Re: stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/4/2005 9:06:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

richkare@... writes:

> Does anyone have any experience with either stomach/ digestive problems? Or

>

> an increase in thyroid problems after giving up cigarettes?

>

a couple of thoughts here...

stopping cigarettes often shows up existing hypo. although i was moderately

hypo for years apparently, it was only after i quit cigs that it became

severe. i've seen references in the literature about this phenomenon. the cig

keep

the metabolism up a little bit evidently.

I also have/had severe digestive problems because of the untreated hypo for

years and years. are you sure his diverticulois wasn't because of untreated

hypo? and that now hypo is just showing up more severely because of stopping

cigs and natural progresssion...and also thyroid hormone levels probably would

have dropped because of the surgery anyway.

To know what is going on with him - get a Free T4 and Free T3 test. If the

levels are in the lower 1/3, suspect hypo.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/4/2005 9:06:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

richkare@... writes:

> Does anyone have any experience with either stomach/ digestive problems? Or

>

> an increase in thyroid problems after giving up cigarettes?

>

a couple of thoughts here...

stopping cigarettes often shows up existing hypo. although i was moderately

hypo for years apparently, it was only after i quit cigs that it became

severe. i've seen references in the literature about this phenomenon. the cig

keep

the metabolism up a little bit evidently.

I also have/had severe digestive problems because of the untreated hypo for

years and years. are you sure his diverticulois wasn't because of untreated

hypo? and that now hypo is just showing up more severely because of stopping

cigs and natural progresssion...and also thyroid hormone levels probably would

have dropped because of the surgery anyway.

To know what is going on with him - get a Free T4 and Free T3 test. If the

levels are in the lower 1/3, suspect hypo.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

, there's a huge connection between smoking and thyroid

health.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/smoking.htm

I'd tried quitting for the last year and got no where, then when I

was diagnosed hypo and put on hormones when I tried it would feel

like i was sick all over again.

One of the things I discovered about smoking and how the addiction

works was from the testing I had done at a private clinic. Smoking

effects your serotonin and dopamine levels, being hypot affects them

too. When you smoke your levels rise each time, then fall between

cigarettes - when you quit that fall in neurotransmitters is one of

the big things that makes you so miserable. My doctor put me on

serotonin and dopamine precursors (5HTP and Tyrosine) and I cannot

tell you how much better I feel. I quit 4 weeks ago and it was a

walk in the park. No cravings, no mood swings, no need for more

thyroid hormones - I'm besides myself. I put my DH on the two amino

acids as well and he's a new man; he quit smoking too (20 year

smoker).

BTW, one of the reasons that anti depressants dont work when youre

hypot is due to the connection between depleted T3 levels and

serotonin. As well, tyrosine is the amino acid used to make

thyroxin - there's a complex connection between these two brain

chemicals, being hypot and getting well again.

Nat

> Hi,

>

> My DH had a temporary colostomy two years ago, due to a sudden

drastic

> infection from diverticulitis. He lost 25 lbs after being

hospitalized for

> over two weeks without taking food or water through his mouth.

Ever since

> then he started packing on the pounds and even after the reversal

procedure

> (removal of colostomy) he can't seem to lose weight despite

exercising

> daily and eating much less food than I do.He seems tired and

complains of

> foggy thoughts. Can such an operation (or gut problems in general)

CAUSE a

> thyroid problem to begin? Because before this happened he was

normal in

> weight, energy, mental acuity, etc. He thinks it's from stopping

cigarettes

> after the operation. I guess it is possible that nicotine is a

thyroid

> stimulant and stopping it lowers thyroid function. I have heard

other

> people say they became heavy and couldn't think clearly after

going off

> cigarettes.The doc wants him on Ritalin for ADD and welbutrin for

> depression but maybe the true cause is a thyroid problem that came

on later

> in life (he is 48).

>

> Does anyone have any experience with either stomach/ digestive

problems? Or

> an increase in thyroid problems after giving up cigarettes?

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements and the

amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to give up

smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant suggests.

He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that you took.

================================

Kallie, thanks

Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x a day.

300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the day

(divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete 3x a day,

45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to keep SAMe

from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large doses of

neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week, then I cut

back to half and that's what I'm on now.

My DH is taking a little less and a little differently; 100mgs 5HTP

at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine first thing in

the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone- the man

wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the alarm goes

off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for the day.

This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late because he'd

hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine is you

must also supplement with the other - as supplementing with only one

can cause the other to become depleted.

BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be a very

light sleeper.

Nat

[Guest guest]

, smoking, and quitting, is also really hard on the adrenals,

which can sometimes feel like thyroid. Then there's the stress

associated with quitting - stress can bring on hypothyroidism as

well.

When they say smoking is bad for you they really have no idea just

how bad it is.

N

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > My DH had a temporary colostomy two years ago, due to a sudden

> >drastic

> > > infection from diverticulitis. He lost 25 lbs after being

> >hospitalized for

> > > over two weeks without taking food or water through his mouth.

> >Ever since

> > > then he started packing on the pounds and even after the

reversal

> >procedure

> > > (removal of colostomy) he can't seem to lose weight despite

> >exercising

> > > daily and eating much less food than I do.He seems tired and

> >complains of

> > > foggy thoughts. Can such an operation (or gut problems in

general)

> >CAUSE a

> > > thyroid problem to begin? Because before this happened he was

> >normal in

> > > weight, energy, mental acuity, etc. He thinks it's from

stopping

> >cigarettes

> > > after the operation. I guess it is possible that nicotine is a

> >thyroid

> > > stimulant and stopping it lowers thyroid function. I have heard

> >other

> > > people say they became heavy and couldn't think clearly after

> >going off

> > > cigarettes.The doc wants him on Ritalin for ADD and welbutrin

for

> > > depression but maybe the true cause is a thyroid problem that

came

> >on later

> > > in life (he is 48).

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any experience with either stomach/ digestive

> >problems? Or

> > > an increase in thyroid problems after giving up cigarettes?

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't know about the increase in thyroid problems after quitting smoking, but

I do know that smoking raises your metabolism by 10-15%. So when you stop, your

metabolism slows down. Plus, since your hands aren't as busy any more, you eat.

And eat. And eat. Everything tastes so GOOD because smoking dulls the taste

buds, too! I gained 30 pounds when I quit, but I was really underweight then.

And after a couple years of hypo hell, I weigh a whole lot more than I did then.

Laurie

stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

Hi,

My DH had a temporary colostomy two years ago, due to a sudden drastic

infection from diverticulitis. He lost 25 lbs after being hospitalized for

over two weeks without taking food or water through his mouth. Ever since

then he started packing on the pounds and even after the reversal procedure

(removal of colostomy) he can't seem to lose weight despite exercising

daily and eating much less food than I do.He seems tired and complains of

foggy thoughts. Can such an operation (or gut problems in general) CAUSE a

thyroid problem to begin? Because before this happened he was normal in

weight, energy, mental acuity, etc. He thinks it's from stopping cigarettes

after the operation. I guess it is possible that nicotine is a thyroid

stimulant and stopping it lowers thyroid function. I have heard other

people say they became heavy and couldn't think clearly after going off

cigarettes.The doc wants him on Ritalin for ADD and welbutrin for

depression but maybe the true cause is a thyroid problem that came on later

in life (he is 48).

Does anyone have any experience with either stomach/ digestive problems? Or

an increase in thyroid problems after giving up cigarettes?

[Guest guest]

I don't know about the increase in thyroid problems after quitting smoking, but

I do know that smoking raises your metabolism by 10-15%. So when you stop, your

metabolism slows down. Plus, since your hands aren't as busy any more, you eat.

And eat. And eat. Everything tastes so GOOD because smoking dulls the taste

buds, too! I gained 30 pounds when I quit, but I was really underweight then.

And after a couple years of hypo hell, I weigh a whole lot more than I did then.

Laurie

stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

Hi,

My DH had a temporary colostomy two years ago, due to a sudden drastic

infection from diverticulitis. He lost 25 lbs after being hospitalized for

over two weeks without taking food or water through his mouth. Ever since

then he started packing on the pounds and even after the reversal procedure

(removal of colostomy) he can't seem to lose weight despite exercising

daily and eating much less food than I do.He seems tired and complains of

foggy thoughts. Can such an operation (or gut problems in general) CAUSE a

thyroid problem to begin? Because before this happened he was normal in

weight, energy, mental acuity, etc. He thinks it's from stopping cigarettes

after the operation. I guess it is possible that nicotine is a thyroid

stimulant and stopping it lowers thyroid function. I have heard other

people say they became heavy and couldn't think clearly after going off

cigarettes.The doc wants him on Ritalin for ADD and welbutrin for

depression but maybe the true cause is a thyroid problem that came on later

in life (he is 48).

Does anyone have any experience with either stomach/ digestive problems? Or

an increase in thyroid problems after giving up cigarettes?

[Guest guest]

I don't know about the increase in thyroid problems after quitting smoking, but

I do know that smoking raises your metabolism by 10-15%. So when you stop, your

metabolism slows down. Plus, since your hands aren't as busy any more, you eat.

And eat. And eat. Everything tastes so GOOD because smoking dulls the taste

buds, too! I gained 30 pounds when I quit, but I was really underweight then.

And after a couple years of hypo hell, I weigh a whole lot more than I did then.

Laurie

stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

Hi,

My DH had a temporary colostomy two years ago, due to a sudden drastic

infection from diverticulitis. He lost 25 lbs after being hospitalized for

over two weeks without taking food or water through his mouth. Ever since

then he started packing on the pounds and even after the reversal procedure

(removal of colostomy) he can't seem to lose weight despite exercising

daily and eating much less food than I do.He seems tired and complains of

foggy thoughts. Can such an operation (or gut problems in general) CAUSE a

thyroid problem to begin? Because before this happened he was normal in

weight, energy, mental acuity, etc. He thinks it's from stopping cigarettes

after the operation. I guess it is possible that nicotine is a thyroid

stimulant and stopping it lowers thyroid function. I have heard other

people say they became heavy and couldn't think clearly after going off

cigarettes.The doc wants him on Ritalin for ADD and welbutrin for

depression but maybe the true cause is a thyroid problem that came on later

in life (he is 48).

Does anyone have any experience with either stomach/ digestive problems? Or

an increase in thyroid problems after giving up cigarettes?

[Guest guest]

it is when I quit at 4 packs a day that everything went nuts. I am 100 pounds

heavier and I quit in 2000

Re: stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

I don't know about the increase in thyroid problems after quitting smoking,

but I do know that smoking raises your metabolism by 10-15%. So when you stop,

your metabolism slows down. Plus, since your hands aren't as busy any more, you

eat. And eat. And eat. Everything tastes so GOOD because smoking dulls the

taste buds, too! I gained 30 pounds when I quit, but I was really underweight

then. And after a couple years of hypo hell, I weigh a whole lot more than I

did then.

[Guest guest]

it is when I quit at 4 packs a day that everything went nuts. I am 100 pounds

heavier and I quit in 2000

Re: stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

I don't know about the increase in thyroid problems after quitting smoking,

but I do know that smoking raises your metabolism by 10-15%. So when you stop,

your metabolism slows down. Plus, since your hands aren't as busy any more, you

eat. And eat. And eat. Everything tastes so GOOD because smoking dulls the

taste buds, too! I gained 30 pounds when I quit, but I was really underweight

then. And after a couple years of hypo hell, I weigh a whole lot more than I

did then.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nat. Where do you get these supplements? I live in Canada and do

purchase from the US frequently.

Kallie

Re: stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

> Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements and the

amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to give up

smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant suggests.

He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that you took.

================================

Kallie, thanks

Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x a day.

300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the day

(divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete 3x a day,

45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to keep SAMe

from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large doses of

neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week, then I cut

back to half and that's what I'm on now.

My DH is taking a little less and a little differently; 100mgs 5HTP

at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine first thing in

the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone- the man

wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the alarm goes

off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for the day.

This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late because he'd

hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine is you

must also supplement with the other - as supplementing with only one

can cause the other to become depleted.

BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be a very

light sleeper.

Nat

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nat. Where do you get these supplements? I live in Canada and do

purchase from the US frequently.

Kallie

Re: stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

> Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements and the

amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to give up

smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant suggests.

He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that you took.

================================

Kallie, thanks

Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x a day.

300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the day

(divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete 3x a day,

45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to keep SAMe

from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large doses of

neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week, then I cut

back to half and that's what I'm on now.

My DH is taking a little less and a little differently; 100mgs 5HTP

at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine first thing in

the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone- the man

wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the alarm goes

off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for the day.

This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late because he'd

hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine is you

must also supplement with the other - as supplementing with only one

can cause the other to become depleted.

BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be a very

light sleeper.

Nat

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nat. Where do you get these supplements? I live in Canada and do

purchase from the US frequently.

Kallie

Re: stomache problems/ smoking cigarettes

> Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements and the

amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to give up

smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant suggests.

He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that you took.

================================

Kallie, thanks

Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x a day.

300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the day

(divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete 3x a day,

45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to keep SAMe

from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large doses of

neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week, then I cut

back to half and that's what I'm on now.

My DH is taking a little less and a little differently; 100mgs 5HTP

at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine first thing in

the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone- the man

wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the alarm goes

off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for the day.

This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late because he'd

hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine is you

must also supplement with the other - as supplementing with only one

can cause the other to become depleted.

BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be a very

light sleeper.

Nat

[Guest guest]

Kalli, I'm in Ottawa

Mine came from a compounding pharmacy (Nutrichem) but my DH's came

from whatever HFS I happend to be in that had them. I use NOW brand

tyrosine, Jarrow 5HTP, cysteine and selenium for him. He also takes

a potent Bmulti to get the b6 he needs. Its working just fine for

both of us. In fact, when my bottles of cysreplete and neuroreplete

are done I'm going to use the same stuff he uses, cause it's much

less expensive.

Nat

> Thanks Nat. Where do you get these supplements? I live in Canada

and do purchase from the US frequently.

>

> Kallie

> Re: stomache problems/ smoking

cigarettes

>

>

>

> > Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements and the

> amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to give

up

> smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant

suggests.

> He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that you

took.

>

> ================================

>

> Kallie, thanks

>

> Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x a

day.

> 300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the day

> (divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete 3x a

day,

> 45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to keep

SAMe

> from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large doses

of

> neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week, then I

cut

> back to half and that's what I'm on now.

>

> My DH is taking a little less and a little differently; 100mgs

5HTP

> at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine first

thing in

> the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone- the

man

> wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the alarm

goes

> off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for the

day.

> This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late because

he'd

> hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

>

> The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine is you

> must also supplement with the other - as supplementing with only

one

> can cause the other to become depleted.

>

> BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be a very

> light sleeper.

>

> Nat

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nat

I am in London, Ontario and appreciate your help.

Would you be willing to tell me how much of each supplement your husband is

taking?

THanks again

Kallie

Re: stomache problems/ smoking

cigarettes

>

>

>

> > Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements and the

> amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to give

up

> smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant

suggests.

> He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that you

took.

>

> ================================

>

> Kallie, thanks

>

> Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x a

day.

> 300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the day

> (divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete 3x a

day,

> 45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to keep

SAMe

> from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large doses

of

> neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week, then I

cut

> back to half and that's what I'm on now.

>

> My DH is taking a little less and a little differently; 100mgs

5HTP

> at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine first

thing in

> the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone- the

man

> wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the alarm

goes

> off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for the

day.

> This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late because

he'd

> hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

>

> The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine is you

> must also supplement with the other - as supplementing with only

one

> can cause the other to become depleted.

>

> BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be a very

> light sleeper.

>

> Nat

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nat

I am in London, Ontario and appreciate your help.

Would you be willing to tell me how much of each supplement your husband is

taking?

THanks again

Kallie

Re: stomache problems/ smoking

cigarettes

>

>

>

> > Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements and the

> amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to give

up

> smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant

suggests.

> He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that you

took.

>

> ================================

>

> Kallie, thanks

>

> Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x a

day.

> 300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the day

> (divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete 3x a

day,

> 45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to keep

SAMe

> from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large doses

of

> neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week, then I

cut

> back to half and that's what I'm on now.

>

> My DH is taking a little less and a little differently; 100mgs

5HTP

> at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine first

thing in

> the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone- the

man

> wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the alarm

goes

> off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for the

day.

> This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late because

he'd

> hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

>

> The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine is you

> must also supplement with the other - as supplementing with only

one

> can cause the other to become depleted.

>

> BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be a very

> light sleeper.

>

> Nat

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kallie, my Hubby is taking 1000mgs of tyrosine in the morning, right

when he gets up, 30 minutes before he eats anything. He takes 100

mgs of 5HTP at night, 30 minutes before bed. The ratio is 10:1

(tyrosine:5HTP), doses up to 200mgs of 5HTP are considered to have

minimal side effects (some people get upset tummies at first, we've

had no such side effects). At 300mgs 5HTP is used to help with

weight loss and depression (divided doses 3x a day, 100mgs). I'll

take anywhere from 100-300mgs a day 5HTP and the dose of tyrosine

that coincides (1000mgs - 3000mgs).

He also takes a b complex, Quest B50, because you need the Bs as

cofactors for much of the process of making the neurotransmitters.

If mood is an issue I'd also get some Vit D (D3 NOT d2) at least 800

IUs, especially in winter. Both Dh and I are taking 1600 IUs and

it's really helping my thyroid hormones and DH's winter time SAD.

HTH

Nat

> > Thanks Nat. Where do you get these supplements? I live in

Canada

> and do purchase from the US frequently.

> >

> > Kallie

> > Re: stomache problems/

smoking

> cigarettes

> >

> >

> >

> > > Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements

and the

> > amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to

give

> up

> > smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant

> suggests.

> > He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that

you

> took.

> >

> > ================================

> >

> > Kallie, thanks

> >

> > Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x

a

> day.

> > 300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the

day

> > (divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete

3x a

> day,

> > 45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to

keep

> SAMe

> > from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large

doses

> of

> > neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week,

then I

> cut

> > back to half and that's what I'm on now.

> >

> > My DH is taking a little less and a little differently;

100mgs

> 5HTP

> > at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine

first

> thing in

> > the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone-

the

> man

> > wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the

alarm

> goes

> > off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for

the

> day.

> > This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late

because

> he'd

> > hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

> >

> > The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine

is you

> > must also supplement with the other - as supplementing

with only

> one

> > can cause the other to become depleted.

> >

> > BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be

a very

> > light sleeper.

> >

> > Nat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kallie, my Hubby is taking 1000mgs of tyrosine in the morning, right

when he gets up, 30 minutes before he eats anything. He takes 100

mgs of 5HTP at night, 30 minutes before bed. The ratio is 10:1

(tyrosine:5HTP), doses up to 200mgs of 5HTP are considered to have

minimal side effects (some people get upset tummies at first, we've

had no such side effects). At 300mgs 5HTP is used to help with

weight loss and depression (divided doses 3x a day, 100mgs). I'll

take anywhere from 100-300mgs a day 5HTP and the dose of tyrosine

that coincides (1000mgs - 3000mgs).

He also takes a b complex, Quest B50, because you need the Bs as

cofactors for much of the process of making the neurotransmitters.

If mood is an issue I'd also get some Vit D (D3 NOT d2) at least 800

IUs, especially in winter. Both Dh and I are taking 1600 IUs and

it's really helping my thyroid hormones and DH's winter time SAD.

HTH

Nat

> > Thanks Nat. Where do you get these supplements? I live in

Canada

> and do purchase from the US frequently.

> >

> > Kallie

> > Re: stomache problems/

smoking

> cigarettes

> >

> >

> >

> > > Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements

and the

> > amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to

give

> up

> > smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant

> suggests.

> > He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that

you

> took.

> >

> > ================================

> >

> > Kallie, thanks

> >

> > Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x

a

> day.

> > 300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the

day

> > (divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete

3x a

> day,

> > 45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to

keep

> SAMe

> > from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large

doses

> of

> > neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week,

then I

> cut

> > back to half and that's what I'm on now.

> >

> > My DH is taking a little less and a little differently;

100mgs

> 5HTP

> > at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine

first

> thing in

> > the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone-

the

> man

> > wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the

alarm

> goes

> > off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for

the

> day.

> > This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late

because

> he'd

> > hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

> >

> > The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine

is you

> > must also supplement with the other - as supplementing

with only

> one

> > can cause the other to become depleted.

> >

> > BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be

a very

> > light sleeper.

> >

> > Nat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kallie, my Hubby is taking 1000mgs of tyrosine in the morning, right

when he gets up, 30 minutes before he eats anything. He takes 100

mgs of 5HTP at night, 30 minutes before bed. The ratio is 10:1

(tyrosine:5HTP), doses up to 200mgs of 5HTP are considered to have

minimal side effects (some people get upset tummies at first, we've

had no such side effects). At 300mgs 5HTP is used to help with

weight loss and depression (divided doses 3x a day, 100mgs). I'll

take anywhere from 100-300mgs a day 5HTP and the dose of tyrosine

that coincides (1000mgs - 3000mgs).

He also takes a b complex, Quest B50, because you need the Bs as

cofactors for much of the process of making the neurotransmitters.

If mood is an issue I'd also get some Vit D (D3 NOT d2) at least 800

IUs, especially in winter. Both Dh and I are taking 1600 IUs and

it's really helping my thyroid hormones and DH's winter time SAD.

HTH

Nat

> > Thanks Nat. Where do you get these supplements? I live in

Canada

> and do purchase from the US frequently.

> >

> > Kallie

> > Re: stomache problems/

smoking

> cigarettes

> >

> >

> >

> > > Would you please tell us Nat exactly what supplements

and the

> > amounts that you used? My son-in-law has not been able to

give

> up

> > smoking and won't take the number of supplements Dr. Gant

> suggests.

> > He might be willing to take the few (as I hear you) that

you

> took.

> >

> > ================================

> >

> > Kallie, thanks

> >

> > Sure, I was on a combination called Neuroreplete taken 2x

a

> day.

> > 300mgs 5HTP / 3000mgs tyrosine / 75mgs B6 total for the

day

> > (divided, at 8 am and at 4 pm). I was also on Cysteplete

3x a

> day,

> > 45000mgs cysteine HCL / 450 mcgs selenium - this was to

keep

> SAMe

> > from dropping, which can happen in some cases with large

doses

> of

> > neurtransmitters. I took the full dose for about a week,

then I

> cut

> > back to half and that's what I'm on now.

> >

> > My DH is taking a little less and a little differently;

100mgs

> 5HTP

> > at night, 30 m inutes before bed and 1000mgs tyrosine

first

> thing in

> > the morning. He's also quit smoking and his SAD is gone-

the

> man

> > wakes up in the morning happy, before his alarm (and the

alarm

> goes

> > off at 5 am). He sleeps his 8 hours and then he's up for

the

> day.

> > This is unheard of for him - he used to always be late

because

> he'd

> > hit the snooze buttong 4 or 5 times.

> >

> > The thing with supplementing with either 5HTP or tyrosine

is you

> > must also supplement with the other - as supplementing

with only

> one

> > can cause the other to become depleted.

> >

> > BTW, I am now sleeping through the night and I used to be

a very

> > light sleeper.

> >

> > Nat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >