Re: quality of life issues now or osteoporosis later

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In a message dated 3/26/2005 10:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

suzqrstuz@... writes:

> There are studies that prove either way. It seems to me that there are

> not enough studies done on people on long-term thyroid hormone

> replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid levels to

> be definative. I'm still scared.

>

> The quandry is that I really can't function on this lower dose of

> armour, even with the synthroid. I feel awful.

well...you know for sure that hypo is bad for your bones....so I'd be more

concerned about that.

as far as the studies...there is NO definitive proof that a suppressed TSH

causes osteoporosis. And if fact, the risks they talk about appear to be in

post menopausal women....so who knows if what they saw even had any relation to

thyroid hormone - as opposed to other female hormones.

I'd stop worrying about a suppressed TSH...it's gonna be suppressed if you're

optimally treated. And not being optimally treated will cause you to have a

whole lot more problems than a " maybe " on the bones.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/26/2005 10:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

suzqrstuz@... writes:

> There are studies that prove either way. It seems to me that there are

> not enough studies done on people on long-term thyroid hormone

> replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid levels to

> be definative. I'm still scared.

>

> The quandry is that I really can't function on this lower dose of

> armour, even with the synthroid. I feel awful.

well...you know for sure that hypo is bad for your bones....so I'd be more

concerned about that.

as far as the studies...there is NO definitive proof that a suppressed TSH

causes osteoporosis. And if fact, the risks they talk about appear to be in

post menopausal women....so who knows if what they saw even had any relation to

thyroid hormone - as opposed to other female hormones.

I'd stop worrying about a suppressed TSH...it's gonna be suppressed if you're

optimally treated. And not being optimally treated will cause you to have a

whole lot more problems than a " maybe " on the bones.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/26/2005 10:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

suzqrstuz@... writes:

> There are studies that prove either way. It seems to me that there are

> not enough studies done on people on long-term thyroid hormone

> replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid levels to

> be definative. I'm still scared.

>

> The quandry is that I really can't function on this lower dose of

> armour, even with the synthroid. I feel awful.

well...you know for sure that hypo is bad for your bones....so I'd be more

concerned about that.

as far as the studies...there is NO definitive proof that a suppressed TSH

causes osteoporosis. And if fact, the risks they talk about appear to be in

post menopausal women....so who knows if what they saw even had any relation to

thyroid hormone - as opposed to other female hormones.

I'd stop worrying about a suppressed TSH...it's gonna be suppressed if you're

optimally treated. And not being optimally treated will cause you to have a

whole lot more problems than a " maybe " on the bones.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

>>It seems to me that there are

not enough studies done on people on long-term thyroid hormone

replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid levels to

be definative. I'm still scared.

The quandry is that I really can't function on this lower dose of

armour, even with the synthroid. I feel awful. The fuzzy thinking is

my first and most distressing symptom. Just when I need to be able to

research and make decisions I am unable to finish a sentence. I'm

embarrassed to admit how long it's taking me to write this.<<

OK Listen to yourself. Re-read what I copied into this post.

>>thyroid hormone replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid

levels <<

Euthroid levels are NOT obtained by dosing by the TSH. TSH is a PITUITARY

hormone, NOT a thyroid hormone. Euthroid means NORMAL thyroid. Is your thyroid

normal when you feel this bad? Mine isn't! Replacing the hormones that your body

should be making if it were working right is NOT going to hurt you in any way. I

just don't believe that. I think taking too much SYNTHROID which is lacking in

Calcitonin is what has caused the problems with the tests that showed low TSH

and low bone density. Synthroid has NO Calcitonin. ALL the studies done on TSH

and bone density were done with synthetic T4 replacement, not Armour which

contains Calcitonin, which has been shown to build bones in lab studies. Hope

this helps clear your mind.. I know when thyroid brain fog is bad it is hard to

understand things we read.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>It seems to me that there are

not enough studies done on people on long-term thyroid hormone

replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid levels to

be definative. I'm still scared.

The quandry is that I really can't function on this lower dose of

armour, even with the synthroid. I feel awful. The fuzzy thinking is

my first and most distressing symptom. Just when I need to be able to

research and make decisions I am unable to finish a sentence. I'm

embarrassed to admit how long it's taking me to write this.<<

OK Listen to yourself. Re-read what I copied into this post.

>>thyroid hormone replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid

levels <<

Euthroid levels are NOT obtained by dosing by the TSH. TSH is a PITUITARY

hormone, NOT a thyroid hormone. Euthroid means NORMAL thyroid. Is your thyroid

normal when you feel this bad? Mine isn't! Replacing the hormones that your body

should be making if it were working right is NOT going to hurt you in any way. I

just don't believe that. I think taking too much SYNTHROID which is lacking in

Calcitonin is what has caused the problems with the tests that showed low TSH

and low bone density. Synthroid has NO Calcitonin. ALL the studies done on TSH

and bone density were done with synthetic T4 replacement, not Armour which

contains Calcitonin, which has been shown to build bones in lab studies. Hope

this helps clear your mind.. I know when thyroid brain fog is bad it is hard to

understand things we read.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>>It seems to me that there are

not enough studies done on people on long-term thyroid hormone

replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid levels to

be definative. I'm still scared.

The quandry is that I really can't function on this lower dose of

armour, even with the synthroid. I feel awful. The fuzzy thinking is

my first and most distressing symptom. Just when I need to be able to

research and make decisions I am unable to finish a sentence. I'm

embarrassed to admit how long it's taking me to write this.<<

OK Listen to yourself. Re-read what I copied into this post.

>>thyroid hormone replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below euthyroid

levels <<

Euthroid levels are NOT obtained by dosing by the TSH. TSH is a PITUITARY

hormone, NOT a thyroid hormone. Euthroid means NORMAL thyroid. Is your thyroid

normal when you feel this bad? Mine isn't! Replacing the hormones that your body

should be making if it were working right is NOT going to hurt you in any way. I

just don't believe that. I think taking too much SYNTHROID which is lacking in

Calcitonin is what has caused the problems with the tests that showed low TSH

and low bone density. Synthroid has NO Calcitonin. ALL the studies done on TSH

and bone density were done with synthetic T4 replacement, not Armour which

contains Calcitonin, which has been shown to build bones in lab studies. Hope

this helps clear your mind.. I know when thyroid brain fog is bad it is hard to

understand things we read.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>

> I'd stop worrying about a suppressed TSH...it's gonna be suppressed

if you're

> optimally treated. And not being optimally treated will cause you

to have a

> whole lot more problems than a " maybe " on the bones.

> Cindi

>

I think you're right Cindi. I'm ready to work on lifting weights or

other preventive methods.

I guess what I really need to know is how to handle my doctor.

Has anyone else gone to their doctor with letters from family members

requesting more thyroid meds for their poor hypothyroid loved one?

What works?

And what do you tell your doctor when you self-medicate?

[Guest guest]

>

> I'd stop worrying about a suppressed TSH...it's gonna be suppressed

if you're

> optimally treated. And not being optimally treated will cause you

to have a

> whole lot more problems than a " maybe " on the bones.

> Cindi

>

I think you're right Cindi. I'm ready to work on lifting weights or

other preventive methods.

I guess what I really need to know is how to handle my doctor.

Has anyone else gone to their doctor with letters from family members

requesting more thyroid meds for their poor hypothyroid loved one?

What works?

And what do you tell your doctor when you self-medicate?

[Guest guest]

>

> I'd stop worrying about a suppressed TSH...it's gonna be suppressed

if you're

> optimally treated. And not being optimally treated will cause you

to have a

> whole lot more problems than a " maybe " on the bones.

> Cindi

>

I think you're right Cindi. I'm ready to work on lifting weights or

other preventive methods.

I guess what I really need to know is how to handle my doctor.

Has anyone else gone to their doctor with letters from family members

requesting more thyroid meds for their poor hypothyroid loved one?

What works?

And what do you tell your doctor when you self-medicate?

[Guest guest]

..<<

>

> OK Listen to yourself. Re-read what I copied into this post.

> >>thyroid hormone replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below

euthyroid levels <<

>

>

> Euthroid levels are NOT obtained by dosing by the TSH. TSH is a

PITUITARY hormone, NOT a thyroid hormone. Euthroid means NORMAL

thyroid. Is your thyroid normal when you feel this bad? Mine isn't!

Replacing the hormones that your body should be making if it were

working right is NOT going to hurt you in any way. I just don't

believe that. I think taking too much SYNTHROID which is lacking in

Calcitonin is what has caused the problems with the tests that showed

low TSH and low bone density. Synthroid has NO Calcitonin. ALL the

studies done on TSH and bone density were done with synthetic T4

replacement, not Armour which contains Calcitonin, which has been

shown to build bones in lab studies. Hope this helps clear your mind..

I know when thyroid brain fog is bad it is hard to understand things

we read.

>

>

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

*blush***blush***

You are so right!!!

Last visit my doctor wanted to know why I wanted to go on Armour(?)

and I told him (amoung other reasons) I was concerned about the big O

and Armour contains Calcitonin. It kind of brought him up short. I

don't think he was aware of this. This is an excellent point for me to

bring up to him in my campaign to increase my meds!

Thank you!

Suzanne, fog woman

[Guest guest]

..<<

>

> OK Listen to yourself. Re-read what I copied into this post.

> >>thyroid hormone replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below

euthyroid levels <<

>

>

> Euthroid levels are NOT obtained by dosing by the TSH. TSH is a

PITUITARY hormone, NOT a thyroid hormone. Euthroid means NORMAL

thyroid. Is your thyroid normal when you feel this bad? Mine isn't!

Replacing the hormones that your body should be making if it were

working right is NOT going to hurt you in any way. I just don't

believe that. I think taking too much SYNTHROID which is lacking in

Calcitonin is what has caused the problems with the tests that showed

low TSH and low bone density. Synthroid has NO Calcitonin. ALL the

studies done on TSH and bone density were done with synthetic T4

replacement, not Armour which contains Calcitonin, which has been

shown to build bones in lab studies. Hope this helps clear your mind..

I know when thyroid brain fog is bad it is hard to understand things

we read.

>

>

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

*blush***blush***

You are so right!!!

Last visit my doctor wanted to know why I wanted to go on Armour(?)

and I told him (amoung other reasons) I was concerned about the big O

and Armour contains Calcitonin. It kind of brought him up short. I

don't think he was aware of this. This is an excellent point for me to

bring up to him in my campaign to increase my meds!

Thank you!

Suzanne, fog woman

[Guest guest]

..<<

>

> OK Listen to yourself. Re-read what I copied into this post.

> >>thyroid hormone replacement suppressing their TSH to levels below

euthyroid levels <<

>

>

> Euthroid levels are NOT obtained by dosing by the TSH. TSH is a

PITUITARY hormone, NOT a thyroid hormone. Euthroid means NORMAL

thyroid. Is your thyroid normal when you feel this bad? Mine isn't!

Replacing the hormones that your body should be making if it were

working right is NOT going to hurt you in any way. I just don't

believe that. I think taking too much SYNTHROID which is lacking in

Calcitonin is what has caused the problems with the tests that showed

low TSH and low bone density. Synthroid has NO Calcitonin. ALL the

studies done on TSH and bone density were done with synthetic T4

replacement, not Armour which contains Calcitonin, which has been

shown to build bones in lab studies. Hope this helps clear your mind..

I know when thyroid brain fog is bad it is hard to understand things

we read.

>

>

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

*blush***blush***

You are so right!!!

Last visit my doctor wanted to know why I wanted to go on Armour(?)

and I told him (amoung other reasons) I was concerned about the big O

and Armour contains Calcitonin. It kind of brought him up short. I

don't think he was aware of this. This is an excellent point for me to

bring up to him in my campaign to increase my meds!

Thank you!

Suzanne, fog woman

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >

> > I'd stop worrying about a suppressed TSH...it's gonna be suppressed

> if you're

> > optimally treated. And not being optimally treated will cause you

> to have a

> > whole lot more problems than a " maybe " on the bones.

> > Cindi

> >

>

> I think you're right Cindi. I'm ready to work on lifting weights or

> other preventive methods.

>

> I guess what I really need to know is how to handle my doctor.

>

> Has anyone else gone to their doctor with letters from family members

> requesting more thyroid meds for their poor hypothyroid loved one?

>

> What works?

>

> And what do you tell your doctor when you self-medicate?

Use the doc for weitht training. May be when he is looking sown at

you, because his feet are a foot off the floor, he will realize you

are serious.

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with here. NO studies were ever done on

Armour and osteoporosis. It was never noticed as a problem, except

in cases of overt hyperthyroidism, from the late 1800s up untill

about 1975, when Synthroid came into common use. It is rarely

mentioned in old research texts and if it is, it is in relation to

overt hyperthyroidism and Graves. When Synthroid came on the scene,

osteoporosis started to be noticed on occasion. The early Synthroid

doses were 400 to 500 mcg. That was what it took to make the patient

feel well, since Synthroid is not very efficient at giving energy.

On top of that, the osteoporosis/Synthroid dose issue still has not

been fully resolved today. Studies are not conclusive. Some show no

problems with Synthroid and osteoporosis and others do.

To find out for yourself that there are no studies ever done with

Armour and Osteoporosis, go to the Thyroid History website

http://www.thyroidhistory.net/thyroidhistory.net/index.asp

Type in Osteoporosis in the search keyword and see what you find.

All studies were done recently and all with T4 only meds.

If you find an old study on osteoporosis and Armour, please pass it

on. I have not found one in several years of looking.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tish for posting this link again! I just LOVE spending hours browsing

this thyroid history website! It never fails to amaze me how much of our hypo

problems started with the introduction of Synthroid and the TSH test! BTW, is

everyone aware that the makers of Synthroid are ALSO the makers of the TSH test?

Interesting huh?

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/