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I too am having left arm pain and mine was very severe for about 6

months but now it is not quite as painful. I had several doctors look

at it, and dx. tennis elbow but I'm sure it's coming from the fibro,

and one doctor even said it was. Try the heating pad at night, it

helps some. I too worked as a nurse but had to give it up.

I find that elavil works good at night and my doctor prescribed

Relafen also. When you described your pain, I knew exactly what you

were talking about. So I suppose it's a fibro thing, but if you had

surgery on the same arm (I'm just guessing) I wonder if the doctor

messed something up? You never know.

> Hi again,

>

> It has been quite a while since I shared my life with y'all But

there are very simplye reasons:

>

> 1. Terible fatigue

> 2 difficulty with typing - loss of coordination has caused me not

to be able to write or type without alot of typos. (and for some

reason, this mail server does not have a spell check!!!

> 3. Trying to get ADL questionaire completed.

> 4. The last time I shared I was critized and terribly hurt by one

person who more or less told me that I expected too much from my

doctors- like I demanded the attention of not only the doctors but

every one in their office. I should not be complaining (espically

about the doctors) , that I complain too much and I expect too much

from my doctors and to get over it and get a life.

>

> I thought these forums were places where we who are in constant

pain and have all these problems can safely come and vent and cry

with each other without critism ect. I warn people with the subject

that it is long and everyione had a delete key. If I am wrong, this

post will tell me and if understanding IS here I know I am the right

place, but I can't stand the demeaning and critical comments .

>

> first thing is the new diagnosis =- i finally get into the

rheumotologist. while we were sitting in the car before we went into

his office- I had the worst Left upper arm pain - this one went from

the ewntire shoulder joint to my upper arm, I sdcreamed -almost

dropped a can of pepsi I had and then just sat there and cried

waiting for the severe pain to go away so I could walk in.

>

> I got into see the doc and we reviwed the surgery history - and

even then he stoped and said that I could have fibro - just from all

that I have already been thriough.

>

> He then asked where I felt the pain and some other questions- he

then checked my reflexes and finally checked for the tender points. I

guess I really didn't realze how much pressure someone has to exert

to check the tender points. But bottom line- I understand that to be

diagnosed a patient has to have 11 of the 18 tender points positive.

He told me that I had ALL 18 tender points positive. He then told me

that the fibro was caused by all the pain and stress that I have been

under.

>

> He changed the anti-depressant given me by the GP (celexa) to

elavil to see if it would help me sleep ( and if that didn't help he

suggested a psychiaty visit for a possible sleep disorder, But the

Elavil has helped. He then added Naprosyn 500mg.

>

> I did not think the Naprosyn was working until I ran out and it was

about a week before we could get it refilled. This week - all my

joints have hurt so bad!

>

> I then saw 2 new orthopedics(same group) who I hoped would find out

what was causing my severe L upper arm pain spasms.(and be a second

opinion on what the ist ortho docs did) Boy, was I wrong. The doc who

did joints- according to him the problem was in my neck- end of

story.

>

> The second guy was just a jerk- when he ask what was wrong, I

started telling him that I had severe left upper arm pain, neck pain

and back pain- he interupped me and told me he only had time to take

care of only one of my problems. The scar from the rotator cuff

surgery look very abnormal and I asked him to look at it and see

what I should do-( when I raise my arm the scar is drawn down into

the arm - the scar is also turing into a keloid)His response " well it

look like the surgeon wanted to sew it together like that. " He looked

at one of the films(I brought 3 different sets of films) and then

arogantly told me " You don't need surgery and I don't treat anyone

unless I can operate on them ($$) so I am not going to waste my time

on you " (what an ass)

>

> My next appointment was with my PM doc and we ganged up on her- my

husband came with me since we wanted answers. I share with her about

the fibro, but she was mumbling something about how maybe I could

have had the fibro before all mu orthopedic problems occured and this

made the pain from the ortho problems worse and now it is why I am in

so much pain now which is still not under control. (this does not

make sense since before the 1 st surgery, I was working 8-12 shifts

in L&d as well as some supervisory responsibilities- I am a

Registered Nurse.) I know that she and the ortho doc who referred me

have been in contact with each other. But this sounds like she is

trying to blame the fibro for all my pain problems before the

orthopedic surgeries and after???????????

>

> We then started talking about the arm problems and what can be

done, I also told her about the neck burning.She asked about other

orthos and I reminded her what happened and she responded " oh yes- I

have asked several ortho to see you and they have all refused because

you have had surgery. " We asked her about acupuncture as a treatmnet

fo my painand she told me that was a bad time to cinsider this since

her acuouncture doc quit working with her.

>

> She then decided to order MRI of the shoulder, upper arm and

bracial plexus. These were with and without contract - something that

would take at least 3 hours. Since she wanted the closed MRI, I had

to be sedated because I am clautrophobic. I thought it was okay, I

don't remember much , I woke up twice but didn't freak out juet went

back to sleep.

>

> That afternoon, I almost sleep the entire day as well as several

days - I had so much arm and esp. back pain - awake, I cannot lay on

my back very long- but during this test I was on my back the entire

time.

>

> According to the PM doc, The test only showed a bursitis which I

don't know whether it could be causing the arm pain or not.

Everything I have found on this just says any problems cause by this

are at the site. She wants me to come in to have the site injected.

>

> I had the MRI result also sent to my GP and he called and he also

told me about the bursitis. BUT he also told me the MRI shows a small

herniation at C5-C6 - why would the PM doc ignore the diagnosis of

herniation-even if it is small.

>

> What is interesting is I had a previous MRi done which

showed " spondylotic changes at C4-C5. (no mention of any problem at

C5-C6) this one was done in April, the most recent July 3)

>

> Does this mean I am falling apart as we speak???????????????

>

> I am having many more arm spasms, they hurt so bad and no one knows

what is causing them. My left hand is even involved- I cannot lift or

hold anything with my left hand-it just hurts too much.

>

> The fibro has complicated mu life so much - memory loss, lack of

coordination, urinary freguency, sinus problems, muscles stiffness,

increase ibn the frequency of my raynauds symdrome ccuring- even from

just eating ice cream, insomnia, irritable syndrome, recently started

treatment for asthma symptoms mostly at night, Major increase in

bruising - (and I can't find many people with fibro, who have this

symptom of bruising), hair loss, muscle cramping at night, and muscle

twitching during the day, inability to be around cigarette smoke,

inability to be in a cold enviroment(even if it is just an air

conditioned grocery store) -it increases the Raynauds as well we the

l upper arm spasms.

>

> Well, that is my life, right now. We haven't paid this month's

mortgate payment so we could pay for the Cobra to see if another

month would give us the answers we need.

>

> I have worked on this letter since 8am off and on since my neck was

burning. I think I better stop now.

>

> Thank you in advance for any suggestions, and definately just

support would be appreciated.

>

>

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,

I too am having left arm pain and mine was very severe for about 6

months but now it is not quite as painful. I had several doctors look

at it, and dx. tennis elbow but I'm sure it's coming from the fibro,

and one doctor even said it was. Try the heating pad at night, it

helps some. I too worked as a nurse but had to give it up.

I find that elavil works good at night and my doctor prescribed

Relafen also. When you described your pain, I knew exactly what you

were talking about. So I suppose it's a fibro thing, but if you had

surgery on the same arm (I'm just guessing) I wonder if the doctor

messed something up? You never know.

> Hi again,

>

> It has been quite a while since I shared my life with y'all But

there are very simplye reasons:

>

> 1. Terible fatigue

> 2 difficulty with typing - loss of coordination has caused me not

to be able to write or type without alot of typos. (and for some

reason, this mail server does not have a spell check!!!

> 3. Trying to get ADL questionaire completed.

> 4. The last time I shared I was critized and terribly hurt by one

person who more or less told me that I expected too much from my

doctors- like I demanded the attention of not only the doctors but

every one in their office. I should not be complaining (espically

about the doctors) , that I complain too much and I expect too much

from my doctors and to get over it and get a life.

>

> I thought these forums were places where we who are in constant

pain and have all these problems can safely come and vent and cry

with each other without critism ect. I warn people with the subject

that it is long and everyione had a delete key. If I am wrong, this

post will tell me and if understanding IS here I know I am the right

place, but I can't stand the demeaning and critical comments .

>

> first thing is the new diagnosis =- i finally get into the

rheumotologist. while we were sitting in the car before we went into

his office- I had the worst Left upper arm pain - this one went from

the ewntire shoulder joint to my upper arm, I sdcreamed -almost

dropped a can of pepsi I had and then just sat there and cried

waiting for the severe pain to go away so I could walk in.

>

> I got into see the doc and we reviwed the surgery history - and

even then he stoped and said that I could have fibro - just from all

that I have already been thriough.

>

> He then asked where I felt the pain and some other questions- he

then checked my reflexes and finally checked for the tender points. I

guess I really didn't realze how much pressure someone has to exert

to check the tender points. But bottom line- I understand that to be

diagnosed a patient has to have 11 of the 18 tender points positive.

He told me that I had ALL 18 tender points positive. He then told me

that the fibro was caused by all the pain and stress that I have been

under.

>

> He changed the anti-depressant given me by the GP (celexa) to

elavil to see if it would help me sleep ( and if that didn't help he

suggested a psychiaty visit for a possible sleep disorder, But the

Elavil has helped. He then added Naprosyn 500mg.

>

> I did not think the Naprosyn was working until I ran out and it was

about a week before we could get it refilled. This week - all my

joints have hurt so bad!

>

> I then saw 2 new orthopedics(same group) who I hoped would find out

what was causing my severe L upper arm pain spasms.(and be a second

opinion on what the ist ortho docs did) Boy, was I wrong. The doc who

did joints- according to him the problem was in my neck- end of

story.

>

> The second guy was just a jerk- when he ask what was wrong, I

started telling him that I had severe left upper arm pain, neck pain

and back pain- he interupped me and told me he only had time to take

care of only one of my problems. The scar from the rotator cuff

surgery look very abnormal and I asked him to look at it and see

what I should do-( when I raise my arm the scar is drawn down into

the arm - the scar is also turing into a keloid)His response " well it

look like the surgeon wanted to sew it together like that. " He looked

at one of the films(I brought 3 different sets of films) and then

arogantly told me " You don't need surgery and I don't treat anyone

unless I can operate on them ($$) so I am not going to waste my time

on you " (what an ass)

>

> My next appointment was with my PM doc and we ganged up on her- my

husband came with me since we wanted answers. I share with her about

the fibro, but she was mumbling something about how maybe I could

have had the fibro before all mu orthopedic problems occured and this

made the pain from the ortho problems worse and now it is why I am in

so much pain now which is still not under control. (this does not

make sense since before the 1 st surgery, I was working 8-12 shifts

in L&d as well as some supervisory responsibilities- I am a

Registered Nurse.) I know that she and the ortho doc who referred me

have been in contact with each other. But this sounds like she is

trying to blame the fibro for all my pain problems before the

orthopedic surgeries and after???????????

>

> We then started talking about the arm problems and what can be

done, I also told her about the neck burning.She asked about other

orthos and I reminded her what happened and she responded " oh yes- I

have asked several ortho to see you and they have all refused because

you have had surgery. " We asked her about acupuncture as a treatmnet

fo my painand she told me that was a bad time to cinsider this since

her acuouncture doc quit working with her.

>

> She then decided to order MRI of the shoulder, upper arm and

bracial plexus. These were with and without contract - something that

would take at least 3 hours. Since she wanted the closed MRI, I had

to be sedated because I am clautrophobic. I thought it was okay, I

don't remember much , I woke up twice but didn't freak out juet went

back to sleep.

>

> That afternoon, I almost sleep the entire day as well as several

days - I had so much arm and esp. back pain - awake, I cannot lay on

my back very long- but during this test I was on my back the entire

time.

>

> According to the PM doc, The test only showed a bursitis which I

don't know whether it could be causing the arm pain or not.

Everything I have found on this just says any problems cause by this

are at the site. She wants me to come in to have the site injected.

>

> I had the MRI result also sent to my GP and he called and he also

told me about the bursitis. BUT he also told me the MRI shows a small

herniation at C5-C6 - why would the PM doc ignore the diagnosis of

herniation-even if it is small.

>

> What is interesting is I had a previous MRi done which

showed " spondylotic changes at C4-C5. (no mention of any problem at

C5-C6) this one was done in April, the most recent July 3)

>

> Does this mean I am falling apart as we speak???????????????

>

> I am having many more arm spasms, they hurt so bad and no one knows

what is causing them. My left hand is even involved- I cannot lift or

hold anything with my left hand-it just hurts too much.

>

> The fibro has complicated mu life so much - memory loss, lack of

coordination, urinary freguency, sinus problems, muscles stiffness,

increase ibn the frequency of my raynauds symdrome ccuring- even from

just eating ice cream, insomnia, irritable syndrome, recently started

treatment for asthma symptoms mostly at night, Major increase in

bruising - (and I can't find many people with fibro, who have this

symptom of bruising), hair loss, muscle cramping at night, and muscle

twitching during the day, inability to be around cigarette smoke,

inability to be in a cold enviroment(even if it is just an air

conditioned grocery store) -it increases the Raynauds as well we the

l upper arm spasms.

>

> Well, that is my life, right now. We haven't paid this month's

mortgate payment so we could pay for the Cobra to see if another

month would give us the answers we need.

>

> I have worked on this letter since 8am off and on since my neck was

burning. I think I better stop now.

>

> Thank you in advance for any suggestions, and definately just

support would be appreciated.

>

>

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,

I too am having left arm pain and mine was very severe for about 6

months but now it is not quite as painful. I had several doctors look

at it, and dx. tennis elbow but I'm sure it's coming from the fibro,

and one doctor even said it was. Try the heating pad at night, it

helps some. I too worked as a nurse but had to give it up.

I find that elavil works good at night and my doctor prescribed

Relafen also. When you described your pain, I knew exactly what you

were talking about. So I suppose it's a fibro thing, but if you had

surgery on the same arm (I'm just guessing) I wonder if the doctor

messed something up? You never know.

> Hi again,

>

> It has been quite a while since I shared my life with y'all But

there are very simplye reasons:

>

> 1. Terible fatigue

> 2 difficulty with typing - loss of coordination has caused me not

to be able to write or type without alot of typos. (and for some

reason, this mail server does not have a spell check!!!

> 3. Trying to get ADL questionaire completed.

> 4. The last time I shared I was critized and terribly hurt by one

person who more or less told me that I expected too much from my

doctors- like I demanded the attention of not only the doctors but

every one in their office. I should not be complaining (espically

about the doctors) , that I complain too much and I expect too much

from my doctors and to get over it and get a life.

>

> I thought these forums were places where we who are in constant

pain and have all these problems can safely come and vent and cry

with each other without critism ect. I warn people with the subject

that it is long and everyione had a delete key. If I am wrong, this

post will tell me and if understanding IS here I know I am the right

place, but I can't stand the demeaning and critical comments .

>

> first thing is the new diagnosis =- i finally get into the

rheumotologist. while we were sitting in the car before we went into

his office- I had the worst Left upper arm pain - this one went from

the ewntire shoulder joint to my upper arm, I sdcreamed -almost

dropped a can of pepsi I had and then just sat there and cried

waiting for the severe pain to go away so I could walk in.

>

> I got into see the doc and we reviwed the surgery history - and

even then he stoped and said that I could have fibro - just from all

that I have already been thriough.

>

> He then asked where I felt the pain and some other questions- he

then checked my reflexes and finally checked for the tender points. I

guess I really didn't realze how much pressure someone has to exert

to check the tender points. But bottom line- I understand that to be

diagnosed a patient has to have 11 of the 18 tender points positive.

He told me that I had ALL 18 tender points positive. He then told me

that the fibro was caused by all the pain and stress that I have been

under.

>

> He changed the anti-depressant given me by the GP (celexa) to

elavil to see if it would help me sleep ( and if that didn't help he

suggested a psychiaty visit for a possible sleep disorder, But the

Elavil has helped. He then added Naprosyn 500mg.

>

> I did not think the Naprosyn was working until I ran out and it was

about a week before we could get it refilled. This week - all my

joints have hurt so bad!

>

> I then saw 2 new orthopedics(same group) who I hoped would find out

what was causing my severe L upper arm pain spasms.(and be a second

opinion on what the ist ortho docs did) Boy, was I wrong. The doc who

did joints- according to him the problem was in my neck- end of

story.

>

> The second guy was just a jerk- when he ask what was wrong, I

started telling him that I had severe left upper arm pain, neck pain

and back pain- he interupped me and told me he only had time to take

care of only one of my problems. The scar from the rotator cuff

surgery look very abnormal and I asked him to look at it and see

what I should do-( when I raise my arm the scar is drawn down into

the arm - the scar is also turing into a keloid)His response " well it

look like the surgeon wanted to sew it together like that. " He looked

at one of the films(I brought 3 different sets of films) and then

arogantly told me " You don't need surgery and I don't treat anyone

unless I can operate on them ($$) so I am not going to waste my time

on you " (what an ass)

>

> My next appointment was with my PM doc and we ganged up on her- my

husband came with me since we wanted answers. I share with her about

the fibro, but she was mumbling something about how maybe I could

have had the fibro before all mu orthopedic problems occured and this

made the pain from the ortho problems worse and now it is why I am in

so much pain now which is still not under control. (this does not

make sense since before the 1 st surgery, I was working 8-12 shifts

in L&d as well as some supervisory responsibilities- I am a

Registered Nurse.) I know that she and the ortho doc who referred me

have been in contact with each other. But this sounds like she is

trying to blame the fibro for all my pain problems before the

orthopedic surgeries and after???????????

>

> We then started talking about the arm problems and what can be

done, I also told her about the neck burning.She asked about other

orthos and I reminded her what happened and she responded " oh yes- I

have asked several ortho to see you and they have all refused because

you have had surgery. " We asked her about acupuncture as a treatmnet

fo my painand she told me that was a bad time to cinsider this since

her acuouncture doc quit working with her.

>

> She then decided to order MRI of the shoulder, upper arm and

bracial plexus. These were with and without contract - something that

would take at least 3 hours. Since she wanted the closed MRI, I had

to be sedated because I am clautrophobic. I thought it was okay, I

don't remember much , I woke up twice but didn't freak out juet went

back to sleep.

>

> That afternoon, I almost sleep the entire day as well as several

days - I had so much arm and esp. back pain - awake, I cannot lay on

my back very long- but during this test I was on my back the entire

time.

>

> According to the PM doc, The test only showed a bursitis which I

don't know whether it could be causing the arm pain or not.

Everything I have found on this just says any problems cause by this

are at the site. She wants me to come in to have the site injected.

>

> I had the MRI result also sent to my GP and he called and he also

told me about the bursitis. BUT he also told me the MRI shows a small

herniation at C5-C6 - why would the PM doc ignore the diagnosis of

herniation-even if it is small.

>

> What is interesting is I had a previous MRi done which

showed " spondylotic changes at C4-C5. (no mention of any problem at

C5-C6) this one was done in April, the most recent July 3)

>

> Does this mean I am falling apart as we speak???????????????

>

> I am having many more arm spasms, they hurt so bad and no one knows

what is causing them. My left hand is even involved- I cannot lift or

hold anything with my left hand-it just hurts too much.

>

> The fibro has complicated mu life so much - memory loss, lack of

coordination, urinary freguency, sinus problems, muscles stiffness,

increase ibn the frequency of my raynauds symdrome ccuring- even from

just eating ice cream, insomnia, irritable syndrome, recently started

treatment for asthma symptoms mostly at night, Major increase in

bruising - (and I can't find many people with fibro, who have this

symptom of bruising), hair loss, muscle cramping at night, and muscle

twitching during the day, inability to be around cigarette smoke,

inability to be in a cold enviroment(even if it is just an air

conditioned grocery store) -it increases the Raynauds as well we the

l upper arm spasms.

>

> Well, that is my life, right now. We haven't paid this month's

mortgate payment so we could pay for the Cobra to see if another

month would give us the answers we need.

>

> I have worked on this letter since 8am off and on since my neck was

burning. I think I better stop now.

>

> Thank you in advance for any suggestions, and definately just

support would be appreciated.

>

>

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Hi ,

Just a quick comment on your concerns about possible lack of

understanding, patience, and/or sympathy from list

members...something you had run into in the past when venting about

doctors....

When I first joined the list several months ago, I remember a

somewhat heated dialog was taking place on this subject. I was

rather dismayed because the general consensus suppported what I

interpreted as doormat behavior on the part of patients and seemed to

cut doctor's way too much slack. I've since learned that my first

impression was completely wrong. This forum has turned out to be a

GREAT place for people, including me, to vent about doctors and get

constructive support and feedback. Replies include empathetic

outrage, virtual hugs, similar horror stories, practical suggestions

for ways to enhance communication with the doctor in question,

referrals for new doctors, and even specific information on how to

fire and/or report the doctor to the appropriate licensing boards.

I think the doctor vents serve an invaluable service. When we see

other people having the same experiences, over and over and over

again, it helps us recover our focus, self-respect, and dignity when

we have been brought low by some doctor's lack of knowledge and or

compassion. It helps us move on and keep searching until we find a

doctor who knows his/her stuff and cares about us as individuals and

can actually treat us. I benefitted from this myself recently when

I had a bad doctor experience and, remembering this forum, didn't

waste any time in self-doubt and loathing, or going back to pay for

repeat performances...I just moved on and found someone else who is

SO much better, I can't tell you.

The point is: please don't hesitate to vent here! It's good for all of us.

Also, I haven't seen anyone on this list be mean spirited or

deliberately try to hurt someone else. Sometimes replies seem curt

and abrupt , and without the smiles and body language, to know the

intent is friendly, it's possible to interpret the reply as being

hostile or patronizing. Usually it's just someone's

style...Sometimes someone is saving words because it hurts to type.

Almost always, when the curtness is pointed out, the person who

replied is astonished and apologetic.

I've been long winded here--I do hope you start getting better soon.

Margaret

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Hi ,

Just a quick comment on your concerns about possible lack of

understanding, patience, and/or sympathy from list

members...something you had run into in the past when venting about

doctors....

When I first joined the list several months ago, I remember a

somewhat heated dialog was taking place on this subject. I was

rather dismayed because the general consensus suppported what I

interpreted as doormat behavior on the part of patients and seemed to

cut doctor's way too much slack. I've since learned that my first

impression was completely wrong. This forum has turned out to be a

GREAT place for people, including me, to vent about doctors and get

constructive support and feedback. Replies include empathetic

outrage, virtual hugs, similar horror stories, practical suggestions

for ways to enhance communication with the doctor in question,

referrals for new doctors, and even specific information on how to

fire and/or report the doctor to the appropriate licensing boards.

I think the doctor vents serve an invaluable service. When we see

other people having the same experiences, over and over and over

again, it helps us recover our focus, self-respect, and dignity when

we have been brought low by some doctor's lack of knowledge and or

compassion. It helps us move on and keep searching until we find a

doctor who knows his/her stuff and cares about us as individuals and

can actually treat us. I benefitted from this myself recently when

I had a bad doctor experience and, remembering this forum, didn't

waste any time in self-doubt and loathing, or going back to pay for

repeat performances...I just moved on and found someone else who is

SO much better, I can't tell you.

The point is: please don't hesitate to vent here! It's good for all of us.

Also, I haven't seen anyone on this list be mean spirited or

deliberately try to hurt someone else. Sometimes replies seem curt

and abrupt , and without the smiles and body language, to know the

intent is friendly, it's possible to interpret the reply as being

hostile or patronizing. Usually it's just someone's

style...Sometimes someone is saving words because it hurts to type.

Almost always, when the curtness is pointed out, the person who

replied is astonished and apologetic.

I've been long winded here--I do hope you start getting better soon.

Margaret

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Hi ,

Just a quick comment on your concerns about possible lack of

understanding, patience, and/or sympathy from list

members...something you had run into in the past when venting about

doctors....

When I first joined the list several months ago, I remember a

somewhat heated dialog was taking place on this subject. I was

rather dismayed because the general consensus suppported what I

interpreted as doormat behavior on the part of patients and seemed to

cut doctor's way too much slack. I've since learned that my first

impression was completely wrong. This forum has turned out to be a

GREAT place for people, including me, to vent about doctors and get

constructive support and feedback. Replies include empathetic

outrage, virtual hugs, similar horror stories, practical suggestions

for ways to enhance communication with the doctor in question,

referrals for new doctors, and even specific information on how to

fire and/or report the doctor to the appropriate licensing boards.

I think the doctor vents serve an invaluable service. When we see

other people having the same experiences, over and over and over

again, it helps us recover our focus, self-respect, and dignity when

we have been brought low by some doctor's lack of knowledge and or

compassion. It helps us move on and keep searching until we find a

doctor who knows his/her stuff and cares about us as individuals and

can actually treat us. I benefitted from this myself recently when

I had a bad doctor experience and, remembering this forum, didn't

waste any time in self-doubt and loathing, or going back to pay for

repeat performances...I just moved on and found someone else who is

SO much better, I can't tell you.

The point is: please don't hesitate to vent here! It's good for all of us.

Also, I haven't seen anyone on this list be mean spirited or

deliberately try to hurt someone else. Sometimes replies seem curt

and abrupt , and without the smiles and body language, to know the

intent is friendly, it's possible to interpret the reply as being

hostile or patronizing. Usually it's just someone's

style...Sometimes someone is saving words because it hurts to type.

Almost always, when the curtness is pointed out, the person who

replied is astonished and apologetic.

I've been long winded here--I do hope you start getting better soon.

Margaret

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writes,

> According to the PM doc, The test only showed a bursitis which I don't know

> whether it could be causing the arm pain or not. Everything I have found on

> this just says any problems cause by this are at the site. She wants me to

> come in to have the site injected.

> I am one that can tell you that bursitis can cause terrible pain. You

> cannot lift your hand up to the dashboard of a car because of the pain. I

> was one of the lucky one. I was given cortisone shots where it hurt and I

> have not had a problem with the bursitis since then. They have to find the

> place that hurts so that the needle can put the medication in the right

> place and that did hurt as we did not have MRI's in those days.

Take care,

Irene

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writes,

> According to the PM doc, The test only showed a bursitis which I don't know

> whether it could be causing the arm pain or not. Everything I have found on

> this just says any problems cause by this are at the site. She wants me to

> come in to have the site injected.

> I am one that can tell you that bursitis can cause terrible pain. You

> cannot lift your hand up to the dashboard of a car because of the pain. I

> was one of the lucky one. I was given cortisone shots where it hurt and I

> have not had a problem with the bursitis since then. They have to find the

> place that hurts so that the needle can put the medication in the right

> place and that did hurt as we did not have MRI's in those days.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

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writes,

> According to the PM doc, The test only showed a bursitis which I don't know

> whether it could be causing the arm pain or not. Everything I have found on

> this just says any problems cause by this are at the site. She wants me to

> come in to have the site injected.

> I am one that can tell you that bursitis can cause terrible pain. You

> cannot lift your hand up to the dashboard of a car because of the pain. I

> was one of the lucky one. I was given cortisone shots where it hurt and I

> have not had a problem with the bursitis since then. They have to find the

> place that hurts so that the needle can put the medication in the right

> place and that did hurt as we did not have MRI's in those days.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

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Margaret writes,

> Also, I haven't seen anyone on this list be mean spirited or

> deliberately try to hurt someone else. Sometimes replies seem curt

> and abrupt, and without the smiles and body language, to know the

> intent is friendly, it's possible to interpret the reply as being

> hostile or patronizing. Usually it's just someone's

> style...Sometimes someone is saving words because it hurts to type.

> Almost always, when the curtness is pointed out, the person who

> replied is astonished and apologetic.

I am sorry to say this sounds an awful lot like me. I do have a tendency to

be abrupt or curt in answering some emails. I do not mean any harm and I am

truly sorry if I have ever hurt anybody.

Missy told me that I worry to much and I am afraid that I do worry that have

said something that will be interpreted the wrong way. It is just my way.

>

>

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman

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