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In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

divina27@... writes:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of

> allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental

> sensisitivities.

> Sound familiar?

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to

> sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings

> hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's

> crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering.

>

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In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

divina27@... writes:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of

> allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental

> sensisitivities.

> Sound familiar?

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to

> sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings

> hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's

> crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering.

>

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In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

divina27@... writes:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of

> allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental

> sensisitivities.

> Sound familiar?

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to

> sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings

> hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's

> crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering.

>

YES! That;s me!

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Robin wrote:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms

> of allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and

> enviornmental sensisitivities.

No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to

strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find

them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. wrote about her

problem with people who wear perfume - I have several coworkers who must

bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On top of everything, I

wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, but I suppose that

something to do with personal taste (or a lack of).

Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody thought I was a fitness

fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had nothing to do with

fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated with a mixture of all

possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, some aftershaves are

just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, etc. .... argh - I

preferred to walk the stairs.

We moved into another building (newly built) - one of those hermetically

sealed environments where you cannot open the windows - here, they must be

spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is light powdery smell

every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, they can't smell it). A

plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or washes the plants with

's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and I am trying to eliminate

that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a blanket , it takes hours for

it to dissipate.

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure what you mean about the

stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second level of technical

support. Technical support is generally recognized as a very stressful line

of work and we deal with productions systems being down or a least major

part of their functionality being affected (most of our customers are large

corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us.

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean

> to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my

> feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood.

Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. (unfortunately). :-)

Alena

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Robin wrote:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms

> of allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and

> enviornmental sensisitivities.

No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to

strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find

them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. wrote about her

problem with people who wear perfume - I have several coworkers who must

bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On top of everything, I

wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, but I suppose that

something to do with personal taste (or a lack of).

Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody thought I was a fitness

fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had nothing to do with

fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated with a mixture of all

possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, some aftershaves are

just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, etc. .... argh - I

preferred to walk the stairs.

We moved into another building (newly built) - one of those hermetically

sealed environments where you cannot open the windows - here, they must be

spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is light powdery smell

every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, they can't smell it). A

plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or washes the plants with

's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and I am trying to eliminate

that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a blanket , it takes hours for

it to dissipate.

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure what you mean about the

stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second level of technical

support. Technical support is generally recognized as a very stressful line

of work and we deal with productions systems being down or a least major

part of their functionality being affected (most of our customers are large

corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us.

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean

> to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my

> feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood.

Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. (unfortunately). :-)

Alena

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Robin wrote:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms

> of allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and

> enviornmental sensisitivities.

No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to

strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find

them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. wrote about her

problem with people who wear perfume - I have several coworkers who must

bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On top of everything, I

wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, but I suppose that

something to do with personal taste (or a lack of).

Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody thought I was a fitness

fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had nothing to do with

fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated with a mixture of all

possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, some aftershaves are

just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, etc. .... argh - I

preferred to walk the stairs.

We moved into another building (newly built) - one of those hermetically

sealed environments where you cannot open the windows - here, they must be

spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is light powdery smell

every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, they can't smell it). A

plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or washes the plants with

's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and I am trying to eliminate

that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a blanket , it takes hours for

it to dissipate.

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure what you mean about the

stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second level of technical

support. Technical support is generally recognized as a very stressful line

of work and we deal with productions systems being down or a least major

part of their functionality being affected (most of our customers are large

corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us.

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean

> to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my

> feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood.

Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. (unfortunately). :-)

Alena

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That's almost me. I'm pretty emotional now, and I was a hell of alot worse

as a child. Everything fits except that I really do have allergies, as my

immunotherapy has been helping alot (but not my red cheeks). My stress level

is alot lower these days too, but maybe the damage has been done... On

another note, is how bad rosacea looks in the eye of the beholder as well?

For mild cases (like mine) I have a persisent pink flush, but some people I

talk to never notice, and some of the people I date actually think it's

cute. Personally I hate them and tend to get self-conscious very easily,

which makes me flush worse - perhaps our worst enemy is in our head?

P. Retford

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:05:10 EDT

From: tevythecat@...

Subject: Re: Allergies: Chemicial Sensitivities and other stuff

In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

divina27@... writes:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of

> allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental

> sensisitivities.

> Sound familiar?

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to

> sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings

> hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's

> crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering.

>

YES! That;s me!

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That's almost me. I'm pretty emotional now, and I was a hell of alot worse

as a child. Everything fits except that I really do have allergies, as my

immunotherapy has been helping alot (but not my red cheeks). My stress level

is alot lower these days too, but maybe the damage has been done... On

another note, is how bad rosacea looks in the eye of the beholder as well?

For mild cases (like mine) I have a persisent pink flush, but some people I

talk to never notice, and some of the people I date actually think it's

cute. Personally I hate them and tend to get self-conscious very easily,

which makes me flush worse - perhaps our worst enemy is in our head?

P. Retford

Carrara Extensions

www.losthorizonsoftware.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:05:10 EDT

From: tevythecat@...

Subject: Re: Allergies: Chemicial Sensitivities and other stuff

In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

divina27@... writes:

> I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following:

> Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of

> allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental

> sensisitivities.

> Sound familiar?

> What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder?

> Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to

> sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings

> hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's

> crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering.

>

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So far things seem to be meshing....

I would definitely categorize you as someone who is

sensitive to chemicals. There must be a reason why you

find it so unpleasant....

Me, I hate walking into candle stores or soap beauty

product stores because the smells are overwhelming.

So far, in this mini survey... my conclusions are

correct.

Robin

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--- Alena Coufalova alena@...> wrote:

> Robin wrote:

>

> > I would like to know how many ceans suffer

> from the following:

> > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which

> is all the symptoms

> > of allergies without the actual allergies. It is

> chemical and

> > enviornmental sensisitivities.

>

> No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am

> rather sensitive to

> strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any

> physical reaction, I just find

> them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them.

> wrote about her

> problem with people who wear perfume - I have

> several coworkers who must

> bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On

> top of everything, I

> wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes,

> but I suppose that

> something to do with personal taste (or a lack of).

> Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody

> thought I was a fitness

> fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had

> nothing to do with

> fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated

> with a mixture of all

> possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased,

> some aftershaves are

> just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste,

> etc. .... argh - I

> preferred to walk the stairs.

> We moved into another building (newly built) - one

> of those hermetically

> sealed environments where you cannot open the

> windows - here, they must be

> spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is

> light powdery smell

> every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell,

> they can't smell it). A

> plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or

> washes the plants with

> 's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and

> I am trying to eliminate

> that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a

> blanket , it takes hours for

> it to dissipate.

>

> > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in

> the eye of the beholder?

>

> I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure

> what you mean about the

> stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second

> level of technical

> support. Technical support is generally recognized

> as a very stressful line

> of work and we deal with productions systems being

> down or a least major

> part of their functionality being affected (most of

> our customers are large

> corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us.

>

>

> > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in

> general? I don't mean

> > to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a

> child and I had my

> > feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of

> adult hood.

>

> Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar.

> (unfortunately). :-)

>

> Alena

>

>

>

>

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> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html).

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>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

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So far things seem to be meshing....

I would definitely categorize you as someone who is

sensitive to chemicals. There must be a reason why you

find it so unpleasant....

Me, I hate walking into candle stores or soap beauty

product stores because the smells are overwhelming.

So far, in this mini survey... my conclusions are

correct.

Robin

Co-Host

Sapient Sanctuary: A civil place where all political

views are welcome, and quality discussion is paramount

http://forums.delphiforums.com/In_the_news/messages

Host

cea: A place to discuss cea, an inflammatory

disorder effecting the face and skin

http://forums.delphiforums.com/cea_support/messages

--- Alena Coufalova alena@...> wrote:

> Robin wrote:

>

> > I would like to know how many ceans suffer

> from the following:

> > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which

> is all the symptoms

> > of allergies without the actual allergies. It is

> chemical and

> > enviornmental sensisitivities.

>

> No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am

> rather sensitive to

> strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any

> physical reaction, I just find

> them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them.

> wrote about her

> problem with people who wear perfume - I have

> several coworkers who must

> bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On

> top of everything, I

> wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes,

> but I suppose that

> something to do with personal taste (or a lack of).

> Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody

> thought I was a fitness

> fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had

> nothing to do with

> fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated

> with a mixture of all

> possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased,

> some aftershaves are

> just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste,

> etc. .... argh - I

> preferred to walk the stairs.

> We moved into another building (newly built) - one

> of those hermetically

> sealed environments where you cannot open the

> windows - here, they must be

> spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is

> light powdery smell

> every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell,

> they can't smell it). A

> plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or

> washes the plants with

> 's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and

> I am trying to eliminate

> that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a

> blanket , it takes hours for

> it to dissipate.

>

> > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in

> the eye of the beholder?

>

> I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure

> what you mean about the

> stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second

> level of technical

> support. Technical support is generally recognized

> as a very stressful line

> of work and we deal with productions systems being

> down or a least major

> part of their functionality being affected (most of

> our customers are large

> corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us.

>

>

> > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in

> general? I don't mean

> > to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a

> child and I had my

> > feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of

> adult hood.

>

> Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar.

> (unfortunately). :-)

>

> Alena

>

>

>

>

> --

> Please read the list highlights before posting to

> the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html).

> Your post will be delayed if you don't give a

> meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must

> change the subject when replying to a digest !

>

> See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently

> published book.

>

> To leave the list send an email to

> rosacea-support-unsubscribe

>

>

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on 4/23/02 9:54 AM, Alena Coufalova wrote:

> No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to

> strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find

> them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them.

Hi, Alena - I just wanted to let you know that I was the same way! I had

always loved scented products and had no idea they were hurting me. When I

became sick with CFS and did not know it was really MCS (chemical

sensitivity), I was just like you - I started NOT liking scents and they

sort of seemed " overwhelming " to me. Yet, I was not having any kind of

physical reactions that I could tell. The problem is the body " adapts " to

these substances - just like smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they

cough at first, then the body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the

cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are!

The way I found out exactly *what* physical reactions my body was having to

these products was to avoid them for 2 weeks to give my body time to

" un-adapt " . After that, a re-exposure would trigger physical reactions in

me. It was just amazing that my 24/7 dizziness problem I had for 6 years at

that time disappeared after getting away from perfumes, cleaning products,

etc.!

Take care!

Jacki :)

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on 4/23/02 9:54 AM, Alena Coufalova wrote:

> No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to

> strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find

> them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them.

Hi, Alena - I just wanted to let you know that I was the same way! I had

always loved scented products and had no idea they were hurting me. When I

became sick with CFS and did not know it was really MCS (chemical

sensitivity), I was just like you - I started NOT liking scents and they

sort of seemed " overwhelming " to me. Yet, I was not having any kind of

physical reactions that I could tell. The problem is the body " adapts " to

these substances - just like smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they

cough at first, then the body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the

cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are!

The way I found out exactly *what* physical reactions my body was having to

these products was to avoid them for 2 weeks to give my body time to

" un-adapt " . After that, a re-exposure would trigger physical reactions in

me. It was just amazing that my 24/7 dizziness problem I had for 6 years at

that time disappeared after getting away from perfumes, cleaning products,

etc.!

Take care!

Jacki :)

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on 4/23/02 9:54 AM, Alena Coufalova wrote:

> No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to

> strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find

> them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them.

Hi, Alena - I just wanted to let you know that I was the same way! I had

always loved scented products and had no idea they were hurting me. When I

became sick with CFS and did not know it was really MCS (chemical

sensitivity), I was just like you - I started NOT liking scents and they

sort of seemed " overwhelming " to me. Yet, I was not having any kind of

physical reactions that I could tell. The problem is the body " adapts " to

these substances - just like smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they

cough at first, then the body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the

cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are!

The way I found out exactly *what* physical reactions my body was having to

these products was to avoid them for 2 weeks to give my body time to

" un-adapt " . After that, a re-exposure would trigger physical reactions in

me. It was just amazing that my 24/7 dizziness problem I had for 6 years at

that time disappeared after getting away from perfumes, cleaning products,

etc.!

Take care!

Jacki :)

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> The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like

> smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the

> body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the

> cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are!

I'm not questioning your beliefs, Jacki, but just so you know, that's

not an accurate analogy to explain your " unadapting " experience.

There's no equivalent changes in the epithelium lining the nasal

passages as those that take place in bronchial epithelium with

chronic exposure to smoke.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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> The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like

> smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the

> body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the

> cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are!

I'm not questioning your beliefs, Jacki, but just so you know, that's

not an accurate analogy to explain your " unadapting " experience.

There's no equivalent changes in the epithelium lining the nasal

passages as those that take place in bronchial epithelium with

chronic exposure to smoke.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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> The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like

> smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the

> body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the

> cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are!

I'm not questioning your beliefs, Jacki, but just so you know, that's

not an accurate analogy to explain your " unadapting " experience.

There's no equivalent changes in the epithelium lining the nasal

passages as those that take place in bronchial epithelium with

chronic exposure to smoke.

Marjorie

Marjorie Lazoff, MD

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Jacki,

Thanks for your response. Lately, I am becoming a bit obssessed with keeping

my house as chemical-free as possible and try not to use any detergents at

all, unless I really have to. Vinegar and baking soda are wonderful cleaning

tools and the environment in general benefits as well. I do have to use

softener sheets in the dryer, because with 3 dogs, I would never get the dog

hair off my clothes and bedding , etc. I stopped using the detergent that

goes into a carpet steamer (Bissell) and use Oxyfresh only. With Oxyfresh,

at least there is no smell that lingers in the house for a week after each

rug cleaning (plain water doesn't take a barf stain out of the rug,

unfortunately). Peroxyde is wonderful for blood stains - it just literally

eats the blood away. (I wish the pharmacies sold it by a gallon, it would be

more economical than the half litre bottles). :-)

I think that we (in North America, at least) are exposed to too many

commercials that try to convince us that we cannot live without all the

chemical stuff the manufacturers are churning out day and night. Having

grown up in (former) Czechoslovakia, we were not as worried about bacteria

on the kitchen counter as we seem to be here. I cringe at the thought of

spraying Lysol all over - I handle of LOT of raw chicken because my dogs eat

partly BARF diet (that stands for Bones and Raw Food) and I never had a

problem. Please don't get me wrong, I am careful and clean up afterwards,

bla bla bla, I just think we don't need to soak everything in Lysol et al.

Later,

Alena

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