Re: 5 months on Armour -- muscle and joint pain worse than ever

[Guest guest]

, you sound horribly like me. I kept increasing and increasing and still

could sleep 20 hours out of the day. Finally at 4.5 grains Armour I had some

bloodwork done for my Free levels. My T3 was still below range. That was when I

added in Cytomel and started to really improve. Now I am STILL not 100% but I am

250 times better than I was and still have some lingering symptoms going away

every now & then. I am overdue for more testing and want to get Ferritin too

with the next round, but I haven;t done it yet. You might order some tests from

Healthcheck just to see where your levels are and tweak with a tad more T4 or a

tad more T3. Sometimes that is all it takes to fix things right up.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

, you sound horribly like me. I kept increasing and increasing and still

could sleep 20 hours out of the day. Finally at 4.5 grains Armour I had some

bloodwork done for my Free levels. My T3 was still below range. That was when I

added in Cytomel and started to really improve. Now I am STILL not 100% but I am

250 times better than I was and still have some lingering symptoms going away

every now & then. I am overdue for more testing and want to get Ferritin too

with the next round, but I haven;t done it yet. You might order some tests from

Healthcheck just to see where your levels are and tweak with a tad more T4 or a

tad more T3. Sometimes that is all it takes to fix things right up.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

, you sound horribly like me. I kept increasing and increasing and still

could sleep 20 hours out of the day. Finally at 4.5 grains Armour I had some

bloodwork done for my Free levels. My T3 was still below range. That was when I

added in Cytomel and started to really improve. Now I am STILL not 100% but I am

250 times better than I was and still have some lingering symptoms going away

every now & then. I am overdue for more testing and want to get Ferritin too

with the next round, but I haven;t done it yet. You might order some tests from

Healthcheck just to see where your levels are and tweak with a tad more T4 or a

tad more T3. Sometimes that is all it takes to fix things right up.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Hi Janie and thanks for your response. I appreciate it.

Yes, I'm doing the 24 hour test and will also be having DHEA and sex

hormones tested. I'm 44 and had a hysterectomy at 24...so who knows

where my hormones are!

My ferritin was tested about 2 months ago and is 91. My FT3 at that

time was 252 (230-420), which was after 3 months on Armour including 7

weeks on 2 grains. I'll probably have my next labs done in a month.

I don't usually take my temp in the afternoon but today I did as I was

feeling feverish...it was 97.4 orally. This morning my BBT was 96.6.

I've been tracking my BBT for the last 5 weeks at my doctor's request

and have noticed that I tend to go up and down by 1/2 to 1 degree but

never get above 97.3...which is still better than I used to be.

Could the thyroid hormone resistance be related to my having gone

untreated for many, many years? My doctor sent me info on this

before...I'll have to dig it up and re-read it.

I'm just worried that his previous troubles with our State Medical

Board for using Armour and other " natural " remedies is going to keep

him from going the limit with me should I need much more. He doesn't

even know yet that I'm at 4 grains! LOL

He gave me the go ahead after my last labs 2 months ago to

" experiment " with my dose...so I have been gradually increasing every

2-3 weeks with absolutely no side effects and very little improvement.

Thanks again, Janie.

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>

> , doing that adrenal saliva test sounds like the perfect

> step to take. Hopefully it's the 24 hour variety.

>

> Have you tested your Ferritin? That is an important test to

strongly

> request of your doc Thursday. And definitely do the free T3 and

> let's see where that is.

>

> What is your afternoon temp? There is always the possibility that

> your thyroid hormone resistant---thus the failure to have

> improvement.

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Hi Janie and thanks for your response. I appreciate it.

Yes, I'm doing the 24 hour test and will also be having DHEA and sex

hormones tested. I'm 44 and had a hysterectomy at 24...so who knows

where my hormones are!

My ferritin was tested about 2 months ago and is 91. My FT3 at that

time was 252 (230-420), which was after 3 months on Armour including 7

weeks on 2 grains. I'll probably have my next labs done in a month.

I don't usually take my temp in the afternoon but today I did as I was

feeling feverish...it was 97.4 orally. This morning my BBT was 96.6.

I've been tracking my BBT for the last 5 weeks at my doctor's request

and have noticed that I tend to go up and down by 1/2 to 1 degree but

never get above 97.3...which is still better than I used to be.

Could the thyroid hormone resistance be related to my having gone

untreated for many, many years? My doctor sent me info on this

before...I'll have to dig it up and re-read it.

I'm just worried that his previous troubles with our State Medical

Board for using Armour and other " natural " remedies is going to keep

him from going the limit with me should I need much more. He doesn't

even know yet that I'm at 4 grains! LOL

He gave me the go ahead after my last labs 2 months ago to

" experiment " with my dose...so I have been gradually increasing every

2-3 weeks with absolutely no side effects and very little improvement.

Thanks again, Janie.

~

>

> , doing that adrenal saliva test sounds like the perfect

> step to take. Hopefully it's the 24 hour variety.

>

> Have you tested your Ferritin? That is an important test to

strongly

> request of your doc Thursday. And definitely do the free T3 and

> let's see where that is.

>

> What is your afternoon temp? There is always the possibility that

> your thyroid hormone resistant---thus the failure to have

> improvement.

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Hi ...and thanks for your help once again!

I'll be doing labs again in a month since I just had my last increase

only 2 weeks ago. I'm curious where my FT3 is now...2 months ago it

was 252 (230-420) after 3 months on Armour, including 7 weeks on 2

grains. Within range but for me too low.

Prior to starting meds the lab failed to do the requested FT3 but my

FT4 was pretty darned good at 1.4 (.8-1.8). I know T3/T4 meds tend to

decrease the T4 some but I can't help but wonder what my body is doing

with all this T4 I'm taking now and how much more my body will be able

to handle!

It's encouraging to know you had similar problems yet have gotten some

positive improvement...I desperately hope to be there with you!

Thanks,

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> , you sound horribly like me. I kept increasing and

increasing and still could sleep 20 hours out of the day. Finally at

4.5 grains Armour I had some bloodwork done for my Free levels. My T3

was still below range. That was when I added in Cytomel and started to

really improve. Now I am STILL not 100% but I am 250 times better than

I was and still have some lingering symptoms going away every now &

then. I am overdue for more testing and want to get Ferritin too with

the next round, but I haven;t done it yet. You might order some tests

from Healthcheck just to see where your levels are and tweak with a

tad more T4 or a tad more T3. Sometimes that is all it takes to fix

things right up.

[Guest guest]

>I'm curious where my FT3 is now...2 months ago it

> was 252 (230-420) after 3 months on Armour, including 7 weeks on 2

> grains. Within range but for me too low.

Not just for you. Most folks here would be suffering with a free T3

that low. You see the optimal results when your free T3 is at the

top of the range.

Janie

[Guest guest]

>I'm curious where my FT3 is now...2 months ago it

> was 252 (230-420) after 3 months on Armour, including 7 weeks on 2

> grains. Within range but for me too low.

Not just for you. Most folks here would be suffering with a free T3

that low. You see the optimal results when your free T3 is at the

top of the range.

Janie

[Guest guest]

>I'm curious where my FT3 is now...2 months ago it

> was 252 (230-420) after 3 months on Armour, including 7 weeks on 2

> grains. Within range but for me too low.

Not just for you. Most folks here would be suffering with a free T3

that low. You see the optimal results when your free T3 is at the

top of the range.

Janie

[Guest guest]

Yup, you could be thyroid hormone resistant, which means you are

tissue resistant...and your temps make that mighty suspicious. Or,

your adrenals are a factor. Here's a very detailed study of thyroid

hormone resistance (go get your cup of coffee and make sure your

computer chair has a cushion):

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/123/8/572

Once you get up to 4-6 grains, and have no good response, it's time

to consider adding Cytomel.....And hang in there, dear one. Your

time will come!!

Janie

> Hi Janie and thanks for your response. I appreciate it.

>

> Yes, I'm doing the 24 hour test and will also be having DHEA and

sex

> hormones tested. I'm 44 and had a hysterectomy at 24...so who

knows

> where my hormones are!

>

> My ferritin was tested about 2 months ago and is 91. My FT3 at

that

> time was 252 (230-420), which was after 3 months on Armour

including 7

> weeks on 2 grains. I'll probably have my next labs done in a

month.

>

> I don't usually take my temp in the afternoon but today I did as I

was

> feeling feverish...it was 97.4 orally. This morning my BBT was

96.6.

> I've been tracking my BBT for the last 5 weeks at my doctor's

request

> and have noticed that I tend to go up and down by 1/2 to 1 degree

but

> never get above 97.3...which is still better than I used to be.

>

> Could the thyroid hormone resistance be related to my having gone

> untreated for many, many years? My doctor sent me info on this

> before...I'll have to dig it up and re-read it.

>

> I'm just worried that his previous troubles with our State Medical

> Board for using Armour and other " natural " remedies is going to

keep

> him from going the limit with me should I need much more. He

doesn't

> even know yet that I'm at 4 grains! LOL

>

> He gave me the go ahead after my last labs 2 months ago to

> " experiment " with my dose...so I have been gradually increasing

every

> 2-3 weeks with absolutely no side effects and very little

improvement.

>

> Thanks again, Janie.

>

> ~

[Guest guest]

Yup, you could be thyroid hormone resistant, which means you are

tissue resistant...and your temps make that mighty suspicious. Or,

your adrenals are a factor. Here's a very detailed study of thyroid

hormone resistance (go get your cup of coffee and make sure your

computer chair has a cushion):

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/123/8/572

Once you get up to 4-6 grains, and have no good response, it's time

to consider adding Cytomel.....And hang in there, dear one. Your

time will come!!

Janie

> Hi Janie and thanks for your response. I appreciate it.

>

> Yes, I'm doing the 24 hour test and will also be having DHEA and

sex

> hormones tested. I'm 44 and had a hysterectomy at 24...so who

knows

> where my hormones are!

>

> My ferritin was tested about 2 months ago and is 91. My FT3 at

that

> time was 252 (230-420), which was after 3 months on Armour

including 7

> weeks on 2 grains. I'll probably have my next labs done in a

month.

>

> I don't usually take my temp in the afternoon but today I did as I

was

> feeling feverish...it was 97.4 orally. This morning my BBT was

96.6.

> I've been tracking my BBT for the last 5 weeks at my doctor's

request

> and have noticed that I tend to go up and down by 1/2 to 1 degree

but

> never get above 97.3...which is still better than I used to be.

>

> Could the thyroid hormone resistance be related to my having gone

> untreated for many, many years? My doctor sent me info on this

> before...I'll have to dig it up and re-read it.

>

> I'm just worried that his previous troubles with our State Medical

> Board for using Armour and other " natural " remedies is going to

keep

> him from going the limit with me should I need much more. He

doesn't

> even know yet that I'm at 4 grains! LOL

>

> He gave me the go ahead after my last labs 2 months ago to

> " experiment " with my dose...so I have been gradually increasing

every

> 2-3 weeks with absolutely no side effects and very little

improvement.

>

> Thanks again, Janie.

>

> ~

[Guest guest]

Yup, you could be thyroid hormone resistant, which means you are

tissue resistant...and your temps make that mighty suspicious. Or,

your adrenals are a factor. Here's a very detailed study of thyroid

hormone resistance (go get your cup of coffee and make sure your

computer chair has a cushion):

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/123/8/572

Once you get up to 4-6 grains, and have no good response, it's time

to consider adding Cytomel.....And hang in there, dear one. Your

time will come!!

Janie

> Hi Janie and thanks for your response. I appreciate it.

>

> Yes, I'm doing the 24 hour test and will also be having DHEA and

sex

> hormones tested. I'm 44 and had a hysterectomy at 24...so who

knows

> where my hormones are!

>

> My ferritin was tested about 2 months ago and is 91. My FT3 at

that

> time was 252 (230-420), which was after 3 months on Armour

including 7

> weeks on 2 grains. I'll probably have my next labs done in a

month.

>

> I don't usually take my temp in the afternoon but today I did as I

was

> feeling feverish...it was 97.4 orally. This morning my BBT was

96.6.

> I've been tracking my BBT for the last 5 weeks at my doctor's

request

> and have noticed that I tend to go up and down by 1/2 to 1 degree

but

> never get above 97.3...which is still better than I used to be.

>

> Could the thyroid hormone resistance be related to my having gone

> untreated for many, many years? My doctor sent me info on this

> before...I'll have to dig it up and re-read it.

>

> I'm just worried that his previous troubles with our State Medical

> Board for using Armour and other " natural " remedies is going to

keep

> him from going the limit with me should I need much more. He

doesn't

> even know yet that I'm at 4 grains! LOL

>

> He gave me the go ahead after my last labs 2 months ago to

> " experiment " with my dose...so I have been gradually increasing

every

> 2-3 weeks with absolutely no side effects and very little

improvement.

>

> Thanks again, Janie.

>

> ~

[Guest guest]

Janie...thanks so much for the link. Very interesting! I scanned it

over and will read it in depth with my morning coffee.

" loboshe " wrote:

> And hang in there, dear one. Your

> time will come!!

>

> Janie

I think I needed to hear this reassurance...thanks!

*hugs*

~

[Guest guest]

Janie...thanks so much for the link. Very interesting! I scanned it

over and will read it in depth with my morning coffee.

" loboshe " wrote:

> And hang in there, dear one. Your

> time will come!!

>

> Janie

I think I needed to hear this reassurance...thanks!

*hugs*

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