Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 , they should be identical, with the niacinamide at a fraction of the price. I understand that pure niacinamide does not cause flushing BUT can when the preparation is mixed with niacin impurities. Also, niacin is not an anti-inflammatory agent, so your dose of niacinamide is effectively reduced when the preparation is not pure. So it's worth looking for a pure product. Try switching to another brand you trust, and you ought to be able to take the full 800 mg at one time; could be a good test of purity for you. (I understand Nature's Way has a good reputation for carefully prepared products, but who knows?) I am still awaiting those studies promised me two weeks ago by Nicomide. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in proportions similar to > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I break the niacinamide into > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I took 800mg altogether (my > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight burning, which I still feel a > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not turn red at all, > however). > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing an improvement in > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've spent most of this past > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow flurries). My nose turned > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My overall pinkness level seems > to be about the same, however. > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. At morning & night, I do > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but I am tired of the > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so I may as well use them). > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my face. I have no bumps > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep those at bay, & I've found > that both are effective products for this), so redness is my real problem > now. > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the niacinamide thing, as a > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then what's the verdict thus far? > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but I'm impatient > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will get an RX for the > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is niacinamide & nicomide really > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's easier to take one pill vs. > many. > > - in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 , they should be identical, with the niacinamide at a fraction of the price. I understand that pure niacinamide does not cause flushing BUT can when the preparation is mixed with niacin impurities. Also, niacin is not an anti-inflammatory agent, so your dose of niacinamide is effectively reduced when the preparation is not pure. So it's worth looking for a pure product. Try switching to another brand you trust, and you ought to be able to take the full 800 mg at one time; could be a good test of purity for you. (I understand Nature's Way has a good reputation for carefully prepared products, but who knows?) I am still awaiting those studies promised me two weeks ago by Nicomide. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in proportions similar to > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I break the niacinamide into > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I took 800mg altogether (my > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight burning, which I still feel a > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not turn red at all, > however). > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing an improvement in > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've spent most of this past > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow flurries). My nose turned > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My overall pinkness level seems > to be about the same, however. > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. At morning & night, I do > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but I am tired of the > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so I may as well use them). > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my face. I have no bumps > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep those at bay, & I've found > that both are effective products for this), so redness is my real problem > now. > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the niacinamide thing, as a > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then what's the verdict thus far? > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but I'm impatient > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will get an RX for the > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is niacinamide & nicomide really > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's easier to take one pill vs. > many. > > - in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 , they should be identical, with the niacinamide at a fraction of the price. I understand that pure niacinamide does not cause flushing BUT can when the preparation is mixed with niacin impurities. Also, niacin is not an anti-inflammatory agent, so your dose of niacinamide is effectively reduced when the preparation is not pure. So it's worth looking for a pure product. Try switching to another brand you trust, and you ought to be able to take the full 800 mg at one time; could be a good test of purity for you. (I understand Nature's Way has a good reputation for carefully prepared products, but who knows?) I am still awaiting those studies promised me two weeks ago by Nicomide. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in proportions similar to > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I break the niacinamide into > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I took 800mg altogether (my > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight burning, which I still feel a > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not turn red at all, > however). > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing an improvement in > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've spent most of this past > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow flurries). My nose turned > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My overall pinkness level seems > to be about the same, however. > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. At morning & night, I do > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but I am tired of the > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so I may as well use them). > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my face. I have no bumps > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep those at bay, & I've found > that both are effective products for this), so redness is my real problem > now. > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the niacinamide thing, as a > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then what's the verdict thus far? > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but I'm impatient > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will get an RX for the > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is niacinamide & nicomide really > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's easier to take one pill vs. > many. > > - in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Hi! I just bought a bottle of the Vitamin Shoppe's " Niacinamide 500 mg " and experienced severe flushing from it. On the back of the bottle in the ingredients section it lists " niacin (as niacinamide) " . I'm confused, am I taking the right thing? There is no warning on the bottle about flushing, the only thing it says is " Niacinamide supports cholesterol levels already within the normal range " . Pam --- Third Coast Herbals @...> wrote: > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in > proportions similar to > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, > 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I > break the niacinamide into > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I > took 800mg altogether (my > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight > burning, which I still feel a > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not > turn red at all, > however). > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing > an improvement in > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've > spent most of this past > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow > flurries). My nose turned > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My > overall pinkness level seems > to be about the same, however. > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg > flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. > At morning & night, I do > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but > I am tired of the > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so > I may as well use them). > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my > face. I have no bumps > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep > those at bay, & I've found > that both are effective products for this), so > redness is my real problem > now. > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the > niacinamide thing, as a > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then > what's the verdict thus far? > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but > I'm impatient > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will > get an RX for the > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is > niacinamide & nicomide really > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's > easier to take one pill vs. > many. > > - in Michigan > > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Hi! I just bought a bottle of the Vitamin Shoppe's " Niacinamide 500 mg " and experienced severe flushing from it. On the back of the bottle in the ingredients section it lists " niacin (as niacinamide) " . I'm confused, am I taking the right thing? There is no warning on the bottle about flushing, the only thing it says is " Niacinamide supports cholesterol levels already within the normal range " . Pam --- Third Coast Herbals @...> wrote: > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in > proportions similar to > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, > 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I > break the niacinamide into > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I > took 800mg altogether (my > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight > burning, which I still feel a > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not > turn red at all, > however). > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing > an improvement in > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've > spent most of this past > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow > flurries). My nose turned > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My > overall pinkness level seems > to be about the same, however. > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg > flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. > At morning & night, I do > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but > I am tired of the > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so > I may as well use them). > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my > face. I have no bumps > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep > those at bay, & I've found > that both are effective products for this), so > redness is my real problem > now. > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the > niacinamide thing, as a > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then > what's the verdict thus far? > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but > I'm impatient > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will > get an RX for the > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is > niacinamide & nicomide really > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's > easier to take one pill vs. > many. > > - in Michigan > > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Hi! I just bought a bottle of the Vitamin Shoppe's " Niacinamide 500 mg " and experienced severe flushing from it. On the back of the bottle in the ingredients section it lists " niacin (as niacinamide) " . I'm confused, am I taking the right thing? There is no warning on the bottle about flushing, the only thing it says is " Niacinamide supports cholesterol levels already within the normal range " . Pam --- Third Coast Herbals @...> wrote: > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in > proportions similar to > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, > 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I > break the niacinamide into > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I > took 800mg altogether (my > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight > burning, which I still feel a > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not > turn red at all, > however). > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing > an improvement in > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've > spent most of this past > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow > flurries). My nose turned > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My > overall pinkness level seems > to be about the same, however. > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg > flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. > At morning & night, I do > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but > I am tired of the > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so > I may as well use them). > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my > face. I have no bumps > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep > those at bay, & I've found > that both are effective products for this), so > redness is my real problem > now. > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the > niacinamide thing, as a > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then > what's the verdict thus far? > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but > I'm impatient > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will > get an RX for the > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is > niacinamide & nicomide really > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's > easier to take one pill vs. > many. > > - in Michigan > > > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > published book. > > To leave the list send an email to > rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Pam, the label is very confusing, presumably deliberately so. You have good reason to be angry at the company who manufactured that vitamin. First, " supporting cholesterol levels already in the normal range " -- in other words, it doesn't do a thing for cholesterol levels. (Why would normal levels need to be " supported? " A bottle of ketchup does as much!) But, for those who see the key words cholesterol and normal and niacin on the bottle, they may reasonably conclude that this is the kind of niacin that at high doses does lower cholesterol. Pure niacin at 500 mg is too low to lower cholesterol, and of course niacinamide at any level does not lower cholesterol. It helps me to remember the metabolism by understanding that both the niacin flush and the cholesterol-lowering activity (and many side effects as well) take place during the stage when niacin is being metabolized by the body into its biologically active form, niacinamide. So, while it is confusing but logical to say " niacinamide (as niacin) " , it makes no sense to say " niacin (as niacinamide). " That would be backwards metabolism! Either the company who labelled their product is very ignorant or they deliberately intended to misleading us -- in either case, I wouldn't want to do business with them ever again. Educate us: is this an independent product that you happened to have purchased at Vitamin Shoppe, or was it their brand name product? I hope you complain big time to the store manager, to get your money back at the very least, and I hope you complain to the company as well. (Though one presumes that a company that so grossly mislabels doesn't care about its customers.) If I had to guess from what the label says, it sounds to me that you just took 500 mg of niacin, pure or mixed with niacinamide. No wonder you flushed! Although flushing has been reported as low as 30 mg of niacin, the usual low threshold is 60 mg, with anything above 100 mg likely to cause flushing in suspectible people. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in > > proportions similar to > > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, > > 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I > > break the niacinamide into > > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I > > took 800mg altogether (my > > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight > > burning, which I still feel a > > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not > > turn red at all, > > however). > > > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing > > an improvement in > > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've > > spent most of this past > > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow > > flurries). My nose turned > > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My > > overall pinkness level seems > > to be about the same, however. > > > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg > > flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. > > At morning & night, I do > > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but > > I am tired of the > > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so > > I may as well use them). > > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my > > face. I have no bumps > > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep > > those at bay, & I've found > > that both are effective products for this), so > > redness is my real problem > > now. > > > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the > > niacinamide thing, as a > > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then > > what's the verdict thus far? > > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but > > I'm impatient > > > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will > > get an RX for the > > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is > > niacinamide & nicomide really > > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's > > easier to take one pill vs. > > many. > > > > - in Michigan > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please read the list highlights before posting to > > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > > published book. > > > > To leave the list send an email to > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Pam, the label is very confusing, presumably deliberately so. You have good reason to be angry at the company who manufactured that vitamin. First, " supporting cholesterol levels already in the normal range " -- in other words, it doesn't do a thing for cholesterol levels. (Why would normal levels need to be " supported? " A bottle of ketchup does as much!) But, for those who see the key words cholesterol and normal and niacin on the bottle, they may reasonably conclude that this is the kind of niacin that at high doses does lower cholesterol. Pure niacin at 500 mg is too low to lower cholesterol, and of course niacinamide at any level does not lower cholesterol. It helps me to remember the metabolism by understanding that both the niacin flush and the cholesterol-lowering activity (and many side effects as well) take place during the stage when niacin is being metabolized by the body into its biologically active form, niacinamide. So, while it is confusing but logical to say " niacinamide (as niacin) " , it makes no sense to say " niacin (as niacinamide). " That would be backwards metabolism! Either the company who labelled their product is very ignorant or they deliberately intended to misleading us -- in either case, I wouldn't want to do business with them ever again. Educate us: is this an independent product that you happened to have purchased at Vitamin Shoppe, or was it their brand name product? I hope you complain big time to the store manager, to get your money back at the very least, and I hope you complain to the company as well. (Though one presumes that a company that so grossly mislabels doesn't care about its customers.) If I had to guess from what the label says, it sounds to me that you just took 500 mg of niacin, pure or mixed with niacinamide. No wonder you flushed! Although flushing has been reported as low as 30 mg of niacin, the usual low threshold is 60 mg, with anything above 100 mg likely to cause flushing in suspectible people. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in > > proportions similar to > > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, > > 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I > > break the niacinamide into > > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I > > took 800mg altogether (my > > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight > > burning, which I still feel a > > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not > > turn red at all, > > however). > > > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing > > an improvement in > > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've > > spent most of this past > > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow > > flurries). My nose turned > > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My > > overall pinkness level seems > > to be about the same, however. > > > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg > > flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. > > At morning & night, I do > > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but > > I am tired of the > > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so > > I may as well use them). > > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my > > face. I have no bumps > > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep > > those at bay, & I've found > > that both are effective products for this), so > > redness is my real problem > > now. > > > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the > > niacinamide thing, as a > > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then > > what's the verdict thus far? > > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but > > I'm impatient > > > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will > > get an RX for the > > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is > > niacinamide & nicomide really > > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's > > easier to take one pill vs. > > many. > > > > - in Michigan > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please read the list highlights before posting to > > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > > published book. > > > > To leave the list send an email to > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Pam, the label is very confusing, presumably deliberately so. You have good reason to be angry at the company who manufactured that vitamin. First, " supporting cholesterol levels already in the normal range " -- in other words, it doesn't do a thing for cholesterol levels. (Why would normal levels need to be " supported? " A bottle of ketchup does as much!) But, for those who see the key words cholesterol and normal and niacin on the bottle, they may reasonably conclude that this is the kind of niacin that at high doses does lower cholesterol. Pure niacin at 500 mg is too low to lower cholesterol, and of course niacinamide at any level does not lower cholesterol. It helps me to remember the metabolism by understanding that both the niacin flush and the cholesterol-lowering activity (and many side effects as well) take place during the stage when niacin is being metabolized by the body into its biologically active form, niacinamide. So, while it is confusing but logical to say " niacinamide (as niacin) " , it makes no sense to say " niacin (as niacinamide). " That would be backwards metabolism! Either the company who labelled their product is very ignorant or they deliberately intended to misleading us -- in either case, I wouldn't want to do business with them ever again. Educate us: is this an independent product that you happened to have purchased at Vitamin Shoppe, or was it their brand name product? I hope you complain big time to the store manager, to get your money back at the very least, and I hope you complain to the company as well. (Though one presumes that a company that so grossly mislabels doesn't care about its customers.) If I had to guess from what the label says, it sounds to me that you just took 500 mg of niacin, pure or mixed with niacinamide. No wonder you flushed! Although flushing has been reported as low as 30 mg of niacin, the usual low threshold is 60 mg, with anything above 100 mg likely to cause flushing in suspectible people. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > I've been taking niacinamide, zinc & folic acid in > > proportions similar to > > what's in 1 nicomide tablet (800mg niacinamide, > > 400mcg folic acid, 30mg > > zinc). I've been taking this since May 8, 02. I > > break the niacinamide into > > 2, 400 mg dosages, since I felt a " flush " when I > > took 800mg altogether (my > > eyes, nose, cheeks & tongue felt tingly/slight > > burning, which I still feel a > > bit w/ 400 mg, but nowhere near as bad. I did not > > turn red at all, > > however). > > > > I am writing just to report that I think I'm seeing > > an improvement in > > flushing, at least when I am out in the cold (I've > > spent most of this past > > weekend outside in the wind/cold with some snow > > flurries). My nose turned > > pink, but not the Bozo red it usually does. My > > overall pinkness level seems > > to be about the same, however. > > > > Other meds/supplements I'm doing: (1) 1000mg > > flaxseed oil gelcap/day, (1) > > 500 mg evening primrose/day, (1) 200IU vit E/day. > > At morning & night, I do > > the cea Ltd routine (was doing PE A/R creme, but > > I am tired of the > > heaviness of that product, plus I have the disks so > > I may as well use them). > > I also apply 1 drop of vita-oil after washing my > > face. I have no bumps > > whatsoever (the rosacea ltd & the PE creme keep > > those at bay, & I've found > > that both are effective products for this), so > > redness is my real problem > > now. > > > > I'm curious to hear if anyone else is trying the > > niacinamide thing, as a > > substitute for the nicomide. If you are, then > > what's the verdict thus far? > > I know that one should give it at least 6 weeks, but > > I'm impatient > > > > If I think there's enough improvement, then I will > > get an RX for the > > nicomide, as its hopefully safer long term (is > > niacinamide & nicomide really > > the same thing, or just very similar?), and it's > > easier to take one pill vs. > > many. > > > > - in Michigan > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please read the list highlights before posting to > > the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). > > Your post will be delayed if you don't give a > > meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must > > change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently > > published book. > > > > To leave the list send an email to > > rosacea-support-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Actually, I was meaning to ask, other than cost, is there an upside to taking all the pills separately? Prescription meds are really inexpensive for me too. Is that the reason everyone is taking their own Niacinimide? Or is there another advantage besides cost? Re: niacinamide > Dr. Marjorie, > > Considering I have health insurance, I'd pay $15 for a month's supply > of Nicomide which is about $5 more than if I bought all the vitamins > together. I think I'd rather know I'm getting true non-flushing B3. > Plus, I could have my doctor monitor me. > > If you don't have insurance (and I've been there, unfortunately), > then the vitamin store where you can get the highest quality pills > you can afford might be the best route. > > BTW, is niacinamide working well for you? > > Take care, > Matija > > > > > > My bottle of niacinamide(Nature's Bounty) also lists " Niacin (as > > > Niacinamide) " 500mg as the main ingredient. I have not yet > > experienced > > > any flushing from taking this. Should I be looking for a > different > > > brand of Niacinamide? > > > > I don't know, nmoore. That may be the conventional way all > companies > > list niacinamide, even though it's technically incorrect. > > > > I just took a quick look at iHerb, and both Nature's Way and > Twinlabs > > list their niacinamide as " Niacin (as niacinamide). " Only Source > > Naturals lists it clearly as niacinamide, and Jarrow lists their > > niacin and niacinamide separately. Nicomide, the prescription drug, > > lists its niacinamide as such too. > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Assuming the best of intentions, > > perhaps these companies are using the term niacin as a literal > > synonym for Vitamin B3, and aren't looking too deeply (or are > > unaware) of the relationship between niacin and niacinamide. Or > > perhaps this is related to the impurities I read about as the most > > likely cause of flushing with niacinamide. > > > > Still, I think a label that talks about supporting a normal level > of > > cholesterol is deliberately misleading, esp if the product is > suppose > > to be niacinamide. > > > > Marjorie > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Actually, I was meaning to ask, other than cost, is there an upside to taking all the pills separately? Prescription meds are really inexpensive for me too. Is that the reason everyone is taking their own Niacinimide? Or is there another advantage besides cost? Re: niacinamide > Dr. Marjorie, > > Considering I have health insurance, I'd pay $15 for a month's supply > of Nicomide which is about $5 more than if I bought all the vitamins > together. I think I'd rather know I'm getting true non-flushing B3. > Plus, I could have my doctor monitor me. > > If you don't have insurance (and I've been there, unfortunately), > then the vitamin store where you can get the highest quality pills > you can afford might be the best route. > > BTW, is niacinamide working well for you? > > Take care, > Matija > > > > > > My bottle of niacinamide(Nature's Bounty) also lists " Niacin (as > > > Niacinamide) " 500mg as the main ingredient. I have not yet > > experienced > > > any flushing from taking this. Should I be looking for a > different > > > brand of Niacinamide? > > > > I don't know, nmoore. That may be the conventional way all > companies > > list niacinamide, even though it's technically incorrect. > > > > I just took a quick look at iHerb, and both Nature's Way and > Twinlabs > > list their niacinamide as " Niacin (as niacinamide). " Only Source > > Naturals lists it clearly as niacinamide, and Jarrow lists their > > niacin and niacinamide separately. Nicomide, the prescription drug, > > lists its niacinamide as such too. > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Assuming the best of intentions, > > perhaps these companies are using the term niacin as a literal > > synonym for Vitamin B3, and aren't looking too deeply (or are > > unaware) of the relationship between niacin and niacinamide. Or > > perhaps this is related to the impurities I read about as the most > > likely cause of flushing with niacinamide. > > > > Still, I think a label that talks about supporting a normal level > of > > cholesterol is deliberately misleading, esp if the product is > suppose > > to be niacinamide. > > > > Marjorie > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Actually, I was meaning to ask, other than cost, is there an upside to taking all the pills separately? Prescription meds are really inexpensive for me too. Is that the reason everyone is taking their own Niacinimide? Or is there another advantage besides cost? Re: niacinamide > Dr. Marjorie, > > Considering I have health insurance, I'd pay $15 for a month's supply > of Nicomide which is about $5 more than if I bought all the vitamins > together. I think I'd rather know I'm getting true non-flushing B3. > Plus, I could have my doctor monitor me. > > If you don't have insurance (and I've been there, unfortunately), > then the vitamin store where you can get the highest quality pills > you can afford might be the best route. > > BTW, is niacinamide working well for you? > > Take care, > Matija > > > > > > My bottle of niacinamide(Nature's Bounty) also lists " Niacin (as > > > Niacinamide) " 500mg as the main ingredient. I have not yet > > experienced > > > any flushing from taking this. Should I be looking for a > different > > > brand of Niacinamide? > > > > I don't know, nmoore. That may be the conventional way all > companies > > list niacinamide, even though it's technically incorrect. > > > > I just took a quick look at iHerb, and both Nature's Way and > Twinlabs > > list their niacinamide as " Niacin (as niacinamide). " Only Source > > Naturals lists it clearly as niacinamide, and Jarrow lists their > > niacin and niacinamide separately. Nicomide, the prescription drug, > > lists its niacinamide as such too. > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Assuming the best of intentions, > > perhaps these companies are using the term niacin as a literal > > synonym for Vitamin B3, and aren't looking too deeply (or are > > unaware) of the relationship between niacin and niacinamide. Or > > perhaps this is related to the impurities I read about as the most > > likely cause of flushing with niacinamide. > > > > Still, I think a label that talks about supporting a normal level > of > > cholesterol is deliberately misleading, esp if the product is > suppose > > to be niacinamide. > > > > Marjorie > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > -- > Please read the list highlights before posting to the whole group (http://rosacea.ii.net/toc.html). Your post will be delayed if you don't give a meaningful subject or trim your reply text. You must change the subject when replying to a digest ! > > See http://www.drnase.com for info on his recently published book. > > To leave the list send an email to rosacea-support-unsubscribe > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 > My bottle of niacinamide(Nature's Bounty) also lists " Niacin (as > Niacinamide) " 500mg as the main ingredient. I have not yet experienced > any flushing from taking this. Should I be looking for a different > brand of Niacinamide? I don't know, nmoore. That may be the conventional way all companies list niacinamide, even though it's technically incorrect. I just took a quick look at iHerb, and both Nature's Way and Twinlabs list their niacinamide as " Niacin (as niacinamide). " Only Source Naturals lists it clearly as niacinamide, and Jarrow lists their niacin and niacinamide separately. Nicomide, the prescription drug, lists its niacinamide as such too. Thanks for pointing this out. Assuming the best of intentions, perhaps these companies are using the term niacin as a literal synonym for Vitamin B3, and aren't looking too deeply (or are unaware) of the relationship between niacin and niacinamide. Or perhaps this is related to the impurities I read about as the most likely cause of flushing with niacinamide. Still, I think a label that talks about supporting a normal level of cholesterol is deliberately misleading, esp if the product is suppose to be niacinamide. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 > BTW, is niacinamide working well for you? I never started it, Matija. I was going to, but after talking to the dork at Nicomide, I thought I'd wait to read the articles he offered to send me. I guess he was the anti-salesman. Also, my skin has been doing well since I started using the moisturizer/Total Turnaround every other night, instead of every night. Go figure. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > My bottle of niacinamide(Nature's Bounty) also lists " Niacin (as > > > Niacinamide) " 500mg as the main ingredient. I have not yet > > experienced > > > any flushing from taking this. Should I be looking for a > different > > > brand of Niacinamide? > > > > I don't know, nmoore. That may be the conventional way all > companies > > list niacinamide, even though it's technically incorrect. > > > > I just took a quick look at iHerb, and both Nature's Way and > Twinlabs > > list their niacinamide as " Niacin (as niacinamide). " Only Source > > Naturals lists it clearly as niacinamide, and Jarrow lists their > > niacin and niacinamide separately. Nicomide, the prescription drug, > > lists its niacinamide as such too. > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Assuming the best of intentions, > > perhaps these companies are using the term niacin as a literal > > synonym for Vitamin B3, and aren't looking too deeply (or are > > unaware) of the relationship between niacin and niacinamide. Or > > perhaps this is related to the impurities I read about as the most > > likely cause of flushing with niacinamide. > > > > Still, I think a label that talks about supporting a normal level > of > > cholesterol is deliberately misleading, esp if the product is > suppose > > to be niacinamide. > > > > Marjorie > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 > BTW, is niacinamide working well for you? I never started it, Matija. I was going to, but after talking to the dork at Nicomide, I thought I'd wait to read the articles he offered to send me. I guess he was the anti-salesman. Also, my skin has been doing well since I started using the moisturizer/Total Turnaround every other night, instead of every night. Go figure. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > My bottle of niacinamide(Nature's Bounty) also lists " Niacin (as > > > Niacinamide) " 500mg as the main ingredient. I have not yet > > experienced > > > any flushing from taking this. Should I be looking for a > different > > > brand of Niacinamide? > > > > I don't know, nmoore. That may be the conventional way all > companies > > list niacinamide, even though it's technically incorrect. > > > > I just took a quick look at iHerb, and both Nature's Way and > Twinlabs > > list their niacinamide as " Niacin (as niacinamide). " Only Source > > Naturals lists it clearly as niacinamide, and Jarrow lists their > > niacin and niacinamide separately. Nicomide, the prescription drug, > > lists its niacinamide as such too. > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Assuming the best of intentions, > > perhaps these companies are using the term niacin as a literal > > synonym for Vitamin B3, and aren't looking too deeply (or are > > unaware) of the relationship between niacin and niacinamide. Or > > perhaps this is related to the impurities I read about as the most > > likely cause of flushing with niacinamide. > > > > Still, I think a label that talks about supporting a normal level > of > > cholesterol is deliberately misleading, esp if the product is > suppose > > to be niacinamide. > > > > Marjorie > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 > BTW, is niacinamide working well for you? I never started it, Matija. I was going to, but after talking to the dork at Nicomide, I thought I'd wait to read the articles he offered to send me. I guess he was the anti-salesman. Also, my skin has been doing well since I started using the moisturizer/Total Turnaround every other night, instead of every night. Go figure. Marjorie Marjorie Lazoff, MD > > > > My bottle of niacinamide(Nature's Bounty) also lists " Niacin (as > > > Niacinamide) " 500mg as the main ingredient. I have not yet > > experienced > > > any flushing from taking this. Should I be looking for a > different > > > brand of Niacinamide? > > > > I don't know, nmoore. That may be the conventional way all > companies > > list niacinamide, even though it's technically incorrect. > > > > I just took a quick look at iHerb, and both Nature's Way and > Twinlabs > > list their niacinamide as " Niacin (as niacinamide). " Only Source > > Naturals lists it clearly as niacinamide, and Jarrow lists their > > niacin and niacinamide separately. Nicomide, the prescription drug, > > lists its niacinamide as such too. > > > > Thanks for pointing this out. Assuming the best of intentions, > > perhaps these companies are using the term niacin as a literal > > synonym for Vitamin B3, and aren't looking too deeply (or are > > unaware) of the relationship between niacin and niacinamide. Or > > perhaps this is related to the impurities I read about as the most > > likely cause of flushing with niacinamide. > > > > Still, I think a label that talks about supporting a normal level > of > > cholesterol is deliberately misleading, esp if the product is > suppose > > to be niacinamide. > > > > Marjorie > > > > Marjorie Lazoff, MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 > Actually, I was meaning to ask, other than cost, is there an upside to > taking all the pills separately? > Prescription meds are really inexpensive for me too. Is that the reason > everyone is taking their own Niacinimide? Or is there another advantage > besides cost? Hi Adam- The reason I'm taking the " do-it-myself " niacinamide routine rather than the Rx Nicomide is mostly financial, with a bit of convenience thrown in. I have Rx coverage, & I believe that I could get the Nicomide for free, but I would have to pay for an office visit (I never hit my annual deductible, so Drs visits always cost me). So, figuring $50-$60 to walk in the door & then have to explain to the derm why he should give me this rx, I decided to do it myself. If I do see improvement at the end of 6-8 weeks, I will reconsider this & get the rx (I HATE taking all of these little pills - I'm taking 11 individual tablets to create my dose of " nicomide " , and they are bitter & I find a bit hard to swallow!) But obviously, if you have a derm visit planned, I'd see about getting the script. It's not like you actually have to get it filled if you change your mind later. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 > Actually, I was meaning to ask, other than cost, is there an upside to > taking all the pills separately? > Prescription meds are really inexpensive for me too. Is that the reason > everyone is taking their own Niacinimide? Or is there another advantage > besides cost? Hi Adam- The reason I'm taking the " do-it-myself " niacinamide routine rather than the Rx Nicomide is mostly financial, with a bit of convenience thrown in. I have Rx coverage, & I believe that I could get the Nicomide for free, but I would have to pay for an office visit (I never hit my annual deductible, so Drs visits always cost me). So, figuring $50-$60 to walk in the door & then have to explain to the derm why he should give me this rx, I decided to do it myself. If I do see improvement at the end of 6-8 weeks, I will reconsider this & get the rx (I HATE taking all of these little pills - I'm taking 11 individual tablets to create my dose of " nicomide " , and they are bitter & I find a bit hard to swallow!) But obviously, if you have a derm visit planned, I'd see about getting the script. It's not like you actually have to get it filled if you change your mind later. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 " Niacin (as Niacinamide) " is I think the " offically correct " expression because you will find recommended daily intakes for niacin, but possibly not for niacinamide. Any compound or derivative of the " official " vitamin (or drug) has to be listed as its equivalent to that drug. I'm not saying this is RIGHT, but it's how it is - it's probably a bit behind the times, but that's regulatory bodies for you! The cholesterol bit is, I think, because niacinamide (nicotinamide) does not affect cholesterol levels, although niacin (nicotinic acid) does - at sufficient doses. So the warning on niacinamide containers is to compensate for the " misleading " statement about niacin - so people don't think they are taking niacin when they are really taking niacinamide. Who says two wrongs don't make a right!! Sorry if this is complicated but I think it is correct. (I'm sure I'll be told if it isn't ;-} ) Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 " Niacin (as Niacinamide) " is I think the " offically correct " expression because you will find recommended daily intakes for niacin, but possibly not for niacinamide. Any compound or derivative of the " official " vitamin (or drug) has to be listed as its equivalent to that drug. I'm not saying this is RIGHT, but it's how it is - it's probably a bit behind the times, but that's regulatory bodies for you! The cholesterol bit is, I think, because niacinamide (nicotinamide) does not affect cholesterol levels, although niacin (nicotinic acid) does - at sufficient doses. So the warning on niacinamide containers is to compensate for the " misleading " statement about niacin - so people don't think they are taking niacin when they are really taking niacinamide. Who says two wrongs don't make a right!! Sorry if this is complicated but I think it is correct. (I'm sure I'll be told if it isn't ;-} ) Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 " Niacin (as Niacinamide) " is I think the " offically correct " expression because you will find recommended daily intakes for niacin, but possibly not for niacinamide. Any compound or derivative of the " official " vitamin (or drug) has to be listed as its equivalent to that drug. I'm not saying this is RIGHT, but it's how it is - it's probably a bit behind the times, but that's regulatory bodies for you! The cholesterol bit is, I think, because niacinamide (nicotinamide) does not affect cholesterol levels, although niacin (nicotinic acid) does - at sufficient doses. So the warning on niacinamide containers is to compensate for the " misleading " statement about niacin - so people don't think they are taking niacin when they are really taking niacinamide. Who says two wrongs don't make a right!! Sorry if this is complicated but I think it is correct. (I'm sure I'll be told if it isn't ;-} ) Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 I think I may be able to bring all this niacinamide debate to a swift conclusion. I've been taking Nicomide once daily and applying topical niacinamide twice daily for just over 2 weeks now and am enjoying the worst flareup I've had for a year. Early yet I know, and I intend to persevere, but it doesn't look good for either product (at least for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 I think I may be able to bring all this niacinamide debate to a swift conclusion. I've been taking Nicomide once daily and applying topical niacinamide twice daily for just over 2 weeks now and am enjoying the worst flareup I've had for a year. Early yet I know, and I intend to persevere, but it doesn't look good for either product (at least for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 You may be right, Barry, Niacin (as Niacinamide) may be the fourteenth century convention to show vitamin equivalence that was never updated. But a company that wants to follow the convention and be accurate at the same time can do so easily: Vitamin B3 (as Niacinamide), Vitamin B3 (as Niacin), and Vitamin B3 (as Niacinamide/Niacin). I still think the " supporting normal levels of cholesterol " is a deliberately misleading statement. Maybe, as you say, it's a veiled attempt to warn, but if so then it's a pretty opaque veil. Why not use a straightforward warning, such as: " niacinamide at any dose has not been shown to lower cholesterol levels. " But that risks our actually understanding what we're buying and putting into our bodies. Marjorie > " Niacin (as Niacinamide) " is I think the " offically correct " expression > because you will find recommended daily intakes for niacin, but possibly not > for niacinamide. Any compound or derivative of the " official " vitamin (or > drug) has to be listed as its equivalent to that drug. I'm not saying this > is RIGHT, but it's how it is - it's probably a bit behind the times, but > that's regulatory bodies for you! > > The cholesterol bit is, I think, because niacinamide (nicotinamide) does not > affect cholesterol levels, although niacin (nicotinic acid) does - at > sufficient doses. So the warning on niacinamide containers is to compensate > for the " misleading " statement about niacin - so people don't think they are > taking niacin when they are really taking niacinamide. Who says two wrongs > don't make a right!! > > Sorry if this is complicated but I think it is correct. (I'm sure I'll be > told if it isn't ;-} ) > > > Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 You may be right, Barry, Niacin (as Niacinamide) may be the fourteenth century convention to show vitamin equivalence that was never updated. But a company that wants to follow the convention and be accurate at the same time can do so easily: Vitamin B3 (as Niacinamide), Vitamin B3 (as Niacin), and Vitamin B3 (as Niacinamide/Niacin). I still think the " supporting normal levels of cholesterol " is a deliberately misleading statement. Maybe, as you say, it's a veiled attempt to warn, but if so then it's a pretty opaque veil. Why not use a straightforward warning, such as: " niacinamide at any dose has not been shown to lower cholesterol levels. " But that risks our actually understanding what we're buying and putting into our bodies. Marjorie > " Niacin (as Niacinamide) " is I think the " offically correct " expression > because you will find recommended daily intakes for niacin, but possibly not > for niacinamide. Any compound or derivative of the " official " vitamin (or > drug) has to be listed as its equivalent to that drug. I'm not saying this > is RIGHT, but it's how it is - it's probably a bit behind the times, but > that's regulatory bodies for you! > > The cholesterol bit is, I think, because niacinamide (nicotinamide) does not > affect cholesterol levels, although niacin (nicotinic acid) does - at > sufficient doses. So the warning on niacinamide containers is to compensate > for the " misleading " statement about niacin - so people don't think they are > taking niacin when they are really taking niacinamide. Who says two wrongs > don't make a right!! > > Sorry if this is complicated but I think it is correct. (I'm sure I'll be > told if it isn't ;-} ) > > > Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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