Re: ??? about taking this med...

[Guest guest]

Levothyroxine is generic Synthroid. She needs to take it all at once and has to

swallow it for it to do her any good at all, but Armour is better, as most of us

know!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Levothyroxine is generic Synthroid. She needs to take it all at once and has to

swallow it for it to do her any good at all, but Armour is better, as most of us

know!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Levothyroxine is generic Synthroid. She needs to take it all at once and has to

swallow it for it to do her any good at all, but Armour is better, as most of us

know!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

levothyroxin is the generic name for synthroid. same thing.

momofonly3 momofonly3@...> wrote:A friend of mine has just started

taking levothyroxin, I believe that is the name. I have tried to talk with her

about using Armour. Where can I find info about levothyroxin?. Also, the dr

told her to swallow it all in the morning. Would it work better for her to put

it between her cheek and gum and to cut the dose in half to be taken twice a day

instead of just once? She has been taking this for two months and is feeling

real bad. She was on Synthroid for a very long time.

Thanks much!

Diona

[Guest guest]

Actually, Val, you can take your synthroid sublingually, just like

your Armour - it's bioidentical and it absorbs just as well. It's

actually because of the T4 in the Armour that it is best taken this

way; T4 is the hormone that gets interfered with by food. Taking it

this way bypasses the stomach as we all know, but it's done

primarily for the T4.

> Levothyroxine is generic Synthroid. She needs to take it all at

once and has to swallow it for it to do her any good at all, but

Armour is better, as most of us know!

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, Val, you can take your synthroid sublingually, just like

your Armour - it's bioidentical and it absorbs just as well. It's

actually because of the T4 in the Armour that it is best taken this

way; T4 is the hormone that gets interfered with by food. Taking it

this way bypasses the stomach as we all know, but it's done

primarily for the T4.

> Levothyroxine is generic Synthroid. She needs to take it all at

once and has to swallow it for it to do her any good at all, but

Armour is better, as most of us know!

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, Val, you can take your synthroid sublingually, just like

your Armour - it's bioidentical and it absorbs just as well. It's

actually because of the T4 in the Armour that it is best taken this

way; T4 is the hormone that gets interfered with by food. Taking it

this way bypasses the stomach as we all know, but it's done

primarily for the T4.

> Levothyroxine is generic Synthroid. She needs to take it all at

once and has to swallow it for it to do her any good at all, but

Armour is better, as most of us know!

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/2005 9:16:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them

huh? how can a synthetic be bio-identical?

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/2005 9:16:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them

huh? how can a synthetic be bio-identical?

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/2005 9:16:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroom@... writes:

> all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them

huh? how can a synthetic be bio-identical?

cindi

[Guest guest]

, the people we look to for our answers, Dr. Dommisse, Dr.

Rind, etc all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them.

I have been on synthroid since september, taking it sublingually

since October and my FT4 has gone from the lower 3rd of the range to

the upper 3rd of the range - I'd say it's being absorbed.

Nat

> >>you can take your synthroid sublingually, just like

> your Armour - it's bioidentical <<

>

> No I do not believe Synthroid is bioidentical. It is made with

sodium and thyroxine and must have the sodium removed before the

thyroxine can be released. This requires contact with stomach acids

to remove the sodium molecule.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, the people we look to for our answers, Dr. Dommisse, Dr.

Rind, etc all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them.

I have been on synthroid since september, taking it sublingually

since October and my FT4 has gone from the lower 3rd of the range to

the upper 3rd of the range - I'd say it's being absorbed.

Nat

> >>you can take your synthroid sublingually, just like

> your Armour - it's bioidentical <<

>

> No I do not believe Synthroid is bioidentical. It is made with

sodium and thyroxine and must have the sodium removed before the

thyroxine can be released. This requires contact with stomach acids

to remove the sodium molecule.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, the people we look to for our answers, Dr. Dommisse, Dr.

Rind, etc all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them.

I have been on synthroid since september, taking it sublingually

since October and my FT4 has gone from the lower 3rd of the range to

the upper 3rd of the range - I'd say it's being absorbed.

Nat

> >>you can take your synthroid sublingually, just like

> your Armour - it's bioidentical <<

>

> No I do not believe Synthroid is bioidentical. It is made with

sodium and thyroxine and must have the sodium removed before the

thyroxine can be released. This requires contact with stomach acids

to remove the sodium molecule.

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Levothyroxine Is basically generic Synthroid or all T4. It doesn't

really make any difference if she takes it once in the morning or

twice. It's almost inactive. Dissolving it may or may not help.

since these mads have a sodium molecule attached to them, it is

probably better if it is exposed to stomach acid. But, I have read

accounts of it being injected recently, so I think the sodium comes

off quite easily just in the blood. All T4 meds are very poorly

absorbed. As you can see from this study below, it takes a very

large amount of T4 or Levothyroxine to raise the metabolic rate. Old

papers studying Synthroid found that typical oral doses needed to

make the patient healthy were 300 to 400 mcg. Today, this dose is

rarely given and why so many patients are sick. Keep working on her

to fight for her rights to use Armour.

Tish

Dr. Derry wrote this note to Edna Kyrie owner of

http://www.thyroidhistory.net

The statement by C.P. Lalonde in 1948 review: " When thyroxine is

administered to a thyroidectomized or myxedematous patient, it takes

250 -350 micrograms of thyroxine to maintain a normal metabolism.

( et al, 1935, Means, 1937) "

C. P. Leblond. Iodine metabolism. Advanc Biol Med Phys 1:353-386,

1948.

It does not say but I believe they gave it intravenously because it

is so badly absorbed orally. But IV thyroxine works well.

[Guest guest]

Levothyroxine Is basically generic Synthroid or all T4. It doesn't

really make any difference if she takes it once in the morning or

twice. It's almost inactive. Dissolving it may or may not help.

since these mads have a sodium molecule attached to them, it is

probably better if it is exposed to stomach acid. But, I have read

accounts of it being injected recently, so I think the sodium comes

off quite easily just in the blood. All T4 meds are very poorly

absorbed. As you can see from this study below, it takes a very

large amount of T4 or Levothyroxine to raise the metabolic rate. Old

papers studying Synthroid found that typical oral doses needed to

make the patient healthy were 300 to 400 mcg. Today, this dose is

rarely given and why so many patients are sick. Keep working on her

to fight for her rights to use Armour.

Tish

Dr. Derry wrote this note to Edna Kyrie owner of

http://www.thyroidhistory.net

The statement by C.P. Lalonde in 1948 review: " When thyroxine is

administered to a thyroidectomized or myxedematous patient, it takes

250 -350 micrograms of thyroxine to maintain a normal metabolism.

( et al, 1935, Means, 1937) "

C. P. Leblond. Iodine metabolism. Advanc Biol Med Phys 1:353-386,

1948.

It does not say but I believe they gave it intravenously because it

is so badly absorbed orally. But IV thyroxine works well.

[Guest guest]

Levothyroxine Is basically generic Synthroid or all T4. It doesn't

really make any difference if she takes it once in the morning or

twice. It's almost inactive. Dissolving it may or may not help.

since these mads have a sodium molecule attached to them, it is

probably better if it is exposed to stomach acid. But, I have read

accounts of it being injected recently, so I think the sodium comes

off quite easily just in the blood. All T4 meds are very poorly

absorbed. As you can see from this study below, it takes a very

large amount of T4 or Levothyroxine to raise the metabolic rate. Old

papers studying Synthroid found that typical oral doses needed to

make the patient healthy were 300 to 400 mcg. Today, this dose is

rarely given and why so many patients are sick. Keep working on her

to fight for her rights to use Armour.

Tish

Dr. Derry wrote this note to Edna Kyrie owner of

http://www.thyroidhistory.net

The statement by C.P. Lalonde in 1948 review: " When thyroxine is

administered to a thyroidectomized or myxedematous patient, it takes

250 -350 micrograms of thyroxine to maintain a normal metabolism.

( et al, 1935, Means, 1937) "

C. P. Leblond. Iodine metabolism. Advanc Biol Med Phys 1:353-386,

1948.

It does not say but I believe they gave it intravenously because it

is so badly absorbed orally. But IV thyroxine works well.

[Guest guest]

Dommisse made reference to it in the article I sent Janie for the

site - it's in Files, 40K, added this week. It's a long article /

newsletter talking about FT3 and FT4 for dosing instead of using TSH

and it comments that T4 from sytnetics is bioidentical.

Remember, bioidentical doesn't mean " the best choice " - it just

means that unlike the synthetic hormones they use elsewhere

(premarin, provera) it's not foreign to the body, it's the

biological idental to what our bodies would make if they could.

> >>Dr. Dommisse, Dr.

> Rind, etc all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them.<<

>

> I would believe them too but thta is not what I have read on their

site, can you find this reference for me?

>

>

>

> Artistic Grooming

> Hurricane, West Virginia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dommisse made reference to it in the article I sent Janie for the

site - it's in Files, 40K, added this week. It's a long article /

newsletter talking about FT3 and FT4 for dosing instead of using TSH

and it comments that T4 from sytnetics is bioidentical.

Remember, bioidentical doesn't mean " the best choice " - it just

means that unlike the synthetic hormones they use elsewhere

(premarin, provera) it's not foreign to the body, it's the

biological idental to what our bodies would make if they could.

> >>Dr. Dommisse, Dr.

> Rind, etc all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them.<<

>

> I would believe them too but thta is not what I have read on their

site, can you find this reference for me?

>

>

>

> Artistic Grooming

> Hurricane, West Virginia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dommisse made reference to it in the article I sent Janie for the

site - it's in Files, 40K, added this week. It's a long article /

newsletter talking about FT3 and FT4 for dosing instead of using TSH

and it comments that T4 from sytnetics is bioidentical.

Remember, bioidentical doesn't mean " the best choice " - it just

means that unlike the synthetic hormones they use elsewhere

(premarin, provera) it's not foreign to the body, it's the

biological idental to what our bodies would make if they could.

> >>Dr. Dommisse, Dr.

> Rind, etc all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them.<<

>

> I would believe them too but thta is not what I have read on their

site, can you find this reference for me?

>

>

>

> Artistic Grooming

> Hurricane, West Virginia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well I haven't read all that article, just no concentration for long articles

any more. But I Do know that on 1600 MCG a DAY of Synthroid I felt like I was

taking sugar pills so it obviously isn;t bioidentical to what I need, LOL.

Straight T3 doesn;t work for me either, I just go form sleeping constantly to

shaky and irritable, with little in between. The Combo of Armour & Cytomel has

worked a miracle for me but there is 25 years of damage to my body from being on

Synthroid alone to repair. I was dying on Synthroid from low thyroid. Literally

dying. I cannot recommend it to anyone as if that is bioidentical, I can't

recommend bioidentical in thyroid hormones.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

Well I haven't read all that article, just no concentration for long articles

any more. But I Do know that on 1600 MCG a DAY of Synthroid I felt like I was

taking sugar pills so it obviously isn;t bioidentical to what I need, LOL.

Straight T3 doesn;t work for me either, I just go form sleeping constantly to

shaky and irritable, with little in between. The Combo of Armour & Cytomel has

worked a miracle for me but there is 25 years of damage to my body from being on

Synthroid alone to repair. I was dying on Synthroid from low thyroid. Literally

dying. I cannot recommend it to anyone as if that is bioidentical, I can't

recommend bioidentical in thyroid hormones.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

I can't easily find a picture of the thyroxine-sodium molecule. But,

human thyroxine (T4) looks like this:

http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/acsdisplay.html?

DOC=HomeMolecule%5Carchive%5Cmotw_thyroxine_arch.html

Synthroid is exactly like this, but there is a sodium molecule

attached somewhere on it. I'm thinking it is probably a covalent

bond, which would be weak and would detach easily in water or other

medium, like blood. If I find a picture, I will post the link.

I think that this sodium makes it a little less absorbable than the

real thing as it changes it's electrical charge slightly. It was

this sodium which allowed the manufacturer to get the patent.

So, yes it's exactly the same, but not quite. The US government

would consider this exactly the same by their definition which would

allow such minor alterations. This is why genetically engieered

foods are considered safe by the FDA.

Tish

[Guest guest]

> I can't easily find a picture of the thyroxine-sodium molecule.

But,

> human thyroxine (T4) looks like this:

>

> http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/acsdisplay.html?

> DOC=HomeMolecule%5Carchive%5Cmotw_thyroxine_arch.html

>

> Synthroid is exactly like this, but there is a sodium molecule

> attached somewhere on it. I'm thinking it is probably a covalent

> bond, which would be weak and would detach easily in water or

other

> medium, like blood. If I find a picture, I will post the link.

>

> I think that this sodium makes it a little less absorbable than

the

> real thing as it changes it's electrical charge slightly. It was

> this sodium which allowed the manufacturer to get the patent.

I wondered about that- thanks, Tish. I have had to argue with my

own health insurance because the T3 I'm on is bioidentical, there's

no DIN for it, so they assume it's not a script. Every time I have

to send in my receipts I have to add a little note about how it's

not a patented hormone because it's natural. I don't have to do

this with the synthroid.

>

> So, yes it's exactly the same, but not quite. The US government

> would consider this exactly the same by their definition which

would

> allow such minor alterations. This is why genetically engieered

> foods are considered safe by the FDA.

Now, THAT's a fine line to walk. Scary too. GMO foods...

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 2/26/2005 9:16:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@v... writes:

>

> > all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> > synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them

>

> huh? how can a synthetic be bio-identical?

> cindi

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Read Tish's post, it's in there.

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 2/26/2005 9:16:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> artisticgroom@v... writes:

>

> > all state unequivically that the synthetic hormones like

> > synthroid are bio-identical - I'm inclinded to believe them

>

> huh? how can a synthetic be bio-identical?

> cindi

----------------

Read Tish's post, it's in there.