Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, divina27@... writes: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of > allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental > sensisitivities. > Sound familiar? > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to > sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings > hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's > crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering. > YES! That;s me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, divina27@... writes: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of > allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental > sensisitivities. > Sound familiar? > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to > sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings > hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's > crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering. > YES! That;s me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, divina27@... writes: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of > allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental > sensisitivities. > Sound familiar? > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to > sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings > hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's > crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering. > YES! That;s me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Robin wrote: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms > of allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and > enviornmental sensisitivities. No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. wrote about her problem with people who wear perfume - I have several coworkers who must bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On top of everything, I wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, but I suppose that something to do with personal taste (or a lack of). Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody thought I was a fitness fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had nothing to do with fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated with a mixture of all possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, some aftershaves are just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, etc. .... argh - I preferred to walk the stairs. We moved into another building (newly built) - one of those hermetically sealed environments where you cannot open the windows - here, they must be spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is light powdery smell every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, they can't smell it). A plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or washes the plants with 's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and I am trying to eliminate that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a blanket , it takes hours for it to dissipate. > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure what you mean about the stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second level of technical support. Technical support is generally recognized as a very stressful line of work and we deal with productions systems being down or a least major part of their functionality being affected (most of our customers are large corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us. > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean > to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my > feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. (unfortunately). :-) Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Robin wrote: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms > of allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and > enviornmental sensisitivities. No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. wrote about her problem with people who wear perfume - I have several coworkers who must bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On top of everything, I wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, but I suppose that something to do with personal taste (or a lack of). Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody thought I was a fitness fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had nothing to do with fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated with a mixture of all possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, some aftershaves are just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, etc. .... argh - I preferred to walk the stairs. We moved into another building (newly built) - one of those hermetically sealed environments where you cannot open the windows - here, they must be spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is light powdery smell every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, they can't smell it). A plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or washes the plants with 's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and I am trying to eliminate that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a blanket , it takes hours for it to dissipate. > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure what you mean about the stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second level of technical support. Technical support is generally recognized as a very stressful line of work and we deal with productions systems being down or a least major part of their functionality being affected (most of our customers are large corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us. > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean > to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my > feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. (unfortunately). :-) Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Robin wrote: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms > of allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and > enviornmental sensisitivities. No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. wrote about her problem with people who wear perfume - I have several coworkers who must bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On top of everything, I wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, but I suppose that something to do with personal taste (or a lack of). Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody thought I was a fitness fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had nothing to do with fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated with a mixture of all possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, some aftershaves are just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, etc. .... argh - I preferred to walk the stairs. We moved into another building (newly built) - one of those hermetically sealed environments where you cannot open the windows - here, they must be spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is light powdery smell every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, they can't smell it). A plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or washes the plants with 's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and I am trying to eliminate that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a blanket , it takes hours for it to dissipate. > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure what you mean about the stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second level of technical support. Technical support is generally recognized as a very stressful line of work and we deal with productions systems being down or a least major part of their functionality being affected (most of our customers are large corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us. > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean > to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my > feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. (unfortunately). :-) Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 That's almost me. I'm pretty emotional now, and I was a hell of alot worse as a child. Everything fits except that I really do have allergies, as my immunotherapy has been helping alot (but not my red cheeks). My stress level is alot lower these days too, but maybe the damage has been done... On another note, is how bad rosacea looks in the eye of the beholder as well? For mild cases (like mine) I have a persisent pink flush, but some people I talk to never notice, and some of the people I date actually think it's cute. Personally I hate them and tend to get self-conscious very easily, which makes me flush worse - perhaps our worst enemy is in our head? P. Retford Carrara Extensions www.losthorizonsoftware.com Message: 18 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:05:10 EDT From: tevythecat@... Subject: Re: Allergies: Chemicial Sensitivities and other stuff In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, divina27@... writes: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of > allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental > sensisitivities. > Sound familiar? > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to > sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings > hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's > crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering. > YES! That;s me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 That's almost me. I'm pretty emotional now, and I was a hell of alot worse as a child. Everything fits except that I really do have allergies, as my immunotherapy has been helping alot (but not my red cheeks). My stress level is alot lower these days too, but maybe the damage has been done... On another note, is how bad rosacea looks in the eye of the beholder as well? For mild cases (like mine) I have a persisent pink flush, but some people I talk to never notice, and some of the people I date actually think it's cute. Personally I hate them and tend to get self-conscious very easily, which makes me flush worse - perhaps our worst enemy is in our head? P. Retford Carrara Extensions www.losthorizonsoftware.com Message: 18 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:05:10 EDT From: tevythecat@... Subject: Re: Allergies: Chemicial Sensitivities and other stuff In a message dated 4/22/02 10:37:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, divina27@... writes: > I would like to know how many ceans suffer from the following: > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which is all the symptoms of > allergies without the actual allergies. It is chemical and enviornmental > sensisitivities. > Sound familiar? > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in the eye of the beholder? > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in general? I don't mean to > sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a child and I had my feelings > hurt very easy in the early stages of adult hood. I spent most of my 20's > crying about something. Literally. So I am just wondering. > YES! That;s me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 So far things seem to be meshing.... I would definitely categorize you as someone who is sensitive to chemicals. There must be a reason why you find it so unpleasant.... Me, I hate walking into candle stores or soap beauty product stores because the smells are overwhelming. So far, in this mini survey... my conclusions are correct. Robin Co-Host Sapient Sanctuary: A civil place where all political views are welcome, and quality discussion is paramount http://forums.delphiforums.com/In_the_news/messages Host cea: A place to discuss cea, an inflammatory disorder effecting the face and skin http://forums.delphiforums.com/cea_support/messages --- Alena Coufalova alena@...> wrote: > Robin wrote: > > > I would like to know how many ceans suffer > from the following: > > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which > is all the symptoms > > of allergies without the actual allergies. It is > chemical and > > enviornmental sensisitivities. > > No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am > rather sensitive to > strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any > physical reaction, I just find > them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. > wrote about her > problem with people who wear perfume - I have > several coworkers who must > bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On > top of everything, I > wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, > but I suppose that > something to do with personal taste (or a lack of). > Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody > thought I was a fitness > fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had > nothing to do with > fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated > with a mixture of all > possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, > some aftershaves are > just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, > etc. .... argh - I > preferred to walk the stairs. > We moved into another building (newly built) - one > of those hermetically > sealed environments where you cannot open the > windows - here, they must be > spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is > light powdery smell > every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, > they can't smell it). A > plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or > washes the plants with > 's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and > I am trying to eliminate > that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a > blanket , it takes hours for > it to dissipate. > > > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in > the eye of the beholder? > > I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure > what you mean about the > stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second > level of technical > support. Technical support is generally recognized > as a very stressful line > of work and we deal with productions systems being > down or a least major > part of their functionality being affected (most of > our customers are large > corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us. > > > > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in > general? I don't mean > > to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a > child and I had my > > feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of > adult hood. > > Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. > (unfortunately). :-) > > Alena > > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 So far things seem to be meshing.... I would definitely categorize you as someone who is sensitive to chemicals. There must be a reason why you find it so unpleasant.... Me, I hate walking into candle stores or soap beauty product stores because the smells are overwhelming. So far, in this mini survey... my conclusions are correct. Robin Co-Host Sapient Sanctuary: A civil place where all political views are welcome, and quality discussion is paramount http://forums.delphiforums.com/In_the_news/messages Host cea: A place to discuss cea, an inflammatory disorder effecting the face and skin http://forums.delphiforums.com/cea_support/messages --- Alena Coufalova alena@...> wrote: > Robin wrote: > > > I would like to know how many ceans suffer > from the following: > > Allergies... particularly Vasomotor rhinitis which > is all the symptoms > > of allergies without the actual allergies. It is > chemical and > > enviornmental sensisitivities. > > No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am > rather sensitive to > strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any > physical reaction, I just find > them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. > wrote about her > problem with people who wear perfume - I have > several coworkers who must > bathe in the perfume every morning (I assume). On > top of everything, I > wonder why anyone would choose such heavy perfumes, > but I suppose that > something to do with personal taste (or a lack of). > Our office used to be on the 4th floor and everybody > thought I was a fitness > fanatic because I never took the elevator. It had > nothing to do with > fitness - in the morning, the elevator was saturated > with a mixture of all > possible perfumes (and let's not be gender-biased, > some aftershaves are > just as bad) and there is mouthwash, toothpaste, > etc. .... argh - I > preferred to walk the stairs. > We moved into another building (newly built) - one > of those hermetically > sealed environments where you cannot open the > windows - here, they must be > spraying the carpet with some stuff because there is > light powdery smell > every morning (funny thing is, nobody else can tell, > they can't smell it). A > plant care lady comes once a week and sprays or > washes the plants with > 's Oil (or is it 's Soap? not sure) and > I am trying to eliminate > that. That smell is horrendous and it is like a > blanket , it takes hours for > it to dissipate. > > > What about stress factor? Remember stress is in > the eye of the beholder? > > I have a very stressful job - I am not quite sure > what you mean about the > stress in the eye of the beholder - but I am second > level of technical > support. Technical support is generally recognized > as a very stressful line > of work and we deal with productions systems being > down or a least major > part of their functionality being affected (most of > our customers are large > corporations) so there is a lot of pressure on us. > > > > Finally, how many of you are emotional people in > general? I don't mean > > to sound weird. But I was always a cry baby as a > child and I had my > > feelings hurt very easy in the early stages of > adult hood. > > Yes, this definitely sounds very familiar. > (unfortunately). :-) > > Alena > > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 on 4/23/02 9:54 AM, Alena Coufalova wrote: > No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to > strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find > them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. Hi, Alena - I just wanted to let you know that I was the same way! I had always loved scented products and had no idea they were hurting me. When I became sick with CFS and did not know it was really MCS (chemical sensitivity), I was just like you - I started NOT liking scents and they sort of seemed " overwhelming " to me. Yet, I was not having any kind of physical reactions that I could tell. The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are! The way I found out exactly *what* physical reactions my body was having to these products was to avoid them for 2 weeks to give my body time to " un-adapt " . After that, a re-exposure would trigger physical reactions in me. It was just amazing that my 24/7 dizziness problem I had for 6 years at that time disappeared after getting away from perfumes, cleaning products, etc.! Take care! Jacki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 on 4/23/02 9:54 AM, Alena Coufalova wrote: > No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to > strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find > them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. Hi, Alena - I just wanted to let you know that I was the same way! I had always loved scented products and had no idea they were hurting me. When I became sick with CFS and did not know it was really MCS (chemical sensitivity), I was just like you - I started NOT liking scents and they sort of seemed " overwhelming " to me. Yet, I was not having any kind of physical reactions that I could tell. The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are! The way I found out exactly *what* physical reactions my body was having to these products was to avoid them for 2 weeks to give my body time to " un-adapt " . After that, a re-exposure would trigger physical reactions in me. It was just amazing that my 24/7 dizziness problem I had for 6 years at that time disappeared after getting away from perfumes, cleaning products, etc.! Take care! Jacki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 on 4/23/02 9:54 AM, Alena Coufalova wrote: > No, I don't have any allergies per se, though I am rather sensitive to > strong smells and chemicals. I don't have any physical reaction, I just find > them very unpleasant and hate being exposed to them. Hi, Alena - I just wanted to let you know that I was the same way! I had always loved scented products and had no idea they were hurting me. When I became sick with CFS and did not know it was really MCS (chemical sensitivity), I was just like you - I started NOT liking scents and they sort of seemed " overwhelming " to me. Yet, I was not having any kind of physical reactions that I could tell. The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are! The way I found out exactly *what* physical reactions my body was having to these products was to avoid them for 2 weeks to give my body time to " un-adapt " . After that, a re-exposure would trigger physical reactions in me. It was just amazing that my 24/7 dizziness problem I had for 6 years at that time disappeared after getting away from perfumes, cleaning products, etc.! Take care! Jacki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 > The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like > smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the > body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the > cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are! I'm not questioning your beliefs, Jacki, but just so you know, that's not an accurate analogy to explain your " unadapting " experience. There's no equivalent changes in the epithelium lining the nasal passages as those that take place in bronchial epithelium with chronic exposure to smoke. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 > The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like > smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the > body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the > cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are! I'm not questioning your beliefs, Jacki, but just so you know, that's not an accurate analogy to explain your " unadapting " experience. There's no equivalent changes in the epithelium lining the nasal passages as those that take place in bronchial epithelium with chronic exposure to smoke. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 > The problem is the body " adapts " to these substances - just like > smokers have to adapt to cigarettes - they cough at first, then the > body eventually adjusts... They can't tell the > cigarettes are still harming them, but they really are! I'm not questioning your beliefs, Jacki, but just so you know, that's not an accurate analogy to explain your " unadapting " experience. There's no equivalent changes in the epithelium lining the nasal passages as those that take place in bronchial epithelium with chronic exposure to smoke. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2002 Report Share Posted April 26, 2002 Jacki, Thanks for your response. Lately, I am becoming a bit obssessed with keeping my house as chemical-free as possible and try not to use any detergents at all, unless I really have to. Vinegar and baking soda are wonderful cleaning tools and the environment in general benefits as well. I do have to use softener sheets in the dryer, because with 3 dogs, I would never get the dog hair off my clothes and bedding , etc. I stopped using the detergent that goes into a carpet steamer (Bissell) and use Oxyfresh only. With Oxyfresh, at least there is no smell that lingers in the house for a week after each rug cleaning (plain water doesn't take a barf stain out of the rug, unfortunately). Peroxyde is wonderful for blood stains - it just literally eats the blood away. (I wish the pharmacies sold it by a gallon, it would be more economical than the half litre bottles). :-) I think that we (in North America, at least) are exposed to too many commercials that try to convince us that we cannot live without all the chemical stuff the manufacturers are churning out day and night. Having grown up in (former) Czechoslovakia, we were not as worried about bacteria on the kitchen counter as we seem to be here. I cringe at the thought of spraying Lysol all over - I handle of LOT of raw chicken because my dogs eat partly BARF diet (that stands for Bones and Raw Food) and I never had a problem. Please don't get me wrong, I am careful and clean up afterwards, bla bla bla, I just think we don't need to soak everything in Lysol et al. Later, Alena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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