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New Sweden reseach

I took the girls in for there routine check up and our doctor went to the

New

Orleans convention and he said he talked to a doctor that has been doing a

study on a medication they make from chicken eyes. Has anyone heard of this?

He wants to try it on my oldest if he can get it in the USA. The doctor who

invented it is trying to get it started here. It's the IgY of the placenta

from the egg. (The antibodies) I guess you gargle this everyday and it keep

psuedomonas away. They have doen studies over in Sweden with very good

results. Just wondering if anyone has heard of this? Deb A

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Hi,

this isn't really new. Maybe some of you, who are on the conncoll

list, remember Anki from Sweden. Her son Johan was in that egg gargle

study. But when I wanted to look the subject up on PubMed I was

surprised to see that the abstracts are gone. I have no explanation

for that. Below is the comment from the 1999 European CF conference.

It's one of those things that look so promising but seem to never

make it to the public.

Peace

Torsten

366. More than 5 Years Without Any New Chronic P. Aeruginosa

Infections at

Uppsala CF Center

HO Kollberg et al., CF Centre, Uppsala, Sweden

Inroduction: Last year we reported that we had no new chronic PA

infections

for 4 years at our centre. We now have continued another year and we

still

do not have any new chronic PA infections.

Aim of the Study: To determine if chronic PA infections can be

prevented

in CF by gargling with PA-specific antibodies from egg yolk (anti-PA

IgY).

Lab method: Specific antibodies against PA were produced by

immunizing hens

with killed PA. A solution with high specific antibody concentration

was

made from their eggs.

Clinical methods: CF pts with a sputum culture positive for PA,

but not

chronically colonized, may join the study. The pts receive an intense

anti-PA antibiotic course to eradicate PA. At the same time, they

start to

gargle every night after tooth brushing with the specific antibody

solution.

Sputum cultures have been controlled monthly and PA antibodies

yearly. 14

pts have started the study, but 5 have discontinued (3 were too young

and

unable to gargle, 2 were non-compliant).

Results: The 9 pts have been treated for 2-50 months (all

together,

>150 pt months), and none of them have got chronic PA colonisation.

Only 3

cultures have been positive -- 2 of them after interruption of daily

gargling and 1 after visiting a CF camp. These pts have immediiately

obatined a new antibiotic course, restarted the daily gargling and

continue

to be negative. This can be compared to Copenhagen where 14 CF pts

were

treated with antibiotics at their first PA-positive culture in the

same way

as ours. The Copenhagen pts were observed for 27 months: 49/214 (23%)

sputum cultures were positive for PA. Ours 3/130 = 2.3%, P<.005).

Discussion: The use of IgY has several important advantages. It

is

easy to induce very high concentrations of antibodies in eggs. The

antibodies from eggs fo not activate the human complement system.

Conclusion: The results continue to strongly indicate that

treatment

with PA antibodies from eggs has a prophylactic effect against

chronic PA

infection in CF pts.

> I took the girls in for there routine check up and our doctor

went to the New

> Orleans convention and he said he talked to a doctor that has been

doing a

> study on a medication they make from chicken eyes. Has anyone heard

of this?

> He wants to try it on my oldest if he can get it in the USA. The

doctor who

> invented it is trying to get it started here. It's the IgY of the

placenta

> from the egg. (The antibodies) I guess you gargle this everyday and

it keep

> psuedomonas away. They have doen studies over in Sweden with very

good

> results. Just wondering if anyone has heard of this? Deb A

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Hi,

this isn't really new. Maybe some of you, who are on the conncoll

list, remember Anki from Sweden. Her son Johan was in that egg gargle

study. But when I wanted to look the subject up on PubMed I was

surprised to see that the abstracts are gone. I have no explanation

for that. Below is the comment from the 1999 European CF conference.

It's one of those things that look so promising but seem to never

make it to the public.

Peace

Torsten

366. More than 5 Years Without Any New Chronic P. Aeruginosa

Infections at

Uppsala CF Center

HO Kollberg et al., CF Centre, Uppsala, Sweden

Inroduction: Last year we reported that we had no new chronic PA

infections

for 4 years at our centre. We now have continued another year and we

still

do not have any new chronic PA infections.

Aim of the Study: To determine if chronic PA infections can be

prevented

in CF by gargling with PA-specific antibodies from egg yolk (anti-PA

IgY).

Lab method: Specific antibodies against PA were produced by

immunizing hens

with killed PA. A solution with high specific antibody concentration

was

made from their eggs.

Clinical methods: CF pts with a sputum culture positive for PA,

but not

chronically colonized, may join the study. The pts receive an intense

anti-PA antibiotic course to eradicate PA. At the same time, they

start to

gargle every night after tooth brushing with the specific antibody

solution.

Sputum cultures have been controlled monthly and PA antibodies

yearly. 14

pts have started the study, but 5 have discontinued (3 were too young

and

unable to gargle, 2 were non-compliant).

Results: The 9 pts have been treated for 2-50 months (all

together,

>150 pt months), and none of them have got chronic PA colonisation.

Only 3

cultures have been positive -- 2 of them after interruption of daily

gargling and 1 after visiting a CF camp. These pts have immediiately

obatined a new antibiotic course, restarted the daily gargling and

continue

to be negative. This can be compared to Copenhagen where 14 CF pts

were

treated with antibiotics at their first PA-positive culture in the

same way

as ours. The Copenhagen pts were observed for 27 months: 49/214 (23%)

sputum cultures were positive for PA. Ours 3/130 = 2.3%, P<.005).

Discussion: The use of IgY has several important advantages. It

is

easy to induce very high concentrations of antibodies in eggs. The

antibodies from eggs fo not activate the human complement system.

Conclusion: The results continue to strongly indicate that

treatment

with PA antibodies from eggs has a prophylactic effect against

chronic PA

infection in CF pts.

> I took the girls in for there routine check up and our doctor

went to the New

> Orleans convention and he said he talked to a doctor that has been

doing a

> study on a medication they make from chicken eyes. Has anyone heard

of this?

> He wants to try it on my oldest if he can get it in the USA. The

doctor who

> invented it is trying to get it started here. It's the IgY of the

placenta

> from the egg. (The antibodies) I guess you gargle this everyday and

it keep

> psuedomonas away. They have doen studies over in Sweden with very

good

> results. Just wondering if anyone has heard of this? Deb A

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Torsten,

Our doctor here said he is having a hard time getting someone here in the USA

to produce it. I quess they had a company then they company was sold and the

new owners said they had to many other things go right now to be able to

start something new. So right now they have found a new company that will

help them to produce this drug but probably won't be available until sometime

next year. Thanks for the information! I hadn't heard anything about this and

was wondering what there fed back was on this. Deb A

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Torsten,

Our doctor here said he is having a hard time getting someone here in the USA

to produce it. I quess they had a company then they company was sold and the

new owners said they had to many other things go right now to be able to

start something new. So right now they have found a new company that will

help them to produce this drug but probably won't be available until sometime

next year. Thanks for the information! I hadn't heard anything about this and

was wondering what there fed back was on this. Deb A

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In a message dated 10/15/2002 11:40:40 AM Central Daylight Time,

Torstenkrafft@... writes:

> Torsten

Thanks for the information! I know I could count on you to have information

on it. It makes me feel a little better know others know about it but I hope

get it her soon. has been fighting psuedomonas since last year in

Oct and doing something like gargling would be a piece of cake compared to

everything we have been doing. The only thing her doctor is worried about it

the psuedomans in the nose it will still be there on less we can figure away

to get it out of her nose too. But like he says know one dies from

psuedomanas in the nose only when it stays in the lung but eventually it will

get in the lungs if it stays in her nose. All we can do is hope and pray

something will help. Thanks again Deb A

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In a message dated 10/15/2002 11:40:40 AM Central Daylight Time,

Torstenkrafft@... writes:

> Torsten

Thanks for the information! I know I could count on you to have information

on it. It makes me feel a little better know others know about it but I hope

get it her soon. has been fighting psuedomonas since last year in

Oct and doing something like gargling would be a piece of cake compared to

everything we have been doing. The only thing her doctor is worried about it

the psuedomans in the nose it will still be there on less we can figure away

to get it out of her nose too. But like he says know one dies from

psuedomanas in the nose only when it stays in the lung but eventually it will

get in the lungs if it stays in her nose. All we can do is hope and pray

something will help. Thanks again Deb A

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In a message dated 10/15/2002 11:40:40 AM Central Daylight Time,

Torstenkrafft@... writes:

> Torsten

Thanks for the information! I know I could count on you to have information

on it. It makes me feel a little better know others know about it but I hope

get it her soon. has been fighting psuedomonas since last year in

Oct and doing something like gargling would be a piece of cake compared to

everything we have been doing. The only thing her doctor is worried about it

the psuedomans in the nose it will still be there on less we can figure away

to get it out of her nose too. But like he says know one dies from

psuedomanas in the nose only when it stays in the lung but eventually it will

get in the lungs if it stays in her nose. All we can do is hope and pray

something will help. Thanks again Deb A

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In a message dated 10/15/2002 12:18:09 PM Central Daylight Time,

bevd@... writes:

> I too , believe what you said about holding those things back. I also

> feel that once their patent rights are thru & they have paid for all the

> sadden expenses of clinical trials, etc -they should then lower the

> prices. it isn't fair to have patients HAVE TO PAY ALL THEIR LIVES THE

> ADDED COST . I get really upset to see patients overcharged. Thanks

> for your help here & all the great info. I do hope your dear Fiona &

> Silke are doing well.

>

> LOVE & HUGS, grandmoMBEV

>

Our doctor told us it would probably cost as much as the Tobi and he didn't

know if our insurance would cover it being it was still in the trial stages.

But we have on a waiver program that helps pay what our insurance

doesn't so we are hoping the state will pay for it. Deb A

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Hi Deb,

that makes sense. Some years ago Pathogenesis, the maker of TOBI

acquired a license to produce the gargle. I remember that I was

totally confused why a company, that makes money from a drug that

works against PA (TOBI) was interested in a product, that would

prevent pseudomonas infections. I was very scared that the patent

would disappear in their cupboards forever.

Then Chiron took over Pathogenesis and we heard nothing about the egg

yolk gargle. And even more confusing all info about is has

disappeared from the web (at least I couldn't find anything). I don't

believe in those horror stories about companies, that withhold cheap

but effective drugs to sell their expensive drugs. But the egg yolk

story is one where you can become a believer :-((

I hope your doc is right and there will finally be a producer for

that stuff. In the past I didn't care, because Fiona was too young to

gargle. But now she is five and still without Pseudomonas (touch

wood). Thanks for reminding me about this.

Peace

Torsten

> Torsten,

> Our doctor here said he is having a hard time getting someone here

in the USA

> to produce it. I quess they had a company then they company was

sold and the

> new owners said they had to many other things go right now to be

able to

> start something new. So right now they have found a new company

that will

> help them to produce this drug but probably won't be available

until sometime

> next year. Thanks for the information! I hadn't heard anything

about this and

> was wondering what there fed back was on this. Deb A

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Hi Deb,

that makes sense. Some years ago Pathogenesis, the maker of TOBI

acquired a license to produce the gargle. I remember that I was

totally confused why a company, that makes money from a drug that

works against PA (TOBI) was interested in a product, that would

prevent pseudomonas infections. I was very scared that the patent

would disappear in their cupboards forever.

Then Chiron took over Pathogenesis and we heard nothing about the egg

yolk gargle. And even more confusing all info about is has

disappeared from the web (at least I couldn't find anything). I don't

believe in those horror stories about companies, that withhold cheap

but effective drugs to sell their expensive drugs. But the egg yolk

story is one where you can become a believer :-((

I hope your doc is right and there will finally be a producer for

that stuff. In the past I didn't care, because Fiona was too young to

gargle. But now she is five and still without Pseudomonas (touch

wood). Thanks for reminding me about this.

Peace

Torsten

> Torsten,

> Our doctor here said he is having a hard time getting someone here

in the USA

> to produce it. I quess they had a company then they company was

sold and the

> new owners said they had to many other things go right now to be

able to

> start something new. So right now they have found a new company

that will

> help them to produce this drug but probably won't be available

until sometime

> next year. Thanks for the information! I hadn't heard anything

about this and

> was wondering what there fed back was on this. Deb A

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Hi Deb,

that makes sense. Some years ago Pathogenesis, the maker of TOBI

acquired a license to produce the gargle. I remember that I was

totally confused why a company, that makes money from a drug that

works against PA (TOBI) was interested in a product, that would

prevent pseudomonas infections. I was very scared that the patent

would disappear in their cupboards forever.

Then Chiron took over Pathogenesis and we heard nothing about the egg

yolk gargle. And even more confusing all info about is has

disappeared from the web (at least I couldn't find anything). I don't

believe in those horror stories about companies, that withhold cheap

but effective drugs to sell their expensive drugs. But the egg yolk

story is one where you can become a believer :-((

I hope your doc is right and there will finally be a producer for

that stuff. In the past I didn't care, because Fiona was too young to

gargle. But now she is five and still without Pseudomonas (touch

wood). Thanks for reminding me about this.

Peace

Torsten

> Torsten,

> Our doctor here said he is having a hard time getting someone here

in the USA

> to produce it. I quess they had a company then they company was

sold and the

> new owners said they had to many other things go right now to be

able to

> start something new. So right now they have found a new company

that will

> help them to produce this drug but probably won't be available

until sometime

> next year. Thanks for the information! I hadn't heard anything

about this and

> was wondering what there fed back was on this. Deb A

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I too , believe what you said about holding those things back. I also

feel that once their patent rights are thru & they have paid for all the

sadden expenses of clinical trials, etc -they should then lower the

prices. it isn't fair to have patients HAVE TO PAY ALL THEIR LIVES THE

ADDED COST . I get really upset to see patients overcharged. Thanks

for your help here & all the great info. I do hope your dear Fiona &

Silke are doing well.

LOVE & HUGS, grandmoMBEV

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Hi Deb,

that makes sense. Some years ago Pathogenesis, the maker of TOBI

acquired a license to produce the gargle. I remember that I was

totally confused why a company, that makes money from a drug that

works against PA (TOBI) was interested in a product, that would

prevent pseudomonas infections. I was very scared that the patent

would disappear in their cupboards forever.

Then Chiron took over Pathogenesis and we heard nothing about the egg

yolk gargle. And even more confusing all info about is has

disappeared from the web (at least I couldn't find anything). I don't

believe in those horror stories about companies, that withhold cheap

but effective drugs to sell their expensive drugs. But the egg yolk

story is one where you can become a believer :-((

I hope your doc is right and there will finally be a producer for

that stuff. In the past I didn't care, because Fiona was too young to

gargle. But now she is five and still without Pseudomonas (touch

wood). Thanks for reminding me about this.

Peace

Torsten

> Torsten,

> Our doctor here said he is having a hard time getting someone here

in the USA

> to produce it. I quess they had a company then they company was

sold and the

> new owners said they had to many other things go right now to be

able to

> start something new. So right now they have found a new company

that will

> help them to produce this drug but probably won't be available

until sometime

> next year. Thanks for the information! I hadn't heard anything

about this and

> was wondering what there fed back was on this. Deb A

PLEASE do not post religious emails to the list.

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IN NO WAY

be construed as medical advice.

PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

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I too , believe what you said about holding those things back. I also

feel that once their patent rights are thru & they have paid for all the

sadden expenses of clinical trials, etc -they should then lower the

prices. it isn't fair to have patients HAVE TO PAY ALL THEIR LIVES THE

ADDED COST . I get really upset to see patients overcharged. Thanks

for your help here & all the great info. I do hope your dear Fiona &

Silke are doing well.

LOVE & HUGS, grandmoMBEV

Re: New Sweden reseach

Hi Deb,

that makes sense. Some years ago Pathogenesis, the maker of TOBI

acquired a license to produce the gargle. I remember that I was

totally confused why a company, that makes money from a drug that

works against PA (TOBI) was interested in a product, that would

prevent pseudomonas infections. I was very scared that the patent

would disappear in their cupboards forever.

Then Chiron took over Pathogenesis and we heard nothing about the egg

yolk gargle. And even more confusing all info about is has

disappeared from the web (at least I couldn't find anything). I don't

believe in those horror stories about companies, that withhold cheap

but effective drugs to sell their expensive drugs. But the egg yolk

story is one where you can become a believer :-((

I hope your doc is right and there will finally be a producer for

that stuff. In the past I didn't care, because Fiona was too young to

gargle. But now she is five and still without Pseudomonas (touch

wood). Thanks for reminding me about this.

Peace

Torsten

> Torsten,

> Our doctor here said he is having a hard time getting someone here

in the USA

> to produce it. I quess they had a company then they company was

sold and the

> new owners said they had to many other things go right now to be

able to

> start something new. So right now they have found a new company

that will

> help them to produce this drug but probably won't be available

until sometime

> next year. Thanks for the information! I hadn't heard anything

about this and

> was wondering what there fed back was on this. Deb A

PLEASE do not post religious emails to the list.

-------------------------------------------

The opinions and information exchanged on this list should

IN NO WAY

be construed as medical advice.

PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR

TREATMENTS.

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