Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 Hi, I started getting a lot of spam regarding Growth Hormones off the list when this topic started. Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 Yes, I got the first one but at the bottom of the page, it said you could get off their list. I did what they said, and haven't received any more. Margaret (Marty) Byers , Ph.D., Writer, Retired Social Psychologist HTTP://members.aol.com/historyresearchHTTP://members.aol.com/historyrese\ arch socpsychology@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 Yes, I got the first one but at the bottom of the page, it said you could get off their list. I did what they said, and haven't received any more. Margaret (Marty) Byers , Ph.D., Writer, Retired Social Psychologist HTTP://members.aol.com/historyresearchHTTP://members.aol.com/historyrese\ arch socpsychology@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 HGH or human growth hormone is not legal or over the counter in the USA, lots of companies make things that say they are but its hard to find pure supplements unless you know a good company like Immune Support or better yet, Young Living. There are nutritional supplements that support your body's production of HGH which the body makes to repair tissues when you sleep. Problem with FM is that we don't stay in stage 4 long enough, we get the more awake brain waves (alpha intrusions)when we sleep so we end up with sore, tired bodies. Even regular activity causes micro tears in normal muscles so if you are doing more, the body has more to repair. If you do not breathe well from pain or stress less oxygen gets into the circulation thus producing more lactic acid (see your A&P book) in the cycle. There's hope! Research on GHB shows it may help deep sleep in small amounts but not the illegal bathtub brews. They are replacing the sodium molecule but it shows great promise. I was in the first 2 trials, nasty tasting stuff. I've been using different supplements like Mg & Malic acid, Ultra YOung spray and EFA's plus warm baths in espon salt and pure essential oils. I love the bath gel Morning Start, the smell helps to clear my fog and it has no chemicals to pollute my system more. Caffeine may make us feel better but does increase muscle tension, nicotine is a vasoconstrictor. Its a difficult disorder, some have more trouble with the pain, some with the fatigue...some are so tired they just hurt all over. Do you find that having a good day you may overdo and pay for it for the next few? My PT wants to start a FM clinic and help people cope with their pain if we can get the medical supervisor to approve it. So many PT's and doctors do not understand trigger points and how overactive our sympathetic nervous system is when we hurt so much. We stress quicker which tightens the muscles making it worse. I took a wonderful class on self massage for trigger points using a theracane or tennis ball in a sock. I wish more doctors had a copy of the book, it would really help them understand why we hurt one place but the tight spot is another spot refering the pain. Trigger points can cause problems we would not even think. I had to give up my job as a nurse because of the sudden weakness I get so I now teach classes on ways to cope, Angels, Aromatherapy and the things we CAN do. People may think I have a cake job working from home but we designed this house with my bedroom next to my home office so I can roll into the office on a bad day and take breaks. I just don't tell them how challenged I am and put on my best face when I go out. I will be posting new links in a few weeks to my website of some more helpful things to help people cope and help them understand how it all works. So those of you blessed with a regular paycheck, blessed with young ones to be with...enjoy what you do have. The lack of income really limits what out of pocket things most of us can afford. When the kids are grown you may look back and wish there were still little feet and voices laughing. I was bedridden 10 years ago and boy do I miss the years I should have had with my children when they were young. The doctors gave up on me but I turned to doing the things I could do for myself...and surprised them by living. So I may not be able to work 40 hours but I can help people make a difference in the classes, so my reward is seeing them have hope again. Without health, you have little wealth I feel. So don't loose hope...I look for the little things I CAN do to be my reward. and the mom's on the street who work say they envy me staying home for I've become the neighborhood mom...if they only knew the whole story...but I keep focusing on ability, not dis-ability. boy is it hard somedays. So know you are not alone... Blessings, Marie www.anaturalplace.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 HGH therapy is pretty expensive and time-consuming. You have to include many doctors visits and a fair bit of lab work to find the level and montior it. An easier and cheaper method exists. By way of an example, I had mentioned the HGH and whey components of the Cheney program to an acquaintance who has FM and CFS but she found the HGH shots to be too expensive if you include the required monitoring and appointments. I told her that one of the clinical nutritionists I know who works in a large clinic with several doctors and a couple of chiropractors and reflexologists, uses a secretagogue. He says that when given to people with real bad rheumatoid arthritis and chronic fatigue or myalgia it produces very compelling results, and that in all his years of practice he has not seen a single therapy produce this caliber of result so quickly. He says he has personally seen dozens of people start getting results in only two to five days. The company says to establish a trend however, with a fair three-month trial. This vastly cheaper and safer approach is creating a pretty good buzz with longevity specialists and other MD's across North America. If anyone wants to look into it further I can provide some contact numbers. Long story short - she tried the secretagogue, the only amino acid stack the FDA allows to claim it increases HGH levels. She noted a difference in only two days and a short time later claimed pain-free status. She says you can talk to her if you like. In fact, she's gone back to cleaning houses. This without even trying the whey isolate part of the program. Admittedly she may be a very lucky responder, but when you also weigh the statements by these MD's and nutritionists, well.... HGH and HGH deficiency, and elevating HGH in FM and CFS patients has been briefly touched on (keywords: Cheney, Barclay)in one study but secretagogues have not been discussed. The reason may be that secretagogues that work like they're supposed to are relatively unknown - this secretagogue has been patented in the US only since Feb 12, 2002, although it's been about four years in Canada. One of the pluses of using the secretagogue is is much longer stage-4 sleep patterns. best regards, Duncan Crow P.S. I am a I am a health writer and wholistic therapist in Canada. I use a variety of tools in my practice, including electricity, colloidal silver and ozone therapy, but most of the work is done with nutritional and detoxification programs. >There are nutritional supplements that support your > body's production of HGH which the body makes to repair tissues when you > sleep. Problem with FM is that we don't stay in stage 4 long enough, we > get the more awake brain waves (alpha intrusions)when we sleep so we end > up with sore, tired bodies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 HGH therapy is pretty expensive and time-consuming. You have to include many doctors visits and a fair bit of lab work to find the level and montior it. An easier and cheaper method exists. By way of an example, I had mentioned the HGH and whey components of the Cheney program to an acquaintance who has FM and CFS but she found the HGH shots to be too expensive if you include the required monitoring and appointments. I told her that one of the clinical nutritionists I know who works in a large clinic with several doctors and a couple of chiropractors and reflexologists, uses a secretagogue. He says that when given to people with real bad rheumatoid arthritis and chronic fatigue or myalgia it produces very compelling results, and that in all his years of practice he has not seen a single therapy produce this caliber of result so quickly. He says he has personally seen dozens of people start getting results in only two to five days. The company says to establish a trend however, with a fair three-month trial. This vastly cheaper and safer approach is creating a pretty good buzz with longevity specialists and other MD's across North America. If anyone wants to look into it further I can provide some contact numbers. Long story short - she tried the secretagogue, the only amino acid stack the FDA allows to claim it increases HGH levels. She noted a difference in only two days and a short time later claimed pain-free status. She says you can talk to her if you like. In fact, she's gone back to cleaning houses. This without even trying the whey isolate part of the program. Admittedly she may be a very lucky responder, but when you also weigh the statements by these MD's and nutritionists, well.... HGH and HGH deficiency, and elevating HGH in FM and CFS patients has been briefly touched on (keywords: Cheney, Barclay)in one study but secretagogues have not been discussed. The reason may be that secretagogues that work like they're supposed to are relatively unknown - this secretagogue has been patented in the US only since Feb 12, 2002, although it's been about four years in Canada. One of the pluses of using the secretagogue is is much longer stage-4 sleep patterns. best regards, Duncan Crow P.S. I am a I am a health writer and wholistic therapist in Canada. I use a variety of tools in my practice, including electricity, colloidal silver and ozone therapy, but most of the work is done with nutritional and detoxification programs. >There are nutritional supplements that support your > body's production of HGH which the body makes to repair tissues when you > sleep. Problem with FM is that we don't stay in stage 4 long enough, we > get the more awake brain waves (alpha intrusions)when we sleep so we end > up with sore, tired bodies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 HGH therapy is pretty expensive and time-consuming. You have to include many doctors visits and a fair bit of lab work to find the level and montior it. An easier and cheaper method exists. By way of an example, I had mentioned the HGH and whey components of the Cheney program to an acquaintance who has FM and CFS but she found the HGH shots to be too expensive if you include the required monitoring and appointments. I told her that one of the clinical nutritionists I know who works in a large clinic with several doctors and a couple of chiropractors and reflexologists, uses a secretagogue. He says that when given to people with real bad rheumatoid arthritis and chronic fatigue or myalgia it produces very compelling results, and that in all his years of practice he has not seen a single therapy produce this caliber of result so quickly. He says he has personally seen dozens of people start getting results in only two to five days. The company says to establish a trend however, with a fair three-month trial. This vastly cheaper and safer approach is creating a pretty good buzz with longevity specialists and other MD's across North America. If anyone wants to look into it further I can provide some contact numbers. Long story short - she tried the secretagogue, the only amino acid stack the FDA allows to claim it increases HGH levels. She noted a difference in only two days and a short time later claimed pain-free status. She says you can talk to her if you like. In fact, she's gone back to cleaning houses. This without even trying the whey isolate part of the program. Admittedly she may be a very lucky responder, but when you also weigh the statements by these MD's and nutritionists, well.... HGH and HGH deficiency, and elevating HGH in FM and CFS patients has been briefly touched on (keywords: Cheney, Barclay)in one study but secretagogues have not been discussed. The reason may be that secretagogues that work like they're supposed to are relatively unknown - this secretagogue has been patented in the US only since Feb 12, 2002, although it's been about four years in Canada. One of the pluses of using the secretagogue is is much longer stage-4 sleep patterns. best regards, Duncan Crow P.S. I am a I am a health writer and wholistic therapist in Canada. I use a variety of tools in my practice, including electricity, colloidal silver and ozone therapy, but most of the work is done with nutritional and detoxification programs. >There are nutritional supplements that support your > body's production of HGH which the body makes to repair tissues when you > sleep. Problem with FM is that we don't stay in stage 4 long enough, we > get the more awake brain waves (alpha intrusions)when we sleep so we end > up with sore, tired bodies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 HGH therapy is pretty expensive and time-consuming. You have to include many doctors visits and a fair bit of lab work to find the level and montior it. An easier and cheaper method exists. By way of an example, I had mentioned the HGH and whey components of the Cheney program to an acquaintance who has FM and CFS but she found the HGH shots to be too expensive if you include the required monitoring and appointments. I told her that one of the clinical nutritionists I know who works in a large clinic with several doctors and a couple of chiropractors and reflexologists, uses a secretagogue. He says that when given to people with real bad rheumatoid arthritis and chronic fatigue or myalgia it produces very compelling results, and that in all his years of practice he has not seen a single therapy produce this caliber of result so quickly. He says he has personally seen dozens of people start getting results in only two to five days. The company says to establish a trend however, with a fair three-month trial. This vastly cheaper and safer approach is creating a pretty good buzz with longevity specialists and other MD's across North America. If anyone wants to look into it further I can provide some contact numbers. Long story short - she tried the secretagogue, the only amino acid stack the FDA allows to claim it increases HGH levels. She noted a difference in only two days and a short time later claimed pain-free status. She says you can talk to her if you like. In fact, she's gone back to cleaning houses. This without even trying the whey isolate part of the program. Admittedly she may be a very lucky responder, but when you also weigh the statements by these MD's and nutritionists, well.... HGH and HGH deficiency, and elevating HGH in FM and CFS patients has been briefly touched on (keywords: Cheney, Barclay)in one study but secretagogues have not been discussed. The reason may be that secretagogues that work like they're supposed to are relatively unknown - this secretagogue has been patented in the US only since Feb 12, 2002, although it's been about four years in Canada. One of the pluses of using the secretagogue is is much longer stage-4 sleep patterns. best regards, Duncan Crow P.S. I am a I am a health writer and wholistic therapist in Canada. I use a variety of tools in my practice, including electricity, colloidal silver and ozone therapy, but most of the work is done with nutritional and detoxification programs. >There are nutritional supplements that support your > body's production of HGH which the body makes to repair tissues when you > sleep. Problem with FM is that we don't stay in stage 4 long enough, we > get the more awake brain waves (alpha intrusions)when we sleep so we end > up with sore, tired bodies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 HGH therapy is pretty expensive and time-consuming. You have to include many doctors visits and a fair bit of lab work to find the level and montior it. An easier and cheaper method exists. By way of an example, I had mentioned the HGH and whey components of the Cheney program to an acquaintance who has FM and CFS but she found the HGH shots to be too expensive if you include the required monitoring and appointments. I told her that one of the clinical nutritionists I know who works in a large clinic with several doctors and a couple of chiropractors and reflexologists, uses a secretagogue. He says that when given to people with real bad rheumatoid arthritis and chronic fatigue or myalgia it produces very compelling results, and that in all his years of practice he has not seen a single therapy produce this caliber of result so quickly. He says he has personally seen dozens of people start getting results in only two to five days. The company says to establish a trend however, with a fair three-month trial. This vastly cheaper and safer approach is creating a pretty good buzz with longevity specialists and other MD's across North America. If anyone wants to look into it further I can provide some contact numbers. Long story short - she tried the secretagogue, the only amino acid stack the FDA allows to claim it increases HGH levels. She noted a difference in only two days and a short time later claimed pain-free status. She says you can talk to her if you like. In fact, she's gone back to cleaning houses. This without even trying the whey isolate part of the program. Admittedly she may be a very lucky responder, but when you also weigh the statements by these MD's and nutritionists, well.... HGH and HGH deficiency, and elevating HGH in FM and CFS patients has been briefly touched on (keywords: Cheney, Barclay)in one study but secretagogues have not been discussed. The reason may be that secretagogues that work like they're supposed to are relatively unknown - this secretagogue has been patented in the US only since Feb 12, 2002, although it's been about four years in Canada. One of the pluses of using the secretagogue is is much longer stage-4 sleep patterns. best regards, Duncan Crow P.S. I am a I am a health writer and wholistic therapist in Canada. I use a variety of tools in my practice, including electricity, colloidal silver and ozone therapy, but most of the work is done with nutritional and detoxification programs. >There are nutritional supplements that support your > body's production of HGH which the body makes to repair tissues when you > sleep. Problem with FM is that we don't stay in stage 4 long enough, we > get the more awake brain waves (alpha intrusions)when we sleep so we end > up with sore, tired bodies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2002 Report Share Posted June 9, 2002 HGH therapy is pretty expensive and time-consuming. You have to include many doctors visits and a fair bit of lab work to find the level and montior it. An easier and cheaper method exists. By way of an example, I had mentioned the HGH and whey components of the Cheney program to an acquaintance who has FM and CFS but she found the HGH shots to be too expensive if you include the required monitoring and appointments. I told her that one of the clinical nutritionists I know who works in a large clinic with several doctors and a couple of chiropractors and reflexologists, uses a secretagogue. He says that when given to people with real bad rheumatoid arthritis and chronic fatigue or myalgia it produces very compelling results, and that in all his years of practice he has not seen a single therapy produce this caliber of result so quickly. He says he has personally seen dozens of people start getting results in only two to five days. The company says to establish a trend however, with a fair three-month trial. This vastly cheaper and safer approach is creating a pretty good buzz with longevity specialists and other MD's across North America. If anyone wants to look into it further I can provide some contact numbers. Long story short - she tried the secretagogue, the only amino acid stack the FDA allows to claim it increases HGH levels. She noted a difference in only two days and a short time later claimed pain-free status. She says you can talk to her if you like. In fact, she's gone back to cleaning houses. This without even trying the whey isolate part of the program. Admittedly she may be a very lucky responder, but when you also weigh the statements by these MD's and nutritionists, well.... HGH and HGH deficiency, and elevating HGH in FM and CFS patients has been briefly touched on (keywords: Cheney, Barclay)in one study but secretagogues have not been discussed. The reason may be that secretagogues that work like they're supposed to are relatively unknown - this secretagogue has been patented in the US only since Feb 12, 2002, although it's been about four years in Canada. One of the pluses of using the secretagogue is is much longer stage-4 sleep patterns. best regards, Duncan Crow P.S. I am a I am a health writer and wholistic therapist in Canada. I use a variety of tools in my practice, including electricity, colloidal silver and ozone therapy, but most of the work is done with nutritional and detoxification programs. >There are nutritional supplements that support your > body's production of HGH which the body makes to repair tissues when you > sleep. Problem with FM is that we don't stay in stage 4 long enough, we > get the more awake brain waves (alpha intrusions)when we sleep so we end > up with sore, tired bodies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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