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> so overtired, I

> have a hard time sleeping later.

>

Same here! No one else seems to understand you can be too tired to go to

sleep.

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In a message dated 6/9/2002 12:08:03 AM Taipei Standard Time,

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> so overtired, I

> have a hard time sleeping later.

>

Same here! No one else seems to understand you can be too tired to go to

sleep.

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In a message dated 6/9/2002 12:08:03 AM Taipei Standard Time,

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> so overtired, I

> have a hard time sleeping later.

>

Same here! No one else seems to understand you can be too tired to go to

sleep.

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Dawn~

I am so sorry you are feeling so cruddy. I know exactly how you feel. From

the end of April till earlier this week I was so exhausted and I hurt so bad. I

had to force myself to get up every morning to take the kids to school and then

force myself to go get them in the afternoon. I never had any energy. I hope you

start feeling a little more energy. Being so exhausted is such a downer. Dawn,

just know that you can e-mail when you are not feeling your best, we all do.

It's part of our lives and no one here has to go through it alone. Remeber that

you are not alone in this.

~Remember

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> Yes, I feel like I could sleep the rest of my life away but lieing in

> bed

> after a certain number of hours hurts too bad!

>

Thats how I am too. If I sleep or just stay in bed for too long, I'm in

alot of pain, so I NEED to get up, to move around. I sometimes end up

with a headache too.

I hate those days when I'm so tired, I need to sleep and I hurt too much

I can't get comfortable to sleep restfully. That usually happens during

the day. I sleep soundly at night - well, most times, but am in alot of

pain when I get up. I usually can't sleep more than 7 hours at a

stretch, but there are times when I sleep 7 hours, get up, shower

(usually a long hot shower to help the pain) then another hour or so,

I'm so exhausted, I can't think straight and go back to sleep for

another hour or two, or sometimes even more.

I worked full time for over a year like this.... it was very difficult

to accomplish anything. There were times I just wanted to colapse onto

the floor by my desk and just sleep. Or, I would sometimes go into the

ladies room, sit in the chair they had in there and fall asleep, waking

up 30 minutes later not remembering where I was. I am so lucky I didn't

get into any trouble then...but they were already aware of my health

problems by then. When I couldn't take it anymore, I went on short term

disability. I was fortunate to work for a company that had excellent

benefits.

Now, I sleep when I need to...well, most times. When I commit to

something for a friend or family, I keep going, then get so overtired, I

have a hard time sleeping later.

Koala-t hugs,

Cathy

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> Yes, I feel like I could sleep the rest of my life away but lieing in

> bed

> after a certain number of hours hurts too bad!

>

Thats how I am too. If I sleep or just stay in bed for too long, I'm in

alot of pain, so I NEED to get up, to move around. I sometimes end up

with a headache too.

I hate those days when I'm so tired, I need to sleep and I hurt too much

I can't get comfortable to sleep restfully. That usually happens during

the day. I sleep soundly at night - well, most times, but am in alot of

pain when I get up. I usually can't sleep more than 7 hours at a

stretch, but there are times when I sleep 7 hours, get up, shower

(usually a long hot shower to help the pain) then another hour or so,

I'm so exhausted, I can't think straight and go back to sleep for

another hour or two, or sometimes even more.

I worked full time for over a year like this.... it was very difficult

to accomplish anything. There were times I just wanted to colapse onto

the floor by my desk and just sleep. Or, I would sometimes go into the

ladies room, sit in the chair they had in there and fall asleep, waking

up 30 minutes later not remembering where I was. I am so lucky I didn't

get into any trouble then...but they were already aware of my health

problems by then. When I couldn't take it anymore, I went on short term

disability. I was fortunate to work for a company that had excellent

benefits.

Now, I sleep when I need to...well, most times. When I commit to

something for a friend or family, I keep going, then get so overtired, I

have a hard time sleeping later.

Koala-t hugs,

Cathy

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> Yes, I feel like I could sleep the rest of my life away but lieing in

> bed

> after a certain number of hours hurts too bad!

>

Thats how I am too. If I sleep or just stay in bed for too long, I'm in

alot of pain, so I NEED to get up, to move around. I sometimes end up

with a headache too.

I hate those days when I'm so tired, I need to sleep and I hurt too much

I can't get comfortable to sleep restfully. That usually happens during

the day. I sleep soundly at night - well, most times, but am in alot of

pain when I get up. I usually can't sleep more than 7 hours at a

stretch, but there are times when I sleep 7 hours, get up, shower

(usually a long hot shower to help the pain) then another hour or so,

I'm so exhausted, I can't think straight and go back to sleep for

another hour or two, or sometimes even more.

I worked full time for over a year like this.... it was very difficult

to accomplish anything. There were times I just wanted to colapse onto

the floor by my desk and just sleep. Or, I would sometimes go into the

ladies room, sit in the chair they had in there and fall asleep, waking

up 30 minutes later not remembering where I was. I am so lucky I didn't

get into any trouble then...but they were already aware of my health

problems by then. When I couldn't take it anymore, I went on short term

disability. I was fortunate to work for a company that had excellent

benefits.

Now, I sleep when I need to...well, most times. When I commit to

something for a friend or family, I keep going, then get so overtired, I

have a hard time sleeping later.

Koala-t hugs,

Cathy

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Hi,

I want to thank all of you for understanding and responding to my

post.....its so nice to know that there is someone out there to

communicate with that knows that this thing is REAL. I hope you all

will have a good week.

My sons graduation is over! :) I am so proud of him! He has

recieved enough scholorships to attend Purdue University this

fall. :)

Do any of you have a harder time when the weather gets hotter? I

am melting over here...brain and all!!! My fog hasn't lifted.....I

feel like sucha ditz....how depressing is that? Sometimes I wish I

could just get myself fired so I could have a rest.

Love you all,

Dawn

>

> Dawn~

> I am so sorry you are feeling so cruddy. I know exactly how you

feel. From the end of April till earlier this week I was so

exhausted and I hurt so bad. I had to force myself to get up every

morning to take the kids to school and then force myself to go get

them in the afternoon. I never had any energy. I hope you start

feeling a little more energy. Being so exhausted is such a downer.

Dawn, just know that you can e-mail when you are not feeling your

best, we all do. It's part of our lives and no one here has to go

through it alone. Remeber that you are not alone in this.

> ~Remember

>

>

>

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Hi and everyone, My husband and I are going this weekend to check out

some hot tubs.Do you have one? I need to talk to someone that has one before I

buy one, I don't know anything about them, but I think they would help my pain,

I know they are expensive and I don't want to spend them money if they don't

work.I do hope that I will feel like going we have to drive at least 50 miles to

the city and then going thru the stores,it makes me tired just thinking about

it.If any one know about hot tubs,please let me know. Thanks Audie

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Dawn~

I am so sorry you are feeling so cruddy. I know exactly how you feel. From

the end of April till earlier this week I was so exhausted and I hurt so bad. I

had to force myself to get up every morning to take the kids to school and then

force myself to go get them in the afternoon. I never had any energy. I hope you

start feeling a little more energy. Being so exhausted is such a downer. Dawn,

just know that you can e-mail when you are not feeling your best, we all do.

It's part of our lives and no one here has to go through it alone. Remeber that

you are not alone in this.

~Remember

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Hi Jennie, Thanks for the email, I believe I will like a hot tub, I have a sun

porch that I might put my in, I have fireplace in it for winter and ac for

summer, there is a lot of windows that I could open when the weather is just

right, I have so much pain in my neck and shoulders that I think I would do

anything to get some relief, I also hurt in my lower back.I think I will get a

small one, just enought where I can get in and be comforable. I will know more

after I go look at them this weekend.Thanks again Audie

Re: Feeling like I could sleep the rest of my life

away.

>>>>If any one know about hot tubs,please let me know.<<<<

Hi Audie......

I have a hot tub and I wouldn't give it up for anything. Ours is outside and

although it is cold getting to the tub but is wonderful after you are in. We

take a shower before we get in it to get off all the body oils, hair spray, etc

etc and I find it is easier to keep the chemicals balanced. All I have to do is

keep bromine (which is used in place of chlorine in a hot tub) in it and it is

fine. If you take a shower and gradually let the water get hotter and hotter and

then go to tub right away, it is not as hard to get into the hot water. Our

tub is set at 104 degrees when it is really cold. In the summer we turn it down

to about 100 and you still get the benefit of the heat without being

uncomfortable. The more I use the jets the better it feels. Some people cannot

tolerate the jets though. I have two separate pumps (which operate the jets) and

each pump has two speeds. Some times I like the jets on low and just sit and

relax. I also do some leg and arm stretches while sitting in the tub. This house

that we just moved into 1 1/2 yrs ago had a very inexpensive hot tub. We used it

but really missed the many, many jets we had in our other tub. Our present tub

has two seats (we have a 6 seater, which really fits 4 comfortably) that has

jets all over the back and 4 jets for the neck and shoulder area. It really

helps my pain. We tend to go in late at night and I go right to bed and find if

I read by bible for a while, I relax even more and sleep better. By the

way.......if the tub is outside, you are not the least bit cold getting out and

going inside because the hot water raises your body temp. I highly recommend it

Audie.......but remember what works for some people does not always work for

another. If you have any other questions, .please feel free to ask. Hope I was

able to help you a little.

Wishing you all pain free days and nights :)

Jennie

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Hi Jennie, Thanks for the email, I believe I will like a hot tub, I have a sun

porch that I might put my in, I have fireplace in it for winter and ac for

summer, there is a lot of windows that I could open when the weather is just

right, I have so much pain in my neck and shoulders that I think I would do

anything to get some relief, I also hurt in my lower back.I think I will get a

small one, just enought where I can get in and be comforable. I will know more

after I go look at them this weekend.Thanks again Audie

Re: Feeling like I could sleep the rest of my life

away.

>>>>If any one know about hot tubs,please let me know.<<<<

Hi Audie......

I have a hot tub and I wouldn't give it up for anything. Ours is outside and

although it is cold getting to the tub but is wonderful after you are in. We

take a shower before we get in it to get off all the body oils, hair spray, etc

etc and I find it is easier to keep the chemicals balanced. All I have to do is

keep bromine (which is used in place of chlorine in a hot tub) in it and it is

fine. If you take a shower and gradually let the water get hotter and hotter and

then go to tub right away, it is not as hard to get into the hot water. Our

tub is set at 104 degrees when it is really cold. In the summer we turn it down

to about 100 and you still get the benefit of the heat without being

uncomfortable. The more I use the jets the better it feels. Some people cannot

tolerate the jets though. I have two separate pumps (which operate the jets) and

each pump has two speeds. Some times I like the jets on low and just sit and

relax. I also do some leg and arm stretches while sitting in the tub. This house

that we just moved into 1 1/2 yrs ago had a very inexpensive hot tub. We used it

but really missed the many, many jets we had in our other tub. Our present tub

has two seats (we have a 6 seater, which really fits 4 comfortably) that has

jets all over the back and 4 jets for the neck and shoulder area. It really

helps my pain. We tend to go in late at night and I go right to bed and find if

I read by bible for a while, I relax even more and sleep better. By the

way.......if the tub is outside, you are not the least bit cold getting out and

going inside because the hot water raises your body temp. I highly recommend it

Audie.......but remember what works for some people does not always work for

another. If you have any other questions, .please feel free to ask. Hope I was

able to help you a little.

Wishing you all pain free days and nights :)

Jennie

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Dawn:

I empathasize with your brain fog. I have it, too.

But you can at least work a full time job. That's

fantastic! There are many on this list that are so

tired and brain-fogged that they absolutely can NOT

work 40 hours a week let alone get out of bed in the

morning (me included). So you should thank your lucky

stars that you are okay enough to work.

Hugs,

Lynne

--- mythreedogsnme jim_dawn2002@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I haven't been here in a week or so (maybe two?)

> I am so tired

> and in such a fog I don't know how to keep going.

> My son graduation

> is this weekend and I am wondering how to get

> through it. I called

> off work today in order to shop for something to

> wear and couldn't

> get my butt out of my pajamas let alone out of this

> house. How do

> you guys do this??? I read your posts and some of

> them are so full

> of activities. I force myself to work....but thats

> all that I

> do....work.....and it feels like being on a

> merry-go-round that you

> can't seem to get off of.

>

> I apoligize for being sucha downer today. Its

> bad enough feeling

> exhausted constantly but the brain fog I just can't

> take.

>

> Hope you are all feeling better than me

> lately.....I will wait to

> post again when this thing lifts a little.

>

> wish me luck,:)

> Dawn

>

>

=====

51 year old single Mom of 15 year old daughter.

Live in desert of southern California

Have had CFS all my life but have only

had Fibro for the last 10 years.

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Dawn:

I empathasize with your brain fog. I have it, too.

But you can at least work a full time job. That's

fantastic! There are many on this list that are so

tired and brain-fogged that they absolutely can NOT

work 40 hours a week let alone get out of bed in the

morning (me included). So you should thank your lucky

stars that you are okay enough to work.

Hugs,

Lynne

--- mythreedogsnme jim_dawn2002@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I haven't been here in a week or so (maybe two?)

> I am so tired

> and in such a fog I don't know how to keep going.

> My son graduation

> is this weekend and I am wondering how to get

> through it. I called

> off work today in order to shop for something to

> wear and couldn't

> get my butt out of my pajamas let alone out of this

> house. How do

> you guys do this??? I read your posts and some of

> them are so full

> of activities. I force myself to work....but thats

> all that I

> do....work.....and it feels like being on a

> merry-go-round that you

> can't seem to get off of.

>

> I apoligize for being sucha downer today. Its

> bad enough feeling

> exhausted constantly but the brain fog I just can't

> take.

>

> Hope you are all feeling better than me

> lately.....I will wait to

> post again when this thing lifts a little.

>

> wish me luck,:)

> Dawn

>

>

=====

51 year old single Mom of 15 year old daughter.

Live in desert of southern California

Have had CFS all my life but have only

had Fibro for the last 10 years.

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Dawn:

I empathasize with your brain fog. I have it, too.

But you can at least work a full time job. That's

fantastic! There are many on this list that are so

tired and brain-fogged that they absolutely can NOT

work 40 hours a week let alone get out of bed in the

morning (me included). So you should thank your lucky

stars that you are okay enough to work.

Hugs,

Lynne

--- mythreedogsnme jim_dawn2002@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I haven't been here in a week or so (maybe two?)

> I am so tired

> and in such a fog I don't know how to keep going.

> My son graduation

> is this weekend and I am wondering how to get

> through it. I called

> off work today in order to shop for something to

> wear and couldn't

> get my butt out of my pajamas let alone out of this

> house. How do

> you guys do this??? I read your posts and some of

> them are so full

> of activities. I force myself to work....but thats

> all that I

> do....work.....and it feels like being on a

> merry-go-round that you

> can't seem to get off of.

>

> I apoligize for being sucha downer today. Its

> bad enough feeling

> exhausted constantly but the brain fog I just can't

> take.

>

> Hope you are all feeling better than me

> lately.....I will wait to

> post again when this thing lifts a little.

>

> wish me luck,:)

> Dawn

>

>

=====

51 year old single Mom of 15 year old daughter.

Live in desert of southern California

Have had CFS all my life but have only

had Fibro for the last 10 years.

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Hi Jennie, I went last Sat. and picked out my hot tub I bought the first one I

looked at, it cost a lot of money so I hope it will be a good one. I know we

should have shopped around but you know how hard that is, my husband said if it

would help me it was worth the money. I'm not sure when we will get it in, my

husband has to do the wiring, , I am going to put it on my sun porch, that way

it will be inside looking out,I sure hope it helps this pain,I will let you know

how every thing goes, thanks for telling me about your tub. Audie

Re: Feeling like I could sleep the rest of my life

away.

>>>>If any one know about hot tubs,please let me know.<<<<

Hi Audie......

I have a hot tub and I wouldn't give it up for anything. Ours is outside and

although it is cold getting to the tub but is wonderful after you are in. We

take a shower before we get in it to get off all the body oils, hair spray, etc

etc and I find it is easier to keep the chemicals balanced. All I have to do is

keep bromine (which is used in place of chlorine in a hot tub) in it and it is

fine. If you take a shower and gradually let the water get hotter and hotter and

then go to tub right away, it is not as hard to get into the hot water. Our

tub is set at 104 degrees when it is really cold. In the summer we turn it down

to about 100 and you still get the benefit of the heat without being

uncomfortable. The more I use the jets the better it feels. Some people cannot

tolerate the jets though. I have two separate pumps (which operate the jets) and

each pump has two speeds. Some times I like the jets on low and just sit and

relax. I also do some leg and arm stretches while sitting in the tub. This house

that we just moved into 1 1/2 yrs ago had a very inexpensive hot tub. We used it

but really missed the many, many jets we had in our other tub. Our present tub

has two seats (we have a 6 seater, which really fits 4 comfortably) that has

jets all over the back and 4 jets for the neck and shoulder area. It really

helps my pain. We tend to go in late at night and I go right to bed and find if

I read by bible for a while, I relax even more and sleep better. By the

way.......if the tub is outside, you are not the least bit cold getting out and

going inside because the hot water raises your body temp. I highly recommend it

Audie.......but remember what works for some people does not always work for

another. If you have any other questions, .please feel free to ask. Hope I was

able to help you a little.

Wishing you all pain free days and nights :)

Jennie

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Hi Jennie, I went last Sat. and picked out my hot tub I bought the first one I

looked at, it cost a lot of money so I hope it will be a good one. I know we

should have shopped around but you know how hard that is, my husband said if it

would help me it was worth the money. I'm not sure when we will get it in, my

husband has to do the wiring, , I am going to put it on my sun porch, that way

it will be inside looking out,I sure hope it helps this pain,I will let you know

how every thing goes, thanks for telling me about your tub. Audie

Re: Feeling like I could sleep the rest of my life

away.

>>>>If any one know about hot tubs,please let me know.<<<<

Hi Audie......

I have a hot tub and I wouldn't give it up for anything. Ours is outside and

although it is cold getting to the tub but is wonderful after you are in. We

take a shower before we get in it to get off all the body oils, hair spray, etc

etc and I find it is easier to keep the chemicals balanced. All I have to do is

keep bromine (which is used in place of chlorine in a hot tub) in it and it is

fine. If you take a shower and gradually let the water get hotter and hotter and

then go to tub right away, it is not as hard to get into the hot water. Our

tub is set at 104 degrees when it is really cold. In the summer we turn it down

to about 100 and you still get the benefit of the heat without being

uncomfortable. The more I use the jets the better it feels. Some people cannot

tolerate the jets though. I have two separate pumps (which operate the jets) and

each pump has two speeds. Some times I like the jets on low and just sit and

relax. I also do some leg and arm stretches while sitting in the tub. This house

that we just moved into 1 1/2 yrs ago had a very inexpensive hot tub. We used it

but really missed the many, many jets we had in our other tub. Our present tub

has two seats (we have a 6 seater, which really fits 4 comfortably) that has

jets all over the back and 4 jets for the neck and shoulder area. It really

helps my pain. We tend to go in late at night and I go right to bed and find if

I read by bible for a while, I relax even more and sleep better. By the

way.......if the tub is outside, you are not the least bit cold getting out and

going inside because the hot water raises your body temp. I highly recommend it

Audie.......but remember what works for some people does not always work for

another. If you have any other questions, .please feel free to ask. Hope I was

able to help you a little.

Wishing you all pain free days and nights :)

Jennie

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