spotting

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if anyone had advice about mid-cycle spotting. I

have had blood levels taken, and waiting for results, and going to

have saliva testing for hormones, including adrenal testing.

I don't know if this spotting is thyroid-related or not, though I

suspect it is. It has been going on for over a week and is

definitely not a period (it is right in the middle of my cycle and I

have not ovulated yet, although I always do eventually). Anyone have

ideas about what is going on and what to do? Also, my doctor said I

may do better with Armour + Synthroid combo, rather than just Armour

alone. What do you think? I am currently on 45mgs Armour daily; I

cut from 90mgs which was making me feel hyper, and TSH was nearly 0.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much, Nat. I am under 40 and I feel like I'm being

thrown into premature menopause because of this thyroid imbalance. I

will ask for the testing to include progesterone, as my doctor has

only requested estradiol and testosterone. I hope I don't need

hormone supplements, but if I do, I will only do natural, as

suggested.

>

> , the spotting is most likely due to the levels of estrogen

> and progesterone in your system. I know that spotting before your

> period is often a sign of low progesterone levels - and low

> progesterone is something that happens when you're hypothyroid.

>

> Getting your levels checked is the best thing you could do -

you'll

> know for sure what the issue is.

[Guest guest]

, I had mid-cycle spotting for years, tried progesterone,

etc. The only thing that got rid of it was normalizing my thyroid.

I agree it is a good idea to check female hormone levels and

supplement as needed, but don't underestimate the power of the

thyroid.

R.

>

> I was wondering if anyone had advice about mid-cycle spotting. I

> have had blood levels taken, and waiting for results, and going to

> have saliva testing for hormones, including adrenal testing.

>

> I don't know if this spotting is thyroid-related or not, though I

> suspect it is. It has been going on for over a week and is

> definitely not a period (it is right in the middle of my cycle and

I

> have not ovulated yet, although I always do eventually). Anyone

have

> ideas about what is going on and what to do? Also, my doctor said

I

> may do better with Armour + Synthroid combo, rather than just

Armour

> alone. What do you think? I am currently on 45mgs Armour daily; I

> cut from 90mgs which was making me feel hyper, and TSH was nearly

0.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

, I had mid-cycle spotting for years, tried progesterone,

etc. The only thing that got rid of it was normalizing my thyroid.

I agree it is a good idea to check female hormone levels and

supplement as needed, but don't underestimate the power of the

thyroid.

R.

>

> I was wondering if anyone had advice about mid-cycle spotting. I

> have had blood levels taken, and waiting for results, and going to

> have saliva testing for hormones, including adrenal testing.

>

> I don't know if this spotting is thyroid-related or not, though I

> suspect it is. It has been going on for over a week and is

> definitely not a period (it is right in the middle of my cycle and

I

> have not ovulated yet, although I always do eventually). Anyone

have

> ideas about what is going on and what to do? Also, my doctor said

I

> may do better with Armour + Synthroid combo, rather than just

Armour

> alone. What do you think? I am currently on 45mgs Armour daily; I

> cut from 90mgs which was making me feel hyper, and TSH was nearly

0.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

, I had mid-cycle spotting for years, tried progesterone,

etc. The only thing that got rid of it was normalizing my thyroid.

I agree it is a good idea to check female hormone levels and

supplement as needed, but don't underestimate the power of the

thyroid.

R.

>

> I was wondering if anyone had advice about mid-cycle spotting. I

> have had blood levels taken, and waiting for results, and going to

> have saliva testing for hormones, including adrenal testing.

>

> I don't know if this spotting is thyroid-related or not, though I

> suspect it is. It has been going on for over a week and is

> definitely not a period (it is right in the middle of my cycle and

I

> have not ovulated yet, although I always do eventually). Anyone

have

> ideas about what is going on and what to do? Also, my doctor said

I

> may do better with Armour + Synthroid combo, rather than just

Armour

> alone. What do you think? I am currently on 45mgs Armour daily; I

> cut from 90mgs which was making me feel hyper, and TSH was nearly

0.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

, once you've hit 35 things go down hill from there - I'm

only 38 so I know what you mean about not hitting menopause this

early. This isn't menopause, it's PRE menopause and it can happened

anywhere from 30 to 50. I'd suggest you get yourself a copy of Dr.

Lee's book " What your doctor may not tell you about

PREmenopause " - it will really help understand what's going on and

what youc an do to help fix things.

Nat

> >

> > , the spotting is most likely due to the levels of

estrogen

> > and progesterone in your system. I know that spotting before

your

> > period is often a sign of low progesterone levels - and low

> > progesterone is something that happens when you're hypothyroid.

> >

> > Getting your levels checked is the best thing you could do -

> you'll

> > know for sure what the issue is.

[Guest guest]

, once you've hit 35 things go down hill from there - I'm

only 38 so I know what you mean about not hitting menopause this

early. This isn't menopause, it's PRE menopause and it can happened

anywhere from 30 to 50. I'd suggest you get yourself a copy of Dr.

Lee's book " What your doctor may not tell you about

PREmenopause " - it will really help understand what's going on and

what youc an do to help fix things.

Nat

> >

> > , the spotting is most likely due to the levels of

estrogen

> > and progesterone in your system. I know that spotting before

your

> > period is often a sign of low progesterone levels - and low

> > progesterone is something that happens when you're hypothyroid.

> >

> > Getting your levels checked is the best thing you could do -

> you'll

> > know for sure what the issue is.

[Guest guest]

, once you've hit 35 things go down hill from there - I'm

only 38 so I know what you mean about not hitting menopause this

early. This isn't menopause, it's PRE menopause and it can happened

anywhere from 30 to 50. I'd suggest you get yourself a copy of Dr.

Lee's book " What your doctor may not tell you about

PREmenopause " - it will really help understand what's going on and

what youc an do to help fix things.

Nat

> >

> > , the spotting is most likely due to the levels of

estrogen

> > and progesterone in your system. I know that spotting before

your

> > period is often a sign of low progesterone levels - and low

> > progesterone is something that happens when you're hypothyroid.

> >

> > Getting your levels checked is the best thing you could do -

> you'll

> > know for sure what the issue is.

[Guest guest]

I used to have this sort of problem a lot in my old hypo days. I

would guess that you are having an estrogen out of ballance with

progesterone situation. Usually spotting is a sign that you did not

get a high enough rise in progesterone that is supposed to happen

right at around the mid part of your cycle.

Since you got hyper on such a tiny amount of Armour, this indicates

that you have adrenal fatigue or low cortisol. When the adrenals are

overly stressed from thyroid medication, they will sometimes deplete

progesterone to convert it to cortisol. Also, you clould be having a

lot of irratic adrenal behavior from the thyroid. This can lead to

hormone changes. If you have periods of high cortisol production,

this can cause increased production of estrogen. Also, adrenal

stress can really mess up your hormone cycle and make it not have

it's usual 12-14 days of estrogen cycle followed by about 12-14 days

of progesterone cycle. It can cause a drop in both hormones which

would trigger the body into thinking it's time for your period. And

lastly, your dose could be so small as to be causing you to become

more hypothyroid. For some yet not fully understood reason, low dose

thyroid replacement can turn off your own thyroid production system

and make you more hypothryoid. In this case, you will become

estrogen dominant and this will mess up your cycle.

But, since you seem to have adrenal problems or some other health

issue preventing you from being able to handle thyroid right now,

you will not be able to make thyroid raises very quickly if the

problem is that you have become a bit more hypo.

Things should get better with time.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I used to have this sort of problem a lot in my old hypo days. I

would guess that you are having an estrogen out of ballance with

progesterone situation. Usually spotting is a sign that you did not

get a high enough rise in progesterone that is supposed to happen

right at around the mid part of your cycle.

Since you got hyper on such a tiny amount of Armour, this indicates

that you have adrenal fatigue or low cortisol. When the adrenals are

overly stressed from thyroid medication, they will sometimes deplete

progesterone to convert it to cortisol. Also, you clould be having a

lot of irratic adrenal behavior from the thyroid. This can lead to

hormone changes. If you have periods of high cortisol production,

this can cause increased production of estrogen. Also, adrenal

stress can really mess up your hormone cycle and make it not have

it's usual 12-14 days of estrogen cycle followed by about 12-14 days

of progesterone cycle. It can cause a drop in both hormones which

would trigger the body into thinking it's time for your period. And

lastly, your dose could be so small as to be causing you to become

more hypothyroid. For some yet not fully understood reason, low dose

thyroid replacement can turn off your own thyroid production system

and make you more hypothryoid. In this case, you will become

estrogen dominant and this will mess up your cycle.

But, since you seem to have adrenal problems or some other health

issue preventing you from being able to handle thyroid right now,

you will not be able to make thyroid raises very quickly if the

problem is that you have become a bit more hypo.

Things should get better with time.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Dear Tish, Nat & R,

Thanks so much for your replies. It is a comfort at the least to

hear from you, and I appreciate your advice. I tend to agree with

you that this is thyroid-related, given the timing

simultaneous with my thyroid going haywire. And it may be

premenopause, but I would be reluctant to take hormones - hopefully

it will improve with time. I actually wound up getting my period

today after a week of spotting, and a week early; guessing that the

hormones are out of whack and can't sustain the lining. As for what

to do, I have had bloodwork done and will get saliva testing done,

but now have to wait because the instructions say to do the testing

5-7 days before the next cycle (not sure when that will technically

happen). Hopefully I will eventually reach stable, healthy thyroid

levels. Wondering if adding a little T4 (synthroid) to the Armour

may be more comfortable than Armour along - T3 can be a little too

stimulating. Anyone do better with this combo, or is it better to

use Armour alone?

>

> I used to have this sort of problem a lot in my old hypo days. I

> would guess that you are having an estrogen out of ballance with

> progesterone situation. Usually spotting is a sign that you did

not

> get a high enough rise in progesterone that is supposed to happen

> right at around the mid part of your cycle.

[Guest guest]

Dear Tish, Nat & R,

Thanks so much for your replies. It is a comfort at the least to

hear from you, and I appreciate your advice. I tend to agree with

you that this is thyroid-related, given the timing

simultaneous with my thyroid going haywire. And it may be

premenopause, but I would be reluctant to take hormones - hopefully

it will improve with time. I actually wound up getting my period

today after a week of spotting, and a week early; guessing that the

hormones are out of whack and can't sustain the lining. As for what

to do, I have had bloodwork done and will get saliva testing done,

but now have to wait because the instructions say to do the testing

5-7 days before the next cycle (not sure when that will technically

happen). Hopefully I will eventually reach stable, healthy thyroid

levels. Wondering if adding a little T4 (synthroid) to the Armour

may be more comfortable than Armour along - T3 can be a little too

stimulating. Anyone do better with this combo, or is it better to

use Armour alone?

>

> I used to have this sort of problem a lot in my old hypo days. I

> would guess that you are having an estrogen out of ballance with

> progesterone situation. Usually spotting is a sign that you did

not

> get a high enough rise in progesterone that is supposed to happen

> right at around the mid part of your cycle.

[Guest guest]

Dear Tish, Nat & R,

Thanks so much for your replies. It is a comfort at the least to

hear from you, and I appreciate your advice. I tend to agree with

you that this is thyroid-related, given the timing

simultaneous with my thyroid going haywire. And it may be

premenopause, but I would be reluctant to take hormones - hopefully

it will improve with time. I actually wound up getting my period

today after a week of spotting, and a week early; guessing that the

hormones are out of whack and can't sustain the lining. As for what

to do, I have had bloodwork done and will get saliva testing done,

but now have to wait because the instructions say to do the testing

5-7 days before the next cycle (not sure when that will technically

happen). Hopefully I will eventually reach stable, healthy thyroid

levels. Wondering if adding a little T4 (synthroid) to the Armour

may be more comfortable than Armour along - T3 can be a little too

stimulating. Anyone do better with this combo, or is it better to

use Armour alone?

>

> I used to have this sort of problem a lot in my old hypo days. I

> would guess that you are having an estrogen out of ballance with

> progesterone situation. Usually spotting is a sign that you did

not

> get a high enough rise in progesterone that is supposed to happen

> right at around the mid part of your cycle.

[Guest guest]

Most of us try to get optimized on just Armour before adding something else.

Less guess work! If you get to a dosage that feel pretty good, maybe a little

hypo still, and the next size up or another 15 MG makes you feel hyper it is

time to tweak the T4 or T3 levels. I recommend Free testing at that point. That

will tell you which you need to tweak. My last labs at 4.5 grains Armour showed

my Free T4 at mid range and my Free T3 at below range! My doctor said " Oh

they're fine " Yeah right! LOL SO I added in another 1/2 grain of Armour when

THAT didn't feel like quite enough I added in Cytomel. I started with 6.25mcg 2

times a day but was having definite slumps in my days still, though I felt real

good for about an hour after I took them till 4-5 hours later. The ups and downs

were not comfortable so I went to 4 X a day dosing where I have been for about a

year now. I am now up to 50mcg Cytomel with the 5 grains Armour and 1/2 grain

Time Caps Labs. Quite a combo huh? It is working except I am having a problem

with waking up at 4 AM, and being UP at that tie then I feel sleepy again around

7 AM when I need to be getting ready for my work day. SO I am adding in some

Phosphatidylserine, and already taking 150 MG 5-HTP, but that I will be stopping

soon as I run out as I am not seeing any benefit from it. I also take Selenium

100 MG, Sublingual B Trio of B6 5 MG, B-12 1000mcg, Folic Acid 400 mcg. And

1000MG Fish Oil, 200 MG DHEA and about 3/4 tsp. Progesterone cream daily and

Oestrogel a dime sized dab every 3 days. I had a complete hyst at 27 years old

so all semblance of a monthly rhythm is gone. I always had poor Estrogen since

the hyst but I feel it needed to be countered wit the Progesterone as I just

feel better without all the meno symptoms with both. No more bladder leakage (if

I stop the estrogen completely I have BAD leakage and night sweats) but I have

none of the moodiness that goes with hormone stuff. Maybe cause my thyroid is

happy!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Most of us try to get optimized on just Armour before adding something else.

Less guess work! If you get to a dosage that feel pretty good, maybe a little

hypo still, and the next size up or another 15 MG makes you feel hyper it is

time to tweak the T4 or T3 levels. I recommend Free testing at that point. That

will tell you which you need to tweak. My last labs at 4.5 grains Armour showed

my Free T4 at mid range and my Free T3 at below range! My doctor said " Oh

they're fine " Yeah right! LOL SO I added in another 1/2 grain of Armour when

THAT didn't feel like quite enough I added in Cytomel. I started with 6.25mcg 2

times a day but was having definite slumps in my days still, though I felt real

good for about an hour after I took them till 4-5 hours later. The ups and downs

were not comfortable so I went to 4 X a day dosing where I have been for about a

year now. I am now up to 50mcg Cytomel with the 5 grains Armour and 1/2 grain

Time Caps Labs. Quite a combo huh? It is working except I am having a problem

with waking up at 4 AM, and being UP at that tie then I feel sleepy again around

7 AM when I need to be getting ready for my work day. SO I am adding in some

Phosphatidylserine, and already taking 150 MG 5-HTP, but that I will be stopping

soon as I run out as I am not seeing any benefit from it. I also take Selenium

100 MG, Sublingual B Trio of B6 5 MG, B-12 1000mcg, Folic Acid 400 mcg. And

1000MG Fish Oil, 200 MG DHEA and about 3/4 tsp. Progesterone cream daily and

Oestrogel a dime sized dab every 3 days. I had a complete hyst at 27 years old

so all semblance of a monthly rhythm is gone. I always had poor Estrogen since

the hyst but I feel it needed to be countered wit the Progesterone as I just

feel better without all the meno symptoms with both. No more bladder leakage (if

I stop the estrogen completely I have BAD leakage and night sweats) but I have

none of the moodiness that goes with hormone stuff. Maybe cause my thyroid is

happy!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Most of us try to get optimized on just Armour before adding something else.

Less guess work! If you get to a dosage that feel pretty good, maybe a little

hypo still, and the next size up or another 15 MG makes you feel hyper it is

time to tweak the T4 or T3 levels. I recommend Free testing at that point. That

will tell you which you need to tweak. My last labs at 4.5 grains Armour showed

my Free T4 at mid range and my Free T3 at below range! My doctor said " Oh

they're fine " Yeah right! LOL SO I added in another 1/2 grain of Armour when

THAT didn't feel like quite enough I added in Cytomel. I started with 6.25mcg 2

times a day but was having definite slumps in my days still, though I felt real

good for about an hour after I took them till 4-5 hours later. The ups and downs

were not comfortable so I went to 4 X a day dosing where I have been for about a

year now. I am now up to 50mcg Cytomel with the 5 grains Armour and 1/2 grain

Time Caps Labs. Quite a combo huh? It is working except I am having a problem

with waking up at 4 AM, and being UP at that tie then I feel sleepy again around

7 AM when I need to be getting ready for my work day. SO I am adding in some

Phosphatidylserine, and already taking 150 MG 5-HTP, but that I will be stopping

soon as I run out as I am not seeing any benefit from it. I also take Selenium

100 MG, Sublingual B Trio of B6 5 MG, B-12 1000mcg, Folic Acid 400 mcg. And

1000MG Fish Oil, 200 MG DHEA and about 3/4 tsp. Progesterone cream daily and

Oestrogel a dime sized dab every 3 days. I had a complete hyst at 27 years old

so all semblance of a monthly rhythm is gone. I always had poor Estrogen since

the hyst but I feel it needed to be countered wit the Progesterone as I just

feel better without all the meno symptoms with both. No more bladder leakage (if

I stop the estrogen completely I have BAD leakage and night sweats) but I have

none of the moodiness that goes with hormone stuff. Maybe cause my thyroid is

happy!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

, it is likely related to your thyroid, however don't

discount the need for a little progesterone cream - it can literally

make your life a lot easier and more enjoyable.

Spotting pre TOM is a sign progesterone is too low. Being hypoT

makes it more likely that progesterone will be low; just fixing your

thyroid doesn't mean everything else will come back in line;

especially if you're over the age of 30, when things naturally start

to wind down.

Being reluctant to take hormones when you need them can really

effect the quality of your life; look at what that would mean for

someone who needed t4 and t3? Just be sure you don't let anyone

talk you into synthetic estrogen or progseterone - these are poison

to your body and will make things WORSE in the long run.

Nat

> >

> > I used to have this sort of problem a lot in my old hypo days. I

> > would guess that you are having an estrogen out of ballance with

> > progesterone situation. Usually spotting is a sign that you did

> not

> > get a high enough rise in progesterone that is supposed to

happen

> > right at around the mid part of your cycle.

[Guest guest]

, it is likely related to your thyroid, however don't

discount the need for a little progesterone cream - it can literally

make your life a lot easier and more enjoyable.

Spotting pre TOM is a sign progesterone is too low. Being hypoT

makes it more likely that progesterone will be low; just fixing your

thyroid doesn't mean everything else will come back in line;

especially if you're over the age of 30, when things naturally start

to wind down.

Being reluctant to take hormones when you need them can really

effect the quality of your life; look at what that would mean for

someone who needed t4 and t3? Just be sure you don't let anyone

talk you into synthetic estrogen or progseterone - these are poison

to your body and will make things WORSE in the long run.

Nat

> >

> > I used to have this sort of problem a lot in my old hypo days. I

> > would guess that you are having an estrogen out of ballance with

> > progesterone situation. Usually spotting is a sign that you did

> not

> > get a high enough rise in progesterone that is supposed to

happen

> > right at around the mid part of your cycle.