Re: Dependency on Cortef/this is wrong!!!! Or is it??

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>Show me an

> ian on 35-40 mg for two years and I'll be able to point out

> every corticosteroid side effect in the book.

Jim,

Well, here I am! I have been taking about 32.5 mg Cortef for almost

two years and I don't have any of the corticosteroid side effects that

I know about. I don't have a moon face. I have had my bone density

tested and it is almost one standard deviation ABOVE normal for my age

and weight. I have had N-telopeptides tested and that shows that I am

not losing bone. I have gained a bit of weight but that is likely

because I eat too much and haven't been able to excersize enough.

Maybe my adrenal function is worse than yours? Or maybe I weigh more

than you? Or maybe I don't absorb the drug as well as some? Or maybe

my body metabolizes the drug faster than some? I have tried to reduce

the dose but I simply can't - and that's not because the drug

suppressed my HPA axis - my HPA axis wasn't working before I got the drug.

I do know that lots of people with 's seem to get away with a

dose of about 20 mg.

The doctor that prescribed the Cortef for me was using Jefferies book

and other sources. I am very thankful. The Cortef has transformed my

life. I lived for 14 years with severe pain and severe fatigue before

the Cortef and the Cortef was the absolutely only way out of that trap

for me.

I do like to see lots of discussion on this topic because hopefully

that will motivate people to read more.

Regards

>

> > Well...I don't want to get into an argument with ya - but I have

to take

> > exception with some things.

> > I took adrenal support (prednisolone) 10 mg. a day for about three

> > months....and I don't have all the dire things you said would

happen.

>

> I should have been both clearer and more understanding. A ten mg

disaster would be the

> result of considering it to be replacement dose and thus taking it

every day for the rest of

> your life as one must do when taking a replacement dose>

>

> > And I don't take any exception to your overall warning about

adrenal support.

> > But since you differ with at least two major thyroid docs on this

issue

> > (Langer and Durrant-Peatfield)...and everything else they say

about thyroid

> > disease is so totally accurate - I think I will put my faith in

their words.

>

> OK, as you like. I'm certainly not a thyroid doc. I've got Langer's

book infront of me and no

> where in the context of treating thyroid disease does he advocate

taking corticosteroids.

> Right at the end, in the afterword, he mentions Jeffries book and

dosing for adrenal

> exhaustion. Other than the last afterword paragraph that is all

there is so I don't see how

> you can say I disagree with a thyroid doc when he barely brings up

the subject!

>

> > Also - Armour is considered " out of date " too - and that doesn't

mean that

> > the information about Armour is null and void now.

>

> I'm not sure about the logic that connects Armour to " Safe Uses of

Cortisol " through the

> the use of the phrase " out of date. " Armour is an older product

but it is excellent and

> only considered " out of date " by people hypnotized by some idea

about how thyroxine is

> supposed to work and take care of everything for everyone.

> You know Jeffries book is very interesting and I

> only am concerned with how current it's knowledge is when it says,

for instance on page

> 13 that a replacement dose of cortisol, that is a dose suitable for

someone with no adrenal

> function, is 35-40 mg. This is just wrong and there is no way around

it. Major big time

> wrong. All I have to do is read this and I know I'm reading an old

book. Show me an

> ian on 35-40 mg for two years and I'll be able to point out

> every corticosteroid side effect in the book. I could list them but

probably uneccesary.

> Jeffries also makes the statement on the same page that people

naturally produce about

> 20 mg but ians need 35-40 mg because 60% of the HC is not

utilized when taken

> orally. This is poppycock, what can I say? HC is currently

considered to be very easily

> absorbed through the GI tract and very efficiently utilized. I only

need 17.5-19 mg/day/

> every day and I'm doing great except for some emerging pituitary

origin hypothyroid stuff.

>

> Anyway, thanks for being nice and having no urge to kill the

messenger.... Jim