Re: Hashimoto's, mitral valve prolapse and palpitations

[Guest guest]

Get on Armour! I am not an expert, but, I think

everyone here will agree that you need to find someone

to prescribe you some Armour.

Kerry

--- Wertheim swertheim@...> wrote:

>

> I'm a 50 year old male. Two and a half years ago at

> a

> routine physical my internist informed me I have

> hypothyroid. Referred to an endocrinologist, I was

> diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis. For the

> next 18

> months my dosage of Synthroid was gradually

> increased up

> to 150 mcgs. At that dose I felt great at first and

> even

> lost 8 lbs dieting. Then the palpitations started.

> I was

> reluctant to start backing down the dosage but after

> a

> few months I started reducing the dosage. I went to

> 125

> mcg and was without palpitations for 3 weeks. Then

> they

> returned. I went to 100 mcgs and the palpitations

> stopped for a month and then returned. My TSH

> stayed

> under 4. In fact it was going down with each

> decrease in

> Synthroid. My endocrinologist suggested I stop the

> Synthroid altogether to see what happened. My TSH

> went

> up to 11. The palpitations stopped for the three

> weeks

> until I resumed the Synthroid at 50 mcg. The

> palpitations returned and after two weeks I stopped

> the

> Synthroid again. (TSH = 9). Then something

> unexpected

> happened. The palpitations didn't stop - even with

> no

> Synthroid after over a week. The palpitations did

> stop a

> week ago after I stopped my 8 oz of coffee a day and

> my

> one beer a day.

>

> Right around the time I stopped the 100 mcgs, about

> 6

> weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

> Prolapse by

> a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. So I now attribute all

> of the

> palpitations to the MVP. And I guess the synthroid

> simply triggered the palpitations. On the chance

> that I was somehow

> reacting to the Synthroid brand, I switched

> to Levoxil for the 50 mcg trial. No difference.

>

> I'm in a bit of a bind now. Today my TSH was 12.6.

> It's

> been almost 3 weeks with no hormone supplement. I'm

> afraid to start the hormone supplement again because

> the

> palpitations are very unpleasant.

>

> Any thoughts on all of this? Any words of wisdom

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Get on Armour! I am not an expert, but, I think

everyone here will agree that you need to find someone

to prescribe you some Armour.

Kerry

--- Wertheim swertheim@...> wrote:

>

> I'm a 50 year old male. Two and a half years ago at

> a

> routine physical my internist informed me I have

> hypothyroid. Referred to an endocrinologist, I was

> diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis. For the

> next 18

> months my dosage of Synthroid was gradually

> increased up

> to 150 mcgs. At that dose I felt great at first and

> even

> lost 8 lbs dieting. Then the palpitations started.

> I was

> reluctant to start backing down the dosage but after

> a

> few months I started reducing the dosage. I went to

> 125

> mcg and was without palpitations for 3 weeks. Then

> they

> returned. I went to 100 mcgs and the palpitations

> stopped for a month and then returned. My TSH

> stayed

> under 4. In fact it was going down with each

> decrease in

> Synthroid. My endocrinologist suggested I stop the

> Synthroid altogether to see what happened. My TSH

> went

> up to 11. The palpitations stopped for the three

> weeks

> until I resumed the Synthroid at 50 mcg. The

> palpitations returned and after two weeks I stopped

> the

> Synthroid again. (TSH = 9). Then something

> unexpected

> happened. The palpitations didn't stop - even with

> no

> Synthroid after over a week. The palpitations did

> stop a

> week ago after I stopped my 8 oz of coffee a day and

> my

> one beer a day.

>

> Right around the time I stopped the 100 mcgs, about

> 6

> weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

> Prolapse by

> a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. So I now attribute all

> of the

> palpitations to the MVP. And I guess the synthroid

> simply triggered the palpitations. On the chance

> that I was somehow

> reacting to the Synthroid brand, I switched

> to Levoxil for the 50 mcg trial. No difference.

>

> I'm in a bit of a bind now. Today my TSH was 12.6.

> It's

> been almost 3 weeks with no hormone supplement. I'm

> afraid to start the hormone supplement again because

> the

> palpitations are very unpleasant.

>

> Any thoughts on all of this? Any words of wisdom

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Get on Armour! I am not an expert, but, I think

everyone here will agree that you need to find someone

to prescribe you some Armour.

Kerry

--- Wertheim swertheim@...> wrote:

>

> I'm a 50 year old male. Two and a half years ago at

> a

> routine physical my internist informed me I have

> hypothyroid. Referred to an endocrinologist, I was

> diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis. For the

> next 18

> months my dosage of Synthroid was gradually

> increased up

> to 150 mcgs. At that dose I felt great at first and

> even

> lost 8 lbs dieting. Then the palpitations started.

> I was

> reluctant to start backing down the dosage but after

> a

> few months I started reducing the dosage. I went to

> 125

> mcg and was without palpitations for 3 weeks. Then

> they

> returned. I went to 100 mcgs and the palpitations

> stopped for a month and then returned. My TSH

> stayed

> under 4. In fact it was going down with each

> decrease in

> Synthroid. My endocrinologist suggested I stop the

> Synthroid altogether to see what happened. My TSH

> went

> up to 11. The palpitations stopped for the three

> weeks

> until I resumed the Synthroid at 50 mcg. The

> palpitations returned and after two weeks I stopped

> the

> Synthroid again. (TSH = 9). Then something

> unexpected

> happened. The palpitations didn't stop - even with

> no

> Synthroid after over a week. The palpitations did

> stop a

> week ago after I stopped my 8 oz of coffee a day and

> my

> one beer a day.

>

> Right around the time I stopped the 100 mcgs, about

> 6

> weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

> Prolapse by

> a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. So I now attribute all

> of the

> palpitations to the MVP. And I guess the synthroid

> simply triggered the palpitations. On the chance

> that I was somehow

> reacting to the Synthroid brand, I switched

> to Levoxil for the 50 mcg trial. No difference.

>

> I'm in a bit of a bind now. Today my TSH was 12.6.

> It's

> been almost 3 weeks with no hormone supplement. I'm

> afraid to start the hormone supplement again because

> the

> palpitations are very unpleasant.

>

> Any thoughts on all of this? Any words of wisdom

> greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve. There is a good reason that this site exists---because

Armour is a far superior treatment than any T4-only med. So as

simply and concise as Kerry said it, find someone who will put you

on Armour. They also need to test your free's, and not leave you on

the introductory dose much longer than 2-3 weeks. You will then need

to raise. You also need a doc who allow you to dose by symptoms, NOT

the TSH, which on an optimal dose, WILL be below one, and your free

T3 at the top of the range.

I have MVP. When I started on Armour, I had palps, but they

subsided. Each time I raised my dose, I had palps, but they subsided

within a week of each raise. I have discovered that those with MVP

need to raise by small increments to allow the heart to adjust.

I have also discovered that certain substances make me palp. One is

GINGER, which I take in capsule form to control my tendonitis. I can

take one 550 mg. capsule of Ginger Root fine. BUT......if I try 2

capsules, within a few weeks, I am palping all over the place.

Sounds like your coffee and beer didn't help you at all.

Janie

>

>

> I'm in a bit of a bind now. Today my TSH was 12.6. It's

> been almost 3 weeks with no hormone supplement. I'm

> afraid to start the hormone supplement again because the

> palpitations are very unpleasant.

>

> Any thoughts on all of this? Any words of wisdom greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve. There is a good reason that this site exists---because

Armour is a far superior treatment than any T4-only med. So as

simply and concise as Kerry said it, find someone who will put you

on Armour. They also need to test your free's, and not leave you on

the introductory dose much longer than 2-3 weeks. You will then need

to raise. You also need a doc who allow you to dose by symptoms, NOT

the TSH, which on an optimal dose, WILL be below one, and your free

T3 at the top of the range.

I have MVP. When I started on Armour, I had palps, but they

subsided. Each time I raised my dose, I had palps, but they subsided

within a week of each raise. I have discovered that those with MVP

need to raise by small increments to allow the heart to adjust.

I have also discovered that certain substances make me palp. One is

GINGER, which I take in capsule form to control my tendonitis. I can

take one 550 mg. capsule of Ginger Root fine. BUT......if I try 2

capsules, within a few weeks, I am palping all over the place.

Sounds like your coffee and beer didn't help you at all.

Janie

>

>

> I'm in a bit of a bind now. Today my TSH was 12.6. It's

> been almost 3 weeks with no hormone supplement. I'm

> afraid to start the hormone supplement again because the

> palpitations are very unpleasant.

>

> Any thoughts on all of this? Any words of wisdom greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve. There is a good reason that this site exists---because

Armour is a far superior treatment than any T4-only med. So as

simply and concise as Kerry said it, find someone who will put you

on Armour. They also need to test your free's, and not leave you on

the introductory dose much longer than 2-3 weeks. You will then need

to raise. You also need a doc who allow you to dose by symptoms, NOT

the TSH, which on an optimal dose, WILL be below one, and your free

T3 at the top of the range.

I have MVP. When I started on Armour, I had palps, but they

subsided. Each time I raised my dose, I had palps, but they subsided

within a week of each raise. I have discovered that those with MVP

need to raise by small increments to allow the heart to adjust.

I have also discovered that certain substances make me palp. One is

GINGER, which I take in capsule form to control my tendonitis. I can

take one 550 mg. capsule of Ginger Root fine. BUT......if I try 2

capsules, within a few weeks, I am palping all over the place.

Sounds like your coffee and beer didn't help you at all.

Janie

>

>

> I'm in a bit of a bind now. Today my TSH was 12.6. It's

> been almost 3 weeks with no hormone supplement. I'm

> afraid to start the hormone supplement again because the

> palpitations are very unpleasant.

>

> Any thoughts on all of this? Any words of wisdom greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

> I'm a 50 year old male. . . I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. . .about 6 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

Prolapse by a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. . . Any thoughts on all of this? Any

words of wisdom greatly appreciated.

>

> Steve

____________

Steve,

I would like to offer my 2 cents worth about the mitral valve

prolapse. There is a strong connection to magnesium deficiency - and

magnesium is a very crucial mineral for the proper function of the

thyroid.

I am going to paste parts of one medical reference - and the abstract

of another reference that you may find intersting:

Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Mitral Valve Prolapse

Leo D. Galland, Sidney M. Baker, K McLellan

Gesell Institute of Human Development, New Haven, Conn., USA

Abstract

Idiopathic mitral valve prolapse (MVP) is the commonest valvular

disorder in industrialized nations. It is predominantly a familial

condition, showing Mendelian dominance with delayed and variable

penetrance. Although hyperkinesis and hypertrophy of the left

ventricle have been described in MVP, its histopathology, somatic

morphology and genetics support the leading theory that MVP results

from a hereditary disorder of connective tissue. Latent tetany (LT)

due to chronic Mg deficit (Mg-D) occurs in over 8 5 % of MVP cases;

MVP complicates 26% of LT. Mg-D can explain many clinical features of

the MVP syndrome which are not easily explained by its genetics. Mg-D

hinders the mechanism by which fibroblasts degrade defective collagen,

increases circulating catecholamines, predisposes to cardiac

arrhythmias, thromboembolic phenomena and dysregulation of the immune

and autonomic nervous systems. Mg therapy provides relief of MVP symptoms.

Fibroblasts continually produce defective collagen and delete it by a

process which is cAMP activated [3, 5]. Adenylate cyclase is Mg

dependent [12] and Mg-D is associated with defective activity of some

cAMP-dependent pathways

Most features of the MVP syndrome can be attributed to direct

physiological effects of Mg-D or to secondary effects produced by

blockade of EFA desaturation. These include valvular collagen

dissolution, ventricular hyperkinesis, cardiac arrhythmias, occasional

thromboembolic phenomena. autonomic dysregulation and association with

LT, pelvic fibrosis, autoimmune disease, anxiety disorders, allergy

and chronic candidiasis.

Hypornagnesemic LT is the commonest metabolic disturbance in patients

with MVP. Identification and correction of pre- and postnatal Mg-D may

delay or prevent the appearance of the MVP syndrome in genetically

prone individuals.

Ter Arkh. 2000;72(9):67-70.

New approaches to the treatment of patients with idiopathic mitral

valve prolapse [Article in Russian]

Martynov AI, Stepura OB, Shekhter AB, Mel'nik OO, Pak LS, Ushakova TI.

AIM: To assess efficiency of magnerot, magnesium orotate, in patients

with idiopathic mitral prolapse (IMP). MATERIAL AND METHODS: 84

patients with IMP were randomized to the study group (43 patients) and

control group (41 patients). Patients of the study group received

magnerot tablets (Germany) containing 500 mg of magnesium orotate

(daily dose 3000 mg) for 6 months. The examination performed before

the treatment and 6 months after it included: modified clinical and

phenotypic records, echocardiography, 24-h ECG and AP monitoring,

spectral analysis of cardiac rhythm variability, evaluation of quality

of life according to Visual Analog Scale and Disability Scale and of

treatment results according to Clinical Global Impression scales,

measurements of magnesium in the hair by plasmic nuclear emission

spectrometry, histological and histochemical skin tests. RESULTS: IMP

patients appeared to suffer from magnesium deficiency which is

responsible for many symptoms in mitral prolapse. 6-month therapy with

magnerot completely or partially reduced the symptoms in more than

half the patients. Positive changes were registered primarily in

clinicofunctional manifestations. Morphological changes in the skin

correlating with the disease severity alleviated. CONCLUSION: Good

objective and subjective response to magnerot 6-month therapy (3000

mg/day) is demonstrated.

Publication Types:

• Clinical Trial

• Randomized Controlled Trial

__

Please consider supplementing with LOTS of magnesium (at least 1000 mg

per day). It is the least toxic and least expensive thing anyone can do.

Good luck,

Winona

[Guest guest]

> I'm a 50 year old male. . . I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. . .about 6 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

Prolapse by a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. . . Any thoughts on all of this? Any

words of wisdom greatly appreciated.

>

> Steve

____________

Steve,

I would like to offer my 2 cents worth about the mitral valve

prolapse. There is a strong connection to magnesium deficiency - and

magnesium is a very crucial mineral for the proper function of the

thyroid.

I am going to paste parts of one medical reference - and the abstract

of another reference that you may find intersting:

Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Mitral Valve Prolapse

Leo D. Galland, Sidney M. Baker, K McLellan

Gesell Institute of Human Development, New Haven, Conn., USA

Abstract

Idiopathic mitral valve prolapse (MVP) is the commonest valvular

disorder in industrialized nations. It is predominantly a familial

condition, showing Mendelian dominance with delayed and variable

penetrance. Although hyperkinesis and hypertrophy of the left

ventricle have been described in MVP, its histopathology, somatic

morphology and genetics support the leading theory that MVP results

from a hereditary disorder of connective tissue. Latent tetany (LT)

due to chronic Mg deficit (Mg-D) occurs in over 8 5 % of MVP cases;

MVP complicates 26% of LT. Mg-D can explain many clinical features of

the MVP syndrome which are not easily explained by its genetics. Mg-D

hinders the mechanism by which fibroblasts degrade defective collagen,

increases circulating catecholamines, predisposes to cardiac

arrhythmias, thromboembolic phenomena and dysregulation of the immune

and autonomic nervous systems. Mg therapy provides relief of MVP symptoms.

Fibroblasts continually produce defective collagen and delete it by a

process which is cAMP activated [3, 5]. Adenylate cyclase is Mg

dependent [12] and Mg-D is associated with defective activity of some

cAMP-dependent pathways

Most features of the MVP syndrome can be attributed to direct

physiological effects of Mg-D or to secondary effects produced by

blockade of EFA desaturation. These include valvular collagen

dissolution, ventricular hyperkinesis, cardiac arrhythmias, occasional

thromboembolic phenomena. autonomic dysregulation and association with

LT, pelvic fibrosis, autoimmune disease, anxiety disorders, allergy

and chronic candidiasis.

Hypornagnesemic LT is the commonest metabolic disturbance in patients

with MVP. Identification and correction of pre- and postnatal Mg-D may

delay or prevent the appearance of the MVP syndrome in genetically

prone individuals.

Ter Arkh. 2000;72(9):67-70.

New approaches to the treatment of patients with idiopathic mitral

valve prolapse [Article in Russian]

Martynov AI, Stepura OB, Shekhter AB, Mel'nik OO, Pak LS, Ushakova TI.

AIM: To assess efficiency of magnerot, magnesium orotate, in patients

with idiopathic mitral prolapse (IMP). MATERIAL AND METHODS: 84

patients with IMP were randomized to the study group (43 patients) and

control group (41 patients). Patients of the study group received

magnerot tablets (Germany) containing 500 mg of magnesium orotate

(daily dose 3000 mg) for 6 months. The examination performed before

the treatment and 6 months after it included: modified clinical and

phenotypic records, echocardiography, 24-h ECG and AP monitoring,

spectral analysis of cardiac rhythm variability, evaluation of quality

of life according to Visual Analog Scale and Disability Scale and of

treatment results according to Clinical Global Impression scales,

measurements of magnesium in the hair by plasmic nuclear emission

spectrometry, histological and histochemical skin tests. RESULTS: IMP

patients appeared to suffer from magnesium deficiency which is

responsible for many symptoms in mitral prolapse. 6-month therapy with

magnerot completely or partially reduced the symptoms in more than

half the patients. Positive changes were registered primarily in

clinicofunctional manifestations. Morphological changes in the skin

correlating with the disease severity alleviated. CONCLUSION: Good

objective and subjective response to magnerot 6-month therapy (3000

mg/day) is demonstrated.

Publication Types:

• Clinical Trial

• Randomized Controlled Trial

__

Please consider supplementing with LOTS of magnesium (at least 1000 mg

per day). It is the least toxic and least expensive thing anyone can do.

Good luck,

Winona

[Guest guest]

> I'm a 50 year old male. . . I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. . .about 6 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

Prolapse by a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. . . Any thoughts on all of this? Any

words of wisdom greatly appreciated.

>

> Steve

____________

Steve,

I would like to offer my 2 cents worth about the mitral valve

prolapse. There is a strong connection to magnesium deficiency - and

magnesium is a very crucial mineral for the proper function of the

thyroid.

I am going to paste parts of one medical reference - and the abstract

of another reference that you may find intersting:

Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Mitral Valve Prolapse

Leo D. Galland, Sidney M. Baker, K McLellan

Gesell Institute of Human Development, New Haven, Conn., USA

Abstract

Idiopathic mitral valve prolapse (MVP) is the commonest valvular

disorder in industrialized nations. It is predominantly a familial

condition, showing Mendelian dominance with delayed and variable

penetrance. Although hyperkinesis and hypertrophy of the left

ventricle have been described in MVP, its histopathology, somatic

morphology and genetics support the leading theory that MVP results

from a hereditary disorder of connective tissue. Latent tetany (LT)

due to chronic Mg deficit (Mg-D) occurs in over 8 5 % of MVP cases;

MVP complicates 26% of LT. Mg-D can explain many clinical features of

the MVP syndrome which are not easily explained by its genetics. Mg-D

hinders the mechanism by which fibroblasts degrade defective collagen,

increases circulating catecholamines, predisposes to cardiac

arrhythmias, thromboembolic phenomena and dysregulation of the immune

and autonomic nervous systems. Mg therapy provides relief of MVP symptoms.

Fibroblasts continually produce defective collagen and delete it by a

process which is cAMP activated [3, 5]. Adenylate cyclase is Mg

dependent [12] and Mg-D is associated with defective activity of some

cAMP-dependent pathways

Most features of the MVP syndrome can be attributed to direct

physiological effects of Mg-D or to secondary effects produced by

blockade of EFA desaturation. These include valvular collagen

dissolution, ventricular hyperkinesis, cardiac arrhythmias, occasional

thromboembolic phenomena. autonomic dysregulation and association with

LT, pelvic fibrosis, autoimmune disease, anxiety disorders, allergy

and chronic candidiasis.

Hypornagnesemic LT is the commonest metabolic disturbance in patients

with MVP. Identification and correction of pre- and postnatal Mg-D may

delay or prevent the appearance of the MVP syndrome in genetically

prone individuals.

Ter Arkh. 2000;72(9):67-70.

New approaches to the treatment of patients with idiopathic mitral

valve prolapse [Article in Russian]

Martynov AI, Stepura OB, Shekhter AB, Mel'nik OO, Pak LS, Ushakova TI.

AIM: To assess efficiency of magnerot, magnesium orotate, in patients

with idiopathic mitral prolapse (IMP). MATERIAL AND METHODS: 84

patients with IMP were randomized to the study group (43 patients) and

control group (41 patients). Patients of the study group received

magnerot tablets (Germany) containing 500 mg of magnesium orotate

(daily dose 3000 mg) for 6 months. The examination performed before

the treatment and 6 months after it included: modified clinical and

phenotypic records, echocardiography, 24-h ECG and AP monitoring,

spectral analysis of cardiac rhythm variability, evaluation of quality

of life according to Visual Analog Scale and Disability Scale and of

treatment results according to Clinical Global Impression scales,

measurements of magnesium in the hair by plasmic nuclear emission

spectrometry, histological and histochemical skin tests. RESULTS: IMP

patients appeared to suffer from magnesium deficiency which is

responsible for many symptoms in mitral prolapse. 6-month therapy with

magnerot completely or partially reduced the symptoms in more than

half the patients. Positive changes were registered primarily in

clinicofunctional manifestations. Morphological changes in the skin

correlating with the disease severity alleviated. CONCLUSION: Good

objective and subjective response to magnerot 6-month therapy (3000

mg/day) is demonstrated.

Publication Types:

• Clinical Trial

• Randomized Controlled Trial

__

Please consider supplementing with LOTS of magnesium (at least 1000 mg

per day). It is the least toxic and least expensive thing anyone can do.

Good luck,

Winona

[Guest guest]

Winona,

Thank you I'm taking this to my folks. My mom has this, I have this,

and I'm afraid DH and my own DF have this, too.

BTW, Epsom Salt baths are another way to supplement Mg.

Thank you!!

....

Re: Hashimoto's, mitral valve prolapse and

palpitations

> I'm a 50 year old male. . . I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. . .about 6 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

Prolapse by a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. . . Any thoughts on all of this? Any

words of wisdom greatly appreciated.

>

> Steve

____________

Steve,

I would like to offer my 2 cents worth about the mitral valve

prolapse. There is a strong connection to magnesium deficiency - and

magnesium is a very crucial mineral for the proper function of the

thyroid.

I am going to paste parts of one medical reference - and the abstract

of another reference that you may find intersting:

Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Mitral Valve Prolapse

Leo D. Galland, Sidney M. Baker, K McLellan

Gesell Institute of Human Development, New Haven, Conn., USA

Abstract

Idiopathic mitral valve prolapse (MVP) is the commonest valvular

disorder in industrialized nations. It is predominantly a familial

condition, showing Mendelian dominance with delayed and variable

penetrance. Although hyperkinesis and hypertrophy of the left

ventricle have been described in MVP, its histopathology, somatic

morphology and genetics support the leading theory that MVP results

from a hereditary disorder of connective tissue. Latent tetany (LT)

due to chronic Mg deficit (Mg-D) occurs in over 8 5 % of MVP cases;

MVP complicates 26% of LT. Mg-D can explain many clinical features of

the MVP syndrome which are not easily explained by its genetics. Mg-D

hinders the mechanism by which fibroblasts degrade defective collagen,

increases circulating catecholamines, predisposes to cardiac

arrhythmias, thromboembolic phenomena and dysregulation of the immune

and autonomic nervous systems. Mg therapy provides relief of MVP symptoms.

Fibroblasts continually produce defective collagen and delete it by a

process which is cAMP activated [3, 5]. Adenylate cyclase is Mg

dependent [12] and Mg-D is associated with defective activity of some

cAMP-dependent pathways

Most features of the MVP syndrome can be attributed to direct

physiological effects of Mg-D or to secondary effects produced by

blockade of EFA desaturation. These include valvular collagen

dissolution, ventricular hyperkinesis, cardiac arrhythmias, occasional

thromboembolic phenomena. autonomic dysregulation and association with

LT, pelvic fibrosis, autoimmune disease, anxiety disorders, allergy

and chronic candidiasis.

Hypornagnesemic LT is the commonest metabolic disturbance in patients

with MVP. Identification and correction of pre- and postnatal Mg-D may

delay or prevent the appearance of the MVP syndrome in genetically

prone individuals.

Ter Arkh. 2000;72(9):67-70.

New approaches to the treatment of patients with idiopathic mitral

valve prolapse [Article in Russian]

Martynov AI, Stepura OB, Shekhter AB, Mel'nik OO, Pak LS, Ushakova TI.

AIM: To assess efficiency of magnerot, magnesium orotate, in patients

with idiopathic mitral prolapse (IMP). MATERIAL AND METHODS: 84

patients with IMP were randomized to the study group (43 patients) and

control group (41 patients). Patients of the study group received

magnerot tablets (Germany) containing 500 mg of magnesium orotate

(daily dose 3000 mg) for 6 months. The examination performed before

the treatment and 6 months after it included: modified clinical and

phenotypic records, echocardiography, 24-h ECG and AP monitoring,

spectral analysis of cardiac rhythm variability, evaluation of quality

of life according to Visual Analog Scale and Disability Scale and of

treatment results according to Clinical Global Impression scales,

measurements of magnesium in the hair by plasmic nuclear emission

spectrometry, histological and histochemical skin tests. RESULTS: IMP

patients appeared to suffer from magnesium deficiency which is

responsible for many symptoms in mitral prolapse. 6-month therapy with

magnerot completely or partially reduced the symptoms in more than

half the patients. Positive changes were registered primarily in

clinicofunctional manifestations. Morphological changes in the skin

correlating with the disease severity alleviated. CONCLUSION: Good

objective and subjective response to magnerot 6-month therapy (3000

mg/day) is demonstrated.

Publication Types:

. Clinical Trial

. Randomized Controlled Trial

__

Please consider supplementing with LOTS of magnesium (at least 1000 mg

per day). It is the least toxic and least expensive thing anyone can do.

Good luck,

Winona

[Guest guest]

Winona,

Thank you I'm taking this to my folks. My mom has this, I have this,

and I'm afraid DH and my own DF have this, too.

BTW, Epsom Salt baths are another way to supplement Mg.

Thank you!!

....

Re: Hashimoto's, mitral valve prolapse and

palpitations

> I'm a 50 year old male. . . I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. . .about 6 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

Prolapse by a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. . . Any thoughts on all of this? Any

words of wisdom greatly appreciated.

>

> Steve

____________

Steve,

I would like to offer my 2 cents worth about the mitral valve

prolapse. There is a strong connection to magnesium deficiency - and

magnesium is a very crucial mineral for the proper function of the

thyroid.

I am going to paste parts of one medical reference - and the abstract

of another reference that you may find intersting:

Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Mitral Valve Prolapse

Leo D. Galland, Sidney M. Baker, K McLellan

Gesell Institute of Human Development, New Haven, Conn., USA

Abstract

Idiopathic mitral valve prolapse (MVP) is the commonest valvular

disorder in industrialized nations. It is predominantly a familial

condition, showing Mendelian dominance with delayed and variable

penetrance. Although hyperkinesis and hypertrophy of the left

ventricle have been described in MVP, its histopathology, somatic

morphology and genetics support the leading theory that MVP results

from a hereditary disorder of connective tissue. Latent tetany (LT)

due to chronic Mg deficit (Mg-D) occurs in over 8 5 % of MVP cases;

MVP complicates 26% of LT. Mg-D can explain many clinical features of

the MVP syndrome which are not easily explained by its genetics. Mg-D

hinders the mechanism by which fibroblasts degrade defective collagen,

increases circulating catecholamines, predisposes to cardiac

arrhythmias, thromboembolic phenomena and dysregulation of the immune

and autonomic nervous systems. Mg therapy provides relief of MVP symptoms.

Fibroblasts continually produce defective collagen and delete it by a

process which is cAMP activated [3, 5]. Adenylate cyclase is Mg

dependent [12] and Mg-D is associated with defective activity of some

cAMP-dependent pathways

Most features of the MVP syndrome can be attributed to direct

physiological effects of Mg-D or to secondary effects produced by

blockade of EFA desaturation. These include valvular collagen

dissolution, ventricular hyperkinesis, cardiac arrhythmias, occasional

thromboembolic phenomena. autonomic dysregulation and association with

LT, pelvic fibrosis, autoimmune disease, anxiety disorders, allergy

and chronic candidiasis.

Hypornagnesemic LT is the commonest metabolic disturbance in patients

with MVP. Identification and correction of pre- and postnatal Mg-D may

delay or prevent the appearance of the MVP syndrome in genetically

prone individuals.

Ter Arkh. 2000;72(9):67-70.

New approaches to the treatment of patients with idiopathic mitral

valve prolapse [Article in Russian]

Martynov AI, Stepura OB, Shekhter AB, Mel'nik OO, Pak LS, Ushakova TI.

AIM: To assess efficiency of magnerot, magnesium orotate, in patients

with idiopathic mitral prolapse (IMP). MATERIAL AND METHODS: 84

patients with IMP were randomized to the study group (43 patients) and

control group (41 patients). Patients of the study group received

magnerot tablets (Germany) containing 500 mg of magnesium orotate

(daily dose 3000 mg) for 6 months. The examination performed before

the treatment and 6 months after it included: modified clinical and

phenotypic records, echocardiography, 24-h ECG and AP monitoring,

spectral analysis of cardiac rhythm variability, evaluation of quality

of life according to Visual Analog Scale and Disability Scale and of

treatment results according to Clinical Global Impression scales,

measurements of magnesium in the hair by plasmic nuclear emission

spectrometry, histological and histochemical skin tests. RESULTS: IMP

patients appeared to suffer from magnesium deficiency which is

responsible for many symptoms in mitral prolapse. 6-month therapy with

magnerot completely or partially reduced the symptoms in more than

half the patients. Positive changes were registered primarily in

clinicofunctional manifestations. Morphological changes in the skin

correlating with the disease severity alleviated. CONCLUSION: Good

objective and subjective response to magnerot 6-month therapy (3000

mg/day) is demonstrated.

Publication Types:

. Clinical Trial

. Randomized Controlled Trial

__

Please consider supplementing with LOTS of magnesium (at least 1000 mg

per day). It is the least toxic and least expensive thing anyone can do.

Good luck,

Winona

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info on Magnesium. I had read that it was a good idea to

supplement with Magnesium but I think I'm taking way too little.

Any suggestions on what type of Magnesium is best?

I also have to look up the term " idiopathic " - as the articles refer to

idiopathic mitral valve prolapse.

Thanks,

Steve

Re: Hashimoto's, mitral valve prolapse and

palpitations

> I'm a 50 year old male. . . I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's

thyroiditis. . .about 6 weeks ago, I was diagnosed with Mitral Valve

Prolapse by a cardiologist. I've had an echocardiogram and worn

> halter and event monitors. . . Any thoughts on all of this? Any

words of wisdom greatly appreciated.

>

> Steve

____________

Steve,

I would like to offer my 2 cents worth about the mitral valve

prolapse. There is a strong connection to magnesium deficiency - and

magnesium is a very crucial mineral for the proper function of the

thyroid.

I am going to paste parts of one medical reference - and the abstract

of another reference that you may find intersting:

Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Mitral Valve Prolapse

Leo D. Galland, Sidney M. Baker, K McLellan

Gesell Institute of Human Development, New Haven, Conn., USA

Abstract

Idiopathic mitral valve prolapse (MVP) is the commonest valvular

disorder in industrialized nations. It is predominantly a familial

condition, showing Mendelian dominance with delayed and variable

penetrance. Although hyperkinesis and hypertrophy of the left

ventricle have been described in MVP, its histopathology, somatic

morphology and genetics support the leading theory that MVP results

from a hereditary disorder of connective tissue. Latent tetany (LT)

due to chronic Mg deficit (Mg-D) occurs in over 8 5 % of MVP cases;

MVP complicates 26% of LT. Mg-D can explain many clinical features of

the MVP syndrome which are not easily explained by its genetics. Mg-D

hinders the mechanism by which fibroblasts degrade defective collagen,

increases circulating catecholamines, predisposes to cardiac

arrhythmias, thromboembolic phenomena and dysregulation of the immune

and autonomic nervous systems. Mg therapy provides relief of MVP symptoms.

Fibroblasts continually produce defective collagen and delete it by a

process which is cAMP activated [3, 5]. Adenylate cyclase is Mg

dependent [12] and Mg-D is associated with defective activity of some

cAMP-dependent pathways

Most features of the MVP syndrome can be attributed to direct

physiological effects of Mg-D or to secondary effects produced by

blockade of EFA desaturation. These include valvular collagen

dissolution, ventricular hyperkinesis, cardiac arrhythmias, occasional

thromboembolic phenomena. autonomic dysregulation and association with

LT, pelvic fibrosis, autoimmune disease, anxiety disorders, allergy

and chronic candidiasis.

Hypornagnesemic LT is the commonest metabolic disturbance in patients

with MVP. Identification and correction of pre- and postnatal Mg-D may

delay or prevent the appearance of the MVP syndrome in genetically

prone individuals.

Ter Arkh. 2000;72(9):67-70.

New approaches to the treatment of patients with idiopathic mitral

valve prolapse [Article in Russian]

Martynov AI, Stepura OB, Shekhter AB, Mel'nik OO, Pak LS, Ushakova TI.

AIM: To assess efficiency of magnerot, magnesium orotate, in patients

with idiopathic mitral prolapse (IMP). MATERIAL AND METHODS: 84

patients with IMP were randomized to the study group (43 patients) and

control group (41 patients). Patients of the study group received

magnerot tablets (Germany) containing 500 mg of magnesium orotate

(daily dose 3000 mg) for 6 months. The examination performed before

the treatment and 6 months after it included: modified clinical and

phenotypic records, echocardiography, 24-h ECG and AP monitoring,

spectral analysis of cardiac rhythm variability, evaluation of quality

of life according to Visual Analog Scale and Disability Scale and of

treatment results according to Clinical Global Impression scales,

measurements of magnesium in the hair by plasmic nuclear emission

spectrometry, histological and histochemical skin tests. RESULTS: IMP

patients appeared to suffer from magnesium deficiency which is

responsible for many symptoms in mitral prolapse. 6-month therapy with

magnerot completely or partially reduced the symptoms in more than

half the patients. Positive changes were registered primarily in

clinicofunctional manifestations. Morphological changes in the skin

correlating with the disease severity alleviated. CONCLUSION: Good

objective and subjective response to magnerot 6-month therapy (3000

mg/day) is demonstrated.

Publication Types:

. Clinical Trial

. Randomized Controlled Trial

__

Please consider supplementing with LOTS of magnesium (at least 1000 mg

per day). It is the least toxic and least expensive thing anyone can do.

Good luck,

Winona

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone for their input, suggestions.

My endocronologist suggested at our last visit that I try some sort of cream

(topically applied to the neck) made from natural sources instead of the T4

supplement. I'm not sure if this is Armour or not.

Regarding beer and coffee - I think I should be able to have ONE cup of coffee (

6 or 8 oz) and ONE beer or glass of wine without having cardiac symptoms. I

figured that these were such small quantities that they couldn't possibly be

harming me. BUT this week I had neither substance and I have been feeling much

better in terms of palpitations. There is life without caffeine and alcohol but

it's a tiny bit less fun.

Steve

Re: Hashimoto's, mitral valve prolapse and

palpitations

Hi Steve. There is a good reason that this site exists---because

Armour is a far superior treatment than any T4-only med. So as

simply and concise as Kerry said it, find someone who will put you

on Armour. They also need to test your free's, and not leave you on

the introductory dose much longer than 2-3 weeks. You will then need

to raise. You also need a doc who allow you to dose by symptoms, NOT

the TSH, which on an optimal dose, WILL be below one, and your free

T3 at the top of the range.

I have MVP. When I started on Armour, I had palps, but they

subsided. Each time I raised my dose, I had palps, but they subsided

within a week of each raise. I have discovered that those with MVP

need to raise by small increments to allow the heart to adjust.

I have also discovered that certain substances make me palp. One is

GINGER, which I take in capsule form to control my tendonitis. I can

take one 550 mg. capsule of Ginger Root fine. BUT......if I try 2

capsules, within a few weeks, I am palping all over the place.

Sounds like your coffee and beer didn't help you at all.

Janie

>

>

> I'm in a bit of a bind now. Today my TSH was 12.6. It's

> been almost 3 weeks with no hormone supplement. I'm

> afraid to start the hormone supplement again because the

> palpitations are very unpleasant.

>

> Any thoughts on all of this? Any words of wisdom greatly

> appreciated.

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

" Mateosian " wrote:

> Winona,

> Thank you I'm taking this to my folks. My mom has this, I have this,

> and I'm afraid DH and my own DF have this, too.

> BTW, Epsom Salt baths are another way to supplement Mg.

> Thank you!!

> ...

______

,

I hope this helps you and your family. I have now come to believe

there is an epidemic of magnesium deficiency. So many people could be

so much better with something so simple. Epsom salts are a great way

to supplement - I put 1 cupful into a warm bath and just let the

relaxation happen.

I am going to paste a couple of articles that appeared in the Canadian

Medical post:

VOLUME 35, NO. 28, August 24, 1999

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Magnesium might keep undertaker away.

If an ASA per day can keep the doctor away from a diabetic, as a

headline read in the July 20, Medical Post, might there not be some

similarly simple means of fending off the undertaker? Let's look at

some virtues of magnesium.

This well-known element, often lacking in our food, frequently

deficient in diabetics, is said to help in maintaining vascular

integrity in the microcirculation.

What simpler measure for preventing both capillary fragility and

cardiac arrhythmia can one think of, than a regular ration - a

punctual pinch - of Epsom's Salts?

Considering the increasing frequency of type 2 diabetes in children,

might not the absence of this mundane mineral, along with obesity,

play a pertinent part? -- Dr. Bill Panton, Burnaby, B.C.

Letters to " The Medical Post " :

VOLUME 35, NO. 31, September 21, 1999

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: Why is magnesium so under promoted?

I read with considerable interest Dr. Panton's letter in the Aug. 24

Medical Post, " Magnesium Might Keep Undertaker Away. " There is little

doubt that magnesium is a very under studied, promoted and used

element and the big question is why?

We have all been saturated with the importance of calcium and

supplementation is wide-spread in the so-called Western society with

their " balanced diets. " However, rarely does one find articles on

magnesium, certainly recommendations for supplements and research into

possible causes of magnesium deficiency in illness particularly

muscular dysfunction. This in the face of the fact that 40% of the

American population get less than 75% of their daily value of

magnesium, its natural sources not being widely supplied in normal

daily diets.

According to most nutritionalists, magnesium is " the heart's most

important mineral. " It is useful in helping stabilize blood sugars in

type 2 diabetes, an aid to controlling hypertension, management of

osteoporosis and the prevention of some cases of migraine and the list

goes on.

Cheers,

Winona

[Guest guest]

" Wertheim " wrote:

> Thanks for the info on Magnesium. I had read that it was a good

idea to supplement with Magnesium but I think I'm taking way too little.

> Any suggestions on what type of Magnesium is best?

__________________________

I use generic magnesium oxide - I space out the tablets throughout the

day. If you take them all at once you will get diarrhea.

The most effective magnesium I found was made by Flora/Salus and is

liquid magnesium (not calcium/magnesium). However, it is more

expensive and requires refrigeration, so it is not as practical to

carry around with me all the time.

> I also have to look up the term " idiopathic " - as the articles refer

to idiopathic mitral valve prolapse.

_______

idiopathic:

1. Of or relating to a disease having no known cause

OR

2. Of or relating to a disease that is not the result of any other

disease.

Good luck with your magnesium. Any time you have any questions, just

let me know. I have read countless medical references on magnesium

over the past couple of years. It has made such a difference in my life.

Winona

[Guest guest]

" Wertheim " wrote:

> Thanks for the info on Magnesium. I had read that it was a good

idea to supplement with Magnesium but I think I'm taking way too little.

> Any suggestions on what type of Magnesium is best?

__________________________

I use generic magnesium oxide - I space out the tablets throughout the

day. If you take them all at once you will get diarrhea.

The most effective magnesium I found was made by Flora/Salus and is

liquid magnesium (not calcium/magnesium). However, it is more

expensive and requires refrigeration, so it is not as practical to

carry around with me all the time.

> I also have to look up the term " idiopathic " - as the articles refer

to idiopathic mitral valve prolapse.

_______

idiopathic:

1. Of or relating to a disease having no known cause

OR

2. Of or relating to a disease that is not the result of any other

disease.

Good luck with your magnesium. Any time you have any questions, just

let me know. I have read countless medical references on magnesium

over the past couple of years. It has made such a difference in my life.

Winona

[Guest guest]

" Wertheim " wrote:

> Thanks for the info on Magnesium. I had read that it was a good

idea to supplement with Magnesium but I think I'm taking way too little.

> Any suggestions on what type of Magnesium is best?

__________________________

I use generic magnesium oxide - I space out the tablets throughout the

day. If you take them all at once you will get diarrhea.

The most effective magnesium I found was made by Flora/Salus and is

liquid magnesium (not calcium/magnesium). However, it is more

expensive and requires refrigeration, so it is not as practical to

carry around with me all the time.

> I also have to look up the term " idiopathic " - as the articles refer

to idiopathic mitral valve prolapse.

_______

idiopathic:

1. Of or relating to a disease having no known cause

OR

2. Of or relating to a disease that is not the result of any other

disease.

Good luck with your magnesium. Any time you have any questions, just

let me know. I have read countless medical references on magnesium

over the past couple of years. It has made such a difference in my life.

Winona

[Guest guest]

----- > " Wertheim " wrote:

> > Any suggestions on what type of Magnesium is best?

> __________________________

> I use generic magnesium oxide - I space out the tablets throughout the

> day. If you take them all at once you will get diarrhea.

> The most effective magnesium I found was made by Flora/Salus and is

> liquid magnesium (not calcium/magnesium). However, it is more

> expensive and requires refrigeration, so it is not as practical to

> carry around with me all the time.

There's been a lot of discussion on the HealingCrow yahoo group about the

best form of magnesium. Most of the folks on that site have digestive

disturbance, usually severe, so absorbability is a hugh issue.

The ones reported as best are magnesium glycinate and magnesium citrate.

And I haven't checked this out myself, but someone said that according to

the mgwater.com site, magnesium in mineral water is much more easily

absorbed than that in a supplement or food. Someone else said they had good

results with a magnesium powder sold by NOW ( I don't know what form it is)

that they mixed in hot water. I would think a chelated magnesium would be

good too.

Magnesium oxide and magnesium asparate were considered inferior forms - many

people said they got no benefit with those forms of magnesium.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

----- > " Wertheim " wrote:

> > Any suggestions on what type of Magnesium is best?

> __________________________

> I use generic magnesium oxide - I space out the tablets throughout the

> day. If you take them all at once you will get diarrhea.

> The most effective magnesium I found was made by Flora/Salus and is

> liquid magnesium (not calcium/magnesium). However, it is more

> expensive and requires refrigeration, so it is not as practical to

> carry around with me all the time.

There's been a lot of discussion on the HealingCrow yahoo group about the

best form of magnesium. Most of the folks on that site have digestive

disturbance, usually severe, so absorbability is a hugh issue.

The ones reported as best are magnesium glycinate and magnesium citrate.

And I haven't checked this out myself, but someone said that according to

the mgwater.com site, magnesium in mineral water is much more easily

absorbed than that in a supplement or food. Someone else said they had good

results with a magnesium powder sold by NOW ( I don't know what form it is)

that they mixed in hot water. I would think a chelated magnesium would be

good too.

Magnesium oxide and magnesium asparate were considered inferior forms - many

people said they got no benefit with those forms of magnesium.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

----- > " Wertheim " wrote:

> > Any suggestions on what type of Magnesium is best?

> __________________________

> I use generic magnesium oxide - I space out the tablets throughout the

> day. If you take them all at once you will get diarrhea.

> The most effective magnesium I found was made by Flora/Salus and is

> liquid magnesium (not calcium/magnesium). However, it is more

> expensive and requires refrigeration, so it is not as practical to

> carry around with me all the time.

There's been a lot of discussion on the HealingCrow yahoo group about the

best form of magnesium. Most of the folks on that site have digestive

disturbance, usually severe, so absorbability is a hugh issue.

The ones reported as best are magnesium glycinate and magnesium citrate.

And I haven't checked this out myself, but someone said that according to

the mgwater.com site, magnesium in mineral water is much more easily

absorbed than that in a supplement or food. Someone else said they had good

results with a magnesium powder sold by NOW ( I don't know what form it is)

that they mixed in hot water. I would think a chelated magnesium would be

good too.

Magnesium oxide and magnesium asparate were considered inferior forms - many

people said they got no benefit with those forms of magnesium.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> There's been a lot of discussion on the HealingCrow yahoo group

about the best form of magnesium. Most of the folks on that site have

digestive disturbance, usually severe, so absorbability is a hugh issue.

> The ones reported as best are magnesium glycinate and magnesium

citrate. And I haven't checked this out myself, but someone said that

according to the mgwater.com site, magnesium in mineral water is much

more easily absorbed than that in a supplement or food. Someone else

said they had good results with a magnesium powder sold by NOW ( I

don't know what form it is) that they mixed in hot water. I would

think a chelated magnesium would be good too.

> Magnesium oxide and magnesium asparate were considered inferior

forms - many people said they got no benefit with those forms of

magnesium.

> Lynn

_________________

Lynn,

I know this is one subject in which you can get every different answer

under the sun. I regularly read the mgwater site and I subscribe to a

newsgroup/discussion group lead by Dr. Mannsman that is dedicated to

look at magnesium issues. I have gone to just about every site that I

could find about magnesium. I have been very confused about all of

the forms of magnesium - so the bottom line is, I just started using

different kinds. Some kinds were not readily available locally, so I

used what was here. When GI issues arise, the best remedy for me is

psyllium husks - it tends to bind the excess water in the bowel. There

was one site where the author felt that the oxide in magnesium oxide

aided in oxygenating the intestines. I don't know if there is any

validity in that sentiment -but there are lots of views out there. I

can report on things that have worked for me.

Winona

[Guest guest]

> There's been a lot of discussion on the HealingCrow yahoo group

about the best form of magnesium. Most of the folks on that site have

digestive disturbance, usually severe, so absorbability is a hugh issue.

> The ones reported as best are magnesium glycinate and magnesium

citrate. And I haven't checked this out myself, but someone said that

according to the mgwater.com site, magnesium in mineral water is much

more easily absorbed than that in a supplement or food. Someone else

said they had good results with a magnesium powder sold by NOW ( I

don't know what form it is) that they mixed in hot water. I would

think a chelated magnesium would be good too.

> Magnesium oxide and magnesium asparate were considered inferior

forms - many people said they got no benefit with those forms of

magnesium.

> Lynn

_________________

Lynn,

I know this is one subject in which you can get every different answer

under the sun. I regularly read the mgwater site and I subscribe to a

newsgroup/discussion group lead by Dr. Mannsman that is dedicated to

look at magnesium issues. I have gone to just about every site that I

could find about magnesium. I have been very confused about all of

the forms of magnesium - so the bottom line is, I just started using

different kinds. Some kinds were not readily available locally, so I

used what was here. When GI issues arise, the best remedy for me is

psyllium husks - it tends to bind the excess water in the bowel. There

was one site where the author felt that the oxide in magnesium oxide

aided in oxygenating the intestines. I don't know if there is any

validity in that sentiment -but there are lots of views out there. I

can report on things that have worked for me.

Winona

[Guest guest]

> There's been a lot of discussion on the HealingCrow yahoo group

about the best form of magnesium. Most of the folks on that site have

digestive disturbance, usually severe, so absorbability is a hugh issue.

> The ones reported as best are magnesium glycinate and magnesium

citrate. And I haven't checked this out myself, but someone said that

according to the mgwater.com site, magnesium in mineral water is much

more easily absorbed than that in a supplement or food. Someone else

said they had good results with a magnesium powder sold by NOW ( I

don't know what form it is) that they mixed in hot water. I would

think a chelated magnesium would be good too.

> Magnesium oxide and magnesium asparate were considered inferior

forms - many people said they got no benefit with those forms of

magnesium.

> Lynn

_________________

Lynn,

I know this is one subject in which you can get every different answer

under the sun. I regularly read the mgwater site and I subscribe to a

newsgroup/discussion group lead by Dr. Mannsman that is dedicated to

look at magnesium issues. I have gone to just about every site that I

could find about magnesium. I have been very confused about all of

the forms of magnesium - so the bottom line is, I just started using

different kinds. Some kinds were not readily available locally, so I

used what was here. When GI issues arise, the best remedy for me is

psyllium husks - it tends to bind the excess water in the bowel. There

was one site where the author felt that the oxide in magnesium oxide

aided in oxygenating the intestines. I don't know if there is any

validity in that sentiment -but there are lots of views out there. I

can report on things that have worked for me.

Winona