Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 > Yesterday I dropped back to the one grain a day since I was such a wench the day before when I took 1 1/2. BUT I hurt so bad.... every muscle in my body...and I was sick to my stomach. ? _______________ I'll bet you this is adrenal stress. Just dropping back down once you've stressed your adrenals with a dose raise does not fix it right away. It can take days for the adrenals to recover. We're talking 3 days or more. Classic sign of overly stressed adrenals is nausea. ____________________ Very... later in the day. The morning was fine. ______________________ It's complicated, but raising thyroid and then dropping it is sort of hard on the system. Keeping it raised when your adrenals are overstressed by it and can't handle it is also a stress. __________________- Any thoughts? I had been feeling pretty good on the one grain initially, if a mite under-medicated overall, cranky at 1 and a half, then yesterday back at the single grain - YUCK! Today I've only taken half a grain. Plan to take another half in a few hours for spacing it out. I'm not sick right now. do have mild muscle ache, but then I usually do. ____________________ Typically, in adrenal stress, you develop sore muscles, tightness, pain and general misery. Also, your thyroid dose is not sufficient and this is adding to your problems. But, since you are having adrenal problems, you will only be able to make small dose raises and wait some time before another. I could only handle 1/8 grain raises and I had to wait about 4 weeks before another. Each dose raise stressed my adrenals and made me miserable for several days. The adrenals take quite some time to adapt to thyroid dose raises. The amount of circulating thyroid hormone controls the size and function of the adrenals. So, if you have been hypothyroid for some time, the adrenals become weak. Adrenal output needs to be in balance with thyroid. So, when you add thyroid to the system and have weak adrenal function, you quickly deplete the adrenals and they can't keep up with the new demands of a faster metabolic rate. So, when adrenal cortisol goes too low, it gets out of balance with thyroid and then thyroid can't work or get into tissues. It will start to build up in the blood and give symptoms of thyroid excess. Along with it you will get the adrenal stress misery. Since cortisol controls inflammation and the ability of muscles to get the energy they need, you can get quite miserable when cortisol goes too low. Typically in hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue, it will take the adrenals 4 months to 2 years to regain normal function with thyroid hormone treatment. You also have to go slow with raises and wait untill you can tolerate them. Also, you will suffer for a while after each raise and will have to rest more and take better care of yourself to help the adrenals recover. You need to reduce stress to take some of the burden off the adrenals. It is going to take you a long time to get your thyroid adjusted up to where it needs to be and it will be a rocky time. It took me over a year to get my thyroid dose up to where I feel the best and I still have adrenal problems. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 > Yesterday I dropped back to the one grain a day since I was such a wench the day before when I took 1 1/2. BUT I hurt so bad.... every muscle in my body...and I was sick to my stomach. ? _______________ I'll bet you this is adrenal stress. Just dropping back down once you've stressed your adrenals with a dose raise does not fix it right away. It can take days for the adrenals to recover. We're talking 3 days or more. Classic sign of overly stressed adrenals is nausea. ____________________ Very... later in the day. The morning was fine. ______________________ It's complicated, but raising thyroid and then dropping it is sort of hard on the system. Keeping it raised when your adrenals are overstressed by it and can't handle it is also a stress. __________________- Any thoughts? I had been feeling pretty good on the one grain initially, if a mite under-medicated overall, cranky at 1 and a half, then yesterday back at the single grain - YUCK! Today I've only taken half a grain. Plan to take another half in a few hours for spacing it out. I'm not sick right now. do have mild muscle ache, but then I usually do. ____________________ Typically, in adrenal stress, you develop sore muscles, tightness, pain and general misery. Also, your thyroid dose is not sufficient and this is adding to your problems. But, since you are having adrenal problems, you will only be able to make small dose raises and wait some time before another. I could only handle 1/8 grain raises and I had to wait about 4 weeks before another. Each dose raise stressed my adrenals and made me miserable for several days. The adrenals take quite some time to adapt to thyroid dose raises. The amount of circulating thyroid hormone controls the size and function of the adrenals. So, if you have been hypothyroid for some time, the adrenals become weak. Adrenal output needs to be in balance with thyroid. So, when you add thyroid to the system and have weak adrenal function, you quickly deplete the adrenals and they can't keep up with the new demands of a faster metabolic rate. So, when adrenal cortisol goes too low, it gets out of balance with thyroid and then thyroid can't work or get into tissues. It will start to build up in the blood and give symptoms of thyroid excess. Along with it you will get the adrenal stress misery. Since cortisol controls inflammation and the ability of muscles to get the energy they need, you can get quite miserable when cortisol goes too low. Typically in hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue, it will take the adrenals 4 months to 2 years to regain normal function with thyroid hormone treatment. You also have to go slow with raises and wait untill you can tolerate them. Also, you will suffer for a while after each raise and will have to rest more and take better care of yourself to help the adrenals recover. You need to reduce stress to take some of the burden off the adrenals. It is going to take you a long time to get your thyroid adjusted up to where it needs to be and it will be a rocky time. It took me over a year to get my thyroid dose up to where I feel the best and I still have adrenal problems. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 > Yesterday I dropped back to the one grain a day since I was such a wench the day before when I took 1 1/2. BUT I hurt so bad.... every muscle in my body...and I was sick to my stomach. ? _______________ I'll bet you this is adrenal stress. Just dropping back down once you've stressed your adrenals with a dose raise does not fix it right away. It can take days for the adrenals to recover. We're talking 3 days or more. Classic sign of overly stressed adrenals is nausea. ____________________ Very... later in the day. The morning was fine. ______________________ It's complicated, but raising thyroid and then dropping it is sort of hard on the system. Keeping it raised when your adrenals are overstressed by it and can't handle it is also a stress. __________________- Any thoughts? I had been feeling pretty good on the one grain initially, if a mite under-medicated overall, cranky at 1 and a half, then yesterday back at the single grain - YUCK! Today I've only taken half a grain. Plan to take another half in a few hours for spacing it out. I'm not sick right now. do have mild muscle ache, but then I usually do. ____________________ Typically, in adrenal stress, you develop sore muscles, tightness, pain and general misery. Also, your thyroid dose is not sufficient and this is adding to your problems. But, since you are having adrenal problems, you will only be able to make small dose raises and wait some time before another. I could only handle 1/8 grain raises and I had to wait about 4 weeks before another. Each dose raise stressed my adrenals and made me miserable for several days. The adrenals take quite some time to adapt to thyroid dose raises. The amount of circulating thyroid hormone controls the size and function of the adrenals. So, if you have been hypothyroid for some time, the adrenals become weak. Adrenal output needs to be in balance with thyroid. So, when you add thyroid to the system and have weak adrenal function, you quickly deplete the adrenals and they can't keep up with the new demands of a faster metabolic rate. So, when adrenal cortisol goes too low, it gets out of balance with thyroid and then thyroid can't work or get into tissues. It will start to build up in the blood and give symptoms of thyroid excess. Along with it you will get the adrenal stress misery. Since cortisol controls inflammation and the ability of muscles to get the energy they need, you can get quite miserable when cortisol goes too low. Typically in hypothyroidism and adrenal fatigue, it will take the adrenals 4 months to 2 years to regain normal function with thyroid hormone treatment. You also have to go slow with raises and wait untill you can tolerate them. Also, you will suffer for a while after each raise and will have to rest more and take better care of yourself to help the adrenals recover. You need to reduce stress to take some of the burden off the adrenals. It is going to take you a long time to get your thyroid adjusted up to where it needs to be and it will be a rocky time. It took me over a year to get my thyroid dose up to where I feel the best and I still have adrenal problems. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Why don;t you try a 1 1/4 dosage & see what that does? As you are hurting you are now back to hypo symptoms.. which the GOOD side of that is THAT is where you need to be to increase your meds ! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, " You're next. " They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Why don;t you try a 1 1/4 dosage & see what that does? As you are hurting you are now back to hypo symptoms.. which the GOOD side of that is THAT is where you need to be to increase your meds ! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, " You're next. " They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Why don;t you try a 1 1/4 dosage & see what that does? As you are hurting you are now back to hypo symptoms.. which the GOOD side of that is THAT is where you need to be to increase your meds ! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, " You're next. " They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 If you don't want to become addicted like me, here are some suggestions on how to use it to avoid addiction. You can use Isocort for a few days starting at the same time as you start a thyroid dose raise. If you use it just for a few days, you will not become dependent and can just stop after that. It will make dose raises go so much better and avoid the crash thingy a lot of the time. Use anywhere from 4 tablets a day to 8 taken as 1 to 2 tablets every 4 hours. cortisol doesn't last longer than about 4 hours in the system after you take it. Other options are to go to an every other day scheme. This can be helpful and is much less addictive. But, my advice is to not do it too long. It takes about 4 weeks of solid cortisone use to become dependent. So, occassional use when you are overly stressed, sick or otherwise pushed to the brink can be helpful and will not be addictive. I was first put on cortef prescription cortisone and switched to IsoCort. After 8 months I got off and I didn't have a lot of trouble. Then I went back on so I could do all the work I needed to pack and move in the winter. I stayed on another year plus and this time I am really having a heard time getting off. The longer you are on it, the worse it gets. So, just from my experience now, I do not recommend staying on cortisone long. Better yet to just use it occasionally for no longer than a week at a time. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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