Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Yes, just recently actually I started taking about 2 grams of Ester c along with GSE. It went well for about three days and then I had a major flare and breakout that lasted about five days--during this breakout, I stopped taking the ester c and GSE. My face finally cleared up for about a week so I thought maybe it was just coincidence, so I started the ester c again, this time without the GSE to see what the effect was on its own. Sure enough after three days of the ester c, another major breakout and flare that is still present today but is clearing-- I guess my skin just cannot handle the ester c which is dissapointing because it seemed to help before the breakouts started. Maybe I was just taking too much--I think I will try it again but at only 500mgs daily and see what happens. > >To: rosacea-support >Subject: reactions? >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:55:20 -0000 > >Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with >Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I >may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if >anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items. > >Thanks for your help. > >Cheryl > > > >-- >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the >subject when replying to a digest ! > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > >To leave the list send an email to >rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Yes, just recently actually I started taking about 2 grams of Ester c along with GSE. It went well for about three days and then I had a major flare and breakout that lasted about five days--during this breakout, I stopped taking the ester c and GSE. My face finally cleared up for about a week so I thought maybe it was just coincidence, so I started the ester c again, this time without the GSE to see what the effect was on its own. Sure enough after three days of the ester c, another major breakout and flare that is still present today but is clearing-- I guess my skin just cannot handle the ester c which is dissapointing because it seemed to help before the breakouts started. Maybe I was just taking too much--I think I will try it again but at only 500mgs daily and see what happens. > >To: rosacea-support >Subject: reactions? >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:55:20 -0000 > >Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with >Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I >may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if >anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items. > >Thanks for your help. > >Cheryl > > > >-- >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the >subject when replying to a digest ! > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > >To leave the list send an email to >rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Yes, just recently actually I started taking about 2 grams of Ester c along with GSE. It went well for about three days and then I had a major flare and breakout that lasted about five days--during this breakout, I stopped taking the ester c and GSE. My face finally cleared up for about a week so I thought maybe it was just coincidence, so I started the ester c again, this time without the GSE to see what the effect was on its own. Sure enough after three days of the ester c, another major breakout and flare that is still present today but is clearing-- I guess my skin just cannot handle the ester c which is dissapointing because it seemed to help before the breakouts started. Maybe I was just taking too much--I think I will try it again but at only 500mgs daily and see what happens. > >To: rosacea-support >Subject: reactions? >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:55:20 -0000 > >Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with >Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I >may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if >anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items. > >Thanks for your help. > >Cheryl > > > >-- >Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group >(http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't >give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the >subject when replying to a digest ! > >See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > >To leave the list send an email to >rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Been taking 1000mg of EsterC with GSE per day for about a week now. No reactions for me, what kind of reaction are you having? >Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with >Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I >may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if >anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items. > >Thanks for your help. > >Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 Been taking 1000mg of EsterC with GSE per day for about a week now. No reactions for me, what kind of reaction are you having? >Has anyone noticed reactions of any kind from taking the EsterC with >Bioflavinoids, the Niacinamide or the grapeseed extract? I think I >may be, but it might be coincedental and I am interested to know if >anyone else has had a reaction to any of these items. > >Thanks for your help. > >Cheryl _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2002 Report Share Posted March 3, 2002 Sorry but this is technically speaking completely irrelevant. By the time the Vit C is synthesized and purified it contains nothing of the corn components that people react to. However if this concept works for you go for it! I would never try to stop someone using or not using a rosacea treatment on the basis of pure technical accuracy, the condition is far too variable and subjective. Barry Re: reactions? Most, if not all, of the vitamin C in the US is synthesized from corn. People who react to vitamin C may be displaying an allergy to corn, since this is a super-concentrated form. Suzi __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2002 Report Share Posted March 3, 2002 Sorry but this is technically speaking completely irrelevant. By the time the Vit C is synthesized and purified it contains nothing of the corn components that people react to. However if this concept works for you go for it! I would never try to stop someone using or not using a rosacea treatment on the basis of pure technical accuracy, the condition is far too variable and subjective. Barry Re: reactions? Most, if not all, of the vitamin C in the US is synthesized from corn. People who react to vitamin C may be displaying an allergy to corn, since this is a super-concentrated form. Suzi __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2002 Report Share Posted March 3, 2002 Sorry but this is technically speaking completely irrelevant. By the time the Vit C is synthesized and purified it contains nothing of the corn components that people react to. However if this concept works for you go for it! I would never try to stop someone using or not using a rosacea treatment on the basis of pure technical accuracy, the condition is far too variable and subjective. Barry Re: reactions? Most, if not all, of the vitamin C in the US is synthesized from corn. People who react to vitamin C may be displaying an allergy to corn, since this is a super-concentrated form. Suzi __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Hi everyone, I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within which one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more? Couple of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my face, though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did not have any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if this could have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a week ago? I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's completely unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind of its own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that will never go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get considering I do have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as moisturizer (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how quickly do you start having problems? Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Hi Alena, In my experience with Sensitive Skin Cleansing bar from Neutragena, it took about 3 days to get so rashy that I almost took my shirt off at work. My neck got beet red. I had a mild reqction the second day, but decided to try it one more time. Big mistake. I would just guess that any burning sensation that you're having on your face, isn't a good sign regarding anything new that you have just started using. So many triggers, so little time. Good luck. Dennis Reactions? Hi everyone, I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within which one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more? Couple of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my face, though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did not have any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if this could have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a week ago? I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's completely unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind of its own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that will never go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get considering I do have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as moisturizer (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how quickly do you start having problems? Alena -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!), and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you figure out what's going on. What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion. Good luck! Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > Hi everyone, > I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within which > one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more? Couple > of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my face, > though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did not have > any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if this could > have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a week ago? > I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's completely > unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind of its > own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that will never > go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get considering I do > have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as moisturizer > (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how quickly > do you start having problems? > > Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!), and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you figure out what's going on. What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion. Good luck! Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > Hi everyone, > I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within which > one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more? Couple > of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my face, > though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did not have > any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if this could > have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a week ago? > I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's completely > unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind of its > own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that will never > go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get considering I do > have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as moisturizer > (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how quickly > do you start having problems? > > Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!), and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you figure out what's going on. What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion. Good luck! Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > Hi everyone, > I have this question: - what is a reasonable amount of time within which > one can expect a reaction? Is it the next day, three days, or more? Couple > of days ago I realized that light burning sensation returned to my face, > though it is not critical, and it seems to come and go. But I did not have > any of the burning or tingling for a while, so I was wondering if this could > have been caused by the Cetaphil bar that I started to use over a week ago? > I am just trying to determine what is causing it, or if it's completely > unrelated to any product, and it is just my rosacea having a mind of its > own. My face is very calm, there is some 'pinkishness' but that will never > go away and I believe it is almost as good as it can get considering I do > have rosacea. I only use Cetaphil to cleanse, and Nutraderm as moisturizer > (while still on Tetracycline). So, when you react to something, how quickly > do you start having problems? > > Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you > put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a > difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil > to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!), > and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you > figure out what's going on. > > What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion. > > Good luck! > > Marjorie Hi, Thanks for the recommendation of Aquanil, I already have it on my list of potential resources (together with Aveeno Baby Wash). Well, here is my update: yesterday, I had to wash my face around 5 pm because the layer of Ombrelle, combined with the burning/tingling sensation was way too much to bear. My face felt greasy, more red than usual and my mood was in polar range. I can't remember if I applied any Metrogel last night, but I skipped it this morning. I had a really good day, the burning/tingling was still present, but less annoying than yesterday and I caught myself at episodes of sensation-free face. Surprisingly, I did not have my usual flushing episode at work, my face felt quite hot at one time tonight but I was not flushed. I still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. The ingredients in Nutraderm are: carbomer 940 methylparaben sodium lauryl sulfate mineral oil cetyl alcohol stearyl alcohol sorbitan stearate propylparaben fragrance trolamine diazolidinyl urea purified water I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody posted a link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it is interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is quite high on the list in other products. One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive, I never had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions. Well, I am determined to improve my nutrition (I do have room for improvement there), use as little as possible on face for now, and will report back. Thanks everyone for your posts - I have learned a lot during the short time I have been here, and I am drinking over 2 litres of water a day and I have to force myself only very little! Wishing you all a pleasant and restful weekend, Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you > put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a > difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil > to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!), > and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you > figure out what's going on. > > What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion. > > Good luck! > > Marjorie Hi, Thanks for the recommendation of Aquanil, I already have it on my list of potential resources (together with Aveeno Baby Wash). Well, here is my update: yesterday, I had to wash my face around 5 pm because the layer of Ombrelle, combined with the burning/tingling sensation was way too much to bear. My face felt greasy, more red than usual and my mood was in polar range. I can't remember if I applied any Metrogel last night, but I skipped it this morning. I had a really good day, the burning/tingling was still present, but less annoying than yesterday and I caught myself at episodes of sensation-free face. Surprisingly, I did not have my usual flushing episode at work, my face felt quite hot at one time tonight but I was not flushed. I still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. The ingredients in Nutraderm are: carbomer 940 methylparaben sodium lauryl sulfate mineral oil cetyl alcohol stearyl alcohol sorbitan stearate propylparaben fragrance trolamine diazolidinyl urea purified water I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody posted a link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it is interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is quite high on the list in other products. One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive, I never had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions. Well, I am determined to improve my nutrition (I do have room for improvement there), use as little as possible on face for now, and will report back. Thanks everyone for your posts - I have learned a lot during the short time I have been here, and I am drinking over 2 litres of water a day and I have to force myself only very little! Wishing you all a pleasant and restful weekend, Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 > Alena, do you have a clearly non-reactive cleanser to use while you > put aside the Cetaphil for a half-week or so, to see if it makes a > difference in the burning? If not, my pharmacist recommended Aquanil > to me instead of Cetaphil -- very cheap ($4 for a 16 ounce bottle!), > and while not the most delightful product to use it may help you > figure out what's going on. > > What's in Nutraderm? I'm only familiar with that as a hand lotion. > > Good luck! > > Marjorie Hi, Thanks for the recommendation of Aquanil, I already have it on my list of potential resources (together with Aveeno Baby Wash). Well, here is my update: yesterday, I had to wash my face around 5 pm because the layer of Ombrelle, combined with the burning/tingling sensation was way too much to bear. My face felt greasy, more red than usual and my mood was in polar range. I can't remember if I applied any Metrogel last night, but I skipped it this morning. I had a really good day, the burning/tingling was still present, but less annoying than yesterday and I caught myself at episodes of sensation-free face. Surprisingly, I did not have my usual flushing episode at work, my face felt quite hot at one time tonight but I was not flushed. I still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. The ingredients in Nutraderm are: carbomer 940 methylparaben sodium lauryl sulfate mineral oil cetyl alcohol stearyl alcohol sorbitan stearate propylparaben fragrance trolamine diazolidinyl urea purified water I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody posted a link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it is interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is quite high on the list in other products. One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive, I never had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions. Well, I am determined to improve my nutrition (I do have room for improvement there), use as little as possible on face for now, and will report back. Thanks everyone for your posts - I have learned a lot during the short time I have been here, and I am drinking over 2 litres of water a day and I have to force myself only very little! Wishing you all a pleasant and restful weekend, Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 > The ingredients in Nutraderm are: > > carbomer 940 > methylparaben > sodium lauryl sulfate > mineral oil > cetyl alcohol > stearyl alcohol > sorbitan stearate > propylparaben > fragrance > trolamine > diazolidinyl urea > purified water > > I am just realizing that there are two parabens - today, somebody posted a > link to a site that listed parabens as possible irritants. Also, it is > interested that water is the last listed ingredient, it usually is quite > high on the list in other products. That is interesting about water being listed last, and from other ingredients in the list, I suspect it's just not listed in the typical descending order of amount/concentration. For example, the parabens you mentioned are the cheapest and safest perservatives -- when present, the product will last on the shelf for years instead of weeks. Very small amounts are needed to preserve, so if listed in typical descending order those would likely be last. Parabens are a known irritant, not a common one, but something to think about if no other ingredient makes sense in a product that produces a reaction. Fragrance is a common irritant -- again, not everyone will react, but it's a usual suspect, more common than the parabens, in products that do cause irritation. Matija may know more about this, but I was under the impression that sodium lauryl was far more irritating than sodium lareuth, especially to inflammed skin. > One of the reasons why I am unsure whether I was in fact reacting to > something is that though I always considered my skin as sensitive, > I never had a problem with reactions to creams or lotions. Skin that is normally able to protect itself against irritants with a healthy protective barrier can become reactive when inflammed and with an impaired barrier. And the more inflammed, the more likely an irritant will further the inflammation; it's harder to irritate normal skin than inflammed skin. Burning may be a normal sensation in some products, especially if they contain (non-fatty) alcohols or acids (for other than neutralizing pH), among other ingredients. But it can also indicate irritation, especially if it lasts for more than a few minutes. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote: Hi alena, > Hi, > still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure > if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I > think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, > will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this > past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies > to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red after one or two days of use. Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face responds with redness. > Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was > recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not > indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite > gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. > The ingredients in Nutraderm are: > > carbomer 940 > methylparaben > sodium lauryl sulfate > mineral oil > cetyl alcohol > stearyl alcohol > sorbitan stearate > propylparaben > fragrance > trolamine > diazolidinyl urea > purified water I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote: Hi alena, > Hi, > still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure > if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I > think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, > will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this > past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies > to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red after one or two days of use. Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face responds with redness. > Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was > recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not > indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite > gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. > The ingredients in Nutraderm are: > > carbomer 940 > methylparaben > sodium lauryl sulfate > mineral oil > cetyl alcohol > stearyl alcohol > sorbitan stearate > propylparaben > fragrance > trolamine > diazolidinyl urea > purified water I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2002 Report Share Posted April 13, 2002 on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote: Hi alena, > Hi, > still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure > if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I > think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, > will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this > past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies > to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red after one or two days of use. Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face responds with redness. > Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was > recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not > indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite > gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. > The ingredients in Nutraderm are: > > carbomer 940 > methylparaben > sodium lauryl sulfate > mineral oil > cetyl alcohol > stearyl alcohol > sorbitan stearate > propylparaben > fragrance > trolamine > diazolidinyl urea > purified water I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Hi , Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a non-irritant. At least they got that one right ! You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to pay more attention when applying it next time. So many triggers, so little time ! Good luck and thanks for your post. Dennis Re: Re: Reactions? on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote: Hi alena, > Hi, > still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure > if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I > think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, > will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this > past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies > to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red after one or two days of use. Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face responds with redness. > Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was > recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not > indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite > gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. > The ingredients in Nutraderm are: > > carbomer 940 > methylparaben > sodium lauryl sulfate > mineral oil > cetyl alcohol > stearyl alcohol > sorbitan stearate > propylparaben > fragrance > trolamine > diazolidinyl urea > purified water I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre, isn't it? -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Hi , Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a non-irritant. At least they got that one right ! You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to pay more attention when applying it next time. So many triggers, so little time ! Good luck and thanks for your post. Dennis Re: Re: Reactions? on 4/12/02 8:08 PM, Alena Coufalova at alena@... wrote: Hi alena, > Hi, > still used Cetaphil, both in the morning and at night, because I am not sure > if it is really causing the problem. I just feel so much better today. I > think I will try living sans Metrogel for a few days and then, if necessary, > will go back to it to see if that could have been it. I am wondering if this > past week of burning/tingling was related to my menstruation [my apologies > to the male part of the list], I guess I will find out in a month. You may have already heard this from someone, but cetaphil does seem to irritate a lot of rosacea skins. It caused my face to burn and turn red after one or two days of use. Also, have you tried a thin layer of oil after cleansing or rinsing with water? That is my biggest help sometimes, most especially when my face burns. I use sweet almond oil that I buy in a gourmet grocery. Others to try are jojoba, olive or squalane - all ava at health food stores generally. I find a light coat works the best; if I get it on too heavily my face responds with redness. > Nutraderm is another moisturizing lotion by Galderma. Years ago, it was > recommended to me by my derm when I was first diagnosed. It does not > indicate on the bottle whether it is hand or face lotion, I find it quite > gentle and slather it on whenever some of those itchy bumps come to life. > The ingredients in Nutraderm are: > > carbomer 940 > methylparaben > sodium lauryl sulfate > mineral oil > cetyl alcohol > stearyl alcohol > sorbitan stearate > propylparaben > fragrance > trolamine > diazolidinyl urea > purified water I cannot believe these ingredients! almost evey one is widely considered an irritant! the only one I can't say that about is " carbomer 940 " . Never heard of it, don't know what it is. And yet you find it effective on itchy bumps and to be gentle. Sometimes this research on ingredients is just so bizarre, isn't it? -- Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 on 4/14/02 1:11 PM, dennis hickey at dhickey389@... wrote: > Hi , > > Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a > non-irritant. At least they got that one right ! > > You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness > got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick > subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a > glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I > avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to > pay more attention when applying it next time. > > So many triggers, so little time ! > > Good luck and thanks for your post. > > Dennis > Hi Dennis, I¹m so glad my little comment there may have helped! After reading your message, it occurs to me anew how many times I¹ve gotten an excellent seemingly ³small² tip from someone here that has enabled me to further fine tune my routine for the better  or inspired me to look at something a new way, seemingly unrelated to the actual comment at hand. Also, I got to thinking about the heavy layer thing... you¹ll find out if a thinner layer of the gel helps of course, but I do remember back when I used metrocream the doctor was shocked at how long a tube lasted me. A very light layer was effective and my skin felt better for it. Then, just as an aside about that ingredient list....at first I thought the list was reversed with water meant to be at the top. But on second look that does not seem right to me....I would be surprised it diazolidinyl urea would the second ingredient. This morning I think they are probably just out of order. It¹s not an earth-shattering issue but as I¹ve been perusing ingredients lately, it looks quite strange. Of course, I suppose I could go out and look for a Nutrderm bottle but as you say ³so many triggers, so little time!!² good luck! >> >>> The ingredients in Nutraderm are: >>> >>> carbomer 940 >>> methylparaben >>> sodium lauryl sulfate >>> mineral oil >>> cetyl alcohol >>> stearyl alcohol >>> sorbitan stearate >>> propylparaben >>> fragrance >>> trolamine >>> diazolidinyl urea >>> purified water >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 on 4/14/02 1:11 PM, dennis hickey at dhickey389@... wrote: > Hi , > > Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a > non-irritant. At least they got that one right ! > > You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness > got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick > subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a > glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I > avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to > pay more attention when applying it next time. > > So many triggers, so little time ! > > Good luck and thanks for your post. > > Dennis > Hi Dennis, I¹m so glad my little comment there may have helped! After reading your message, it occurs to me anew how many times I¹ve gotten an excellent seemingly ³small² tip from someone here that has enabled me to further fine tune my routine for the better  or inspired me to look at something a new way, seemingly unrelated to the actual comment at hand. Also, I got to thinking about the heavy layer thing... you¹ll find out if a thinner layer of the gel helps of course, but I do remember back when I used metrocream the doctor was shocked at how long a tube lasted me. A very light layer was effective and my skin felt better for it. Then, just as an aside about that ingredient list....at first I thought the list was reversed with water meant to be at the top. But on second look that does not seem right to me....I would be surprised it diazolidinyl urea would the second ingredient. This morning I think they are probably just out of order. It¹s not an earth-shattering issue but as I¹ve been perusing ingredients lately, it looks quite strange. Of course, I suppose I could go out and look for a Nutrderm bottle but as you say ³so many triggers, so little time!!² good luck! >> >>> The ingredients in Nutraderm are: >>> >>> carbomer 940 >>> methylparaben >>> sodium lauryl sulfate >>> mineral oil >>> cetyl alcohol >>> stearyl alcohol >>> sorbitan stearate >>> propylparaben >>> fragrance >>> trolamine >>> diazolidinyl urea >>> purified water >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 on 4/14/02 1:11 PM, dennis hickey at dhickey389@... wrote: > Hi , > > Carbomer 940 is listed as a " Thickener & Emulsifier " as is " considered " a > non-irritant. At least they got that one right ! > > You're comment about putting too much oil on your face that it causes redness > got me thinking about Metrogel. I wonder if I have been applying it to thick > subconsciously thinking if a little helps reduce the redness, what would a > glop of it do ? Maybe that's why the redness seems worse some days, and if I > avoid it for awhile and start using it again, it works great. I'm going to > pay more attention when applying it next time. > > So many triggers, so little time ! > > Good luck and thanks for your post. > > Dennis > Hi Dennis, I¹m so glad my little comment there may have helped! After reading your message, it occurs to me anew how many times I¹ve gotten an excellent seemingly ³small² tip from someone here that has enabled me to further fine tune my routine for the better  or inspired me to look at something a new way, seemingly unrelated to the actual comment at hand. Also, I got to thinking about the heavy layer thing... you¹ll find out if a thinner layer of the gel helps of course, but I do remember back when I used metrocream the doctor was shocked at how long a tube lasted me. A very light layer was effective and my skin felt better for it. Then, just as an aside about that ingredient list....at first I thought the list was reversed with water meant to be at the top. But on second look that does not seem right to me....I would be surprised it diazolidinyl urea would the second ingredient. This morning I think they are probably just out of order. It¹s not an earth-shattering issue but as I¹ve been perusing ingredients lately, it looks quite strange. Of course, I suppose I could go out and look for a Nutrderm bottle but as you say ³so many triggers, so little time!!² good luck! >> >>> The ingredients in Nutraderm are: >>> >>> carbomer 940 >>> methylparaben >>> sodium lauryl sulfate >>> mineral oil >>> cetyl alcohol >>> stearyl alcohol >>> sorbitan stearate >>> propylparaben >>> fragrance >>> trolamine >>> diazolidinyl urea >>> purified water >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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