Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

[Guest guest]

Hi there, Jenni! We're practically neighbors!!! C'Ville is correct!

First off, what is a DAN???

I spoke with a Naturopath (sp?) today, and he said that blood testing is more

accurate than

hair, but we were talking about my 10 month old son... His level was below " 4 "

for

mercury, and that was all I tested for. We didn't do lead, because we live in a

newer home.

Perhaps we should?!

V.

>

> Hey ! My name is Jeni Lynn. We live in Staunton . . . not far from you.

Charlottesville, right?

>

> I don't know what the most accurate way is to determine whether you are toxic

or not if

you are not chelating with chelators.

>

> Our DAN had us send out hair analysis on our kids. She also had us do a

" chelation

challenge " with TD-DMSA and then tested the urine to see what was excreted.

This

verifies the presence of toxins as well as helps gauge an individual's response

to the

chelator. My daughter also had blood tests done by our pediatrician which

showed toxic

levels of lead in her blood (however, blood is not an accurate way to test if

the individual's

exposure was long ago).

>

> If one is not chelating, then I am not sure how you would know if you are

toxic. I am

terribly interested in finding out myself. I suspect that I am toxic, but I

don't know for

sure. Since I don't have definitive plans for chelating myself (other than

SCD), I don't know

how I would ever know.

>

> Welcome to the group!

>

> Jeni Lynn

> SCD 2 weeks

> mom to Margeaux, 5 yr. (heavy metal toxicity, gastrointestinal problems)

> , 3 yr. (gastrointestinal problems)

> Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity, eczema)

> SCD 3 months

> Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

>

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST accurate

way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the

Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites:

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there, Jenni! We're practically neighbors!!! C'Ville is correct!

First off, what is a DAN???

I spoke with a Naturopath (sp?) today, and he said that blood testing is more

accurate than

hair, but we were talking about my 10 month old son... His level was below " 4 "

for

mercury, and that was all I tested for. We didn't do lead, because we live in a

newer home.

Perhaps we should?!

V.

>

> Hey ! My name is Jeni Lynn. We live in Staunton . . . not far from you.

Charlottesville, right?

>

> I don't know what the most accurate way is to determine whether you are toxic

or not if

you are not chelating with chelators.

>

> Our DAN had us send out hair analysis on our kids. She also had us do a

" chelation

challenge " with TD-DMSA and then tested the urine to see what was excreted.

This

verifies the presence of toxins as well as helps gauge an individual's response

to the

chelator. My daughter also had blood tests done by our pediatrician which

showed toxic

levels of lead in her blood (however, blood is not an accurate way to test if

the individual's

exposure was long ago).

>

> If one is not chelating, then I am not sure how you would know if you are

toxic. I am

terribly interested in finding out myself. I suspect that I am toxic, but I

don't know for

sure. Since I don't have definitive plans for chelating myself (other than

SCD), I don't know

how I would ever know.

>

> Welcome to the group!

>

> Jeni Lynn

> SCD 2 weeks

> mom to Margeaux, 5 yr. (heavy metal toxicity, gastrointestinal problems)

> , 3 yr. (gastrointestinal problems)

> Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity, eczema)

> SCD 3 months

> Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

>

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST accurate

way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the

Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites:

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your replies to my detox question. I appreciate very

much hearing opinions from both sides. After the replies I received

here, and my own research, I have decided not to chelate my son. As

always this list has been incredibly helpful.

Thank so much,

molly

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your replies to my detox question. I appreciate very

much hearing opinions from both sides. After the replies I received

here, and my own research, I have decided not to chelate my son. As

always this list has been incredibly helpful.

Thank so much,

molly

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your replies to my detox question. I appreciate very

much hearing opinions from both sides. After the replies I received

here, and my own research, I have decided not to chelate my son. As

always this list has been incredibly helpful.

Thank so much,

molly

[Guest guest]

In the quote, Elaine refers to

atropine sulphate

In addition to the SCD diet.

Does anyone know what this is or if it is still used?

_____

From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of carolfrilegh

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:16 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

>

> My son is doing so well on the SCD. He has mad incredible gains which

> I mainly attribute to the diet. He does also take CLO, a

> multi-vitamin, and a probiotic which I think have helped as well.

> But, now our DAN! is suggesting we chelate. She believes it will take

> my son over the final hump. I believe I read somewhere that as the

> gut heals the body is able to detox on its own. What is the scoop on

> this? I would really rather not start chelation, but I don't want to

> lose valuable time if it is really something I should be doing.

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicity.htm

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

In the quote, Elaine refers to

atropine sulphate

In addition to the SCD diet.

Does anyone know what this is or if it is still used?

_____

From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of carolfrilegh

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:16 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

>

> My son is doing so well on the SCD. He has mad incredible gains which

> I mainly attribute to the diet. He does also take CLO, a

> multi-vitamin, and a probiotic which I think have helped as well.

> But, now our DAN! is suggesting we chelate. She believes it will take

> my son over the final hump. I believe I read somewhere that as the

> gut heals the body is able to detox on its own. What is the scoop on

> this? I would really rather not start chelation, but I don't want to

> lose valuable time if it is really something I should be doing.

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicity.htm

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

In the quote, Elaine refers to

atropine sulphate

In addition to the SCD diet.

Does anyone know what this is or if it is still used?

_____

From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of carolfrilegh

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:16 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

>

> My son is doing so well on the SCD. He has mad incredible gains which

> I mainly attribute to the diet. He does also take CLO, a

> multi-vitamin, and a probiotic which I think have helped as well.

> But, now our DAN! is suggesting we chelate. She believes it will take

> my son over the final hump. I believe I read somewhere that as the

> gut heals the body is able to detox on its own. What is the scoop on

> this? I would really rather not start chelation, but I don't want to

> lose valuable time if it is really something I should be doing.

>

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/testimonies/heavy_metal_toxicity.htm

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

>

> In the quote, Elaine refers to

>

> atropine sulphate

>

> In addition to the SCD diet.

>

> Does anyone know what this is or if it is still used?

>

Atropine is an antimuscarinic with the following indications:

antispasmodic action in irritable bowel syndrome, non- ulcer dyspepsia and

diverticular

disease

ventricular bradycardia

for performing refraction procedures in young children

the reversal of competitive neuromuscular block

drying of secretions, e.g. for general anaesthesia premedication

I know nothing about it's use.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> In the quote, Elaine refers to

>

> atropine sulphate

>

> In addition to the SCD diet.

>

> Does anyone know what this is or if it is still used?

>

Atropine is an antimuscarinic with the following indications:

antispasmodic action in irritable bowel syndrome, non- ulcer dyspepsia and

diverticular

disease

ventricular bradycardia

for performing refraction procedures in young children

the reversal of competitive neuromuscular block

drying of secretions, e.g. for general anaesthesia premedication

I know nothing about it's use.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

>

> In the quote, Elaine refers to

>

> atropine sulphate

>

> In addition to the SCD diet.

>

> Does anyone know what this is or if it is still used?

>

Atropine is an antimuscarinic with the following indications:

antispasmodic action in irritable bowel syndrome, non- ulcer dyspepsia and

diverticular

disease

ventricular bradycardia

for performing refraction procedures in young children

the reversal of competitive neuromuscular block

drying of secretions, e.g. for general anaesthesia premedication

I know nothing about it's use.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website www.noamalgam.com as well as the yahoo groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website www.noamalgam.com as well as the yahoo groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website www.noamalgam.com as well as the yahoo groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi gladioli66!

Since you are a healthcare professional, maybe you can answer a question that I

posted earlier.

Is SCD alone able to pull metals that have crossed the blood/brain barrier? If

not, what does? And in your opinion, what are the safest options? One listmate

mentioned that she uses a transdermal form of ALA to avoid the gut. Do you feel

this is a good option, or would it fall in the very dangerous category?

We do work with a very good DAN, Dr. Megson, while we are chelating with dmsa.

I am hoping that we are nearing the end of it though. But if we are

propositioned with the idea of pulling metals that have crossed the blood/brain

barrier, I would like to be in a position where I could intelligently discuss

the matter.

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

SCD 2 weeks

mom to Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, eczema, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 3 months

Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website www.noamalgam.comhttp://www.noamalgam.com/> as well as the yahoo

groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

Hi gladioli66!

Since you are a healthcare professional, maybe you can answer a question that I

posted earlier.

Is SCD alone able to pull metals that have crossed the blood/brain barrier? If

not, what does? And in your opinion, what are the safest options? One listmate

mentioned that she uses a transdermal form of ALA to avoid the gut. Do you feel

this is a good option, or would it fall in the very dangerous category?

We do work with a very good DAN, Dr. Megson, while we are chelating with dmsa.

I am hoping that we are nearing the end of it though. But if we are

propositioned with the idea of pulling metals that have crossed the blood/brain

barrier, I would like to be in a position where I could intelligently discuss

the matter.

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

SCD 2 weeks

mom to Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, eczema, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 3 months

Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website www.noamalgam.comhttp://www.noamalgam.com/> as well as the yahoo

groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

Hi gladioli66!

Since you are a healthcare professional, maybe you can answer a question that I

posted earlier.

Is SCD alone able to pull metals that have crossed the blood/brain barrier? If

not, what does? And in your opinion, what are the safest options? One listmate

mentioned that she uses a transdermal form of ALA to avoid the gut. Do you feel

this is a good option, or would it fall in the very dangerous category?

We do work with a very good DAN, Dr. Megson, while we are chelating with dmsa.

I am hoping that we are nearing the end of it though. But if we are

propositioned with the idea of pulling metals that have crossed the blood/brain

barrier, I would like to be in a position where I could intelligently discuss

the matter.

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

SCD 2 weeks

mom to Elle, 17 mo. (leaky gut, eczema, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 3 months

Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website www.noamalgam.comhttp://www.noamalgam.com/> as well as the yahoo

groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

There are several lists which deal with chelation.

I would suggest that those who are seriously considering chelation to

join those lists and discuss it there.

It's just not within the scope of this list to debate types of

chelation and what is best. I'm sorry.

Chelation is a hotly debated topic. This list is to support those

following SCD.

I believe that that the information pertaining to SCD and the body's

ability to detox is in the files section. Elaine sent the information

from the doctor who said that it was effective. That is really all

the information that we have.

Beyond that, the topic will have to be pursued elsewhere in the

interest of keeping the list's focus on the diet.

Thanks!

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Sorry Jody !

It is so tempting to ask these questions here because I heavily weigh the

opinions of others who do SCD as opposed to those who do not. I will do further

investigating on this topic elsewhere.

Not to interfere again,

Jeni Lynn

Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website

www.noamalgam.comhttp://www.noamalgam.com/http://www.noamalgam.comhttp://www.\

noamalgam.com/>> as well as the yahoo groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info\

/>>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/http://www.pecanbread.com

ttp://www.pecanbread.com/>>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Jody !

It is so tempting to ask these questions here because I heavily weigh the

opinions of others who do SCD as opposed to those who do not. I will do further

investigating on this topic elsewhere.

Not to interfere again,

Jeni Lynn

Re: Detox w/diet only? Or add chelation?

Hi ,

An Elemental Hair Analysis done at Doctor's Data Inc. can give you some

valuable information about your heavy metal intoxication status, but

the test results must be evaluated by someone who actually knows what

they are looking at. As a healthcare professional and having done my

own years of research into the heavy metal intoxication issue, I don't

agree with much that has been said recently on this site regarding

chelation and it's ability to improve quality of life. Chelation can

have a very poistive impact on health with minimal to no side effects

if an appropriate and safe protocol is used, but many out there are

using ineffectual and dangerous protocols which can and do make people

worse, sometimes permanently. I would suggest you take a look at these

two publications:

AMALGAM ILLNESS:DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT by Andy Cutler

HAIR TEST INTERPRETATION: FINDING HIDDEN TOXICITIES by Cutler

The website

www.noamalgam.comhttp://www.noamalgam.com/http://www.noamalgam.comhttp://www.\

noamalgam.com/>> as well as the yahoo groups

Autism-Mercury and frequent-dose-chelation are a great source of

information as well.

Regarding the hairtest I mentioned above: a hairtest will not give you

a definitive diagnosis for anything. It is about predicting

statistical probabilities. (If you hair test looks like this, then the

chances are good that you have this or that) In my case it showed

deranged mineral transport which highly indicative of mercury

toxicity. It indicated low thyroid functioning, which was verified by

further testing, it showed low adrenal function, which was also

confirmed by further testing.

Your original question was about accurate testing for heavy metal

intoxication and that is a complicated answer. Recent toxic exposure

might show up in RBCs, blood, or urine. Chronic exposure, such as that

from vaccines and amalgams is much harder to diagnose because the

metals leave most measureable body compartments within a very short

time, as they are taken up by organs, glands, brain, nervous system,

etc., therefore one has to look for the affects it has on the body

rather than the toxic elements themselves. This is an

oversimplification, but I've done the best I can in explaining as

simply as I can. I personally would NEVER do a challenge test with a

chelating agent. IMHO they are very dangerous.

Gladioli-IBS 25years, SCD 2months, thallium/mercury/arsenic toxicity,

severe MCS, chronic fatigue, hydrocortisone 15mg per day for adrenal

replacement, armour for thyroid replacement, chelating for 9months

without side effects.

>

> Since we are on the topic of heavy metal toxicity, what is the MOST

accurate way to

> determine if one IS toxic?

>

> V.

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.infohttp://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info\

/>>

and

http://www.pecanbread.comhttp://www.pecanbread.com/http://www.pecanbread.com

ttp://www.pecanbread.com/>>

[Guest guest]

Jeni Lynn,

I'm not upset, but some people do get frustrated with the off-topic

posts and write to me asking that they be stopped.

It's always a fine line to walk. It's not possible to please all

people at all times...

Chelation is a very interesting topic, but it is a prolific topic with

a lot of varying opinions. ChelatingKids2 is a list dealing with

chelation/DAN!. Autism-mercury is another chelation list that follows

Andy Cutler's protocol.

There are probably others as well.

And I don't see what I was referring to in the files section. I'll

look for Elaine's post about the doctor who said that SCD worked to

chelate and I'll get it into the files section.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Jeni Lynn,

I'm not upset, but some people do get frustrated with the off-topic

posts and write to me asking that they be stopped.

It's always a fine line to walk. It's not possible to please all

people at all times...

Chelation is a very interesting topic, but it is a prolific topic with

a lot of varying opinions. ChelatingKids2 is a list dealing with

chelation/DAN!. Autism-mercury is another chelation list that follows

Andy Cutler's protocol.

There are probably others as well.

And I don't see what I was referring to in the files section. I'll

look for Elaine's post about the doctor who said that SCD worked to

chelate and I'll get it into the files section.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hi there, neighbors! We're in Richmond. Do you ever go the NAA

meetings in C'ville? Who's your DAN!?

Suzanne

Tom 3.4

>

> Hi there, Jenni! We're practically neighbors!!! C'Ville is

correct!

[Guest guest]

Hi there, neighbors! We're in Richmond. Do you ever go the NAA

meetings in C'ville? Who's your DAN!?

Suzanne

Tom 3.4

>

> Hi there, Jenni! We're practically neighbors!!! C'Ville is

correct!

[Guest guest]

Hi there, neighbors! We're in Richmond. Do you ever go the NAA

meetings in C'ville? Who's your DAN!?

Suzanne

Tom 3.4

>

> Hi there, Jenni! We're practically neighbors!!! C'Ville is

correct!