Re: Synthorid Armour question

[Guest guest]

One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses in

the day.

Tish

[Guest guest]

One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses in

the day.

Tish

[Guest guest]

One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses in

the day.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone ever,

honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a few

weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been about 1

1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

wonderfully for me. Janie )

> One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

> your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

> problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses

in

> the day.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone ever,

honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a few

weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been about 1

1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

wonderfully for me. Janie )

> One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

> your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

> problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses

in

> the day.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone ever,

honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a few

weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been about 1

1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

wonderfully for me. Janie )

> One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

> your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

> problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses

in

> the day.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

I'm confused.

Janie - what do you think I should do, take more? Thanks.

Re: Synthorid Armour question

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>

> Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone ever,

> honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

> dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a few

> weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

> conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been about 1

> 1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

> wonderfully for me. Janie )

>

> > One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

> > your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

> > problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses

> in

> > the day.

> >

> > Tish

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[Guest guest]

I'm confused.

Janie - what do you think I should do, take more? Thanks.

Re: Synthorid Armour question

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>

> Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone ever,

> honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

> dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a few

> weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

> conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been about 1

> 1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

> wonderfully for me. Janie )

>

> > One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

> > your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

> > problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses

> in

> > the day.

> >

> > Tish

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[Guest guest]

I'm confused.

Janie - what do you think I should do, take more? Thanks.

Re: Synthorid Armour question

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>

> Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone ever,

> honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

> dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a few

> weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

> conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been about 1

> 1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

> wonderfully for me. Janie )

>

> > One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid. So,

> > your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too much

> > problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more doses

> in

> > the day.

> >

> > Tish

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi . Those charts are definitely confusing! LOL. Here's what

you need to know: no matter how much Synthroid you had been on, it's

wise and prudent to start on a low dose of Armour. Some can start on

1 grain fine; some may feel more comfortable starting on less. Why??

Because your body may need to adjust to getting direct T3 again. You

could have adrenal issues and not know it--so starting a low dose of

Armour is wise. Or, you could have exceptionally low Ferritin and

not know it--so starting on a low dose is wise. Or, like me, you

could have MVP and not know it---I did know it, but starting on even

3/4 grain caused my palps to suddenly increase from 1-2 times a

year, to daily and hourly when I started on that 3/4 grain!! LOL.

Not life threatening, but it did tell me that I was wise to have

started on less than one grain!

Whatever you start on, you then want to start raising within 2-3

weeks, such as going up 1/4 to 1/2 grain at a time, and holding each

raise for 2 weeks or so, before doing it again.

Once you get up to 2 grains, it's then wise to start holding the

dose for 4-5 weeks. That's the minimum time it can take for the T4

to build in your system, and for you to see the T4 to T3 conversion

results fully.

I was on .125 Levoxyl, and my optimal dose ended up being 3 1/4

grains. At first, I thought it was 2 grains, since the latter gave

me great energy and other benefits. But........I experimented

further, going up 1/4 grain at a time.......until viola....I was up

to 3 grains and even MORE benefits.

Don't go by those equivalency charts if you think that is the dose

you will feel wonderful on. It's not.

Janie

> I'm confused.

>

> Janie - what do you think I should do, take more? Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . Those charts are definitely confusing! LOL. Here's what

you need to know: no matter how much Synthroid you had been on, it's

wise and prudent to start on a low dose of Armour. Some can start on

1 grain fine; some may feel more comfortable starting on less. Why??

Because your body may need to adjust to getting direct T3 again. You

could have adrenal issues and not know it--so starting a low dose of

Armour is wise. Or, you could have exceptionally low Ferritin and

not know it--so starting on a low dose is wise. Or, like me, you

could have MVP and not know it---I did know it, but starting on even

3/4 grain caused my palps to suddenly increase from 1-2 times a

year, to daily and hourly when I started on that 3/4 grain!! LOL.

Not life threatening, but it did tell me that I was wise to have

started on less than one grain!

Whatever you start on, you then want to start raising within 2-3

weeks, such as going up 1/4 to 1/2 grain at a time, and holding each

raise for 2 weeks or so, before doing it again.

Once you get up to 2 grains, it's then wise to start holding the

dose for 4-5 weeks. That's the minimum time it can take for the T4

to build in your system, and for you to see the T4 to T3 conversion

results fully.

I was on .125 Levoxyl, and my optimal dose ended up being 3 1/4

grains. At first, I thought it was 2 grains, since the latter gave

me great energy and other benefits. But........I experimented

further, going up 1/4 grain at a time.......until viola....I was up

to 3 grains and even MORE benefits.

Don't go by those equivalency charts if you think that is the dose

you will feel wonderful on. It's not.

Janie

> I'm confused.

>

> Janie - what do you think I should do, take more? Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

I know that 74mcg of synthroid does not exactly equal 1 grain of

Armour to each individual. But, you have to have somewhere to start.

This is the conversion that is commonly given for converting

Synthroid to Armour. How each person handles Armour vs. Synthroid is

very different. I personally don't like giving up ground (doses)

that I have fought hard to get to. I don't think that many people

will have a meltdown from a direct conversion of Synthroid. It would

depend on their adrenal status. They might feel stressed from it a

little. But, the problem I have with dropping your dose down so low

to switch is that on the other side, you are going to run out of

energy some period in the day, get pooped out and have to rest or

crash, and get other worsening hypo symptoms. Also, too big a drop

in total thyroid dose is hard on the adrenals in itself since they

will put out more cortisol to try and increase conversion of T4 to

get energy. I don't think it's exactly good for a person to become

more hyper for perhaps weeks or months just to switch. I would be

more inclined to do a direct switch, monitor my symptoms carefully,

and if I had trouble with it, then drop down only the amount to get

rid of symptoms of hyper.

The Synthroid conversion number is based on giving the T3 in Armour

four times the strength of T4. So, the direct T3 is being

compensated for to some extent.

But, in the interest of science and because I could be totally out

to lunch here, I'd like to do a survery and see how many people were

not able to handle an Armour dose that was converted from a

Synthoroid dose using about 74 mcg of Synthroid=1 grain Armour

conversion. How many found that they had to drop to some very small

Armour dose and start over with raises?

I'm a good converter of Synthroid so it has never been that big a

problem for me in the past switching using 74 mcg = 1 grain of

Armour.

Is there anybody here with experience with this?

Tish

[Guest guest]

I know that 74mcg of synthroid does not exactly equal 1 grain of

Armour to each individual. But, you have to have somewhere to start.

This is the conversion that is commonly given for converting

Synthroid to Armour. How each person handles Armour vs. Synthroid is

very different. I personally don't like giving up ground (doses)

that I have fought hard to get to. I don't think that many people

will have a meltdown from a direct conversion of Synthroid. It would

depend on their adrenal status. They might feel stressed from it a

little. But, the problem I have with dropping your dose down so low

to switch is that on the other side, you are going to run out of

energy some period in the day, get pooped out and have to rest or

crash, and get other worsening hypo symptoms. Also, too big a drop

in total thyroid dose is hard on the adrenals in itself since they

will put out more cortisol to try and increase conversion of T4 to

get energy. I don't think it's exactly good for a person to become

more hyper for perhaps weeks or months just to switch. I would be

more inclined to do a direct switch, monitor my symptoms carefully,

and if I had trouble with it, then drop down only the amount to get

rid of symptoms of hyper.

The Synthroid conversion number is based on giving the T3 in Armour

four times the strength of T4. So, the direct T3 is being

compensated for to some extent.

But, in the interest of science and because I could be totally out

to lunch here, I'd like to do a survery and see how many people were

not able to handle an Armour dose that was converted from a

Synthoroid dose using about 74 mcg of Synthroid=1 grain Armour

conversion. How many found that they had to drop to some very small

Armour dose and start over with raises?

I'm a good converter of Synthroid so it has never been that big a

problem for me in the past switching using 74 mcg = 1 grain of

Armour.

Is there anybody here with experience with this?

Tish

[Guest guest]

I know that 74mcg of synthroid does not exactly equal 1 grain of

Armour to each individual. But, you have to have somewhere to start.

This is the conversion that is commonly given for converting

Synthroid to Armour. How each person handles Armour vs. Synthroid is

very different. I personally don't like giving up ground (doses)

that I have fought hard to get to. I don't think that many people

will have a meltdown from a direct conversion of Synthroid. It would

depend on their adrenal status. They might feel stressed from it a

little. But, the problem I have with dropping your dose down so low

to switch is that on the other side, you are going to run out of

energy some period in the day, get pooped out and have to rest or

crash, and get other worsening hypo symptoms. Also, too big a drop

in total thyroid dose is hard on the adrenals in itself since they

will put out more cortisol to try and increase conversion of T4 to

get energy. I don't think it's exactly good for a person to become

more hyper for perhaps weeks or months just to switch. I would be

more inclined to do a direct switch, monitor my symptoms carefully,

and if I had trouble with it, then drop down only the amount to get

rid of symptoms of hyper.

The Synthroid conversion number is based on giving the T3 in Armour

four times the strength of T4. So, the direct T3 is being

compensated for to some extent.

But, in the interest of science and because I could be totally out

to lunch here, I'd like to do a survery and see how many people were

not able to handle an Armour dose that was converted from a

Synthoroid dose using about 74 mcg of Synthroid=1 grain Armour

conversion. How many found that they had to drop to some very small

Armour dose and start over with raises?

I'm a good converter of Synthroid so it has never been that big a

problem for me in the past switching using 74 mcg = 1 grain of

Armour.

Is there anybody here with experience with this?

Tish

[Guest guest]

Tish,

I agree with your theory, because I was converted to a too low dose

of Armour. I went from 125 mcg of Synthroid to 1 grain of Armour,

(your formula would put it between 1-1/2 and 1-3/4 grains). I felt

great for 2 days, then worse than ever. I had a crash when I

increased to 1-1/4 grains, and another small meltdown when I

increased to 1-1/2 grains, (although the licorice tea helped a bit

after I forced myself to drink it . Today, I am trying another 1/4

grain increase - to 1-3/4 grains. I'll have to see if I crash again

tomorrow or if I can actually handle it.

FYI - The Armour RX sheet says " The usual starting dose is 30 mg

Armour Thyroid, with increments of 15 mg every 2 to 3 weeks " , but it

doesn't say if that's only for untreated patients or also for

switching from T4. It also says " Most patients require 60 to 120

mg/day. Failure to respond to doses of 180 mg suggests lack of

compliance(?) or malabsorption. "

Joyce

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>

> But, in the interest of science and because I could be totally out

> to lunch here, I'd like to do a survery and see how many people

were

> not able to handle an Armour dose that was converted from a

> Synthoroid dose using about 74 mcg of Synthroid=1 grain Armour

> conversion. How many found that they had to drop to some very

small

> Armour dose and start over with raises?

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/28/2005 7:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cynthia@... writes:

> . If

> he introduced too much t3 at once, it could become inflammed again. Whatever

> his strategy was, it worked great.

>

well that's a new one. anyone else ever hear of the thyroid being inflamed

by oral T3?

cindi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/28/2005 7:24:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cynthia@... writes:

> . If

> he introduced too much t3 at once, it could become inflammed again. Whatever

> his strategy was, it worked great.

>

well that's a new one. anyone else ever hear of the thyroid being inflamed

by oral T3?

cindi

[Guest guest]

>

> Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone

ever,

> honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

> dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a

few

> weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

> conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been

about 1

> 1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

> wonderfully for me. Janie )

**********************************

Most likely, the dose you were on was that much short of what you

needed to 'feel good'. It is not that the conversion factor was

wrong, your doc was WRONG.

>

> > One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid.

So,

> > your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too

much

> > problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more

doses

> in

> > the day.

> >

> > Tish

[Guest guest]

>

> Tish, the conversion you state has not been accurate for anyone

ever,

> honestly, if she is thinking that it will end up being a wonderful

> dose for her. One grain, in fact, will make her feel worse over a

few

> weeks. None of the conversion charts are accurate, either. The

> conversion for the amount of Levoxyl I was on would have been

about 1

> 1/4 grains of Armour---and that was 2 grains short of what worked

> wonderfully for me. Janie )

**********************************

Most likely, the dose you were on was that much short of what you

needed to 'feel good'. It is not that the conversion factor was

wrong, your doc was WRONG.

>

> > One grain of Armour is about equivelent to 74 mcg of Synthroid.

So,

> > your conversion is pretty close. Hopefully you won't have too

much

> > problem with the extra T3. If you can, break it up into more

doses

> in

> > the day.

> >

> > Tish

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that he had surpressed my own thyroid (because of the

inflammation) so it was no longer producing or not producing as much t3. If

he introduced too much t3 at once, it could become inflammed again. Whatever

his strategy was, it worked great.

Re: Re: Synthorid Armour question

>

> In a message dated 3/28/2005 4:09:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> cynthia@... writes:

>

> > and he didn't want to give me too much t3 at one time and re-inflame

> > the thyroid

>

> the thyroid puts out T3 itself...why would giving you what your own

thyroid

> produces be risky? this sounded a bit suspicious to me.

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

>

> > But, in the interest of science and because I could be totally

out

> > to lunch here, I'd like to do a survery and see how many people

> were

> > not able to handle an Armour dose that was converted from a

> > Synthoroid dose using about 74 mcg of Synthroid=1 grain Armour

> > conversion. How many found that they had to drop to some very

> small

> > Armour dose and start over with raises?

> >

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

>

> > But, in the interest of science and because I could be totally

out

> > to lunch here, I'd like to do a survery and see how many people

> were

> > not able to handle an Armour dose that was converted from a

> > Synthoroid dose using about 74 mcg of Synthroid=1 grain Armour

> > conversion. How many found that they had to drop to some very

> small

> > Armour dose and start over with raises?

> >

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

>

> > But, in the interest of science and because I could be totally

out

> > to lunch here, I'd like to do a survery and see how many people

> were

> > not able to handle an Armour dose that was converted from a

> > Synthoroid dose using about 74 mcg of Synthroid=1 grain Armour

> > conversion. How many found that they had to drop to some very

> small

> > Armour dose and start over with raises?

> >