Re: Redness, Redness, Go Away and Don't Come Back...EVER!

[Guest guest]

I just started taking baby aspirin for flushing and it

has really helped. One baby aspirin in the morning &

one at night. I also take vit. K, vit. E, & flax seed

oil. Vit. K strengthens capillary walls, E is good in

general for skin, and flax is an anti-inflammatory. I

get regular acupuncture treatments & take a Chinese

herbal tincture developed just for my condition and

system. I don't eat dairy, eggs, & all the R trigger

foods. I refuse to take antibiotics and all the other

prescribed crap the doctors throw our way. I have

found the alternative approach successful and

certainly healthful. It's been slow going, but I see

progress every week and I know I'm not doing myself

any additional harm with chemicals, etc. My

acupuncturist spends up to two hours with me every

session and asks lots of questions and writes

everything down. The most time my doctor has spent

with me is 15 minutes and he never asks me any

questions about my diet, stress level etc.

For those of you with flushing problems I also

recommend putting a cold pack on you neck when you're

in a warm environment, carrying a fan at all times,

and sucking on ice chips helps quite a lot as well.

Not one bit of what I have learned to help my R has

come from a doctor. All they offered me was

antibiotics and metrocream which is only slightly

helpful. I don't even bother going to doctors anymore

for R.

Good luck to all!

--- drummond0772 drummond0772@...> wrote:

> The main component of rosacea for me (a 20-something

> male) is

> blushing and the progressive redness and telang..oh

> whatever it's

> called--increased noticeability of facial

> capillaries.

>

> There has only been ONE treatment that has helped

> diminish these two

> symptoms significantly (by this, I mean I could look

> at myself in

> the mirror and say, 'I definitely look better').

> This was a series

> of 6 photoderm treatments last summer with one (and

> coming soon-two)

> touch-up session(s). It's clear, however, that this

> can AT BEST only

> regress rosacea's progression--in effect returning

> you to a previous

> stage of the disease--but rosacea will and has come

> back with its

> usual vengenace.

>

> I'm kind of out of ideas about what to do to

> SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE

> the redness and blushing components. I avoid

> triggers as best I can,

> and I use cold, soothing Aloe Vera to calm things

> down (though

> perhaps it only makes me feel like i'm doing this).

> I use gentle

> moisturizers etc. I'm on Noritate but that hasn't

> done much probably

> because I don't get many rosacea-induced pimples,

> and Noritate can't

> do a lot about erythema. In the past I've been on

> minocycline and a

> course of doxycycline. The minocin worked a bit

> better, but neither

> helped me significantly.

>

> Besides continuing to get laser/photoderm

> treatments--the cost

> really adds up--the only thing left for me to try

> w.r.t. redness is,

> I think, a course of very low-dose Accutane. A

> couple Q's about it

> (your thoughts would be very much appreciated): (1)

> How

> willing/unwilling are derms to prescribe it for

> rosacea maintenance?

> (2) Cost-what's it like compared to photoderm

> treatment (for me this

> amounted to $1000 for 5 zapping sessions and $300

> for touch-ups)?

>

> Finally and MOST IMPORTANTLY, has anyone found any

> other treatment

> protocal that they believe (not guess/speculate

> etc.) significantly

> reduced their redness and/or blushing?

>

> And I wonder like the rest of us: What is Dr. Nase's

> current

> condition? It's been 4 months since his operation

> now. Is he able to

> get out of bed? Type? Walk around? Someone must know

> more than I do.

>

> Unlike some other, perhaps more seasoned R

> sufferers, I feel very

> strongly that rosacea can and will be cured before

> the next decade

> begins (one can only hope). Meanwhile, better ways

> of trying to

> control the big R will pop-up now and again.

>

> Is there some munificent rosacea sufferer out there

> (maybe stopping

> to read this group's post from time to time) who is

> as frustrated

> with R as the rest of us, and who is willing to

> donate thousands of

> dollars for better/continuing rosacea research?

> That's what I pray

> for.

>

> bye for now,

> drummond

>

>

>

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> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I just started taking baby aspirin for flushing and it

has really helped. One baby aspirin in the morning &

one at night. I also take vit. K, vit. E, & flax seed

oil. Vit. K strengthens capillary walls, E is good in

general for skin, and flax is an anti-inflammatory. I

get regular acupuncture treatments & take a Chinese

herbal tincture developed just for my condition and

system. I don't eat dairy, eggs, & all the R trigger

foods. I refuse to take antibiotics and all the other

prescribed crap the doctors throw our way. I have

found the alternative approach successful and

certainly healthful. It's been slow going, but I see

progress every week and I know I'm not doing myself

any additional harm with chemicals, etc. My

acupuncturist spends up to two hours with me every

session and asks lots of questions and writes

everything down. The most time my doctor has spent

with me is 15 minutes and he never asks me any

questions about my diet, stress level etc.

For those of you with flushing problems I also

recommend putting a cold pack on you neck when you're

in a warm environment, carrying a fan at all times,

and sucking on ice chips helps quite a lot as well.

Not one bit of what I have learned to help my R has

come from a doctor. All they offered me was

antibiotics and metrocream which is only slightly

helpful. I don't even bother going to doctors anymore

for R.

Good luck to all!

--- drummond0772 drummond0772@...> wrote:

> The main component of rosacea for me (a 20-something

> male) is

> blushing and the progressive redness and telang..oh

> whatever it's

> called--increased noticeability of facial

> capillaries.

>

> There has only been ONE treatment that has helped

> diminish these two

> symptoms significantly (by this, I mean I could look

> at myself in

> the mirror and say, 'I definitely look better').

> This was a series

> of 6 photoderm treatments last summer with one (and

> coming soon-two)

> touch-up session(s). It's clear, however, that this

> can AT BEST only

> regress rosacea's progression--in effect returning

> you to a previous

> stage of the disease--but rosacea will and has come

> back with its

> usual vengenace.

>

> I'm kind of out of ideas about what to do to

> SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE

> the redness and blushing components. I avoid

> triggers as best I can,

> and I use cold, soothing Aloe Vera to calm things

> down (though

> perhaps it only makes me feel like i'm doing this).

> I use gentle

> moisturizers etc. I'm on Noritate but that hasn't

> done much probably

> because I don't get many rosacea-induced pimples,

> and Noritate can't

> do a lot about erythema. In the past I've been on

> minocycline and a

> course of doxycycline. The minocin worked a bit

> better, but neither

> helped me significantly.

>

> Besides continuing to get laser/photoderm

> treatments--the cost

> really adds up--the only thing left for me to try

> w.r.t. redness is,

> I think, a course of very low-dose Accutane. A

> couple Q's about it

> (your thoughts would be very much appreciated): (1)

> How

> willing/unwilling are derms to prescribe it for

> rosacea maintenance?

> (2) Cost-what's it like compared to photoderm

> treatment (for me this

> amounted to $1000 for 5 zapping sessions and $300

> for touch-ups)?

>

> Finally and MOST IMPORTANTLY, has anyone found any

> other treatment

> protocal that they believe (not guess/speculate

> etc.) significantly

> reduced their redness and/or blushing?

>

> And I wonder like the rest of us: What is Dr. Nase's

> current

> condition? It's been 4 months since his operation

> now. Is he able to

> get out of bed? Type? Walk around? Someone must know

> more than I do.

>

> Unlike some other, perhaps more seasoned R

> sufferers, I feel very

> strongly that rosacea can and will be cured before

> the next decade

> begins (one can only hope). Meanwhile, better ways

> of trying to

> control the big R will pop-up now and again.

>

> Is there some munificent rosacea sufferer out there

> (maybe stopping

> to read this group's post from time to time) who is

> as frustrated

> with R as the rest of us, and who is willing to

> donate thousands of

> dollars for better/continuing rosacea research?

> That's what I pray

> for.

>

> bye for now,

> drummond

>

>

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to

> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html).

> Your post will be delayed if you don't give a

> meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must

> change the subject when replying to a digest !

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just started taking baby aspirin for flushing and it

has really helped. One baby aspirin in the morning &

one at night. I also take vit. K, vit. E, & flax seed

oil. Vit. K strengthens capillary walls, E is good in

general for skin, and flax is an anti-inflammatory. I

get regular acupuncture treatments & take a Chinese

herbal tincture developed just for my condition and

system. I don't eat dairy, eggs, & all the R trigger

foods. I refuse to take antibiotics and all the other

prescribed crap the doctors throw our way. I have

found the alternative approach successful and

certainly healthful. It's been slow going, but I see

progress every week and I know I'm not doing myself

any additional harm with chemicals, etc. My

acupuncturist spends up to two hours with me every

session and asks lots of questions and writes

everything down. The most time my doctor has spent

with me is 15 minutes and he never asks me any

questions about my diet, stress level etc.

For those of you with flushing problems I also

recommend putting a cold pack on you neck when you're

in a warm environment, carrying a fan at all times,

and sucking on ice chips helps quite a lot as well.

Not one bit of what I have learned to help my R has

come from a doctor. All they offered me was

antibiotics and metrocream which is only slightly

helpful. I don't even bother going to doctors anymore

for R.

Good luck to all!

--- drummond0772 drummond0772@...> wrote:

> The main component of rosacea for me (a 20-something

> male) is

> blushing and the progressive redness and telang..oh

> whatever it's

> called--increased noticeability of facial

> capillaries.

>

> There has only been ONE treatment that has helped

> diminish these two

> symptoms significantly (by this, I mean I could look

> at myself in

> the mirror and say, 'I definitely look better').

> This was a series

> of 6 photoderm treatments last summer with one (and

> coming soon-two)

> touch-up session(s). It's clear, however, that this

> can AT BEST only

> regress rosacea's progression--in effect returning

> you to a previous

> stage of the disease--but rosacea will and has come

> back with its

> usual vengenace.

>

> I'm kind of out of ideas about what to do to

> SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE

> the redness and blushing components. I avoid

> triggers as best I can,

> and I use cold, soothing Aloe Vera to calm things

> down (though

> perhaps it only makes me feel like i'm doing this).

> I use gentle

> moisturizers etc. I'm on Noritate but that hasn't

> done much probably

> because I don't get many rosacea-induced pimples,

> and Noritate can't

> do a lot about erythema. In the past I've been on

> minocycline and a

> course of doxycycline. The minocin worked a bit

> better, but neither

> helped me significantly.

>

> Besides continuing to get laser/photoderm

> treatments--the cost

> really adds up--the only thing left for me to try

> w.r.t. redness is,

> I think, a course of very low-dose Accutane. A

> couple Q's about it

> (your thoughts would be very much appreciated): (1)

> How

> willing/unwilling are derms to prescribe it for

> rosacea maintenance?

> (2) Cost-what's it like compared to photoderm

> treatment (for me this

> amounted to $1000 for 5 zapping sessions and $300

> for touch-ups)?

>

> Finally and MOST IMPORTANTLY, has anyone found any

> other treatment

> protocal that they believe (not guess/speculate

> etc.) significantly

> reduced their redness and/or blushing?

>

> And I wonder like the rest of us: What is Dr. Nase's

> current

> condition? It's been 4 months since his operation

> now. Is he able to

> get out of bed? Type? Walk around? Someone must know

> more than I do.

>

> Unlike some other, perhaps more seasoned R

> sufferers, I feel very

> strongly that rosacea can and will be cured before

> the next decade

> begins (one can only hope). Meanwhile, better ways

> of trying to

> control the big R will pop-up now and again.

>

> Is there some munificent rosacea sufferer out there

> (maybe stopping

> to read this group's post from time to time) who is

> as frustrated

> with R as the rest of us, and who is willing to

> donate thousands of

> dollars for better/continuing rosacea research?

> That's what I pray

> for.

>

> bye for now,

> drummond

>

>

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to

> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html).

> Your post will be delayed if you don't give a

> meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must

> change the subject when replying to a digest !

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

[Guest guest]

> For those of you with flushing problems I also

> recommend putting a cold pack on you neck when you're

> in a warm environment, carrying a fan at all times,

> and sucking on ice chips helps quite a lot as well.

Actually if you want a cold pack on your head for 1/3 of the day then

I recommend spending $40 on the chillow. You slip it under your

pillow sheet. It's very cool, sometimes too cool and you might have

to put another sheet over top of it to balance it out. I've been

using it for 4 months now. It's great - much cooler than laying on a

pillow w/o it and keeps the body warmth from making my face flush

when I wrap up in a blanket.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I did a search using google and found the chillow for $20.00 and $6.00

shipping. I ordered one.

Jan

>> For those of you with flushing problems I also

>> recommend putting a cold pack on you neck when you're

>> in a warm environment, carrying a fan at all times,

>> and sucking on ice chips helps quite a lot as well.

>

> Actually if you want a cold pack on your head for 1/3 of the day then

> I recommend spending $40 on the chillow. You slip it under your

> pillow sheet. It's very cool, sometimes too cool and you might have

> to put another sheet over top of it to balance it out. I've been

> using it for 4 months now. It's great - much cooler than laying on a

> pillow w/o it and keeps the body warmth from making my face flush

> when I wrap up in a blanket.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I did a search using google and found the chillow for $20.00 and $6.00

shipping. I ordered one.

Jan

>> For those of you with flushing problems I also

>> recommend putting a cold pack on you neck when you're

>> in a warm environment, carrying a fan at all times,

>> and sucking on ice chips helps quite a lot as well.

>

> Actually if you want a cold pack on your head for 1/3 of the day then

> I recommend spending $40 on the chillow. You slip it under your

> pillow sheet. It's very cool, sometimes too cool and you might have

> to put another sheet over top of it to balance it out. I've been

> using it for 4 months now. It's great - much cooler than laying on a

> pillow w/o it and keeps the body warmth from making my face flush

> when I wrap up in a blanket.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I did a search using google and found the chillow for $20.00 and $6.00

shipping. I ordered one.

Jan

>> For those of you with flushing problems I also

>> recommend putting a cold pack on you neck when you're

>> in a warm environment, carrying a fan at all times,

>> and sucking on ice chips helps quite a lot as well.

>

> Actually if you want a cold pack on your head for 1/3 of the day then

> I recommend spending $40 on the chillow. You slip it under your

> pillow sheet. It's very cool, sometimes too cool and you might have

> to put another sheet over top of it to balance it out. I've been

> using it for 4 months now. It's great - much cooler than laying on a

> pillow w/o it and keeps the body warmth from making my face flush

> when I wrap up in a blanket.