Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 I don't have an answer for you but I just wanted to say good luck with the treatment. And to say hi to the other . Now I remember, there was a mom of triplets, you mom of twins, and me mom of two, no multiples. I can't see how you could keep Alec from getting the pseudo. But someone else asked, if your kid gets pseudo are they OK and the family? We are all OK and 's had pseudo for about 16 yrs. If you ever saw her you'd never guess she has CF, unless if she was having an exaserbation and she coughed. We are still married, we are all OK! :Love, M 1st time w/ pseudomas aeruginosa Found out today my son, Adam, has grown pseudomonas aeruginosa for the 1st time. On wed the drs will let us know what they will do. The nurse said it is possible they will do nothing. I would like to hear from others about their treatment concerning this bacteria. I was shocked when they told me, because Adam has no symptoms of cf. We only know about Adam because his twin brother had some problems when he was a toddler. Since the boys were dx at 18 mths and 19 mths, Alec has been on Creon 10 and Adek. Adam takes nothing. Some of our questions--Can drs determine how much of the lungs are affected?, Is it a slow growing bacteria?, How do we protect Alec from it? W. (one of the original 3 s) mom to Adam and Alec both 7 wcf plus Chance 13 ncf and Chase 16 ncf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Hi , I think it is common sense in the US now too, that Pseudomonas needs to be treated agressively ON FIRST DETECTION. When you wait until symptoms occur the damage is already done and hard to reverse. On top of that there is the risk of cross-infection of Alec, so I hope this clinic is run by docs and not by nurses. I think at this stage you can't tell how much of the lung is affected (maybe it's not in the lung yet but only in the upper airways) and you can't predict the course of the infection. Obviously Adam has some " good genes " that have kept him healthy so far. It is to hope that they will help to keep Pseudomonas at bay too and that the antibiotics (TOBI alone or a combo of Cipro and TOBI) will be able to eradicate the buggers. Good Luck! Torsten > Found out today my son, Adam, has grown pseudomonas aeruginosa for the > 1st time. On wed the drs will let us know what they will do. The nurse > said it is possible they will do nothing. I would like to hear from > others about their treatment concerning this bacteria. I was shocked > when they told me, because Adam has no symptoms of cf. We only know > about Adam because his twin brother had some problems when he was a > toddler. Since the boys were dx at 18 mths and 19 mths, Alec has been on > Creon 10 and Adek. Adam takes nothing. Some of our questions--Can drs > determine how much of the lungs are affected?, Is it a slow growing > bacteria?, How do we protect Alec from it? > W. (one of the original 3 s) mom to Adam and Alec both 7 > wcf plus Chance 13 ncf and Chase 16 ncf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Hi , I agree, hit it hard at first detection. And I'd opt for Cipro and Zithromax along with inhaling TOBI. Zithromax will reduce immediate inflammation caused by the PA. And studies show a combo of Zithromax and Cipro works better than Cipro alone. One other note, if you do the oral antibiotics, Cipro is often hard on the gut, so get a good probiotic to keep the intestinal flora healthy. My son first cultured PA when he was about six years old. Not sure of the timing because no one told us; I found out accidently about an old lab report. He didn't have symptoms at the time of the culture so the doctor opted not to treat. This was the standard US practice way back then. Now, my son cultures two forms of PA. One is mucoid the other isn't. Best wishes to you whatever you decide to do. Kim Mom of (23 with asthma and cf) and (20 asthma no cf) > > Found out today my son, Adam, has grown pseudomonas aeruginosa for > the > > 1st time. On wed the drs will let us know what they will do. The > nurse > > said it is possible they will do nothing. I would like to hear from > > others about their treatment concerning this bacteria. I was shocked > > when they told me, because Adam has no symptoms of cf. We only know > > about Adam because his twin brother had some problems when he was a > > toddler. Since the boys were dx at 18 mths and 19 mths, Alec has > been on > > Creon 10 and Adek. Adam takes nothing. Some of our questions-- Can > drs > > determine how much of the lungs are affected?, Is it a slow growing > > bacteria?, How do we protect Alec from it? > > W. (one of the original 3 s) mom to Adam and Alec both > 7 > > wcf plus Chance 13 ncf and Chase 16 ncf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Hi , I agree, hit it hard at first detection. And I'd opt for Cipro and Zithromax along with inhaling TOBI. Zithromax will reduce immediate inflammation caused by the PA. And studies show a combo of Zithromax and Cipro works better than Cipro alone. One other note, if you do the oral antibiotics, Cipro is often hard on the gut, so get a good probiotic to keep the intestinal flora healthy. My son first cultured PA when he was about six years old. Not sure of the timing because no one told us; I found out accidently about an old lab report. He didn't have symptoms at the time of the culture so the doctor opted not to treat. This was the standard US practice way back then. Now, my son cultures two forms of PA. One is mucoid the other isn't. Best wishes to you whatever you decide to do. Kim Mom of (23 with asthma and cf) and (20 asthma no cf) > > Found out today my son, Adam, has grown pseudomonas aeruginosa for > the > > 1st time. On wed the drs will let us know what they will do. The > nurse > > said it is possible they will do nothing. I would like to hear from > > others about their treatment concerning this bacteria. I was shocked > > when they told me, because Adam has no symptoms of cf. We only know > > about Adam because his twin brother had some problems when he was a > > toddler. Since the boys were dx at 18 mths and 19 mths, Alec has > been on > > Creon 10 and Adek. Adam takes nothing. Some of our questions-- Can > drs > > determine how much of the lungs are affected?, Is it a slow growing > > bacteria?, How do we protect Alec from it? > > W. (one of the original 3 s) mom to Adam and Alec both > 7 > > wcf plus Chance 13 ncf and Chase 16 ncf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Hi ---don't panic. Your son is doing well to just now have this growing. My daughter showed PA in a culture earlier this year and she was only 2 at the time. X-rays will help determine the extent of the bug and there is now a high resolution cat scan that can be done for the best information. The next step would be a bronchoscopy. My daughter was hospitalized for 10 days in March and has had clean cultures and xrays ever since. That doesn't mean it's gone, but it's not currently posing a problem. I know that this is frightening and overwhelming and you want a lot of information. Stay in close contact with your doctors and trust your instincts. Things will be fine. Lots of hand washing to protect your other son, don't share towels, the usual precautions and he'll be fine. Hang in there. mary,mom of 3----one pwcf ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Hi ---don't panic. Your son is doing well to just now have this growing. My daughter showed PA in a culture earlier this year and she was only 2 at the time. X-rays will help determine the extent of the bug and there is now a high resolution cat scan that can be done for the best information. The next step would be a bronchoscopy. My daughter was hospitalized for 10 days in March and has had clean cultures and xrays ever since. That doesn't mean it's gone, but it's not currently posing a problem. I know that this is frightening and overwhelming and you want a lot of information. Stay in close contact with your doctors and trust your instincts. Things will be fine. Lots of hand washing to protect your other son, don't share towels, the usual precautions and he'll be fine. Hang in there. mary,mom of 3----one pwcf ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Hi, Thank you, I have received some good information and am ready for the drs call tomorrow concerning Adam. The unknown is frustrating. If there is a parent whose child goes to Dallas Children's Medical Center and you can shed light on how that group handles pseudomas aeruginosa, please contact me. W. mom to twins Adam and Alec w/cf (7) , Chance (13) ncf and Chase (16) ncf msulli4@... wrote: > Hi ---don't panic. Your son is doing well to just now have this growing. My daughter showed PA in a culture earlier this year and she was only 2 at the time. X-rays will help determine the extent of the bug and there is now a high resolution cat scan that can be done for the best information. The next step would be a bronchoscopy. My daughter was hospitalized for 10 days in March and has had clean cultures and xrays ever since. That doesn't mean it's gone, but it's not currently posing a problem. I know that this is frightening and overwhelming and you want a lot of information. Stay in close contact with your doctors and trust your instincts. Things will be fine. Lots of hand washing to protect your other son, don't share towels, the usual precautions and he'll be fine. Hang in there. > > mary,mom of 3----one pwcf > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ------------------------------------------- > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY > be construed as medical advice. > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Hi, Thank you, I have received some good information and am ready for the drs call tomorrow concerning Adam. The unknown is frustrating. If there is a parent whose child goes to Dallas Children's Medical Center and you can shed light on how that group handles pseudomas aeruginosa, please contact me. W. mom to twins Adam and Alec w/cf (7) , Chance (13) ncf and Chase (16) ncf msulli4@... wrote: > Hi ---don't panic. Your son is doing well to just now have this growing. My daughter showed PA in a culture earlier this year and she was only 2 at the time. X-rays will help determine the extent of the bug and there is now a high resolution cat scan that can be done for the best information. The next step would be a bronchoscopy. My daughter was hospitalized for 10 days in March and has had clean cultures and xrays ever since. That doesn't mean it's gone, but it's not currently posing a problem. I know that this is frightening and overwhelming and you want a lot of information. Stay in close contact with your doctors and trust your instincts. Things will be fine. Lots of hand washing to protect your other son, don't share towels, the usual precautions and he'll be fine. Hang in there. > > mary,mom of 3----one pwcf > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ------------------------------------------- > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY > be construed as medical advice. > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hi everyone, The drs are treating Adam's new friends with Cipro and Tobi. We are waiting for the insurance to approve Tobi The drs said no to Zithromax, x ray, and ct scan, because Adam isn't having any problems yet. I wanted a xray to see how extensive the lungs are involved or maybe the pseudos are still in the airway. The next xray is not scheduled until April.Thank you for all of the information. The nurse wanted to know where I received my information. W. mom to Adam and Alec both 7 w/cf, Chance 13ncf and Chase 16 ncf > ---------------------------------------- > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY > be construed as medical advice. > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hi everyone, The drs are treating Adam's new friends with Cipro and Tobi. We are waiting for the insurance to approve Tobi The drs said no to Zithromax, x ray, and ct scan, because Adam isn't having any problems yet. I wanted a xray to see how extensive the lungs are involved or maybe the pseudos are still in the airway. The next xray is not scheduled until April.Thank you for all of the information. The nurse wanted to know where I received my information. W. mom to Adam and Alec both 7 w/cf, Chance 13ncf and Chase 16 ncf > ---------------------------------------- > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY > be construed as medical advice. > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hi everyone, The drs are treating Adam's new friends with Cipro and Tobi. We are waiting for the insurance to approve Tobi The drs said no to Zithromax, x ray, and ct scan, because Adam isn't having any problems yet. I wanted a xray to see how extensive the lungs are involved or maybe the pseudos are still in the airway. The next xray is not scheduled until April.Thank you for all of the information. The nurse wanted to know where I received my information. W. mom to Adam and Alec both 7 w/cf, Chance 13ncf and Chase 16 ncf > ---------------------------------------- > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY > be construed as medical advice. > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 The nurse was okay until I started pushing for the items after she told me the drs said no. If you can find or let me know where I could look for the study concerning the combination of the 2 drugs, I would appreciate it. We are going in tomorrow for a refresher course in CPT. W. mom to Adam and Alec both 7 wcf " paynekimj " wrote: > Uh, oh... " The nurse wanted to know where I received my information. " > > Over the years, I've learned this is either a good or bad omen. Did > the nurse seem impressed or defensive about your knowledge? Sometimes > medical caregivers get really " anxious " when faced with knowledgeable > parents. > > It's stupid, I know, because the more information you have the more > you can participate in decisions. BUT there are still a few doctors, > nurses, technicians, etc. who don't want a parent's input -- they > just want to get through the day using what they know and with as > little new thinking or hassles as necessary. > > I know lots of doctors and nurses aren't like that -- but I know > there are many exactly like that. I hope Adam's medical caregivers > are the " impressed with your knowledge " type, not the other type. > > But I don't understand the reluctance about Zithromax. If he's > definitely culturing PA, then there's some underlying inflammation > REGARDLESS of symptoms -- and the Zithromax will address it and > prevent further damage. > > I'd really insist upon Zithromax whenever there's a positive PA > culture. And studies show Cipro's power is boosted when given with > Zithromax. > > I can try to locate that study again for you. Or maybe Torsten has > that one handy. > > Kim > Mom of (23 with asthma and cf) and (20 asthma no cf) > > > ------------------------------- > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY > be construed as medical advice. > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 The nurse was okay until I started pushing for the items after she told me the drs said no. If you can find or let me know where I could look for the study concerning the combination of the 2 drugs, I would appreciate it. We are going in tomorrow for a refresher course in CPT. W. mom to Adam and Alec both 7 wcf " paynekimj " wrote: > Uh, oh... " The nurse wanted to know where I received my information. " > > Over the years, I've learned this is either a good or bad omen. Did > the nurse seem impressed or defensive about your knowledge? Sometimes > medical caregivers get really " anxious " when faced with knowledgeable > parents. > > It's stupid, I know, because the more information you have the more > you can participate in decisions. BUT there are still a few doctors, > nurses, technicians, etc. who don't want a parent's input -- they > just want to get through the day using what they know and with as > little new thinking or hassles as necessary. > > I know lots of doctors and nurses aren't like that -- but I know > there are many exactly like that. I hope Adam's medical caregivers > are the " impressed with your knowledge " type, not the other type. > > But I don't understand the reluctance about Zithromax. If he's > definitely culturing PA, then there's some underlying inflammation > REGARDLESS of symptoms -- and the Zithromax will address it and > prevent further damage. > > I'd really insist upon Zithromax whenever there's a positive PA > culture. And studies show Cipro's power is boosted when given with > Zithromax. > > I can try to locate that study again for you. Or maybe Torsten has > that one handy. > > Kim > Mom of (23 with asthma and cf) and (20 asthma no cf) > > > ------------------------------- > The opinions and information exchanged on this list should IN NO WAY > be construed as medical advice. > > PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE CHANGING ANY MEDICATIONS OR TREATMENTS. > > ------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hi , Below is a link to a 2002 Zithromax study published in the journal, Pharmacotheraphy. It's 14 pages, clearly outlined, and contains strong supporting evidence for using Zithromax: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/427440 And below, is a copy of an abstract from April 2002. I'm still wading through my files for other abstracts but this should help for now. Good luck tomorrow. Kim Mom of (23 with asthma and cf) and (20 asthma no cf) ----------------------------------------- Antimicrob Agents Chemother 2002 Apr;46(4):1105-7 Synergistic activities of macrolide antibiotics against Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Burkholderia cepacia, Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, and Alcaligenes xylosoxidans isolated from patients with cystic fibrosis. Saiman L, Chen Y, PS, Knirsch C. Department of Pediatrics, Columbia University, New York, New York 10032, USA. LS5@... Azithromycin and clarithromycin were paired with other antibiotics to test synergistic activity against 300 multidrug-resistant pathogens isolated from cystic fibrosis (CF) patients. Clarithromycin- tobramycin was most active against Pseudomonas aeruginosa and inhibited 58% of strains. Azithromycin-trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, azithromycin-ceftazidime, and azithromycin-doxycycline or azithromycin-trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole inhibited 40, 20, and 22% of Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, Burkholderia cepacia complex, and Achromobacter (Alcaligenes) xylosoxidans strains, respectively. PMID: 11897598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hi , Below is a link to a 2002 Zithromax study published in the journal, Pharmacotheraphy. It's 14 pages, clearly outlined, and contains strong supporting evidence for using Zithromax: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/427440 And below, is a copy of an abstract from April 2002. I'm still wading through my files for other abstracts but this should help for now. Good luck tomorrow. Kim Mom of (23 with asthma and cf) and (20 asthma no cf) ----------------------------------------- Antimicrob Agents Chemother 2002 Apr;46(4):1105-7 Synergistic activities of macrolide antibiotics against Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Burkholderia cepacia, Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, and Alcaligenes xylosoxidans isolated from patients with cystic fibrosis. Saiman L, Chen Y, PS, Knirsch C. Department of Pediatrics, Columbia University, New York, New York 10032, USA. LS5@... Azithromycin and clarithromycin were paired with other antibiotics to test synergistic activity against 300 multidrug-resistant pathogens isolated from cystic fibrosis (CF) patients. Clarithromycin- tobramycin was most active against Pseudomonas aeruginosa and inhibited 58% of strains. Azithromycin-trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, azithromycin-ceftazidime, and azithromycin-doxycycline or azithromycin-trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole inhibited 40, 20, and 22% of Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, Burkholderia cepacia complex, and Achromobacter (Alcaligenes) xylosoxidans strains, respectively. PMID: 11897598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Hi , Below is a link to a 2002 Zithromax study published in the journal, Pharmacotheraphy. It's 14 pages, clearly outlined, and contains strong supporting evidence for using Zithromax: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/427440 And below, is a copy of an abstract from April 2002. I'm still wading through my files for other abstracts but this should help for now. Good luck tomorrow. Kim Mom of (23 with asthma and cf) and (20 asthma no cf) ----------------------------------------- Antimicrob Agents Chemother 2002 Apr;46(4):1105-7 Synergistic activities of macrolide antibiotics against Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Burkholderia cepacia, Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, and Alcaligenes xylosoxidans isolated from patients with cystic fibrosis. Saiman L, Chen Y, PS, Knirsch C. Department of Pediatrics, Columbia University, New York, New York 10032, USA. LS5@... Azithromycin and clarithromycin were paired with other antibiotics to test synergistic activity against 300 multidrug-resistant pathogens isolated from cystic fibrosis (CF) patients. Clarithromycin- tobramycin was most active against Pseudomonas aeruginosa and inhibited 58% of strains. Azithromycin-trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole, azithromycin-ceftazidime, and azithromycin-doxycycline or azithromycin-trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole inhibited 40, 20, and 22% of Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, Burkholderia cepacia complex, and Achromobacter (Alcaligenes) xylosoxidans strains, respectively. PMID: 11897598 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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