that is now gone. On a good day I can even get on my knees to clean bottom

cupboards and floors! I thought those days were gone about 5-6 years ago.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia