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Yes, just recently actually I started taking about 2 grams of Ester c along

with GSE. It went well for about three days and then I had a major flare

and breakout that lasted about five days--during this breakout, I stopped

taking the ester c and GSE. My face finally cleared up for about a week so

I thought maybe it was just coincidence, so I started the ester c again,

this time without the GSE to see what the effect was on its own. Sure

enough after three days of the ester c, another major breakout and flare

that is still present today but is clearing--

I guess my skin just cannot handle the ester c which is dissapointing

because it seemed to help before the breakouts started. Maybe I was just

taking too much--I think I will try it again but at only 500mgs daily and

see what happens.

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>Subject: reactions?

>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:55:20 -0000

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>Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with

>Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I

>may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if

>anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items.

>

>Thanks for your help.

>

>Cheryl

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Yes, just recently actually I started taking about 2 grams of Ester c along

with GSE. It went well for about three days and then I had a major flare

and breakout that lasted about five days--during this breakout, I stopped

taking the ester c and GSE. My face finally cleared up for about a week so

I thought maybe it was just coincidence, so I started the ester c again,

this time without the GSE to see what the effect was on its own. Sure

enough after three days of the ester c, another major breakout and flare

that is still present today but is clearing--

I guess my skin just cannot handle the ester c which is dissapointing

because it seemed to help before the breakouts started. Maybe I was just

taking too much--I think I will try it again but at only 500mgs daily and

see what happens.

>

>To: rosacea-support

>Subject: reactions?

>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:55:20 -0000

>

>Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with

>Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I

>may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if

>anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items.

>

>Thanks for your help.

>

>Cheryl

>

>

>

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Yes, just recently actually I started taking about 2 grams of Ester c along

with GSE. It went well for about three days and then I had a major flare

and breakout that lasted about five days--during this breakout, I stopped

taking the ester c and GSE. My face finally cleared up for about a week so

I thought maybe it was just coincidence, so I started the ester c again,

this time without the GSE to see what the effect was on its own. Sure

enough after three days of the ester c, another major breakout and flare

that is still present today but is clearing--

I guess my skin just cannot handle the ester c which is dissapointing

because it seemed to help before the breakouts started. Maybe I was just

taking too much--I think I will try it again but at only 500mgs daily and

see what happens.

>

>To: rosacea-support

>Subject: reactions?

>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:55:20 -0000

>

>Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with

>Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I

>may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if

>anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items.

>

>Thanks for your help.

>

>Cheryl

>

>

>

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Been taking 1000mg of EsterC with GSE per day for about a week now.

No reactions for me, what kind of reaction are you having?

>Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with

>Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I

>may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if

>anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items.

>

>Thanks for your help.

>

>Cheryl

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Been taking 1000mg of EsterC with GSE per day for about a week now.

No reactions for me, what kind of reaction are you having?

>Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with

>Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I

>may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if

>anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items.

>

>Thanks for your help.

>

>Cheryl

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Sorry but this is technically speaking completely irrelevant. By the time

the Vit C is synthesized and purified it contains nothing of the corn

components that people react to.

However if this concept works for you go for it! I would never try to stop

someone using or not using a rosacea treatment on the basis of pure

technical accuracy, the condition is far too variable and subjective.

Barry

Re: reactions?

Most, if not all, of the vitamin C in the US is

synthesized from corn.

People who react to vitamin C may be displaying an

allergy to corn, since this is a super-concentrated

form.

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Sorry but this is technically speaking completely irrelevant. By the time

the Vit C is synthesized and purified it contains nothing of the corn

components that people react to.

However if this concept works for you go for it! I would never try to stop

someone using or not using a rosacea treatment on the basis of pure

technical accuracy, the condition is far too variable and subjective.

Barry

Re: reactions?

Most, if not all, of the vitamin C in the US is

synthesized from corn.

People who react to vitamin C may be displaying an

allergy to corn, since this is a super-concentrated

form.

Suzi

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Sorry but this is technically speaking completely irrelevant. By the time

the Vit C is synthesized and purified it contains nothing of the corn

components that people react to.

However if this concept works for you go for it! I would never try to stop

someone using or not using a rosacea treatment on the basis of pure

technical accuracy, the condition is far too variable and subjective.

Barry

Re: reactions?

Most, if not all, of the vitamin C in the US is

synthesized from corn.

People who react to vitamin C may be displaying an

allergy to corn, since this is a super-concentrated

form.

Suzi

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Hi everyone,

I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within which

one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more? Couple

of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my face,

though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did not have

any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if this could

have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a week ago?

I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's completely

unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind of its

own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that will never

go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get considering I do

have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as moisturizer

(while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how quickly

do you start having problems?

Alena

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Hi Alena, In my experience with Sensitive Skin Cleansing bar from Neutragena,

it took about 3 days to get so rashy that I almost took my shirt off at work.

My neck got beet red. I had a mild reqction the second day, but decided to try

it one more time. Big mistake.

I would just guess that any burning sensation that you're having on your face,

isn't a good sign regarding anything new that you have just started using. So

many triggers, so little time.

Good luck.

Dennis

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Hi everyone,

I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within which

one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more? Couple

of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my face,

though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did not have

any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if this could

have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a week ago?

I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's completely

unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind of its

own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that will never

go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get considering I do

have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as moisturizer

(while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how quickly

do you start having problems?

Alena

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Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you

put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a

difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil

to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!),

and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you

figure out what's going on.

What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion.

Good luck!

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Hi everyone,

> I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within

which

> one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more?

Couple

> of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my

face,

> though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did

not have

> any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if

this could

> have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a

week ago?

> I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's

completely

> unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind

of its

> own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that

will never

> go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get

considering I do

> have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as

moisturizer

> (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how

quickly

> do you start having problems?

>

> Alena

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Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you

put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a

difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil

to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!),

and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you

figure out what's going on.

What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion.

Good luck!

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Hi everyone,

> I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within

which

> one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more?

Couple

> of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my

face,

> though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did

not have

> any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if

this could

> have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a

week ago?

> I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's

completely

> unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind

of its

> own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that

will never

> go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get

considering I do

> have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as

moisturizer

> (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how

quickly

> do you start having problems?

>

> Alena

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Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you

put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a

difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil

to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!),

and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you

figure out what's going on.

What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion.

Good luck!

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

> Hi everyone,

> I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within

which

> one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more?

Couple

> of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my

face,

> though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did

not have

> any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if

this could

> have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a

week ago?

> I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's

completely

> unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind

of its

> own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that

will never

> go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get

considering I do

> have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as

moisturizer

> (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how

quickly

> do you start having problems?

>

> Alena

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> Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you

> put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a

> difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil

> to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!),

> and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you

> figure out what's going on.

>

> What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Marjorie

Hi,

Thanks for the recommendation of Aquanil, I already have it on my list of

potential resources (together with Aveeno Baby Wash). Well, here is my

update: yesterday, I had to wash my face around 5 pm because the layer of

Ombrelle, combined with the burning/tingling sensation was way too much to

bear. My face felt greasy, more red than usual and my mood was in polar

range. I can't remember if I applied any Metrogel last night, but I skipped

it this morning. I had a really good day, the burning/tingling was still

present, but less annoying than yesterday and I caught myself at episodes of

sensation-free face. Surprisingly, I did not have my usual flushing episode

at work, my face felt quite hot at one time tonight but I was not flushed. I

still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

carbomer 940

methylparaben

sodium lauryl sulfate

mineral oil

cetyl alcohol

stearyl alcohol

sorbitan stearate

propylparaben

fragrance

trolamine

diazolidinyl urea

purified water

I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody posted a

link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it is

interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is quite

high on the list in other products.

One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to

something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive, I never

had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions. Well, I am determined to

improve my nutrition (I do have room for improvement there), use as little

as possible on face for now, and will report back. Thanks everyone for your

posts - I have learned a lot during the short time I have been here, and I

am drinking over 2 litres of water a day and I have to force myself only

very little!

Wishing you all a pleasant and restful weekend,

Alena

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> Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you

> put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a

> difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil

> to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!),

> and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you

> figure out what's going on.

>

> What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Marjorie

Hi,

Thanks for the recommendation of Aquanil, I already have it on my list of

potential resources (together with Aveeno Baby Wash). Well, here is my

update: yesterday, I had to wash my face around 5 pm because the layer of

Ombrelle, combined with the burning/tingling sensation was way too much to

bear. My face felt greasy, more red than usual and my mood was in polar

range. I can't remember if I applied any Metrogel last night, but I skipped

it this morning. I had a really good day, the burning/tingling was still

present, but less annoying than yesterday and I caught myself at episodes of

sensation-free face. Surprisingly, I did not have my usual flushing episode

at work, my face felt quite hot at one time tonight but I was not flushed. I

still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

carbomer 940

methylparaben

sodium lauryl sulfate

mineral oil

cetyl alcohol

stearyl alcohol

sorbitan stearate

propylparaben

fragrance

trolamine

diazolidinyl urea

purified water

I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody posted a

link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it is

interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is quite

high on the list in other products.

One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to

something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive, I never

had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions. Well, I am determined to

improve my nutrition (I do have room for improvement there), use as little

as possible on face for now, and will report back. Thanks everyone for your

posts - I have learned a lot during the short time I have been here, and I

am drinking over 2 litres of water a day and I have to force myself only

very little!

Wishing you all a pleasant and restful weekend,

Alena

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> Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you

> put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a

> difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil

> to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!),

> and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you

> figure out what's going on.

>

> What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion.

>

> Good luck!

>

> Marjorie

Hi,

Thanks for the recommendation of Aquanil, I already have it on my list of

potential resources (together with Aveeno Baby Wash). Well, here is my

update: yesterday, I had to wash my face around 5 pm because the layer of

Ombrelle, combined with the burning/tingling sensation was way too much to

bear. My face felt greasy, more red than usual and my mood was in polar

range. I can't remember if I applied any Metrogel last night, but I skipped

it this morning. I had a really good day, the burning/tingling was still

present, but less annoying than yesterday and I caught myself at episodes of

sensation-free face. Surprisingly, I did not have my usual flushing episode

at work, my face felt quite hot at one time tonight but I was not flushed. I

still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

carbomer 940

methylparaben

sodium lauryl sulfate

mineral oil

cetyl alcohol

stearyl alcohol

sorbitan stearate

propylparaben

fragrance

trolamine

diazolidinyl urea

purified water

I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody posted a

link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it is

interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is quite

high on the list in other products.

One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to

something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive, I never

had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions. Well, I am determined to

improve my nutrition (I do have room for improvement there), use as little

as possible on face for now, and will report back. Thanks everyone for your

posts - I have learned a lot during the short time I have been here, and I

am drinking over 2 litres of water a day and I have to force myself only

very little!

Wishing you all a pleasant and restful weekend,

Alena

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> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>

> carbomer 940

> methylparaben

> sodium lauryl sulfate

> mineral oil

> cetyl alcohol

> stearyl alcohol

> sorbitan stearate

> propylparaben

> fragrance

> trolamine

> diazolidinyl urea

> purified water

>

> I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody

posted a

> link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it

is

> interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is

quite

> high on the list in other products.

That is interesting about water being listed last, and from other

ingredients in the list, I suspect it's just not listed in the

typical descending order of amount/concentration.

For example, the parabens you mentioned are the cheapest and safest

perservatives -- when present, the product will last on the shelf for

years instead of weeks. Very small amounts are needed to preserve, so

if listed in typical descending order those would likely be last.

Parabens are a known irritant, not a common one, but something to

think about if no other ingredient makes sense in a product that

produces a reaction.

Fragrance is a common irritant -- again, not everyone will react, but

it's a usual suspect, more common than the parabens, in products that

do cause irritation.

Matija may know more about this, but I was under the impression that

sodium lauryl was far more irritating than sodium lareuth, especially

to inflammed skin.

> One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to

> something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive,

> I never had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions.

Skin that is normally able to protect itself against irritants with a

healthy protective barrier can become reactive when inflammed and

with an impaired barrier. And the more inflammed, the more likely an

irritant will further the inflammation; it's harder to irritate

normal skin than inflammed skin.

Burning may be a normal sensation in some products, especially if

they contain (non-fatty) alcohols or acids (for other than

neutralizing pH), among other ingredients. But it can also indicate

irritation, especially if it lasts for more than a few minutes.

Marjorie

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on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote:

Hi alena,

> Hi,

> still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

> if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

> think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

> will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

> past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

> to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to

irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red

after one or two days of use.

Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with

water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face

burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try

are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I

find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face

responds with redness.

> Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

> recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

> indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

> gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>

> carbomer 940

> methylparaben

> sodium lauryl sulfate

> mineral oil

> cetyl alcohol

> stearyl alcohol

> sorbitan stearate

> propylparaben

> fragrance

> trolamine

> diazolidinyl urea

> purified water

I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an

irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard

of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps

and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre,

isn't it?

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on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote:

Hi alena,

> Hi,

> still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

> if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

> think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

> will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

> past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

> to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to

irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red

after one or two days of use.

Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with

water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face

burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try

are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I

find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face

responds with redness.

> Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

> recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

> indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

> gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>

> carbomer 940

> methylparaben

> sodium lauryl sulfate

> mineral oil

> cetyl alcohol

> stearyl alcohol

> sorbitan stearate

> propylparaben

> fragrance

> trolamine

> diazolidinyl urea

> purified water

I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an

irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard

of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps

and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre,

isn't it?

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on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote:

Hi alena,

> Hi,

> still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

> if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

> think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

> will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

> past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

> to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to

irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red

after one or two days of use.

Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with

water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face

burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try

are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I

find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face

responds with redness.

> Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

> recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

> indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

> gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>

> carbomer 940

> methylparaben

> sodium lauryl sulfate

> mineral oil

> cetyl alcohol

> stearyl alcohol

> sorbitan stearate

> propylparaben

> fragrance

> trolamine

> diazolidinyl urea

> purified water

I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an

irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard

of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps

and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre,

isn't it?

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Hi ,

Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a

non-irritant. At least they got that one right !

You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness

got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick

subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a glop

of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I avoid

it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to pay more

attention when applying it next time.

So many triggers, so little time !

Good luck and thanks for your post.

Dennis

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on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote:

Hi alena,

> Hi,

> still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

> if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

> think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

> will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

> past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

> to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to

irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red

after one or two days of use.

Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with

water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face

burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try

are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I

find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face

responds with redness.

> Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

> recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

> indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

> gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>

> carbomer 940

> methylparaben

> sodium lauryl sulfate

> mineral oil

> cetyl alcohol

> stearyl alcohol

> sorbitan stearate

> propylparaben

> fragrance

> trolamine

> diazolidinyl urea

> purified water

I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an

irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard

of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps

and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre,

isn't it?

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Hi ,

Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a

non-irritant. At least they got that one right !

You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness

got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick

subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a glop

of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I avoid

it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to pay more

attention when applying it next time.

So many triggers, so little time !

Good luck and thanks for your post.

Dennis

Re: Re: Reactions?

on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote:

Hi alena,

> Hi,

> still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure

> if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I

> think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary,

> will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this

> past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies

> to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month.

You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to

irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red

after one or two days of use.

Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with

water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face

burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try

are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I

find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face

responds with redness.

> Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was

> recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not

> indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite

> gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life.

> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>

> carbomer 940

> methylparaben

> sodium lauryl sulfate

> mineral oil

> cetyl alcohol

> stearyl alcohol

> sorbitan stearate

> propylparaben

> fragrance

> trolamine

> diazolidinyl urea

> purified water

I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an

irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard

of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps

and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre,

isn't it?

--

Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group

(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a

meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when

replying to a digest !

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on 4/14/02 1:11 PM, dennis hickey at dhickey389@... wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a

> non-irritant. At least they got that one right !

>

> You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness

> got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick

> subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a

> glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I

> avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to

> pay more attention when applying it next time.

>

> So many triggers, so little time !

>

> Good luck and thanks for your post.

>

> Dennis

>

Hi Dennis,

I¹m so glad my little comment there may have helped! After reading your

message, it occurs to me anew how many times I¹ve gotten an excellent

seemingly ³small² tip from someone here that has enabled me to further fine

tune my routine for the better ­ or inspired me to look at something a new

way, seemingly unrelated to the actual comment at hand.

Also, I got to thinking about the heavy layer thing... you¹ll find out if a

thinner layer of the gel helps of course, but I do remember back when I

used metrocream the doctor was shocked at how long a tube lasted me. A very

light layer was effective and my skin felt better for it.

Then, just as an aside about that ingredient list....at first I thought the

list was reversed with water meant to be at the top. But on second look

that does not seem right to me....I would be surprised it diazolidinyl urea

would the second ingredient. This morning I think they are probably just

out of order. It¹s not an earth-shattering issue but as I¹ve been perusing

ingredients lately, it looks quite strange. Of course, I suppose I could go

out and look for a Nutrderm bottle but as you say ³so many triggers, so

little time!!²

good luck!

>>

>>> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>>>

>>> carbomer 940

>>> methylparaben

>>> sodium lauryl sulfate

>>> mineral oil

>>> cetyl alcohol

>>> stearyl alcohol

>>> sorbitan stearate

>>> propylparaben

>>> fragrance

>>> trolamine

>>> diazolidinyl urea

>>> purified water

>>

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on 4/14/02 1:11 PM, dennis hickey at dhickey389@... wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a

> non-irritant. At least they got that one right !

>

> You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness

> got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick

> subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a

> glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I

> avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to

> pay more attention when applying it next time.

>

> So many triggers, so little time !

>

> Good luck and thanks for your post.

>

> Dennis

>

Hi Dennis,

I¹m so glad my little comment there may have helped! After reading your

message, it occurs to me anew how many times I¹ve gotten an excellent

seemingly ³small² tip from someone here that has enabled me to further fine

tune my routine for the better ­ or inspired me to look at something a new

way, seemingly unrelated to the actual comment at hand.

Also, I got to thinking about the heavy layer thing... you¹ll find out if a

thinner layer of the gel helps of course, but I do remember back when I

used metrocream the doctor was shocked at how long a tube lasted me. A very

light layer was effective and my skin felt better for it.

Then, just as an aside about that ingredient list....at first I thought the

list was reversed with water meant to be at the top. But on second look

that does not seem right to me....I would be surprised it diazolidinyl urea

would the second ingredient. This morning I think they are probably just

out of order. It¹s not an earth-shattering issue but as I¹ve been perusing

ingredients lately, it looks quite strange. Of course, I suppose I could go

out and look for a Nutrderm bottle but as you say ³so many triggers, so

little time!!²

good luck!

>>

>>> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>>>

>>> carbomer 940

>>> methylparaben

>>> sodium lauryl sulfate

>>> mineral oil

>>> cetyl alcohol

>>> stearyl alcohol

>>> sorbitan stearate

>>> propylparaben

>>> fragrance

>>> trolamine

>>> diazolidinyl urea

>>> purified water

>>

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on 4/14/02 1:11 PM, dennis hickey at dhickey389@... wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a

> non-irritant. At least they got that one right !

>

> You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness

> got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick

> subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a

> glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I

> avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to

> pay more attention when applying it next time.

>

> So many triggers, so little time !

>

> Good luck and thanks for your post.

>

> Dennis

>

Hi Dennis,

I¹m so glad my little comment there may have helped! After reading your

message, it occurs to me anew how many times I¹ve gotten an excellent

seemingly ³small² tip from someone here that has enabled me to further fine

tune my routine for the better ­ or inspired me to look at something a new

way, seemingly unrelated to the actual comment at hand.

Also, I got to thinking about the heavy layer thing... you¹ll find out if a

thinner layer of the gel helps of course, but I do remember back when I

used metrocream the doctor was shocked at how long a tube lasted me. A very

light layer was effective and my skin felt better for it.

Then, just as an aside about that ingredient list....at first I thought the

list was reversed with water meant to be at the top. But on second look

that does not seem right to me....I would be surprised it diazolidinyl urea

would the second ingredient. This morning I think they are probably just

out of order. It¹s not an earth-shattering issue but as I¹ve been perusing

ingredients lately, it looks quite strange. Of course, I suppose I could go

out and look for a Nutrderm bottle but as you say ³so many triggers, so

little time!!²

good luck!

>>

>>> The ingredients in Nutraderm are:

>>>

>>> carbomer 940

>>> methylparaben

>>> sodium lauryl sulfate

>>> mineral oil

>>> cetyl alcohol

>>> stearyl alcohol

>>> sorbitan stearate

>>> propylparaben

>>> fragrance

>>> trolamine

>>> diazolidinyl urea

>>> purified water

>>

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